I can't endorse Sila Sahin's action, but I just hope she doesn't get killed. Non-Muslim women in the West who do this sort of thing to break free from the restrictions of their childhood risk alienation from their families, but generally their lives are not in danger. However, given the Islamic cultural toleration of honor killing, which continues to be ignored in the West, the same cannot be said of Muslim women like Sila Sahin.
"'I wanted to be free': Muslim model upsets family by posing nude for Playboy cover," by Deborah Arthurs in the Daily Mail, April 19 (thanks to Twostellas):
Sila Sahin, a 25-year-old Turkish German living in Berlin, had until now been regarded as a glowing example of how a modern Muslim girl should behave in a multicultural society. [...]Posing provocatively on the cover of German Playboy magazine with one breast exposed, Sila Sahin is apparently sending a clear and deliberate message to her conservative Turkish family.
'I did it because I wanted to be free at last,' she said. 'These photographs are a liberation from the restrictions of my childhood.'
Her family have, unsurprisingly, reacted with horror, and her mother has cut off all contact with the actress.
'My mother is still angry. It will be even more difficult with my grandparents, my aunts and my uncles,' she said on the website devoted to her television soap.
I can go along with the reason offered in this case, but Muslims dreaming of leaving the nightmare of Islam behind might consider reciting the Shehada with all the verbs in the negative, while burning a few token pages of the Qur'an as a sign of their escape from Islam.
A purifying ritual!
she needs to be very careful,
I feel worried for her, but she is a trailblazer and has done nothing wrong. God created her beautiful, and he didn't mean for her to hide it under a shroud. The naked female form has been considered beautiful throughout OUR history, and she should flaunt it if she's got it. I don't begrudge her a few minutes, hours or days of freedom. I pray that the muzzies don't make her pay the ultimate price for it. She should be provided protection services by Playboy.
Her family have, unsurprisingly, reacted with horror, and her mother has cut off all contact with the actress.
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Just so as long as they don't cut off her head as well as "all contact"...
Buraq, I LOVE that idea! You're a genius!
Exposing her breast is a symbolic gesture of giving Islam the finger...I like her method much better...But of course this is not going to go over to well with her family...Oh the shame...It will have to be avenged in blood...She's in immediate if not sooner danger...
Normally, I wouldn't by itself endorse her posing nude, but the ummah needs such shock therapy, particularly in Western countries, so that they take their families there less. If more Muslims decided that this is what their daughters were likely to do if they took them to the West, they'd stay in dar-ul-Islam and have them in their hijabs/chadors/jilbabs/niqabs/burqhas and at least, some Muslims would start leaving the West.
So go, Sila!!!
She is a symbol that islam can not let go unchecked. I fear for her safety and maybe even her father's safety who seemingly is more tolerant of her decision.
I pray that the Holy God of Israel will step in and help turn her life and that of the whole family around and towards him.
I expect that Playboy will be the offender here. Since Islam cannot stop ALL Muslimah from revealing what was to be concealed, they will attack Playboy, Playboy photographers, and Playboy management.
Cut a few photographers throats and photography of Muslimahs will soon come to a halt. It's simple and effective.
Islam marches on. Kill the opposition, it's the Muslim thing to do.
If the family members threaten her with death, deport them whether they are citizens are not.
Excuse me, but I have been trying to get a hold of EASTVIEW and INFIDEL PRIDE to try and clear up something from the past.
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A reply to EASTVIEW and INFIDEL PRIDE from a previous thread on a technical issue:
The founders of Signalism, Messieurs Poker Mutt and London Jim, stand by one of the key tenets of Signalism,
The West is analog, Islam is digital.
This has not, as yet, been fully fleshed out nor its profundities fully plumbed. I and LJ are going on gut instinct and proceeding as time and energy permit. Analog vs digital, in one aspect only, is about richness vs barrenness, colour vs black and white. What’s more, analog can exist on its own—digital cannot. Hence, one of the under-appreciated factors in the urgency of establishing the worldwide caliphate. FYI, the Signalist Party has a worldwide membership of two. At three, we become a mass movement.
But here is what I want to say to the both of you: Taqiyya exists in marketing! Make of this what you will and keep up the good work. I always find a nugget or two in your posts. A copy and paste from Wikipedia.
“Speakers marked as digital:
Modern speakers marketed as 'digital' are always analog speakers, in most cases driven by an analog amplifier. The widespread use of the term 'digital' with speakers is a marketing ploy intended to claim better suitability with 'digital' source material (e.g., MP3 recordings), or impute 'higher technology' than some other speaker, and perhaps higher price. If pressed, manufacturers may claim the term means the product is 'ready' for input from digital players; this is true of essentially all speaker systems.” END.
“for input from digital players” means that the receiving device has a digital to analog converter for feeding to the analog transducer, the speaker.
If analog ain’t invited to the next party thrown by the modern and hip, quadruple the amount of booze and drugs to be brought. But that ain’t right…right?
If anyone is interested here are the two posts that prompted the above:
pokermutt replied to comment from Eastview | April 17, 2011 10:17 AM | Reply
Hello and thank you Eastview. You said,
"Hmmm...Gonna have to think about this. In today's world, "analog" is usually taken to denote being old and outdated, while "digital" means modern and hip. I'm sure this isn't what you mean to suggest, Poker Mutt and London Jim. Perhaps you have in mind that Islam is digital in the sense that it is binary, polar, inflexible, while the analog nature of the West lies in its infinite flexibility?"
I replied,
Yes and yes and more. Listening to zeros and ones would first of all be impossible, and then it would be boring. Digital has to be converted into an analog signal and fed to an analog transducer like a speaker and then one hears music to the ears. Anything that is of value to a human is analog.
Then Infidel Pride got in on the action.
Infidel Pride replied to comment from Eastview | April 18, 2011 12:46 AM | Reply
That's what struck me about their quotes. I disagree - analog means a continuous signal while digital means a step function. Humans can hear digital signals as well - it just is a case of converting an electrical signal - be it digital or analog - into audio or video.
As far as humans go, once digital achieves a resolution that exceeds what eyes can sense or ears can hear, it's practically analog. For instance, if in a video clip you have more frames per second than what the human eye can pick up, what you'll have is a continuous, rather than a jarring, video stream. That's why I disagree w/ the 'Islam is digital' statement - if a digital signal has a high enough resolution, it becomes analog, but if Islam becomes more Islamic, it doesn't become non-Islamic.
I bet you there are already threats to playboy in Germany and also the management!!
i will tell you guys a funny story. the other day I took cab in the city(NYC) to go down town. the driver was a muslim guy form the west farican country of Ghana.I struck a conversation with him and asked him if he any family there. he said yes my wife and my three kids. I asked him how often do you go back and he siad every year. I asked why don't you bring your family here and he siad this country is not good for woman and I siad why and he said because they call 911!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no problem with nudity, but this is stupid. Posing nude on playboy need not be the first act to demonstrate one's freedom.
Breasts against Allah!
How ironic! The Greek civilization (father and mother to Western Civ) glorified the nude figure. The Greeks settled western Turkey and, along with the Armenians and Assyrians, were driven out of Turkey by Islam.
Time to restore our civilization and drive the sociopaths beyond the pale!
Miriam, you got me laughing out loud with that one! Thanks!
He (Muhammad) wanted to be free!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/muhammad-and-nudity-mahomet-et-la.html
Well, I can't pass this one up! One can only imagine the conflicted jihadi as his rage rises against the perceived insult to Islam AND the simultaneous rise in his physical anatomy.
I feel sad that Robert cannot endorse this girls actions, because she needs unequivical support from the relativly free people of the west to avoid dropping between two stools. She is either free to exercise her will to mould her own future, or she is not. She deserves support and respect.
She shows a bit more than just her breasts in the photoset.
I truly fear for the girl's life, and if/when she is killed for her "heresy", you can bet that "Allahu ackbar" is screamed multiple times
I wouldn't be surprised if in some news footnote I read of her murder by a crazed family member or some random Mohammedan out to protect his cult.
But what she does could potentially be used as a prototype for the dismantling of Islam, woman, by woman. Show the Muslimah the power of making your own decisions and the beauty of being in control of your own life.
The Mohammedan cult will be unable to survive apostasy of even a quarter of its current adherents and will die gradually. We wont have to fight Islam on the battlefield then.
"I have no problem with nudity, but this is stupid. Posing nude on playboy need not be the first act to demonstrate one's freedom."
You read my mind. I was thinking the same thing.
Of course the kuranimals will just use this to convince themselves more how superior their culture is to Western culture.
I don't believe she wants to be free, she's just an attention whore.
Leaving home and declaring ones self an apostate is how you free yourself from mo's mad cult. And you don't have to humiliate yourself in the process. Either way, both will get you killed might as well take the road with more grace and dignity.
i think this was an act of defiance more than anything else. she basically told all of them to f....off!!!
Geez, no photo?
I agree it was an act of defiance.
I don't disagree with her sentiment, I just disagree with her modus operandi.
There are many ways she could have told them to go screw themselves without having to humiliate herself.
Of course, I'm not a guy and can't appreciate her act of defiance, but I'm positive I would feel the same way about a male who would choose to flash his wang as way of saying the same thing.
Here ya go, tiger:
http://www.magsarchive.com/2011/04/sila-sahin-playboy-germany-may-2011.html
ROFLMAO!
Now that would be one hell of an "explosive" jihadi.
Saw that! Is that all what Islam can produce and go nuts about?
If a MoSlum checks out a Playboy Mag he (can't imagine many Muzzie woman checking it out except she and her female friends) is a hypocrite. Then again that is actually the norm in Islam - a bunch of hypocrites.
I would love to read statistics about how many more Playboy Mags they sold more in Turkey than they would have done otherwise.
"There are many ways she could have told them to go screw themselves without having to humiliate herself.
Of course, I'm not a guy and can't appreciate her act of defiance, but I'm positive I would feel the same way about a male who would choose to flash his wang as way of saying the same thing."
It's not the same thing; women are attracted more to personality traits and behavior of men rather than physique, specifically those behaviors that show high value. We men are attracted more to women's physical look.
I'm thinking that on us men, a stunning naked woman like this has the same effect as alpha men like Allen West on women, as he unapologetically confronts Muslims and their liberal allies and thus shows that he is protective of his people. Then again, I'm quite libertarian in overall outlook and I'm always happy to appreciate the beauty of naked woman's body, so I can't speak for those who might be more conservative.
I had a look at the picture Istanbul Chick linked.
She's beautiful.
Now, a nod to CGW and Tanstaafl, re the adoration of the female form divine in Western art, both ancient and modern.
Ancient Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_de_Milo
Renaissance Italy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sandro_Botticelli_-_La_nascita_di_Venere_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
19th-century France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus_(Bouguereau)
And now to address our defiant Muslimah, Ms Sila.
You might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb - your family has already disowned you - APOSTASISE.
Know that although many a non-Muslim man will dream lustful dreams after encountering your photos in Playboy, here in the lands of the non-Muslims no decent non-Muslim man would dare to lay a hand upon your actual person without having first received your invitation or having asked, and gained, your permission.
Apostasise...and then one day, perhaps, you will find a handsome German Infidel who will offer you his life-long - and *exclusive* - devotion. He will not beat you, he will not rape you, for in *our* countries a man is expected to treat his wife with consideration.
One must assume that the Muslims in Europe will be bracing themselves for earthquakes...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/19/women-blame-earthquakes-iran-cleric
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/iranian-cleric-says-immodest-dress-extramarital-sex-cause-earthquakes.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/purdue-senior-calls-for-test-of-iranian-clerics-theory-that-allegedly-immodest-dress-causes-earthqua.html
Thanks. Who in the hell would want to stick that in a burka. Let's also hope her mind is as sharp as her body. An islamicized mind with a body like that would truly be a waste. Funny thing too, while us Western guys are leering a bit, The muslim guys are scrounging the internet for goat sex, child sex and rape sex. It's more than a little difference, it's a different universe.
"It's not the same thing; women are attracted more to personality traits and behavior of men rather than physique, specifically those behaviors that show high value. We men are attracted more to women's physical look."
This isn't about attraction, it's about how to "be free" from islam.
As much as I admire Lt. Col. Allen West, I would not think his swinging his wiener around as a very effective way of telling islam and its mullahs to go to hell. While I would enjoy the show I still would not appreciate his method of defiance.
miriam rove wrote:
...I asked why don't you bring your family here and he siad this country is not good for woman and I siad why and he said because they call 911!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Terrifying story, miriam. I bet this good Muslim's wife is *relieved* that he only visits once a year. Ugh.
For anyone who would like "family-rated", fully-clothed pictures of Ms. Sahin, here goes:
http://www.twyggy.net/wp-content/uploads/Sila_Sahin.jpg
She is very pretty. Here she is with German boyfriend and costar Jörn Schlönvoigt:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5059482158_8a87175043.jpg
They both appear on the German soap opera "Gute Zeiten, schlechte Zeiten" (Good Times, Bad Times).
I know some posters have mixed feelings about Ms. Sahin posing for Playboy. Approve or disapprove, I think we can all agree that she should be able to do so without having her life threatened by Islam.
Bravo to this beautiful lady. She is indeed thumbing her nose at islamic upbringing. This is the one thing she can do that in itself isn't saying anything against islam but yet itself is her own personnel break from this restrictive religion.
The ultimate un-Islamic thing to do would be to leave Islam.
I'm glad you got the joke because I don't. "911"? Is that something about the 9/11 terrorist attacks or is that the emergency number in the US?
Beautiful eyes.
the whole point is that her reasons are her own. her body. her life. or so you'd hope.
i'm glad she said it was a rebellion about her strict upringing. i wonder if they (her family) are coinsidered 'moderates"? theyd have to be to have her get this famous. so it will bring attention to the barbarity of it all from a public angle. (public: the great unwashed .. who watchj tv soaps etc)
there was that pakistani actress in the indian reality tv show. i wonder how shes doing.
because this is germany, it will be interesting to see how it unfolds. and i dare say that because she is so beautiful, it will stir public interests.
CGW wrote beautiful eyes.. i had to look again just to check. but regardless, beautiful actress, dowdy intellectual or housewife, she deserves better.
Pious and learned Muslims on seeing Sila Salin's behavior would probably think that when she was conceived her father did not recite the bismillah before having sex and she may be the spawn of the devil. Don't laugh, it is in the hadiths.
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 493:Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, "If anyone of you, when intending to have a sexual relation (sleep) with his wife, says: Bismillah, Allahumma jannibna ashShaitan, wa Jannib ash-Shaitana ma razaqtana, Satan would never harm that child, should it be ordained that they will have one. (Because of that sleep)."
While providing a further explanation of this hadith, one of the greatest muslim scholar of all time Ahmad ibn Moosa ibn Al-Abbas ibn Mujahid says:
"The one who has intercourse and does not say Bismillaah, the Shaytaan wraps himself around his penis and has intercourse along with him."
There is more at this site.
http://pyemministry.blogspot.com/2011/02/breaking-news-study-reveals-satan-had.html
i think that we (men) should review this very carefully...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MNNJjiZQO9k/TajV4kRnulI/AAAAAAAAA08/DpvyCahSYvs/s1600/DSC_2857.jpg before judging (adult rated link)
This just goes to prove a scientific point, she has taken off the black rags and put aside the koran, and to me she looks like the perfect infidel. so genetics obviously plays no part what makes moslims the way they are.
“there was that pakistani actress in the Indian reality tv show. i wonder how shes doing.”
There have been manyl porkiestani entertainers that appear in the Indian entertainment industry. The fact that in India they can let themselves go and really accomplish something says a lot of how islam suppresses people while the Hindu dominated Indian industry sets them free. No wonder we have many accomplished Indian muslim entertainers.
But back to these porkiestani entertainers, most have no problem but some have problems back home where they are accused of apostasy and other crimes for doing” things “in the Indian entertainment industry. so far as I know, (or please correct me if you know), none have been jailed or killed yet.
"The one who has intercourse and does not say Bismillaah, the Shaytaan wraps himself around his penis and has intercourse along with him."
I picturize the scene in Doctor Stranglove where the guy rides down a nuke bomb.
The haram infidal approved satan condom would be a great idea. the motto " when you use this condom, satan rides with you". I bet satan would be very busy at night if everyone uses one. in fact since it's night somewhere in the world satan would not be able to do anything else. Kumbayah will reign supreme.
Not only is she now free, she's also wanted (desired) by millions of Infidels.
BTW, tomorrow, April 20th - is birthday time for both Hitler and Mohammed.
http://crazyislam.typepad.com/home/blog-posts/
@ dumbleoresarmy,
Yes Ma'am:
"He will not beat you, he will not rape you, for in *our* countries a man is expected to treat his wife with consideration."
Not only treat with consideration Ma'am, willingly die to protect wife, children, family, neighbors, and strangers.
I hope I'm not alone (Undaunted Sir?) preferring a violent death protecting others rather than a peaceful death doing nothing. Since we must all die, I hope there are others who prefer to die standing and fighting for freedom and justice, rather than die on their knees cowering under slavery and injustice.
"It's not the same thing; women are attracted more to personality traits and behavior of men rather than physique" ...
That isn't necessarily true; and I can't speak for all women - only myself, but the first thing that attracted me to my husband was how handsome he is physically. Yeah and before he and I got married I was always attracted to really handsome men. For me if a guy has a great personality, etc, but is not very attractive (at least to me), then he never stood a chance with me. So women can be very visual as well ...
Anyway, I did a little modeling years ago - swimsuits, things like that - but I never felt right about bearing my breasts for all the world to see. No way. I made that choice, however, out of my own desire to do what was right for me, not due to external pressures from others; and ironically, Sila decided to show some skin for the same reason: as she thought that this was the right choice for her. Too bad her family has rejected her, but this is typical of the culture of hate and intolerance that she grew up in ...
While I am concerned for her safety I am VERY proud she had the guts to fly in the face of Islams ridiculously excessive censorship laws. That being said, I would never want to see Khomeini naked....eeeeeewwwwwww
But she is an extremely beautiful young women who made a conscious decision about her (HER, no one else's) body and she has the right to do so.
It's not like she removed the head off of anybody else's body. But for Islam, that is okay.
Her words are VERY telling, "I wanted to be free." Undoubtedly not the first Muslim woman to have such thoughts.
I hope and pray for her safety.
Robert: I don't understand why you "can't endorse" her action. I certainly would. She's beautiful and she ought to flaunt her looks. Don't you understand that it's just not a matter of Islamic-defined "immodesty" that she's flouting. It's her beauty. Why do you think Lara Logan was attacked and beaten in Tahir Square? It's because Islam, among its many, many other compulsions, cannot tolerate the assertion of a positive value in individuals, positive in the sense of something that validates a personal value and that has nothing to do with what Big Bully Allah wants. She wants to be psychological free of Islam. Her next step is to repudiate it altogether, a la Hirsin Ali and Wafa Sultan. I give Sila two thumbs up for her action. I just hope she can tolerate the ostracism and that she watches her back. I wouldn’t doubt that her family and local imams or mullahs are plotting her beheading already.
If she wants to be free she must leave Islam and the porno biz.
Guy Macher: Leaving Islam is imperative. Leaving the "porno biz" is optional. Or do you, like Muslims, think the female body is obscene? No one here has accused Sila of making porno films. But that "anti" attitude is a sign of repression. Note that when Muslims rape or brutalize women, infidel or not, it's the most photogenic and attractive ones that they wish to punish, destroy and extinguish.
Gerald, that is just.plain.gross.
I have to chuckle at any male commentor here who decries this beautiful girl's action in posing nude as part of her personal declaration of freedom from Islam. You enjoy seeing beautiful women's bodies. Why, then, do you call names at women who show them openly and with pride? As Skeen66 notes, Sila is using her beauty to declare her rejection of and independence from the sick misogyny of Islam.
OK, first it's "wrong" to burn a book as a protest against its evil content. Now it's "wrong" for a woman to pose nude to protest the hysterical, irrational, tyrannical attitude towards women set down in the aforementioned book? Excuse me, but exactly how "pure" and "nice" are we expected to be in this battle?
Does this attitude of reserve indicate that to some degree we are still not acknowledging that we are in a war? During WWII all the stops were pulled out when it came to "insulting" the enemy. While some of it can be seen as "racist" or "bigoted" in hindsight, in the heat of all-out war it was a healthy way of expressing defiance and scorn towards the enemy.
I owe Islam and believing Muslims no respect whatsoever. These are people who have chosen to reject reason and are ready to follow the orders of a non-existent demon god to kill or enslave all of us because of it.
Sila sounds like a bright and brave young woman and I hope she has taken steps to protect her safety from the 7th century savages who will be out to kill her for this.
(Gerald, every time I think I've heard the silliest thing that's in the hadith, someone comes up with a better example. So, I suppose if a mooslum is engaged in rape he leaves out the bismallah, same as before the 9th sura?)
Regardless of her clothing (or lack of it), there is NO reason this young women should be forced to conceal her appearance behind the veil.
Irrelevant question - Is Playboy gong to have a feature on the "Apostate of the Year"?
Just asking..........
Val: I join your prayer. First, I was glad to note that the support and meaningful relationship she still had with her father, but you are absolutely right about danger for him as he "failed to control her." Islam dehumanizes all.
You also forgot to mention that the ancient Greeks celebrated homosexuality.
Regarding both tolerance of homosexuals AND apostasy, muslims in east asia are more tolerant that western christians- since homosexuality is not the topic at hand i will not post any more here but a link to the relavant topic.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/uganda-christian-pastor-petitions-parliament-to-remove-islamic-sharia-laws-from-constitution.html#comment-780159
PJG wrote:
I'm glad you got the joke because I don't. "911"? Is that something about the 9/11 terrorist attacks or is that the emergency number in the US?
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PJG, 911 is indeed the emergency number in the US, and it has been used for at least a couple of decades now. The fact that 9/11 sounds so similar is just a grim coincidence.
Most Western nations have national emergency codes now—usually something short and easy to remember, but not so short that it might easily be dialed by mistake. The emergency code for the Netherlands, for instance, is 112.
This story is not really "a joke". It seems that poster miriam rove took a taxi ride with a brutal Muslim cabbie who refused to bring his family to America in part because his wife might realize that domestic abuse is illegal in the civilized West, and that the Infidel authorities would be willing to help her.
Hey Horsey! You wrote:
."..i will not post any more here but a link to the relavant topic."
How 'bout you just don't post anymore AT ALL?!
Bye Horseyboy. Go back to your shithole and please die.
You're an adult? You sound like a frustrated little child throwing a trantrum.
Lets see the master "deebeartok"'s little tantrums-
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"AND my wife is Filipina, asshole. My kids are half."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/01/philippines-misunderstanders-of-islam-murder-five-wound-13-in-jihad-attack-on-crowded-bus.html#comment-752704
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"GO DIE!
YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS "students" - whatever that has to do with one nitwit blowing himself to bits, I haven't a clue..."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/gaza-jihadi-accidentally-blows-himself-up-without-murdering-any-infidels.html#comment-779039
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And over here, deebartok displays his intelligence regarding Malaysia, failing to understand that Malay law says that muslims are RACIALLY Malay
"For God's sake - oops! Allah's, or whatever, just give it up. You don't get it. ISLAM IS NOT A RACE! You are a Muslim and your arguments, simply, do not follow"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/malaysia-non-muslims-who-quote-quran-can-be-arrested.html#comment-776279
Mr. deebartok apparently failed to read the article, where it said RIGHT in the article that -“This is to ensure that racial harmony is maintained,” he told Datuk Ibrahim Ali (Ind-Pasir Mas)."
deebartok, AKA supreme moron, apparently has never been to Malaysia, otherwise he would have understood that Malay RACIAL supremacy is enshrined in the laws, through Article 153 of the Malaysian Constiution, in which Ketuanan Melayu (malay supremacy) is written into law above all other races.
Women love good looking sexy men too. We're even worse than men when we talk about this stuff! Maybe we don't want to see picture of wieners, but abs, butts, chests, are definitely discussed and leered at. At my office, the women aged 27-63 all do this when no men are around.
I see "Horse" has gotten tired of going after Dumbledore's Army and myself, and is now going after Deebartok, as well...
Hey make like a horsefly and buzz off ...
no i don't know. i just never heard follow up on that one particular case from a month back. interesting .. i'm glad they are able to reach their potential unfettered.
LOL. Couldn't agree more. Drive them out.
Oddly enough, a propos Horse's wildly offtopic scattergun posting above, I just happened to see this in the ABC (Aussie) news today - a story from Malaysia about the attempted 'reeducation' of Malay Muslim boys who were suspected of being 'gay'.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/20/3196266.htm
'Malaysian schoolboys sent to butch camp'.
''I have to chuckle at any male commentor here who decries this beautiful girl's action in posing nude as part of her personal declaration of freedom from Islam. You enjoy seeing beautiful women's bodies. Why, then, do you call names at women who show them openly and with pride? As Skeen66 notes, Sila is using her beauty to declare her rejection of and independence from the sick misogyny of Islam.''
Unfortunately, it isn't only muslim males who have double standards. Sometimes it's western males too.
''Of course, I'm not a guy and can't appreciate her act of defiance, but I'm positive I would feel the same way about a male who would choose to flash his wang as way of saying the same thing''.
Trouble is though, (let's be honest ! ) men's dangly bits are just really not pretty ! She is. Very. So I say good luck to her, and please God protect her.
DDA clearly has not read or comprehending any of the posts i made in the past, since i pointed that that Pai Hsien-yung, the son of Bai Chongxi, Chairman of the Chinese Muslim Association, is no longer muslim and is currently a homosexual. He received no death threats from the association (the Bai family and the association are based in Taiwan), for either homosexuality or apostasy. There is a group of families in Fujian province of china and taiwan, who are descended from muslims but they are no longer muslims, they have received no death threats at all-
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/a-zeisen-pesach-to-you-and-yours.html#comment-780502
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/irans-thug-in-cheif-blames-west-for-middle-east-unrest.html#comment-780495
Who can blame deebartok for verbally assaulting you?
You never answer direct questions, you always pull the typical kuraniml tactic of obfuscation and projection or pulling up ONE example of a kaffr behaving in an islamic fashion as "proof" that you kuranimals are victims.
As for your "racial" malarkey: just because the Indonesian or Malaysian kuranimals are "racists" does NOT make islam a race.
What you fail to realize is that we DO understand the racism (arab mo-bots are "the most noble people" as per mein kuranmpf) and supremacy of islam (allah despises kaffrs also as per mein kuranmp). So, you've got racist Indos or Malays who are racist against non-Indos/Malays AND they're also muslim supremacists who are "racist" against kaffrs. They are double racist el supremos! That still does not make hating muslims a "racial" issue. Because you are a kuranimal NO ONE CARES that the Indos/Malays hate you for being a non-Indo/Malay.
You are simply demonstrating your inate islam inspired hypocrisy. You want us to boo-hoo for the racism directed at you WHILE you practice an ideology of ultimate racism and supremacy. It's no wonder that people like deebartok get frustrated and tell you "to die."
I hate ALL of you kuranimals, especially the white western female revert race of kuranimal because ALL of you practice a bronze age arabic ideology of hate, racism and supremacy.
Every day I feel the urge to punch two or three of the race of white female kuranimal revert in their fat lying faces. So I guess that makes me a racist and a misogynist? Except that I am white and female.
So, kuranimal, take your pity party and go preach it somewhere else. As long as you practice your ideology of racism, hate and supremacy and demonstrate your allah inspired hypocrisy you will continue to see well deserved reactions like deebartok's.
AS A FLAMING HETROSEXUAL; WHAT WOULD THEY DO TO ME??
"Horse" wrote:
There is a group of families in Fujian province of china and taiwan, who are descended from muslims but they are no longer muslims, they have received no death threats at all-
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One small group of Muslims beyond the fringe of the Muslim world was able to apostatize without being threatened with death! I guess there's no problem, then...sarc/off
Muslims only make up about .2% of the population in Taiwan. In a population of almost 23 million, that's about 46,000 Muslims—or about the population of *my neighborhood*. Probably harder to get up a good Fatwa when the Ummah is so thin on the ground...
By contrast, Germany is almost 4% Muslim, and has the horrific legacy of "honor killings" to prove it.
gravenimage
Don't be too sure - your equinine friend there will demonstrate that lovely example of Oman, right in the Arabian peninsula itself - in order to contradict you.
Plus in China, religious practices are forbidden, and as far as the Muslims there go, thank god!!! Horsey can wax all day long about how wonderful his Hui comrades are, but @ the end of the day, they are a majority virtually nowhere, and under Beijing's thumb. Contrast that w/ the Uyghurs, who dominate Xinxiang, and who Horse himself didn't give a glowing report.
I find it (ironic?), but also touching, that Playboy was somewhat responsible for, in a way, freeing our attitudes. Maybe it will have the same effect on the mooselips. I'm praying for the girl. Maybe Hef will take her in.
theres never been a case of honor killing in China, ever, look up the media in china and taiwan.
We don't have the concept of "namus", of killing girls just because they are raped. Sure, they would get a real big massive beating and be shamed if they slept around on their own will, just like any other non muslim chinese family with any self respect. We followed confucianism in regards to family.
Hui General Ma Shaowu permitted hindus to work in Xinjiang, it was the uyghurs who killed them, southern Xinjiang was under his complete control and he could have expelled the hindus if he wanted to.
"Horse" wrote:
Sure, they would get a real big massive beating and be shamed if they slept around on their own will, just like any other non muslim chinese family with any self respect.
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The appalling Mohammedan "Horse" has just come out in favor of giving girls "massive beatings" if they act on their own will—and moreover, he has done so in order to prove *how "moderate"* he is.
Sickening.
Infidel Pride wrote:
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Don't be too sure - your equinine friend there will demonstrate that lovely example of Oman, right in the Arabian peninsula itself - in order to contradict you.
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So true, Infidel Pride.
He might also go on about how the minority Muslim Hui in northern Thailand have never demanded a Shari'ah state right in the heart of Bangkok, which proves how laidback Islam is; or that the threatened remnant of Christians in Syria are safer than they would be in Canada or Australia, and they are *so* grateful for that; or that Chinese Hui General Ma Shaowu enjoyed beheading his victims, but it had nothing to do with Islam because he was only beheading Muslim Turkmen, which proved how moderate he was, or something.