"Did the Egyptian revolution erupt to take Egyptian women a step backward?"

In a word, yes. Despite the protestations of Secretary of State Clinton and others, these developments are not a "hijacking" of the revolution, but a reflection of the actual values of so many hoped-for "moderates," including James Clapper's "largely secular" Muslim Brotherhood (short for, in many Washington minds, the Largely Secular But Slightly Muslim And We Promise Only In a Good Way Brotherhood).

Why are they surprised in D.C.? Because they have been willfully blind to any suggestion that the increased influence of Islamic law could possibly end badly. In this case, the Muslim Brotherhood has already stated its opposition to women and Copts as president of Egypt. We will see a trickle-down effect of that precedent as the powers-that-be who intend to impose Sharia fill in the blanks regarding what else the women and kuffar can't have, as they see fit: for the same reasons they can't be president, why bother with letting them be governor? Mayor? And so on into local councils, businesses, and daily human interaction.

"Women's rights group condemns recent governor appointments," by Safaa Abdoun for Daily News Egypt, April 18 (thanks to Twostellas):

CAIRO: The Egyptian Center for Women’s Rights (ECWR) condemned the recent reshuffling and appointment of new governors in Egypt that excluded women, describing it as “disappointing and contradictory to the principles of citizenship, justice and equality.”
In a press statement, ECWR said that the recent appointments contradict the principles of the January 25 Revolution; the revolution where women participated effectively in all its phases and stood side by side with their male counterparts.
“The Egyptian Center for Women's Rights is worried that this exclusion may be intentional with the pretext that now is not the convenient time to talk about women’s rights,” the statement read.
The ECWR called on the Supreme Council of Armed Forces and Prime Minister Essam Sharaf’s Cabinet to emphasize the principle of citizenship as “women should be represented equally in all phases of drawing Egypt's future because they play an effective role in society.”
The center also called on them to bear in mind women's fair representation in all leading positions, as well as “take clear action towards women's participation” and towards ensuring women's rights in laws in general and in public positions in particular.
Last week, Sharaf sacked twenty governors including those of Cairo, Giza, Alexandria, Qena, Suez, Menufiya, Assiut and Sharqeya who were removed in response to the demands of opposition groups and political activists, who described them as being “corrupt” and “illegitimate.”
Their newly-appointed replacements were sworn in on Saturday before the head of the ruling SCAF Mohamed Hussein Tantawy.
Political analyst Emad Gad from Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies said that the new governors appointed by the current cabinet and army council are the latest in a series of decisions which continue to sideline sectors of society in the post revolution period, despite the fact that everyone was equally represented during the revolution.
Gad cited the National Dialogue as an example of excluding certain segments of society.
Gad stressed that “without equality we won’t have true democracy” and so all groups have to come together and join forces as they did in the revolution in order to ensure equality during this developmental process since it’s the essence of a free country.
The ECWR compared the exclusive appointment of male governors in Egypt to the case in Tunisia, whose popular revolution had inspired the Egyptian Revolution saying, “When will we follow Tunisia in their progressive vision and their future plan which is based on the principle of citizenship?”

Next question: how long will Tunisia follow its "progressive vision?"

The ECWR explained in its statement that unlike Egypt, Tunsia has appreciated the role women played in the revolution, thus the High Commission issued a decree stipulating that women should constitute half of the members of the National Constituent Assembly in order to achieve the objectives of the revolution, and to continue the political reform and democratic transition.
“Is the Egyptian woman, with her history, not like the Tunisian woman?” the statement asked.
“Is she to be excluded from being appointed as governor and excluded, as she was earlier, from several committees which had been formed during and after the revolution?

The silence on the recent upheaval over the appointment of a Christian governor is noteworthy. They're clearly not touching that, even though it stems from the same source of discrimination.

“Did the Egyptian revolution erupt to take Egyptian women a step backward?”
Many women’s rights activists are concerned that the achievements of women’s rights during the last 30 years may be drowned out because they were associated with former first lady Suzanne Mubarak.
“There is this association between women’s issues and the ousted regime due to the presentation of the former first lady as the advocate for women’s rights, however many activists and members of civil society have been long pushing for rights that were gained during the former regime and many of them were milestones, so let’s not eliminate it all because of this association,” head of ECWR, Nehad Abul Komsan, said at a conference earlier this month.
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Islam's treatment of Muslim women is not a pretty sight...here is a brief presentation...WARNING...do not watch if you cannot watch violence..this film contains graphic violent details....

Islams violent oppression of women....

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/

"Did the Egyptian revolution erupt to take Egyptian women a step backward?"
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Yeah—pretty much. Of course, some few Egyptian women and even a few Egyptian men will be shocked and disturbed by this—but then, some Iranians who just wanted to be rid of the Shah were pretty shocked to find themselves bundled into Chadors right after the "Islamic Revolution", as well.

"Did the Egyptian revolution erupt to take Egyptian women a step backward?"

One small step for men, one giant leap backwards for women. (With apologies to Neil Armstrong)

Let the ECWR make a protest march. The MB can make sure that it is dwarfed in numbers by howling women in the strictest Islamic garb shouting and shaking their fists. Near the end point of the march, the women of the ECWR can run the gauntlet of muslimos with sticks and fists. I hope the BBC and CNN (Anderson Cooper) are there to say WTF. The downside is that it will somehow result in more flotillas of EMPARs headed for Europe. There really are no good solutions in Islam, only bad or worse.

EMPARs (economic migrants posing as refugees)

Hello exsgtbrown.
I watched the video.
Differing in kind and degree, friend and foe are both dehumanized by islam.
Islam has made me into an islamoloathe. Once upon a time I was for goodwill to all. No longer. Its kinda like being robbed of your innocence.

More revolutionary idiocy from the feminist movement.

Way back in the 1960's and '70's, all these "liberated" women of the West were soooooooooooooo charmed by the likes of Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai, even though the former damaged and discarded women as if they were dirty clothes (five wives and dozens of concubines), while the later left a string of unacknowledged and uncared-for bastard children across Europe when he was a budding student Communist.

They've made their beds, now they must lie in them.

By the way, Buraq, I'm not into a zero-sum game between men and women.

This sharia step backward, if one listens to Buraq Hussein's mobile tent Dalia Mogahed, is nothing but mahoundian "gender justice", isn't it?

Islam means "submission". Egyptian women must submit to their husbands. The only way out is to break the cycle. Egyptian women cannot be free until they are free to leave Islam.

“Did the Egyptian revolution erupt to take Egyptian women a step backward?”


90-something per cent clitoridectomy did.

The feminists in Egypt, all atwitter over the "democracy revolution", are now groaning and learning that Mubarak was the real pro-woman leader.

I told you so, suckers.

Islam is a malignancy cum patriarchy without match.

The "youth" of Egypt, the "professionals" and the "feminists" bought the "democratic" illusion of this chaotic power grab and will now suffer the Islamic reality of their misogynistic Muslim leaders.

Beware of violent overthrows of any government.

It encourages the fanatics waiting in the wings who have no qualms about usin terroristic methods.

And the media will not report on this, having bought into the "Muslim democracy myth" that they foisted on the world and championed like spittle-flecked carnival barkers.

It would be embarrassing, now, to have to report the ugly truth.

Especially when it violently and cruelly contradicts their promulgated fantasies.

Never encourage Islam into power should be the damned lesson

We've seen it all before. Once, the Chinese Communists (led by Mao Zedong, no less) were simply "agrarian reformers". And North Korea--The People's Democratic Republic of Korea--is redundantly "democratic" in its official name.

Our policy community needs to dust off John Adams' idea that the US should be a well-wisher to liberty everywhere but champion only of its own. Getting involved with other people's troubles when those other people were determined to go to dictatorial Hell in a handcart did nothing but bankrupt us and make us universally hated.

Actually many arab muslims don't appreciate the hooked tongue rhetoric that comes from the US, you think they actually believe what the US government says?

Many know full well while the US government says its for freedom and democracy, the hand of America and Europe is stuck in the cookie pot supporting various Islamist groups who wish to impose sharia law upon muslims by force.

Whos been backing Saudi Arabia for the past 50 years????? The USA.

Saudi Arabia, Bozkurt, muslim brotherhood, various mujahideen groups all had connections with your government. Saudis, bozkurt, and mujahideen had direction connections with your government.

muslim brotherhood and other groups like hizb ut tahrir were and are sheltered and housed by the west, directly in your metropoliseses of London, paris, aachen, and other places.

It was Colonel Qaddafi who sent agents to London to assasinate the Hizb ut tahrir terrorists, it was Colonel Nasser who hung the Islamist Sayyid Qutb to death, it was Assad of Syria who razed Hama to the ground, and crushed Muslim brotherhood and hizb ut tahrir.

And don't tell us that the muslim brotherhood in syria was magically pulling its weapons out of thick air. They were helped by the bozkurts, who were helped by americans.

However the USA has quite a poor marathon record in going after these same terrorists, and a fantastic marathon record in assisting them..... While the USA aided the terrorist bozkurt, it proclaimed it was fighting for freedom and democracy against communism.......

If the USA stopped supporting terrorists, and rather switched to supporting democractic groups for real, it would find that it wouldn't be quite as hated.

And you should know that the Syrian regime typically does not care about non arab muslims, neither did Colonel Nasser, or Saddam Hussein, which was why they maintained relations with the PRC. they are arab nationalists, they care more about arab christians than non arab muslims.

But the Saudi regime aka America's ally did not establish relations with the PRC until 1990. Saudi arabia "concerns" itself with all muslims and has been backing various unsavory groups throughout the world. There goes your question as to why arab nationlists in Syria don't care if non arab muslims are being mistreated in a faraway land......

And again, America's hand was caught in the cookie pot supporting the opposition in Syria.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/135550/20110418/syria-assad-us-bush-obama-opposition-wikileaks.htm

Guess which organization is the most organized opponents of the current regime in syria, and is currently connection to all its opposition? If you thought muslim brotherhood, you're right.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/04/syria-khaddam-assad-protests-politics.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/133011/20110411/syria-assad-muslim-brotherhood.htm

America's ally, Saad Hariri in Lebanon (who is backed by Saudi Arabia and America), called for the Syrian regime to be replaced by muslim brotherhood

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-mlGH58XjqIYF1I465CGlvB-uSw?docId=CNG.67b2bce99c17bd498c7a49736b665005.5b1

When you claim that the Saudis are our allies, you are simply practicing "taquiyya".

And I know that assisting bozkurt and other terrorists was generally in the CIA's realm, not yours, i'm not taking a jab at you since you served as a diplomat for the USA, i'm just saying that America has sponsered more destructive than democractive organizations in its past

And America typically retains relations with all parties when it goes into something big.

You know this from world war 2 in china. America didn't just maintain contacts with Chiang, who actually found General Stilwell quite annoying and disliked them.

America sent CIA agents after the war to all parties, to Osman Batur, to the dalai lama, and directly to Ma Bufang, even though the Kuomintang and Ma Bufang were generally hostile to the dalai lama and osman batur switched sides numerous times.

And the CIA also directly contacted the remnant troops in burma, it didn't go through Chiang first.

I would not be suprised, given the fact that Mubarak tolerated the muslim brotherhood for decades, despite officially banning them, that America has some sort of contacts and agreements with them in secret. after all, america has had links with the Syrian branch of MB, indirectly via bozkurt which helped the MB in Syria to oppose the Assad Baathist regime.

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