Because he suspected her of infidelity. This happened in 2006, but is just coming to trial now for some reason.
Of course, this story makes no mention of Islam. Said Biyard is just a "Somali man." And generally whenever an honor killing takes place in North America or Europe, the mainstream media tells us that honor killing is a cultural practice that has nothing to do with Islam -- despite several facts indicating the contrary. It is no accident or coincidence that Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar University, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right." However, "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law.
Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but "the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour 'provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.'" And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."
Nonetheless, the media drumbeat is constant: honor killings have nothing to do with Islam. And as long as that continues, we will see more and more murders like this one.
"Police describe grisly scene in Somali man's trial in deaths of his children," by Jason Riley in the Courier-Journal, April 18 (thanks to Twostellas):
Louisville Metro Police officers described in court on Monday a grisly scene when they walked into the home of Said Biyad's family on Oct. 6, 2006, with a trail of blood starting in the hallway and leading to bedrooms with his four children lying dead, their throats cut.“He left them laying in pools of their own blood,” Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Christie Foster said in her opening statement about Biyad, whose murder trial began on Monday in Jefferson Circuit Court.
Foster told Judge James Shake that Biyad “brutally” killed his four children — Goshany, Khadija, Fatuma and Sidi Ali, ages 2 through 8 — and raped and assaulted his wife before turning himself in at police headquarters and admitting what he had done.
Detective Brenda Wescott testified that three of the children were found in one room, with the youngest apparently trying to put her thumb in her mouth before she died. The other child was found in a separate room in bed, partially covered in blankets.
Wescott, who had to compose herself once during her testimony, said she arrived at the scene to find a veteran officer looking “shell-shocked.”...
Defense attorney Mike Lemke said in his openings to Shake that they believe Biyad is mentally ill and will offer expert testimony that he is a paranoid schizophrenic.
Lemke said Biyad has for years believed people were trying to kill him and get his money, and that he was a multimillionaire celebrity.
He said this trial will show “clear evidence of a person who is mentally ill” and provide a “peek into a brain that does not function in a normal way.”...
The first witness for the prosecution, Officer James Clark, said Biyad was sitting calmly in the lobby of the police station on Seventh and Jefferson streets, his hands crossed, when he first met him.
Biyad “kept saying he had done very bad things,” Clark said.
Clark testified that Biyad told his story, in broken English, “matter-of-factly.”
Biyad told police he had slit the throats of his children, making a motion by sweeping his hand across his neck, and believed they were dead. He said his wife, Fatuma Amir, may also be dead. Amir was beaten and raped, but survived.
Clark said Biyad was angry because he believed his wife was cheating on him and he was asked to pay money to the elders to have a relationship with her.
Biyad allegedly raped his wife and beat her with a hammer before she was able to lock herself in a room.
Biyad said he then went to the rooms of each of his children, cutting their throats, before throwing the knife in a garbage can, according to court documents.
When Officer Krissy Hagan went to the home, she said she heard Amir crying inside.
“A sob I won't forget,” she said.Biyad is not facing the death penalty through an agreement between defense and prosecutors and the maximum sentence he faces is life in prison.
What kind of agreement?
http://newstime.co.nz/honor-killings-to-offspring-are-allowed-in-islam-to-sharia-law-o2-4-reliance-of-the-traveller.html
(video) "Honor" killings are allowed by Sharia Law (o2.4, ‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2.)
Biyad is mentally ill and will offer expert testimony that he is a paranoid schizophrenic.
The expert testimony will be by a psychiatrist, or psychologist, who are not expert in the effects of Islam on a submitters mind...It is entirely possible and even probable that Islam and paranoid schizophrenia fit together like hand and glove...But the psychiatrist will only examine the glove, and not the hand in it...Of course it is always possible that Biyad will start running off at the mouth and give Islam credit for his behavior...But in America, 'Islam made me do it' is not yet a legal defense, but they are working on that...
There's always method in Islamic madness. And Biyad's behavior is typical of someone who belongs to a so-called religion that believes peace is an obstacle to its objectives.
Generally, the agreemnent between the prosecution and defense would be in exchange for a quilty plea. At that point the trial would only deal with sentencing. The article is unclear on this and it appears not to be the case. Other articles indicated that by agreement the trial is not a jury trial (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20110417/NEWS01/304180020/1044/SCENE02/Somali-man-Said-Biyad-s-trial-deaths-kids-begin?odyssey=nav|head), and this may be what led to the removal of the death penalty. A jury trial would be a bit more expensive and more risky for the prosecution because the defence would only need to find one simpathetic juror. The prosecution may also feel that because of the questionable mental state of the defendant it would never get a death sentence and seeking one would be a waste of time and money in any case.
Personally, I don't think the prosecution should ever give up the death penalty in a situation such as this, as it sends the wrong message.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, surprises me anymore about muslims. I am a true blue Islamoloathe.
Sorry, but I feel compelled to do the following to answer a couple of posters from days ago:
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A reply to EASTVIEW and INFIDEL PRIDE from a previous thread on a technical issue:
The founders of Signalism, Messieurs Poker Mutt and London Jim, stand by one of the key tenets of Signalism,
The West is analog, Islam is digital.
This has not, as yet, been fully fleshed out nor its profundities fully plumbed. I and LJ are going on gut instinct and proceeding as time and energy permit. Analog vs digital, in one aspect only, is about richness vs barrenness, colour vs black and white. What’s more, analog can exist on its own—digital cannot. Hence, one of the under-appreciated factors in the urgency of establishing the worldwide caliphate. FYI, the Signalist Party has a worldwide membership of two. At three, we become a mass movement.
But here is what I want to say to the both of you: Taqiyya exists in marketing! Make of this what you will and keep up the good work. I always find a nugget or two in your posts. A copy and paste from Wikipedia.
“Speakers marked as digital:
Modern speakers marketed as 'digital' are always analog speakers, in most cases driven by an analog amplifier. The widespread use of the term 'digital' with speakers is a marketing ploy intended to claim better suitability with 'digital' source material (e.g., MP3 recordings), or impute 'higher technology' than some other speaker, and perhaps higher price. If pressed, manufacturers may claim the term means the product is 'ready' for input from digital players; this is true of essentially all speaker systems.” END.
“for input from digital players” means that the receiving device has a digital to analog converter for feeding to the analog transducer, the speaker.
If analog ain’t invited to the next party thrown by the modern and hip, quadruple the amount of booze and drugs to be brought. But that ain’t right…right?
If anyone is interested here are the two posts that prompted the above:
pokermutt replied to comment from Eastview | April 17, 2011 10:17 AM | Reply
Hello and thank you Eastview. You said,
"Hmmm...Gonna have to think about this. In today's world, "analog" is usually taken to denote being old and outdated, while "digital" means modern and hip. I'm sure this isn't what you mean to suggest, Poker Mutt and London Jim. Perhaps you have in mind that Islam is digital in the sense that it is binary, polar, inflexible, while the analog nature of the West lies in its infinite flexibility?"
I replied,
Yes and yes and more. Listening to zeros and ones would first of all be impossible, and then it would be boring. Digital has to be converted into an analog signal and fed to an analog transducer like a speaker and then one hears music to the ears. Anything that is of value to a human is analog.
Then Infidel Pride got in on the action.
Infidel Pride replied to comment from Eastview | April 18, 2011 12:46 AM | Reply
That's what struck me about their quotes. I disagree - analog means a continuous signal while digital means a step function. Humans can hear digital signals as well - it just is a case of converting an electrical signal - be it digital or analog - into audio or video.
As far as humans go, once digital achieves a resolution that exceeds what eyes can sense or ears can hear, it's practically analog. For instance, if in a video clip you have more frames per second than what the human eye can pick up, what you'll have is a continuous, rather than a jarring, video stream. That's why I disagree w/ the 'Islam is digital' statement - if a digital signal has a high enough resolution, it becomes analog, but if Islam becomes more Islamic, it doesn't become non-Islamic.
That was a brilliant analogy. I'm pasting it.
What did the children do to merit 'honor killing'? They certainly weren't unfaithful to him.
Biyad “kept saying he had done very bad things,” Clark said.
Insane or islam? I thought one of the keys to an insanity defense is a failure to understand right vs. wrong. His own statement would indicate that he did know that difference. But then, since islam specializes in the promotion and celebration of practically everything that's wrong (by civilized standards), a case could be made that all muslims are insane. Of course, being "insane" means they're not really responsible--something or someone else is always to blame. Islam means never having to say you're sorry. Unless you're lying...
But all that misses the point: What are these Somalis doing in Kentucky? Shouldn't they be in Somalia? Did they pay their own way here? Is their presence here good for the fabric of our society? Is there any reason not to expect more of the same from them? At any and all levels--can we afford them here? Do we want this in our neighborhoods?
This isn't rocket science. If we don't want our countries to look like those 57 islamic hellhole countries...just STOP IMPORTING MUSLIMS! Let them kill their own islamic families in their own islamic countries and clean-up their own islamic messes...on their time and their dime, not ours...
The horrible face of islam . . .
Muslim parents (and grandparents) may kill their offspring if the parents feel their children are not on the "right path". (In the Qur'an, the chapter entitled "The Green Man".
("Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."
Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7)
A jury trial and only one muslim juror?
The slaves of Allah don't seek retribution for a father killing his children and do not consider it possible to rape a wife. As for wife beating, that's only frowned upon if it visibly damages the "chattel".
Pokermutt
I'm getting the impression that you are confusing digital vs analog w/ audio vs electrical. That's not the issue here. Ultimately, any waveform - audio, voltage, current - can be either analog or digital. In case of audio, when the signal is digital, it changes the timbre of the sound. Different waveforms - square, sawtooth, sine - will give you different timbres, like the sounds of guitars, pianos, fluglehorns... What you probably referred to was the conversion of electrical signals into audio signals, which is by no means the same as an analog-digital or digital-analog converter.
Expressed in calculus, a digital signal is not going to be differentiable (i.e. derivatives wrt time cannot be derived with the transition spike of a square wave) whereas an analog signal will be. However, in the physical world, nothing will happen in absolute zero time - it will take some nanoseconds at least, which is why, in the end, it does turn out to be differentiable. But in electronics, a lot of approximations are made for the sake of simplifying the design of such circuitry, which is then used to produce essentially digital signals.
Digital signals, depending on their resolutions, can be made to approximate analog signals using step functions. So where you'd normally see a sine waveform, instead, you'd see a staircase like waveform following the same trajectory. This is also the principle behind pulse code modulation, where you have a high frequency carrier signal being shaped by the modulating waveform so that it can be transmitted. At the end, it can either be made analog, or passed through a digital signal processor to produce an output of appropriate resolution. The advantage to the latter being that noise is automatically eliminated.
Thanks for reading this - it's been fun boring you ;-)
P.S. As for the murders above, yawwwwwwwwwnnn!!! The above discussion on whether a digital signal can be differentiable was much more interesting. What else is new about Muslims? Incidentally, what was it that someone was saying about Islam, not Muslims, being the problem?
tanstaafl,
Thank you, but it still makes no sense. How could a two-year-old not be on the right path? Even if we assume that the mother was a 'bad influence', then surely killing her would have given the father a chance to put his children on 'the right path'.
Even an eight-year-old has barely reached what the nuns called 'the age of reason'.
These weren't teenagers rebelling against their parents. How could anyone say they had 'gone astray'?
"American jihad: Facing up to homegrown militancy"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13068133
Late in the day, BBC gets around to mentioning the on-going jihad in America.
International listeners make be able to catch this programme on BBC-iPlayer.
Okay, the MSM does not mention Islam. That's become par for the course. SOP. Standard Operating Procedure.
But the MSM's protection of the force that will kill us all has become irrelevant. People KNOW. In the UK when the papers say that a south Asian is accused of such and such, readers know it's a Muslim. In France when the papers say that some youths have started some fires, readers know it's Muslims.
Similarly here. A trial involving someone with a name out of Timbuktu (this is a real place in Mali, a N. Afr. Muslim country), they KNOW what the time of day is. Americans are getting to KNOW that Muslims have us in their sights and that they mean us harm. And none of this involves discrimination. Our ever building mounds of evidence are built on things that Muslims themselves are doing right in front of our eyes.
Fewer and fewer are being fooled by the MSM's dirty tricks.
In a just world he would have been executed the moment he confessed and his deeds were confirmed. I hope prison is a living hell and he gets to know how his wife felt. Drop the soap buddy it's good to clean the floor.
Islam inspires evil, think your wifes cheating get a divorce jackass, don't kill your family. But oh yeah Mohammed wasn't civilized and your just following your role model.
I believe Islam will be erradicated in time, and that when it falls it will so have prejudiced humanity against reiligion and god, that all religions will suffer in it's wake.
May I suggest "binary" in lieu of "digital?"
Yeah, this is more accurate
a peek into a brain that does not function in a normal way ...
To wit: A Muslim brain.
Fantastic, another jailhouse imam being sent to the pen for life. During which, he can preach and convert even more fedayeen from the penal system, some of whom invariably will be released back into society.
Best we can hope for is that he gets shanked in the showers. He deserves it.
This line from the report -
"Wescott, who had to compose herself once during her testimony, said she arrived at the scene to find a veteran officer looking “shell-shocked"
reminds me of the reports on the Muslim murder of the Fogel family in Judea.
The ZAKA response people, who have seen plenty of terrible things, since they are the ones who clean up after jihadist terror attacks, were disturbed by what they saw.
And when the Shin Bet caught the two murderers - two young Muslim men aged 18 and 19, residents of the Arab Muslim village next door to Itamar where the Fogels lived - they (the murderers) calmly and dispassionately described to them how they had attacked and murdered the family one by one (including deliberately going back into the house to murder the wailing infant Hadass), and remarking that had they known there were two other children in the house they would certainly have killed them as well.
"As for the two surviving children, the murderers said they hadn't noticed them. Had they found the two, both said, they would not have hesitated to kill them, as well."
Even the tough-as-nails **Shin Bet** - this is the Israeli security services we're talking about, and they've seen gangland killings among both criminal Israeli Jews and criminal Israeli Arab Muslims, and 'honor' murders aplenty among Arab Muslims, and atrocious murders carried out by jihadists - were shocked.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4057894,00.html
'Sources familiar with the investigation said the two offered a dispassionate account of the attack, and "a chilling reenactment."
'Shin Bet officers described it as one of the most "shocking, cold, remorseless and detailed description[s]," they had ever come across.'
Arab Muslims killing Jewish children in Itamar in eretz Israel; Somali Muslim murdering his *own* children (and trying to murder his wife) in America; both of them coolly telling law enforcement exactly what they had done.
One wonders whether Biyad really believed his wife had cheated (and that the children, therefore, weren't his after all) or whether that was simply the excuse he gave himself for a bunch of murders driven chiefly by the desire to kill, kill, kill.
The awful thing about Islam is this: that if someone neurologically abnormal (psychopathic, or schizophrenic, or both) is born into Islam, that person is provided with a multitude of reasons for murdering those around them; while a person born neurologically normal - a person who would not, in a non-Muslim society, become a psycho killer - is (if born into the Ummah) insistently and continuously **encouraged** and **trained** to think and behave like a psychopath.
Some utterly baffling hammer attacks are utterly baffling. Others are just number 47 or so.
For those who might have missed earlier instalments, a walk through the a Muslim neighbourhood to one of my favourite intersections: Death Row and Memory Lane.
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/2008/08/utterly-baffling-hammer-attack-on-nine.html
Hello APF:
Glad to see you back. You had me alarmed APF. Do you have a doctor's note?
As a farmer once famously said,
"Maybe the Moslems have finally gotten to me."
I think they got to me.
The point of my reply to Infidel Pride and Eastview was that things only become meaningful when they are translated into analog which I equate with humanness. And islam don't fill the bill. I have some background in electronics but Pride blew me away, yet, didn't convince me of anything. A speaker is analog and that's that.
LJ and I are not practitioners of Weaselism. If the doctrine contradicts itself and is of only marginal use, it will be consigned to the trash bin of history. I speak for myself, you can also consign me to the same bin as a wacko.
With Signalism, I seriously entertained creating a mass umbrella movement using some of the techniques of the Communist party to provide support to other groups in countries threatened by the muslims. It would have been an immense task to create a full blown doctrine for Signalism and a worldwide platform for the Signalist Party. Being human, I now feel relieved of the task--gone fishin'.
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps he hears the beat of a different drum.
This is my calculus:
In the last moments, a Christian's life becomes like a contradictory differential calculus--the 'x' of his existence rapidly approaches both zero and infinity.
islam in a nutshell.
If the so-called "man" thought his wife was cheating on him, then in his twisted mind, even his children might not really be his. And what better way to destroy his wife than slay her children? Anyway, wives, children, and donkeys are all the same to them: items to use/sell/abuse/destroy at their sadistic whim.
There were several more "honor killing" slaughters of Muslim women in Israel last week. One woman was murdered jointly by her father, brothers, husband, and several other male relatives......in the daughter's presence, and in a public location. This is a regular occurence among Israeli Arabs.
There were several more "honor killing" slaughters of Muslim women in Israel last week. One woman was murdered jointly by her father, brothers, husband, and several other male relatives......in the daughter's presence, and in a public location. This is a regular occurence among Israeli Arabs.
''Clark said Biyad was angry because he believed his wife was cheating on him and he was asked to pay money to the elders to have a relationship with her.''
?????????
So every Muslim everywhere who has committed an honour killing has read the 14th century "Reliance Of The Traveler", right? This Somali man is possibly schizophrenic, you do know that this scenario is not uncommon in Western societies, we like to call it "a crime of passion" but when a Mozzlem does it it's an "honour killing". I suggest you look up the incidence of "crimes of passion" in the US. Your arguments get more and more ridiculous, until I started paying attention to this site I had no idea this "Reliance of the Traveler" book even existed and neither did any of the Muslims I know. This shizophrenic and possibly sociopathic Somali man must have read the book *rolls eyes*
Look at the bright side. Neither her nor her children are going to be breeding more like themselves.
Humanity needs a good cull. Muslims are a great place to start.
''Clark said Biyad was angry because he believed his wife was cheating on him and he was asked to pay money to the elders to have a relationship with her.''
Quite possibly this pos is a paranoid schizo, but I'm curious to know why you think it has NOTHING to do with islam ? Who do you think these 'elders' are ? Why did he have to 'pay money' to them in order 'to have a relationship with her.' ?
''Clark said Biyad was angry because he believed his wife was cheating on him and he was asked to pay money to the elders to have a relationship with her.''
Quite possibly this pos is a paranoid schizo, but I'm curious to know why you think it has NOTHING to do with islam ? Who do you think these 'elders' are ? Why did he have to 'pay money' to them in order 'to have a relationship with her.' ?
"And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."
So does anybody have an idea of what their version of a destroyed family is? I mean according to this Biyad was keeping up with "religious traditions". I don't think I want to see what he does to some one who really pisses him off.
There is no chapter in the Quran called the "Green Man" nor is there any endorsment of parents killing their offspring found in the Quran.
Have you heard of the concept of "filtering down"? Those books like "Reliance of the Traveller" have been read by the clerics, the decision-makers, through the centuries. That man did not have to have read the books to have absorbed the ideas which permeated his culture long before he was born.
Some atheists I know think in much the same way as Christians do, even though they have never read the Bible. It's the culture (rolls eyes...)
The father killed his children to hurt his wife, who was behind a locked door. Simple mohammadan logic. Just as he would blow YOU up to hurt "pastor" jones.
So much for the religion of peace. They mutilate their daughters' genitals to keep them pure, they sexually assault their wives because it's their duty, and they kill their daughters for becoming too western, for not marrying the man the father chooses and for other perceived slights. If they don't want to become westernized they should stay where they came from and not come to the west.
We took the 10 commandments out of the schools (thanks ACLU) and nature abhors a vacuum and islam is trying to take its place.
Death is one of the the penalties for adultery under Islam. Reliance Upon the Traveler aside, the controlling authority here is the Qur'an and hadiths which are based on Muhammed's bloody life:
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)
Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 2. pg 1009; and Sahih Muslim Vol 2. pg 65:
Hadhrat Abdullah ibne Abbaas (Radiallahu Anhu) narrates the lecture that Hadhrat Umar (Radiallaahu Anhu) delivered whilst sitting on the pulpit of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam). Hadhrat Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) said, "Verily, Allah sent Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) with the truth, and revealed the Quran upon him. The verse regarding the stoning of the adulterer/ess was from amongst the verse revealed (in the Quraan). We read it, secured it and understood it. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) stoned and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time a person might say, ‘We do not find mention of stoning in the Book of Allah and thereby go astray by leaving out an obligation revealed by Allah. Verily, the stoning of a adulterer/ress is found in the Quraan and is the truth, if the witnesses are met or there is a pregnancy or confession."
Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others:
Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance”.
Al-Bayhaqi:
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “O mankind! Beware of fornication/adultery for it entails six dire consequences: three of them relating to this world and three to the next world. As for the three that are related to this world, they are the following: it removes the glow of one’s face, brings poverty, and reduces the life-span. As for its dire consequences in the next world they are: it brings down the wrath of Allah upon the person, subjects him to terrible reckoning, and finally casts him in hell-fire.”
I think you'd have to be schizophrenic yourself not to see the pattern in Muslim families. Note that all this blather by the "prophet" did not apply to him.
I know, it doesn't make sense to us non-sociopaths. But remember, a Muslim's possessions include his wife (or wives) and children. He can dispose of his possessions as he sees fit. He can kill his children without blood compensation under sharia law.
Two things come to mind, 1) He was found mentally competent to stand trial and 2) there are many mentally unstable people serving time in prison. One more won't make a difference. Just don't forget to throw away ( far away ) the KEY.
Khidr or Al-Khiḍr (Arabic: الخضر "the Green One", also transcribed Khidr, Khidar, Khizr, Khizar and Persian: خضر, Turkish: Hızır) is a figure in Islam, who was a righteous servant of God,[1] who possessed great mystic knowledge.[2] He was contemporary with Moses,[3] but is not identified as living in Israel or being an Israelite. Although the Qur'an does not mention Khidr as a prophet, other sources list him as one.[4]
Khidr is best known for his appearance in the Qur'an in the 18th chapter, known as The Cave.
Amelia - are you practicing taquiyya or are simply ignorant of what the Qur'an contains?
I am not urging you to read the Qur'an, as many apostates mention that reading the Qur'an was the first step in becoming an apostate. Remember: Allah/Mohammed wants you submissive and ignorant.
Headline says 3 children while artice says 4. Which is it?
I live in Kentucky and have frequent contacts with state representatives so an example of an "Honor Killing" and Sharia Law in my state would be something to make a valid point about to convince our legislators to take action. BUT, as this writer PMK said, April 19, 2011 9:52 AM "What did the children do to merit 'honor killing'? They certainly weren't unfaithful to him." so this does NOT seem like an Honor Killing at all because the children did not bring dishonor to the man's family. Just because a Muslim kills his children doesn't make it any different from a Jew or a Catholic who does the same thing. There are a few exceptions that justify not mentioning a person's religion in a criminal matter and this seems to be one of them.
[...] Verses 60-82 of Sura 18 contain one of the strangest, most arresting stories in the entire Qur’an: that of the journey of Moses and Khidr, one of the great road-trip stories of all time. Moses, traveling with his servant, forgets the fish they had carried along for their meal (vv. 60-64). Returning to retrieve it, they encounter “one of Our servants, on whom We had bestowed Mercy from Ourselves and whom We had taught knowledge from Our own Presence,” (v. 65). In Islamic tradition this man is identified as Al-Khadir or Al-Khidr, or, more commonly, Khidr, “the Green Man.” Some identify him as one of the prophets, others as a wali, a Muslim saint. [...]
Anyway, at the beginning of their encounter, Moses asks Khidr: “May I follow thee,” so that “thou teach me something of the (Higher) Truth which thou hast been taught?” Khidr is leery (vv. 67-68), and finally agrees as long as Moses asks him no questions (v. 70). Moses agrees.
Khidr and Moses then get on a boat, which Khidr immediately scuttles – whereupon Moses breaks his promise for the first time, and upbraids Khidr (v. 71); Khidr reminds him of his promise (vv. 72-73). Shortly thereafter, Khidr murders a young man in an apparently random act, and Moses criticizes him again (v. 74), with the same exchange about the promise then following (vv. 75-76). Finally, Khidr rebuilds a wall that had fallen down in a town that had refused the two hospitality, and Moses scolds him yet again (v. 77), for he could have gotten wages for his action, which the two could have used to buy food and lodging.
Finally Khidr tells Moses that their journey is over, and explains his strange actions. (Muhammad commented: “We wished that Moses could have remained patient by virtue of which Allah might have told us more about their story.”) Khidr damaged the ship because a king is seizing “every boat by force,” but not ones that are unserviceable (v. 79) – presumably the poor owners of the boat could repair it once the king passed by. Khidr killed the young man because he would grieve his pious parents with his “rebellion and ingratitude” (v. 80), and Allah will give them a better son (v. 81). And as for the wall, there was buried treasure beneath it that belonged to boys too young to inherit it at this point — so repairing it gave them time to reach maturity while protecting the treasure from theft (v. 82).
This man is crazy, just like Major Hasan (sarc). These people leave their hell-hole countries behind, only to re-create them here.
1) Is there a functional distinction between Muslim and paranoid schizophrenic?
2) Should either one be considered as mitigation to reduce sentences of murders, particularly ones this vile?
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Detective Brenda Wescott testified that three of the children were found in one room, with the youngest apparently trying to put her thumb in her mouth before she died.
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My God, this *poor little baby*. Can one wonder that she was trying in vain to comfort herself after being mortally wounded by her own father?
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The first witness for the prosecution, Officer James Clark, said Biyad was sitting calmly in the lobby of the police station...
Clark testified that Biyad told his story, in broken English, “matter-of-factly.”
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This isn't a sign of "mental illness", it's a sign of Islam. Those who commit "honor killings", all over the world, are described in similar ways. They are almost always entirely calm when recounting their horrific crimes-because they believe them to be justified in Islamic terms.
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Biyad is not facing the death penalty through an agreement between defense and prosecutors and the maximum sentence he faces is life in prison.
What kind of agreement?
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Something I would like to know, as well. Here's a man who cut the throats of his young children, raped his wife, and tried to beat her to death with a hammer.
If this isn't a case for the death penalty, I don't know what is.
Might the fact that Islam was a motive have anything to do with taking the death penalty off the table? If so, then the state of Kentucky-intentionally or not—is enforcing Shari'ah law.
PMK wrote, replying to Tanstaafl:
Thank you, but it still makes no sense. How could a two-year-old not be on the right path?
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PMK, in the horrific story which Tanstaafl cites, the "Green Man" murders an inoffensive young boy without reason, then chides "Musa" (Moses) for being upset at such unprovoked slaughter. The "Green Man" tells Musa that the boy would have disappointed his parents at some point in the future if he hadn't killed him.
Hence, his murder of the young boy is seen as not just justified, but as a model of exemplary Islamic behavior.
"And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."
So, Amelia, are the Jordanians just completely mis-understanding islam and the qu'ran ? Have they hi-jacked it ?
... "Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."
What *religious* traditions do you think those might be ?
I am appalled this man is not up for the death penalty. Is it morally all right to murder one's three children and attempt to murder and maim ones wife even if she were unfaithful?
What has America become? Is Mr. Obama correct in stating America is no longer a Christian nation but is now a barbaric murderous Islamic nation? I speak with authority on this topic as I was married to a Libyan Muslim research scientist. I chronicle my experience and how I had to smuggle my infant son out of Libya in 1979 in the book A Way In The Wilderness And Streams In The Desert available at amazon.com or www.judithward.org. I also detail what it is like for an American Christian woman to live under the strict rule of Shariah law, a Muslim husband, and the dictator Muammar Gaddaffi. We had three children just like this couple.
It seems we as Americans are losing our identity as a Christian nation. I say rise up America take up the banner of our forefathers, take up the banner of our Savior Jesus Christ and fight this enemy that has crept into our gates. This enemy is killing the identity of American women, therefore, trying to kill America.
Join me by visiting www.judithward.org where you can signup to subscribe to my daily devotional and receive periodic updates in the war to save our nation's identity as a Christian nation.
Honour killings occur in the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent and parts of Central Asia, the practice predates Islam and is a product of certain tribal cultures. Honour killings are not prevalent amongst Muslims from sub-Saharan Africa (haven’t heard of a Malian honour killing) or countries like Brunei, the Maldives, Malaysia, etc. Other than honour killings there is no concept amongst 21st century Muslims that killing your children is okay so I doubt that the idea came to this man by “filtering down” and even honour killings are only found amongst certain *types* of Muslims and are even practiced by non-Muslims of those regions. The Yazidis of Northern Iraq are documented to have committed honour killings; some Sikh honour killings have also been documented.
Yes, a potential schizo murders his children to spite his wife so he must have been inspired by Islam, it’s not possible that schizophrenics of all religions (and no religion) can do crazy things. Google “Robert Donald William Farquharson”, the Australian father who drowned his three sons to spite his ex-wife for leaving him and marrying their handyman. Trust me he was no “mohammeden” unless you want to believe he was practicing “taqiya”.
Female genital mutilation (FGM) is a practice that is common amongst Africans. I knew some Sudanese Dinka who had told me they were mutilated, they weren’t “mohammedens” and neither are the majority of African women who have been subjected to FGM. FGM is unheard of in the Middle East and most Muslim societies outside of Africa. African Christians, animists, sun worshippers, Muslims and whatever else engage in FGM as a cultural practice.
The Quran is the primary source of Islamic laws and guidelines. The Quran has God’s infinite protection and is infallible, Hadith on the other hand are very fallible and were written some 200 years after the Prophet Muhammad’s death. Stoning is not found in the Quran and proponents of the “stoning for adultery” rule cite the Hadith to justify the practice. The Quran takes precedence over any contradictory Hadith and verse (24:2) spells out clearly what is to be done with adulteres/fornicators. The practice of stoning was either derived from Judeo-Christian scripture (read: the Hebrew Bible which condones stoning for various “crimes”) or was practiced by the early Muslims under Mosaic Law until God handed down a Quranic ruling (Quran:24:2) which abolished the practice. Even for those who believe in stoning four sane, reliable Muslim *eye* witnesses must testify to having witnessed actual sexual penetration and a legitimate Islamic authority must carry out the punishment before a group of believers as a deterrence. This man didn’t stone his wife and rumours are explicitly mentioned in the Quran to not count as sufficient to accuse anyone of anything. The Quran is clear that no less than four witnesses are required for a conviction and the punishment is flogging with a hundred lashes. The punishment is harsh so it can be understood that it is an abominable sin and four witnesses are required because anyone who has sex in front of four people is clearly not being very discreet about it and is spreading decadence in a society.
One of the Ten Commandments is to not covet your neighbour’s possessions which include his ass, wife and anything else of his property so a Judeo-Christian wife is a part of her husband’s possessions.
The Green Man is a character in the Quran though there is no chapter named after him and he has nothing to do with killing your children as a comment tried to state. No I am not practicing taqiya though of course responding negatively to a question like that is pointless as you can just keep arguing that I am again using taqiya. Taqiya is a Sh’iah concept. Shi’ah make up between 10 and 13% of all Muslims and as a minority which at times feared persecution they developed the concept of taqiya to protect themselves; taqiya allows them to deny being Shi’ah or Muslim if they fear that they may be persecuted for their beliefs. Taqiya is not “lying to advance Islam” it’s lying to save yourself and in Sunni Islam one who dies because they were killed simply for being Muslim is revered as a martyr.
Oh don’t worry I have read the Quran on numerous occasions, the last time being this morning and I’m still a Muslim. I’ve read about plenty of atheists who left Christianity after reading the Bible I’ve also read about ex-Christian Muslims who did the same.
It’s not Islam it’s the behaviour of a psychopath to have no remorse or guilt and even have some sick pride in their evil deed.
The story of the Green Man is one that I’m familiar with and the man was sent to Moses to teach him patience, trust and the fact that sometimes bad things happen so that greater things can be accomplished. It is not setting any type of precedent other than to be patient and willing to accept that someone may be wiser than you. Moses in the Bible wipes out entire tribes so do Judaism and Christianity condone wiping out entire civilizations to set up your own? Did that “filter down” to the British, Spanish and French when they went around colonizing and wiping out natives of various lands, wiping out entire civilizations, languages, religions, etc? The OT also states that disobedient children must be killed so did that “filter down” to the many Christians who’ve killed their children, guys like Mr. Farquharson?
Jordan’s queen is unveiled, travels alone and shakes hands with men. Three things that hardliners who support honour killings would see as diabolical evil. Does she and the millions of Muslim women worldwide who idolize her misunderstand Islam? Or do the supporters of honour killings misunderstand Islam? There are Christians in the West on both sides of the gay marriage issue and the general issue of gays and their place in Christianity. Mormons would have them excommunicated, the WBC would like to see them executed whilst Anglicans will gladly have them as priests. Which side is misunderstanding Christianity? We can argue like that forever. Alcohol, which is explicitly forbidden in the Quran, is sold widely throughout Jordan, thieves hands aren’t severed and the country is no Saudi Arabia. The Jordanian parliament is a political entity and has its own political ends to meet.
There is no Shari’ah law in Libya and Ghaddafi is a socialist; this site likes to claim that Libya’s opposition is Shari’ah sympathetic so to then claim that Libya is already Shari’ah compliant under Ghaddafi doesn’t make a lot of sense especially when he himself claims that his opponents are extremist Muslims, ex-Guantanamo detainees, Al-Qaeda, etc.
I guess the Founding Fathers forget to add the Christianity part into the constitution because there’s no mention of it and Jefferson did say “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man” and most of the Founding Fathers were most likely deists which completely negates any arguments for America being founded on Christianity.
Amelia wrote:
Oh don’t worry I have read the Quran on numerous occasions, the last time being this morning and I’m still a Muslim.
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That means one of three things. 1) You really have no understanding of how appalling the texts of the Qu'ran are; 2) You perceive that the texts are appalling, but are unable to acknowledge it, and so remain in a deep state of denial, or 3) You do fully realize how appalling the texts of the Qu'ran are, and fully embrace their viciousness.
Which one applies to you?
As a side note, I emailed this article to a reporter at one of my local newspapers. The reporter must have taken exception to this article, because she contacted by employer to complain and now I and my emails are being investigated. My employer has concerns over the "content" of this article. I don't know what that means to them. I'll find out next week. I hope this hasn't happened to other jihadwatch readers.
For Amelia:
The Mormon church doesn't excommunicate church members for having homosexual feelings, ie being gay. If they did they would have to excommunicate church members for having heterosexual feelings. Acting out sexually outside the bounds of marriage might get you excommunicated. The same rules of chastity apply whether you are gay or straight.
As a side note, I emailed this article to a reporter at one of my local newspapers. The reporter must have taken exception to this article, because she contacted by employer to complain and now I and my emails are being investigated. My employer has concerns over the "content" of this article. I don't know what that means to them. I'll find out next week. I hope this hasn't happened to other jihadwatch readers.
For Amelia:
The Mormon church doesn't excommunicate church members for having homosexual feelings, ie being gay. If they did they would have to excommunicate church members for having heterosexual feelings. Acting out sexually outside the bounds of marriage might get you excommunicated. The same rules of chastity apply whether you are gay or straight.
@gravenimage
Unfortunately for you life exists outside of your bigoted world view. I don't belong to any of the three categories you listed so I'd have to opt for a fourth category. Yes, there's a whole world of opinions outside the anti-Islamic blogosphere, believe it or not. I'm almost certain that I have a better understanding of the Quran than you and pretty much everyone who is a regular on this site and I don't find it any more appalling than the various other religious texts I have read.
@WatchinOut
It's no surprise your employer has a problem with an article that originated hate site. So ridiculous is the level of paranoia found on said site that the tragic murder of three innocent children can be used and spun to suit the author's religious bigotry.
Well the LDS Church doesn't recognize gay marriage, does it? I know for a fact that some Anglican congregations do. Which was my point, there are varying opinions found amongst 21st century Christians when it comes to homosexuals and their place in society; now they can't all be right can they? Just as there are varying views amongst Muslims over various different issues. Having homosexual feelings is not a sin in Islam either; you can't commit a sin in your mind, you have to physically do something or in some instances verbally say or express something to commit a sin. That's just obvious.
*It's no surprise that your employer had a problem with an article that originated from a hate site.
Since this site is called "jihad watch" I would like to know how a schizo killing his children and battering his wife is jihad. Perhaps this site should be renamed "Muslim Watch" seeing as that's what it really is. Instead of claiming false scholarship and knowledge why don't you just go down the Stormfront.com path and expose this site for the anti-Muslim hate site that it is. Would a Muslim hijabi crack whore selling crack on a street corner also be committing some form of jihad? "Crack jihad" perhaps? since y'all are all so good at conjuring up conspiracy theories. "Eurabia" and "stealth jihad" are my personal favourites. Why this site is more fun than an Obama birther rally and a truther convention put together, even with the smaller percentage of functioning brain cells.
On the subject of 'honor' murders
http://www.meforum.org/2067/are-honor-killings-simply-domestic-violence
Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?
by Phyllis Chesler Middle East Quarterly Spring 2009, pp. 61-69
This article - written by a Jewish American feminist who has spent her life studying and campaigning against all varieties of family violence and violence of men against women - argues that certain kinds of murders that happen in Muslim families are quite distinct from murders that are carried out by non-Muslim men against non-Muslim spouses or partners.
Islam promotes a certain type of mindset in its men, toward women: a mindset of suspicion, aggression and, worst of all, contempt. That mindset makes marital rape, marital beatings, and violence toward daughters and other female close kin, significantly more prevalent in dar al Islam than such violence is in dar al Harb.
To find a parallel in non-Muslim societies for the excessive and ritualised violence inflicted upon 'honor' murdered girls and women one must look not at family murders but at the murders carried out by psychopathic serial killers.
In her book 'Nine Parts of Desire', published in 1994, Australian journalist Geraldine Brooks, who had spent a lot of time in various parts of the Muslim world and had developed relationships with many Muslim women, cites a British study of family violence that was completed in the early 1990s. It found that (in Britain) women married to Muslim men were *eight times more likely* to be murdered by their spouses, than any other married women in Britain.
And we have had, not so long ago, a report from Pakistan on the prevalence of extremely violent - physically damaging, even life-threatening - marital rape, in Pakistan. There is **nothing** like that happening in Western countries among non-Muslims.
Amelia, dismissing FGM as non-Islamic African cultural custom is disingenuous: she ignores the fact that the Shafiite school of sharia law teaches that it is obligatory to cut out the clitoris - and this school of Sharia prevails in Egypt (pop. 80 million), in Kurdistan, in East Africa (e.g. Somalia) and...Indonesia, which is the world's most populous Muslim country, or at least, the MSM are always telling us that it is. That's an awful lot of Muslim women. There is another school of sharia law that views FGM as a good idea though it doesn't view it as obligatory.
There are four schools of Islamic jurisprudence in Sunni Islam; in descending order in terms of number of adherents worldwide, they are: the Hanafi, the Shafi'i, the Maliki and the Hanbali. Neither schhol believes FGM to be an obligation; the Shafi'i school does believe that if the clitoris is large it should be wholly or partially removed and they have some spurious Hadith to back up their beliefs, though there is a minority present in the Shafi'i school who believe it to be mandatory. The Shafi'i school is followed by a total of 29% of Muslims worldwide and FGM isn't practiced by the majority of even those. The practice occurs in some regions of Indonesia but it is illegal and not widespread. Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, whose views this site often publishes, issued a statement saying that FGM has no basis in Islamic law and should not be practiced as it is harmful. Fatwas banning the practice have also been issued in many Muslim countries by various Islamic bodies.
FGM predates Islam and is believed to have originated in Egypt and the Nile Valley during the time of the Pharoahs.
Most of the Muslim women I know had no idea what FGM was when it was first brought up in our circle of friends, the first person I knew to have undergone FGM was a Sudanese Dinka friend of mine, who was Christian and I knew a few Somali women who also said it was common in Somalia.
FGM is a big issue in Ghana, Kenya, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia and various other predominantly non-Muslim African countries.
'It is important to point out, however, that FGM has also been practiced in the West, and that "the practice of clitoridectomy was actually promoted in the United States and Britain during the 19th and early 20th centuries as a cure for lesbian practices or suspected inclinations, masturbation, hysteria, epilepsy, and nervousness."
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/jc.htm
FGM is not found in the Quran or in the Sunnah so it is safe to say that it is related to cultural practices and regional customs.
Have you read about spousal abuse in India? Forced arranged marriages? Misogynistic cultural practices? It is unfair to compare a Third World society like Pakistan to the West, comparable India has many of the same problems as it's neighbour. The pratice of "Sati" or bride burning claims the lives og hundreds possibly thousands of Indian women every year, the number of women maimed by the practice annually runs well into the thousands.
Soamli!
Even by Muslim standards, Somalis are regarded as primitive.