Michigan: Qur'an-burning Pastor Jones jailed over planned mosque protest

Jailed for planning a protest? How was that even possible in America? For refusing to pay a "peace bond"? Wouldn't the responsibility for any disturbance be upon those who decided to react to whatever Jones was doing by causing the disturbance? Pamela Geller says it here: "The city of Dearborn's position is that Muslims are so violent and irrational that they won't be able to control themselves if Jones holds a protest? And he has to pay for damages? Why wouldn't the marauding Muslim hordes pay the damages if they are doing the damage? And if they get violent, why aren't they in jail?"

She also points out the inconsistency, here: "Terry Jones was sent to jail in Michigan over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. I have seen the most vile displays of subversion, anti-Americanism, Jew-hatred and violence at anti-war rallies during the Bush years. No one said boo. It's free speech. The KKK marches, no one says boo, it's free speech. Monsters protest military funerals, it's free speech. Nazis in Skokie? A-OK. But Islamic jihadis launch the most brutal and bloody attack on America on September 11, 2001, and we haven't stopped apologizing. And now we have turned over our soul, the heart of our freedom."

More on this story. "Pastor Is Jailed in Michigan Over Planned March at Mosque," from the Associated Press, April 22 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) — A Florida pastor at the center of a Koran-burning controversy was jailed briefly for refusing to pay what the authorities called a “peace bond” for a planned demonstration outside a mosque.

The pastor, Terry Jones, whose remarks against Muslims have inflamed anti-Western sentiment in Afghanistan, said he refused to pay the $1 bond because doing so would violate his freedom of speech. He was released from jail hours later after paying the $1....

The bond also prohibited Mr. Jones from going to the mosque or the adjacent property for three years.

Robert Sedler, a constitutional law professor at Wayne State University, said the United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is the police’s job to protect speakers at such events and said it is unconstitutional to require protesters to post a bond for police protection.

A Koran burning in March at Mr. Jones’s church in Gainesville, Fla., caused protests in Afghanistan that killed more than a dozen people. The Wayne County prosecutor, Kym Worthy, said fears that Mr. Jones could incite violent counterprotests led them to court.

Mr. Jones represented himself and told the jury that the mosque, one of the largest in the country, was chosen because his protest was against “a radical element of Islam.”

“All we want to do is walk, demonstrate, protest on an area that already belongs to you, to the city,” he said. “We are not accusing this mosque. We are not accusing the people of Dearborn. We are not accusing all Muslims.”

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It boggles the mind to know that such a travesty of justice could even occur in THIS, our Beloved USA. What is happening? Can a takeover really be this swift and unresisted?

Well, check out the Nazi take-over of Germany. Swift and unresisted.

Terry Jones says, "We are the only country left. We don't know that. We are the only country left with a true 1st amendment. In other countries you can get locked up or killed, in countries like Canada and England..." At this point Judge Somers stops Jones' remarks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Mk7v11j3k&feature=player_embedded

I stand with Terry Jones. If the concern is Islamic violence, the city has an OBLIGATION to protect Jones, not to silence him. This trial is ridiculous and I think it's unconstitutional.

If you want to contact Jones' organization:

For more information, please contact us at 352-371-2487 or info@standupamericanow.org

I'm starting to get really impressed by this Rev. Terry Jones. I initially thought he might just be an attention getting freak but he now seems one of the vanguard, in his way, of getting needed attention to the nature of Islam. He speaks well, he seems intelligent, and he has, as cops use to say, "balls to the walls!".

Anyway he seems to have at least a wrongful arrest lawsuit to win, esp. in view of the recent win by the New Jersey transit worker. More power to him, and shame on the cowardly & un-American Dearborn authorities, who I think are unwittingly helping his cause.

Seems to me the judge should be impeached. He/She is breaking the oath of office in not upholding his first amendament rights. Tar and Feathered, on a rail.

It would be nice to know the "background" of the "authorities" - esp. the prosecutors and the higher-ups in law enforcement.

Let's start a "Burn the Koran Day" in front of your local mosque on July 4th to show our sympathies.

What are the odds that in Dearborn, Michigan the people making the decision to arrest Pastor Jones are Muslims?.

Quite a bit here from the local dhimmis...

http://www.pressandguide.com/

"“All we want to do is walk, demonstrate, protest on an area that already belongs to you, to the city,” he said. “We are not accusing this mosque. We are not accusing the people of Dearborn. We are not accusing all Muslims."

Muslims have no problems protesting on your streets and they usually carry hate message signs and make vile comments and generally behave badly. And they do so in other countries as well.

The only violent people in such protests seem to be the Muslims...


To CGW. There is an excellent article by Pamela on the prosecutor on Atlas Shrugs. As for the Judge his early education was in India where he probably became thoroughly dhimmified ala the Hindus.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/jones-prosecutor-unworthys-alliances.html

Impeach this judge aaaand remove him from the bench!

Sharia law has come to America.

The downfall of the American society continues....

Terry Jones will become a martyr to the cause of upholding freedom of speech. And the cause of free speech, like any cause, will benefit from martyrs. People generally will sympathize and be drawn to the cause, also.
Also, Terry Jones is building up quite a CV in his role of showing how supine and weak America's legal system is when it comes to Islam.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Thanks, Gerald. I'm certain that your speculation is the case.

The fire alarm has been disabled.
"Freedom of expression is our fire alarm--disable it and the House that is the US will burn down."

This decision cannot be allowed to stand. If it isn't cleared up, it justifies the establishment of underground and resistance movements and I ain't kidding.
It ain't gonna be pretty, but it'll be damn prettier than the alternative.

Other alternative and action initiative:
I checked amazon.com and I see that there is a book titled, "Islam For Dummies". A copy and paste,
"Many non-Muslims have no idea that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews, and that Islam preaches compassion, charity, humility, and the brotherhood of man." I'm jingling: Barf-a-roni, the crap islamo treat.

For the decision makers: politicians, judges, law-enforcers, religious leaders, and parrots, we need a book, "Islam For Dhimmis" with the same easy to grasp style about the crap and evil that Islam is. It could also include illustrations on how a dhimmi should act. There is plenty of scope for education and sarco-humor.

Could I do it? Not on my own. Could a collaborative effort of the JWers co-ordinated through Jihad Watch do it? A piece of cake. Could we make money for Jihad Watch? You betcha.

To our English posters. A safer way would be to burn copies of, "Islam For Dummies", and if arrested, say it was in response to the suggestion that the owner of the book was mentally challenged.
Available in the UK at http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_17?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=islam+for+dummies&sprefix=islam+for+dummies


Muslim man quote: "you pull out a cold beer and drink it.. while you watch americans and your targeted people dead."

This is what Muslims think about Christian men in America.

Muslim man quote: "you pull out a cold beer and drink it.. while you watch americans and your targeted people dead."

This is what Muslims think about Christian men in America. When will American Christian MEN STAND UP???

Why is Terry Jones, Wayne Sapp and 2 others the only men in America with the BALLS to STAND UP?????

This is just soooooooooo good. Why? Because we now have evidence from a judge, from the Dearborn Muslims themselves, and from Dearborn’s own Dhimmi-istic officialdom admitting, ADMITTING, that Muslims cannot be trusted to be decent. That they will riot at the drop of a hat or at the tearing of a page from their so-called holy book. This is overt acknowledgment that they all know that Muslims and that which animates them - ISLAM itself - are inherently violent.

And they are so wrapped up in themselves that they don’t even know how America is going to be viewing them.

Neat idea pokermutt. .harmless psycops can keep the issues centre-stage.

There is no question that Pastor Terry Jones has clearly tested the sharia compliant waters of Dearbornistan,Michigan. What is most concerning is where will the next Dearbornistans in America pop up. Already the officers of Dearbornistan,the judge ,the police chief, and the prosecutor have disregarded the US Constitution to the point that even the ACLU recognized Dearbornistan's errors on constitutionality in favor of Islamic supremacy under sharia law.

The behavior of Dearbornistan officials has been on display before after the arrest of Christians for handing out Christian literature on a Dearbornistan street less than 2 years ago because Muslims complained.

having read pamela geller's thread "Jailed Jones Prosecutor "Un-Worthy's" Alliances" in atlas shrugs, left me totally livid.
i find it incredible that this aunt jemima islamophile, can be so brazen as to totally ignore the law of the land, which she is supposed to protect and defend...

on yesterday's thread, (...pastor ordered to stay away...)
pokermutt has opined that "This decision cannot be allowed to stand. If it isn't cleared up, it justifies the establishment of underground and resistance movements and I ain't kidding."

i think this is extremely important as i truly see no other alternative! yes there are minor victories here and there...
this, however is only window dressing and rearranging the deck chairs on the sinking titanic, that the west is.

victory means a heavy boot pressed mercilessly to the neck of any and all muslimes in the west that **DARE** use the west's free speech against those the wish to point out the evil that islam is!

victory means throwing out the garbage!
deportations 'en masse' and very very careful scrutiny of who is being allowed into the west, into our house!!!

victory means severe punishments to all those that do not protect the constitution and instead enable the enemy from within to flourish...haj hussein bin bama comes to mind and 2-3 lifetime sentences for high treason may not be unreasonable for this fraudulent pos.

finally, a complete and total separation of the dar al islam from the kuffar dar al harb is what we should aspire.
islam and the west judeo-christian cultures do. not. mix.
let us not be amongst them , but by god, let them not be amongst us, and if they do...be a wall flower ! understand that the slightest suggestion to 'accomodate' them, wins an immediate no questions asked deportation!

oh! and let us cut down on visual polution...
none of this burka shhhhhhstuff either!

It's obvious that Muslims are now enacting their own law in Dearborn. Free speech zones? In America where free speech is the ultimate constitutional bastion?

What next

Here's what Jones organisation has to say

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/dearborn-sharia-is-much-closer-than-we-thought/

Terry Jones is the primary speaker for ‘Stand Up America Now.’ The organization released the following statement to Action News Saturday morning:
“We posted the bond. We made it very, very clear that we posted this under the greatest protest!

The arrests, the whole proceedings, were a definite violation of our Constitutional rights. As a matter of fact, we were arrested and had not even committed a crime. It is a complete violation of our First Amendment Right of Freedom of Speech.

It was clearly influenced by the mosque. We were told that we were able to present our message in front of one of the “Free Speech Zones”, but we were NOT allowed to present our message in the grassy area in front of the mosque. Thus making it very clear that this is not about our message, and not about us, but about the place. In other words, it is all about the location which is the Islamic Center.

Sharia is much closer than we thought. The judge even made a statement, that if the mosque elders and leadership would have desired the restraints placed on us of not going near the mosque be lifted, then he would have taken that into consideration.

Thus proving that this whole thing is a direct violation of Freedom of Speech and that they are favoring the religion of Islam.

The City of Dearborn used the court as an instrument to prevent our protest from taking place today as scheduled, and has now violated our civil liberties by preventing us from exercising our freedom of speech as planned. We will be in contact with legal representation and plan to protest next week in front of the Islamic Center.”

This protest was against “a radical element of Islam.”

Element? Element?!

Wouldn't the correct word be "radical constituent of Islam?" Or, to keep in simpler, how about "radical basis of Islam?"

*** 8:65 ***

O Mohammed! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred steadfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because Infidels are a folk without intelligence.

To name is to know, to know is to control; to give a false name is to lose control.

The pervasive, false and mandatory premise that there is a moderate core to the Islam belief system is a white flag of surrender waved at the outset of every challenge made to Moslem behavior.

*** 4:142 ***

Surely the Infidels strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them.

We need our news entertainers to wise up, for sure, but for that to happen, we need the leaders of the Resistance, such as they are, to wise up first.

This reminds me of a line from an old movie-----"Reverend, you've got balls as big as church bells"!

"The pastor, Terry Jones, whose remarks against Muslims have inflamed anti-Western sentiment in Afghanistan..."

Complete twaddle. It was taliban associated imams who inflamed the anti western sentiment and taliban fighters in the guise of rioters who killed the NATO and UN staff. The Koran Burning and statments were excuses.

Random Afganis did not just read about what Pastor Jones said and happen to all go berzerk at the same time.

The other attacks against christians across the world that have been falsly blamed on Pastor Jones's actions have really been about the ethnic cleansing of christians.

There have been oodles of koran burning videos on youtube yet nobody's gone berzerk over those. But just after anti defamation measures are passed in the UN people all of a sudden decide to become violently enraged?

NOT A COINCEDENCE.

In Muslim countries the victim is usually the one arrested...

Arrested for planning a protest, eh?

Apparently free speech is no longer guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution.

What's next, Thought Crimes?

Hello London Jim:
Beauty about the psycops.

Here's an illustration I thought of while walking in the park.

The interior of a room with a couple of human heads mounted on the wall. A devout muslim is standing in front a bird cage offering the parrot a human finger. He is smiling as the parrot repeats, "islam is peace", "islam is peace". One could make the parrot look like a politician.

Below the illustration is Cur'an 8:12 edited down to the non-believers, cut heads off, toes and fingers.

Below that a really brief synopsis: Two UN employees had their heads cut off on this date in Afghanistan.

Thought crimes are the hate crimes legislation already enacted and precedented

Ooops a daisy:
"Here's an illustration I thought of while walking in the park."

is better with,

"Here's an illustration I thought of for 'Islam For Dhimmis' while walking in the park."

PFG, YOU THINKCRIMINAL! I ACCUSE YOU! DOWN WITH ENEMIES OF UMMA!!

--J. Quislamist Lousewort

WTF, appeal the friggin' decision, and, if need be, take it all the way to the Supreme Court!

Let's all vow to burn a Koran publicly at least once a moth in whichever city we live.

Also, let's vote all jihad-friendly judges, congressmen, and senators (McCain and and Graham included) out of the office, and, most importantly, let's boycott all Muslim owned businesses, and let Muslims know that they are not welcome in America.

Let's make a war on Islam right here in America.

"What's next, Thought Crimes?"

P.R.E.C.I.S.E.L.Y...(!!!)

courreges hit the nail on the head when replying to cgw's question " Can a takeover really be this swift and unresisted?"

Courreges W replied to comment from CGW | April 23, 2011 6:02 AM | Reply
Well, check out the Nazi take-over of Germany. Swift and unresisted.

folks! we cannot. must not, allow this to happen!
take a few moments look at your child/ren or grandchildren and imagine.
just imagine...
seeing them in full muslime regalia..

suzie (now aisha)in a blue burkha, begging for some alms (in spite of the fact that just a few short years ago she was the class valedictorian and graduated suma cum laude...)

joe (now youssuff)has just returned from the mosque and is proceeding to beat suzie/aisha (his cousin)to a pulp ...

folks! as crazy as it sounds, i am afraid it is not so farfetched.....

Hello phoenix:
Good repost. Something in there for, "Islam For Dhimmis".

Phoenix and Courreges:
For the before/after illustrations in "Islam For Dhimmis".


"islam and the west judeo-christian cultures do. not. mix."

Islam cannot MIX with anything - Shites killing Sunni -

Father Killing Daughter, etc,

So many Muslims have the 7th Century Mentality and cannot adapt to a civilized society..Believe as "I" do or else..

IMAM - "Send me your 12 year old daughter this evening, We will Marry, I will divorce in the AM and send her back to you!!"

I must dissent from the accolades accorded to this no-'count peckerwood preacher. His puerile publicity stunt was pounced on by the "mainstream" media last fall, while those same media almost completely ignored our well-attended and inspiring protest at Ground Zero on Sept. 11. Then, when he carried it out later, the Muslim-world media and the Mohammaden clerics pounced on it to incite riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere. What good is all this doing the Counterjihad? Is it educating the public to the contents of the Qur'an, as Robert Spencer's books and this site so assiduously do? No -- it is in fact distracting the public from serious criticism of the Muslim world-view and enabling the Muslim/"liberal" media to paint us all as Baptist bozos in the Terry Jones mold. This guy is nothing but a creation of those media to serve their own invidious ends and he should be scorned.

OT

Muslim Brotherhood calls for Sharia law, 'punishments' in Egypt

CAIRO — The Muslim Brotherhood has gone public with its stance on Islamic rule in Egypt.

Leading Brotherhood members have called for Egypt to come under Islamic law similar to that in Saudi Arabia. The appeal came during interviews as well as rallies by the Brotherhood just months after the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak in February.

"The implementation of the Islamic Sharia punishments comes after taking over the territory," Brotherhood deputy general guide Mahmoud Izzat said. "The punishments have to be implemented after Islam enters the lives, ethics, and dealings of the people."
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2011/me_egypt0479_04_22.asp

Pastor Jones can exercise his right to free speech and will be arrested. His freedom, treasure and energies are now, today, tied up fighting The Slaves of Allah. De facto dhimmitude, triumphing for whatever period of time it takes to weave it's way through the courts, is the reality on the ground. The second class Pastor Jones feels himself subdued and was forced into submission by the enablers/agents of Shariah law. DOJ gave a Muslim thug a fee pass when he intimidated voters. Same is true for terrorist fundraisers. What are Pastor Jones' chances he will recieve a fair shake and those that prosecute him will be held accountable?

Am I the only who misses the irony of Jones going on trial and to jail in Dearborn for attempting to exercise his constitutional rights to free speech and freedom of assembly, while Muslims demonstrate freely outside the courthouse against his presence?

Pokermutt, et al ... There's no need to collectively write a book like "Islam for Dhimmis" ... Robert's "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" is the perfect primer. It's readable, as relevant now as when it was written, and goes deep enough with source material to get the average JWer pointed to more detailed books, etc. I carry the paperback version along with me on travels to keep sharp. My assumption is that at least 1/2 of the posters on this board have read this book. Am I right?

Here's the latest American Quisling's:

Judge Mark W. Somers
http://www.cityofdearborn.org/government/courts/175-judge-somers

Robert, you should start a Quisling Hall of Fame list.


Judge Mark Somers can be emailed via:

http://www.cityofdearborn.org/component/contact/12-contacts/5-mark-somers

He could probably use a few reminders about the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and upholding the law.

He still has constitutional rights doesn't he?

Pokermutt, here is a quick cover idea for the book

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/islamfordhimmies.jpg/

:~)

I hope Terry Jones takes this to the Supreme Court. I, for one, will be e-mailing him and telling him that I'll happily contribute to a fund to pay for a skilled lawyer. I recommend others do the same. Media outlets are working overtime to make Terry Jones feel alone, so let's tell him ourselves that we're behind him.

Michigan: Qur'an-burning Pastor Jones jailed over planned mosque protest
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This man *was jailed*? For just *planning a protest*? **In the United States of America**?

I didn't think most acts of dhimmitude in the West could much shock me any more, but *this does*.

How have Pastor Jones' fundamental rights *not been violated here*?

More:

Jailed for planning a protest? How was that even possible in America? For refusing to pay a "peace bond"? Wouldn't the responsibility for any disturbance be upon those who decided to react to whatever Jones was doing by causing the disturbance?
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***Yes***. It wasn't Terry Jones or any of his fellow protesters who threatened violence, or were even suspected by the authorities of disturbing the police. It was Muslims.

Yet it is not the Muslims who were jailed or fined.

More:

Pamela Geller says it here: "The city of Dearborn's position is that Muslims are so violent and irrational that they won't be able to control themselves if Jones holds a protest?
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Ms. Geller is right. Why aren't "moderate Muslims" protesting their characterization as mindless violent thugs? Probably because it has proven pretty useful for them...

More:

She also points out the inconsistency, here: "Terry Jones was sent to jail in Michigan over a planned protest outside the largest Islamic Center in the U.S. I have seen the most vile displays of subversion, anti-Americanism, Jew-hatred and violence at anti-war rallies during the Bush years...
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So true. It all works one way. And it's not just the left—some of the most vicious protests have come from Muslims themselves—especially in Britain and Europe where they have a larger presence. Previous protests have seen signs calling for a "The Black Flag of Islam" to fly over the White House and 10 Downing Street, for a "New 9/11", and to "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".

All this seems to be OK with Western authorities.

More:

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) — A Florida pastor at the center of a Koran-burning controversy was jailed briefly for refusing to pay what the authorities called a “peace bond” for a planned demonstration outside a mosque.
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A "peace bond"—as insurance to pay for others who *would attack him*. We are *deep* in Orwellian territory here.

More:

The pastor, Terry Jones, whose remarks against Muslims have inflamed anti-Western sentiment in Afghanistan, said he refused to pay the $1 bond because doing so would violate his freedom of speech. He was released from jail hours later after paying the $1....

The bond also prohibited Mr. Jones from going to the mosque or the adjacent property for three years.
...................................

More and more Orwellian—he was forced to pay a bond for costs incurred for a protest that he was then prohibited from even holding.

The only "alternative" for Jones was to languish in jail. It is clear that if he had then tried to hold the protest that he had posted the bond for, that he would have been arrested and again sent to jail.

And don't let that legal sleight-of-hand in charging him $1 fool you—the authorities in Gainesville, Florida wanted to charge him $100,000 for extra police protection *even though he didn't burn the Qu'ran at the time*.

For those not familiar, this is the full price of *a small home* in south Florida. The idea that a church with a congregation of about 50 could possibly pay this without bankrupting themselves is impossible.

Jones has refused to pay, but he may still be on the hook to pony up. I haven't been able to find an update on this story.

More:

Robert Sedler, a constitutional law professor at Wayne State University, said the United States Supreme Court has ruled that it is the police’s job to protect speakers at such events and said it is unconstitutional to require protesters to post a bond for police protection.
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**Yes**. Why don't Gainesville, Florida, and Dearborn, Michigan understand this fundamental American right?

More:

A Koran burning in March at Mr. Jones’s church in Gainesville, Fla., caused protests in Afghanistan that killed more than a dozen people.
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B*llsh*t. This was not simple cause and effect—burn a Qu'ran in Florida, UN aid workers' heads fall off half-way 'round the world in Afghanistan.

Somewhere in there there had to be homicidal Muslims who made the decision to riot and kill.

More:

The Wayne County prosecutor, Kym Worthy, said fears that Mr. Jones could incite violent counterprotests led them to court.
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Now Muslims know that threatening violence works, *even in the United States of America*. Where will it end? Not with Pastor Jones' planned protest, certainly. If Muslims decide that hearing church bells will "incite" them, will they be silenced? If Muslims decide that unveiled women walking the streets will "incite" them, will those women be confined to their homes lest they "disturb the peace"?

If the existence of courts in America such as the one Wayne County prosecutor Kym Worthy works for "incite" Muslims, will they be replaced with Shari'ah courts?

Of course, with verdicts like these, that may not be necessary. This court has been all too able to enforce dhimmitude itself...

JoBeth wrote, quoting the news story:

Terry Jones says, "We are the only country left. We don't know that. We are the only country left with a true 1st amendment. In other countries you can get locked up or killed, in countries like Canada and England..." At this point Judge Somers stops Jones' remarks.
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The moronic dhimmi tool Judge Somers just proved Pastor Jones wrong—*by proving you can be silenced and locked up in America, as well*.

Why isn't she ashamed by this? Did she fail to understand what he was saying?

Thanks for the link to the local paper, the Press and Guide, logdon:

http://www.pressandguide.com/

The story was not really comprehendable:

"Upwards of 300 people showed up to hear speakers that included Publisher of The Arab American News Osama Siblani"

[Siblani said] "we believe in democracy and we believe in freedom of speech.”

The logical consequence of the statement is that the demonstrators should be marching in favor of Terry Jones' appearance.

They do say in the story that if Terry Jones changes his message to agree with the demonstrators, he will be welcome to speak.

Are the brains of these people so addled that they don't see their prevarications and double-think statements are not obvious?

I tried to register an account with the Press and Guide to point out the inconsistencies of the statement. For some reason, the local paper does not seem to be accepting new registrations today. I guess the Dearborn community is pulling together to promote group-think.

"And he has to pay for damages?" -- Pamela

This tops the cake to all the other madness surrounding this event ...

this is really adding insult to injury...
sort of like the family of an executed prisoner, being billed for the bullet...

A pathetic display of intolerance, senseless killings all over the world (just 8 innocent UN workers killed in Afghanistan today) is always shown in the Moslem world, and even if I do not agree with
the Pastorś actions, I salute his right to burn the book as well as
to protest at a Mosque. This is the United States of America, where we
have a bill of rights, freedom of speech and the press, as opposed to
the UK, Canada, most of Europe where the apologists and islamists have all but destroyed these freedoms. The Moslem world must grow
up and realize that opinions are just opinions; if the prophet and Allah are great, who cares what people say or do to a book? We never
see anyone dying or being burned on the street when a Bible or Torah or Hindu book is destroyed.

This is apalling enough on principle, so let's not go for the cheap headline and discredit ourselves. Terry Jones was jailed for failing to pay a $1 peace bond. He chose not to pay a dollar in order to gain the notoriety of being jailed for his beliefs. Terry Jones isn't a victim of the judicial process, except in the abstract sense

I've made this point elsewhere, but we need to drop Terry Jones like a radioactive hot potato. The fact that he chose to commemorate Good Friday by trying to aggressively get in the face of Muslims means he is no Man of God. This is a completetly unacceptable way to observe Good Friday. It's more like a desecration of Good Friday, and any observant Christian knows this.

If you want to get up in arms about the doings in Dearborn Michigan, take up the case of the kids who were arrested for prosletyzinf Christianity at a Muslim event that was clearly meant to proselytize Islam. These kids were true victims of the system ... and a far more sympathetic case than Terry Jones

I personally am inspired by the Pastors bravery, and given the chance would proudly shake his hand, but he really needs to beef up his knowledge of Islam. Watching him speak on a panel on my local news station was downright painful, as the opposition easily made him seem foolish and uninformed. If only he had the knowledge and guile of Spencer or Geller, but then I doubt the panel would have even invited him in the first place were that the case.

Dear Lennie,
You are not going to be able to drop him and others like him, even if you want to. He and others will continue to be in the news. It will continue to be a free speech issue.

I don't agree that "all observant Christians" think verbal or symbolic confrontation is no way to spend Good Friday. JC could sometimes be very verbally confrontational.

Anyway, burning one's own copy of the Qur'an is utterly different from calling for the state or mobs to burn all Qur'ans. In a world full of death threats against those journalists, artists, teachers, and politicians who dare to criticize the Qur'an, burning one's own copy is analogous to toppling a statue of Mao, Stalin, or Hitler. It's an act of defiance to a tyrant. It's a demand for freedom of thought, speech, and conscience.

"courreges hit the nail on the head when replying to cgw's question " Can a takeover really be this swift and unresisted?"

Courreges W replied to comment from CGW | April 23, 2011 6:02 AM | Reply
Well, check out the Nazi take-over of Germany. Swift and unresisted."

Thanks,Phoenix. But, I wish I wasn't right. Unfortunately I am - we must STOP ISLAM just as we stopped FASCISM AND NAZISM. AND WE MUST DO IT NOW.

I agree with you about the case of Acts 17, David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi. Their case against Dearborn is still going through the courts, isn't it?

Woops, "guile" was the wrong choice of words on my part. I simply intended to say they are well spoken and convey their message expertly (something I could apparently use some practice on). Sorry!

Uh, Lennie - you're completely wrong.

Bravo Pastor Jones!

I suggest we drop YOU like a radioactive hot potato. In fact, what BETTER day than Good Friday?! OH yes the Pastor is a Man of God, Jesus.

Totally acceptable! You're the Desecrator.

Get "in the face of Muzlims" - Bravo! ANY DAY OF THE YEAR.

"Judge Mark Somers can be emailed via:"

http://www.cityofdearborn.org/component/contact/12-contacts/5-mark-somers

Did so. Everyone - you must.

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

......

dear courreges,

we cannot remain silent!
we must not allow the muslimes any slack
it is really a fight for life and death...and as such, we MUST go for the jugular!!!
and what this means is that as i have posted before here and on other threads, they cannot use our liberties against us. see the "VIDEO: Muslims Praising Allah for Jailing of Jones, "He Got Lucky" in pamela geller's blog....
all these self assured smurking muslimes should be rounded up and thrown to hell out of u.s. to a sharia friendly country such as saudi arabia or yemen or WHATEVER!

Papa, more than once you've belittled this pastor for not carrying out his original Qur'an burning date. Jones had Obama, Hillary, Petraeus, and the FBI on his back, and I'm sure the pressure was great.

He may not have the style of Robert Spencer, but he's taking the fight to the enemy within our borders. He's taken the fight to Satan himself. I am Catholic, and there's no doubt that Pastor Jones disagrees with much of my doctrine. But I pray for this patriot every day.

Many of you include disclaimers whenever you mention him. "He's a kook, but..." I won't do that. Jones has stood up for our constitutional freedoms and he's to be commended. I hope he sues the city of Dearborn into bankruptcy.

You're exactly right.

"Many of you include disclaimers whenever you mention him. "He's a kook, but..." I won't do that. Jones has stood up for our constitutional freedoms and he's to be commended. I hope he sues the city of Dearborn into bankruptcy."

Agree completely. Terry Jones is sane, rational, brave, and 100% correct.

Maybe if he looked like Pierce Brosnan or Daniel Craig he wouldn't be called a "kook."

The fact that he chose to commemorate Good Friday by trying to aggressively get in the face of Muslims means he is no Man of God. This is a completetly unacceptable way to observe Good Friday. It's more like a desecration of Good Friday, and any observant Christian knows this.

^^^^^^
Good Friday is the observance of the death of Jesus Christ for the redemption of the world. Jones gets this, and you obviously don't.

Islam teaches that Jesus faked his death. Islam removes Jesus from His throne and places Him in a blasphemic role, that of a minor "prophet" whose job it was to herald Mohammed.

You can be lukewarm and be spat out of the mouth of God. Pastor Jones recognizes evil and understands the truth. He's a million times more righteous than a coward like you.

With whom do you think Jesus is happier? Pastor Jones, who awaits his return, or the Dearborn Muslims who have persecuted His followers because they hate Christ themselves?

Brava/o Medina. Right on.

dear medina,

i agree with you 1000%!
few of us have the eloquence of spencer, or the concise and unambiguous expression of allen west. nonetheless, we can feel extremely strongly about the subject even if ridiculed for the style of delivery...

ann barnhardt, in her nononsense reply to the dhimmi senator graham @ 3:53 addressed this very issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqtYkd2gCs

The muslims in Dearbornistan must be pretty pleased with themselves today. What's happening in Dearborn is right out of the islamic playbook for conquest.

First they immigrate (read, invade) and form their own enclave within the host country. Then they infiltrate public positions (police chief Ron Haddad?), claiming to be a "privilieged minority." Word gets out and more muslims populate the "muslim friendly" colony. They gig the system, eating-up entitlements while they procreate for allah. They build a mosque, attracting even more colonists. Now they're "members of the community." As such they preach "interfaith understanding" to assuage the gullible and when their numbers are sufficient they can intimidate the rest. The above process goes rinse-and-repeat until they ARE the community. Now they have their state-within-a-state where they can dictate to the locals, defend their "turf," and decide the law for themselves. And we get Acts 17 and Terry Jones.

I don't think Jones is the greatest spokesman for the anti-jihad. But I do give him credit for confronting the beast in its lair. But this isn't really about Terry Jones. It's about the town formerly known as Dearborn. It's about what can happen in anytown USA if it's not STOPPED NOW...

Thank you Medina,
I agree with you 100%. Terry Jones is a man of GOD, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Here is the next protest:
http://www.standupamericanow.org/press-release/2011/04/press-release-update-dr-terry-jones-protest-dearborn-mi?fbu=1309671543

Stand Up America with Dr. Terry Jones
‎"I was totally shocked. I could not believe it," Jones said of his arrest. "Even the police who put the handcuffs on us were shocked." On Friday, April 29, he will hold a protest at 5 pm outside Dearborn City Hall. Jones wants to stay within the confines of the law. The issue has now shifted from "radical Islam" to a battle to protest the First Amendment. "We're getting support from all around America," said Jones.

Go on Facebook and show your support for the upcoming Protest:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/event.php?eid=169583799763564

And go on StandUpAmericaNow and hit LIKE:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Stand-Up-America-with-Dr-Terry-Jones/152854321414642

Jones isn't crazy or crazed for media attention. Jones has balls in a sea of IPad-engrossed-Starbucks-guzzling eunuchs. Same thing goes for Ann Barnhardt and her no holds barred response to Muslim-Ass-Kissing moron Graham and his monumentally retarded comment, "Free speech is a great idea, but we're in a war." With idiots like The-Man-Without-A-Birth-Certificate in the oval office appointing Sonia-The-Text-Book-Example-of-Affirmative-Action's-Corrosive-Influence-on-Academic-Excellence-Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, available options to squelch the nearly all-encompassing socialist movement to destroy our freedoms are running out. I say, if they want to live here, they must be sterilized first. Period. There's nothing as effective as hacking off the source of all that useless testosterone to transform an enraged idiot to a docile idiot. After nearly 1000 years of systematically castrating Africans they captured and sold into slavery, I'm sure the Muslims wouldn't mind being on the receiving end of a rusty, gangrene-inducing blade.

Well said George..(So ironic..Just saw that Pure Michigan ad on the toob..)..Cheers G..

Hello and my thanks to Mr Sanity and London Jim as well:
I thought it was a good idea because it wouldn't be heavy reading, the illustrations would be interesting, and etc. It would be designed for people who don't have a lot of time or who recoil at reading a heavily texted book. I have self-published two books meself.

And then one gets deflated by a comment from blues4allah:

"Pokermutt, et al ... There's no need to collectively write a book like "Islam for Dhimmis" ... Robert's "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" is the perfect primer. It's readable, as relevant now as when it was written, and goes deep enough with source material to get the average JWer pointed to more detailed books, etc. I carry the paperback version along with me on travels to keep sharp. My assumption is that at least 1/2 of the posters on this board have read this book. Am I right?"

Yeah man, you're real right. And it seems like you're talking to the choir. I'm talking about a book that an uninformed-on-islam person can take to the can while taking a dump. Yeah, it's readable, but it would also have -illustrations, Cur'an extracts,and a synopsis of
Cur'an-inpired-muslim atrocity stories. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
What's more, I think a collaborative endeavor would be wonderful.

Mr Sanity, I went to the link. It's a good one. Maybe for the US edition, we could have Uncle Sam pointing with a big finger at the reader and the words, "Dhimmi or Dead".

Oops a daisy.
have Uncle Sam pointing with a big finger at the reader and the words, "Dhimmi or Dead".

should be

"...have Uncle Sam pointing with a big finger at the reader and the words, "Warning: Dhimmi or Dead".

Hello Mr Sanity:
I got a bit hot under the collar from the one poster and only did a cursory look at the link. I did a retake. Did you do that yourself? If you did, you're are on my radar. Congrats.

When I talk about those illustrations, they would have a sick sarco-humor to them which is no problem when it comes to Islam, even in the US: honor killings, head chopping as recently happened in the US, and more to come.

Hi St. Patrick,

"Pure Michigan," what a hoot! Brought to you by the same folks who did "Pure Pakistan," and "Pure Somalia?" This whole ugly muslim-business is so thick with irony that you could cut it with a fork. Growing up in this country I could never have imagined we'd come to this. We just have to shake our heads, set our jaws and resist this scourge any way we can. Anything less and we dishonor our forebears and condemn our descendants.

Take care, St. Patrick and Happy Easter to you and yours!

G

The military had better be programming GPS coordinates into their new predator drones for Dearborn.

They'll need them in the future.

Thanks George..Right at back ya..
I went to Detroit as a young'un around '67..Dad was born in Windsor..I'm Canadian (Quebec ha!)and have many many relatives mostly in Michigan with two Civil War (North) descendants..Boblo was great but now it's gone.Sadly just like Detroit.
Don't blame ya for losing (omitting) your sense of humour on this one..ttyl.

Yes pokermutt, it's my work.

here is a quick US version
http://img822.imageshack.us/i/islamfordhimmiesusa.jpg/

To Mr. Spencer:

It would have been much better for the anti-jihad efforts if you had been in the role of the public face of the defender of free speech against suppression by the Islamists, but now it seems the mustachioed pastor will be in that position.

I provided a detailed analysis and recommendations in numerous comments shortly prior to, and after, your event last September 11, but my comments did not find a receptive audience.

What I had predicted would happen to anyone who uses the First Amendment effectively against the Islamists is now happening to the pastor. He is becoming a national hero, he is getting a great deal of FREE high quality legal support, even the ACLU is on his side, and all of this is happening almost overnight.

As I had predicted, your event on September 11 had little long-term impact.

It is not too late for you to grab the reigns, if you wish. I suggest a nationwide campaign in Muslim heavy universities, Muslim communities, around mosques, etc. to EXPOSE ISLAM BY LIMITING YOURSELF TO THE UGLIEST AND MOST DEVASTATING FACTS, without using adjectives, name calling, or personal attacks directed at anyone, and without stretching or distorting the truth even one iota. Invite Muslims to reconsider whether they really want to follow their traditions. EXPRESS NO OPINIONS OF YOUR OWN, BUT INVITE THE LISTENER TO FORMULATE HIS OR HER OWN OPINION.

When you are denied your free speech rights, you will have the upper hand.

If you don't do it, somebody else might, and that person is likely to be less effective than you would be. You can get seed funding for the initial effort from Christian groups, churches, sympathetic Jewish groups, etc.

@Arthur

That this pastor came to prominence is a fluke. If you do some research, you'd see how it unfolded.

As for the Pastor -- Jones started out a clown and unfocused, his press statements a mess, but these days his statements are exactly on target and well-considered. This goofball has been emerging as a well spoken hero of free speech. He must be getting some professional coaching or something, not to take anything away from him. Read his quotes in recent stories. These are well crafted soundbytes.

One can only wonder who might be coaching Pastor Jones?

A slightly more professional US version (if still small) for pokermutt

http://img863.imageshack.us/i/islamfordhimmiesusa2.jpg/

Always willing to spend a few minutes messing around on this kind of stuff :~)

Sent the following to Judge Somers:

Judge Somers

I would like to think your absurd rulings have been motivated by a desire for comity, rather than from your being simply another politician in judicial robes.

I am a California voter, and an expatriate living in Indonesia, so my voice is of no importance in the context of Dearborn politics.

However, I would like you to know that where I live, minorities are in fear of Islam on a permanent basis. Murder is common, and intimidaton is constant.

The authrioties here use exactly the same reasoning to prohibit Christians from worshipping, that you have used to abrogate Mr. Jones' constitutional right to free expression: It might inflame muslims,and result in violence - by muslims.

Leaving aside theh logical fallacy here - punish the victim, not the bully - it is shameful that a court in the world's foremost democracy would act in the same manner as do those here in a very imperfect "democracy," with a history of auhoritarian rule, and a legal system based on Napoleanic law with fiat rule by officals and judciary.

Your utter disregard for the Anglo-Saxon legal tradition is what is most troubling here.

Patrick Strei

I must dissent from the accolades accorded to this no-'count peckerwood preacher. His puerile publicity stunt was pounced on by the "mainstream" media last fall, while those same media almost completely ignored our well-attended and inspiring protest at Ground Zero on Sept. 11. Then, when he carried it out later, the Muslim-world media and the Mohammaden clerics pounced on it to incite riots in Afghanistan and elsewhere. What good is all this doing the Counterjihad? Is it educating the public to the contents of the Qur'an, as Robert Spencer's books and this site so assiduously do? No -- it is in fact distracting the public from serious criticism of the Muslim world-view and enabling the Muslim/"liberal" media to paint us all as Baptist bozos in the Terry Jones mold. This guy is nothing but a creation of those media to serve their own invidious ends and he should be scorned.
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This preacher is doing more for the counter-jihad than some of the other protests have done. The problem isn't people like Pastor Terry Jones, the problem is the media has distorted our position to make us look bad.

When Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer protested on 9/11 the media minimized the protest which vastly outnumbered the pro-GZ mosque protesters. Their view was one sided and slanted

When Pastor Terry Jones threatened to burn the Quran that got everyone's attention in a big way. It is not the kind of attention we really want to draw to the issue since most of us would rather have people READ and understand the bigotry and hatred in the Quran.

We would rather have people understand why Muslims are rioting over cartoons, beheading their wives and killing their daughters over words in a book. When those words are pointed out, its hard for Muslims to deny the bigotry and hatred. The news media isn't here to support us and they never will. It is not in line with their world view of Islam being peaceful.

The actions by Pastor Terry Jones has shown the world that Muslims are willing to act violently in response to our Freedom of Speech and speaking out against Islam. It has also shown that the Media and Leftists in the Judicial system are quite willing to deny your Freedom of Speech rights when Muslims threaten to be violent in response. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you at this point, then all is already lost. What we need to do is to JOIN Pastor Terry Jones in this fight against Islamic encroachment.

Ann Barnhardt and Pastor Terry Jones are sticking their necks out for our Freedoms. What the heck are you doing about it?

The world needs all the help it can get, and this guy is doing some things that are needed, at the right time, and in the right places. Some may differ with his approach, but his efforts are hitting the targets, and really getting attention.

He's not a kook, his mission is in the name of love.

May God guide him to serve the cause on this holiday of Easter.

Mr Sanity:
Really fine work and thank you. Your creative effort helped to restore a measure of sanity in myself. I am saving it to my file. Man, you are quick.

Celebrity blogger and internet star, Danios of LoonWatch.com, has once again stirred up a hornet's nest, suggesting that Jesus desired violence and disagreeing with the notion that "Jesus, unlike Muhammad, loved his enemies."

Says Danios: "Anti-Muslim demagoguery relies on the demonization of the Prophet Muhammad, who is characterized as being especially violent and warlike. This idea has certainly gained currency in the “Judeo-Christian West.” When it is pointed out that the Biblical prophets–including Moses, Joshua, Samson, Saul, David, among many others–were far more violent and warlike (and even engaged in religiously sanctioned genocide), anti-Muslim pro-Christian ideologues will respond by disregarding or downplaying the Old Testament and will instead focus on the personality of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

Didn’t Jesus preach nonviolence and “loving one’s enemies”? The anti-Muslim ideologues use this idea to assault the religion of Islam with. For example, the Catholic apologist Robert Spencer compares Islam to Christianity by juxtaposing carefully selected quotes from Jesus to Islamic texts.

Danios goes on to say that "while he was a persecuted prophet, Jesus advocated nonviolence and peaceful resistance. Once in power, however, this changes dramatically and violent warfare becomes the new modus operandi."

"If Jesus had been given a position of governmental authority, he would have begun the process of liquidating and subjugating his enemies. We know this from his own words. If he had had the chance, he would complete the same holy war legacy that started from Moses......"

To read this explosive article in its entirety or to let Danios know what you think of him, visit LoonWatch.com now or click through the following link:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/jesus-loves-his-enemies-and-then-kills-them-all/


Regards,

Patriot.

Peace Bonds and Free Speech Zones. Welcome to the border provence of Dearborn.

The court reporter was wearing a head wrapping!

"The Europeanization of America"

[Excerpt]:


"Five years ago I said we were roughly a decade behind Europe, and we were. But then we elected Barack Hussein Obama as our Dhimmi-in-Chief, and after that we caught up very quickly. We’ve all but closed the gap between United Socialist America and the EUSSR, and Mr. Obama is working very hard to finish the job, and maybe even pull ahead of the EUniks."


http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/europeanization-of-america.html


Ann Barnhardt and Pastor Terry Jones are sticking their necks out for our Freedoms. What the heck are you doing about it?

Here's what I did about it when the mainstream media were censoring themselves during the Danish Muhammad cartoon jihad in 2006: I wrote two articles for my paper analyzing the matter and excoriating the timorousness of American editors and producers who refused to print or televise the offending images, and when my editors did the same in response to my demands that some of the cartoons be run with my writings I resigned in protest -- sacrificing a career I loved and a paycheck I needed for our freedoms. In contrast, the no-'count peckerwood preacher has made a big name for himself in the media and doubtless garnered much funding for his pissant organization with his publicity stunts, and as far as I can tell, has sacrificed exactly nothing for our cause. He is a worthless, parasitic creature, and one who can't even handle a gun safely -- as witness this story:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/22/koran-burning-pastors-gun-discharges-outside-detroit-tv-station/

I say again: Terry Jones is nothing but a creation of the Muslim/"liberal" media to serve their own invidious ends. He should be scorned.


The city fathers of Dearborn have proved the lie of Islam: Islam is not a religion of peace and where Islam goes, fear, intimidation and violence will ALWAYS follow.
Of course we can't blame those same city fathers for fearing that their city would be burned to the ground and their citizens slaughtered in the streets and in their beds. The lessons of history and current events are sufficient demonstrations of that inevitability.
Once Islam becomes established the fear, intimidation and violence does not end as these are the tools used by Shariah to keep the population in line.
For all practical purposes Dearborn's city fathers have kissed the Constitution goodbye. Even though Jones is not a sympathetic 'martyr,' as some have pointed out in this commentary, he has brought the danger to national attention so that Americans can understand: Islam comes in, Constitutional rights are suspended and then abrogated in favor of international law and eventually Sharia.
Certainly this country will go up in flames if the Sharia movement spreads. One wonders if there is jail space for all the millions of protestors that could rise up in defense of the Constitution? Ironically, the fines could go a long way to settle the national debt. But then again that amount would be offset to pay the salaries of the National Guard units that would be called out to quell the "rebellion."
Obviously Jones isn't the real culprit. Instead the culprits will be those that would riot and slaughter because of the burning of a book. And certainly, as shown by the beheadings of the UN workers I'm Afghanistan because of events many thousands of miles away, rioting and slaughter could happen in any community, at any moment across the world ... and throughout the Unites States ... with the pretext of avenging Jones's act.
Spencer and others, including sages throughout history, have warned that this would happen. Unfortunately no one wanted to listen.

The Pastor Jones proves to be rational and stands solid on his moral ground. His clarity on this issue, unlike many of his co-religionists, ought to be commended.

I am nearly 68 years old, and 11 years ago I NEVER would have dreamed, that the America which I grew up in, would have so greatly fallen into the rubble, the waste, and the mire in which she now she now finds herself in. Much, Much, more died on 911 than the 3000+ souls which were so horrifically snuffed out by the cunning, deceitful, treacherous, group of vipers, for I will NOT call them men, but rather I will call them and their vicious act, COWARDS,for it was as cowards they carried out their barbaric deed.

Yes, I will go on record as saying that along with the murdered mass of Americans who died on that day, that the fighting spirit which made America once great must have been killed within the hearts of most of her people at the same time. HEAR ME OUT! I do know that there are yet among us are many who have the courage to fight back, but for the MOST of what is here in America today is the Summer Soldier and the Sunshine Patriot. What will it take to get the people of this nation to stand up against this ever encroaching cancer which does not sleep, does not slow down, and does not relent in its digestion of the heart of our Nation? Oh God Almighty, give us another George Washington, another Benjamin Franklin, another Thomas Jefferson, and another Patrick Henry! May they come forward to stir up the hearts of this sleeping giant!

Wake up! America! Wake up! You Soldiers of this land, and fan the fire of freedom across this nation once more. God, give us direction and give us the boldness and courage to stand and fight against the terror which strikes with stealth and without warning, and enable us to stand forth to fight for the freedom of this land and the lives of our families. Help us Oh God to proceed with boldness against that evil which daily threatens every aspect of our lives; and strengthen our hands in the struggle against that which seeks to take both our freedom and our lives; and this I pray in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord; Amen, and amen.

dear david,

your post touched my heart on so many levels.
i do understand your anguished cry for the people to WAKE UP!! i have said the same on many ocasions.
nonetheless, do not despair my friend.
i am certain that no matter how corrupt and criminally bias the msm is, while whitewashing the 'religion of peace'...the core of the american person is GOOD. it can decipher for himself good from bad.
pastor jones may have just succeeded in pushing the little snow ball down a very very steep mountain.
it is gathering momentum!
it WILL happen!
have faith!

and may god bless you and yours!

dear david,

your post touched my heart on so many levels.
i do understand your anguished cry for the people to WAKE UP!! i have said the same on many ocasions.
nonetheless, do not despair my friend.
i am certain that no matter how corrupt and criminally bias the msm is, while whitewashing the 'religion of peace'...the core of the american person is GOOD. it can decipher for himself good from bad.
pastor jones may have just succeeded in pushing the little snow ball down a very very steep mountain.
it is gathering momentum!
it WILL happen!
have faith!

and may god bless you and yours!

dear david,

your post touched my heart on so many levels.
i do understand your anguished cry for the people to WAKE UP!! i have said the same on many ocasions.
nonetheless, do not despair my friend.
i am certain that no matter how corrupt and criminally bias the msm is, while whitewashing the 'religion of peace'...the core of the american person is GOOD. it can decipher for himself good from bad.
pastor jones may have just succeeded in pushing the little snow ball down a very very steep mountain.
it is gathering momentum!
it WILL happen!
have faith!

and may god bless you and yours!

dear david,

your post touched my heart on so many levels.
i do understand your anguished cry for the people to WAKE UP!! i have said the same on many ocasions.
nonetheless, do not despair my friend.
i am certain that no matter how corrupt and criminally bias the msm is, while whitewashing the 'religion of peace'...the core of the american person is GOOD. it can decipher for himself good from bad.
pastor jones may have just succeeded in pushing the little snow ball down a very very steep mountain.
it is gathering momentum!
it WILL happen!
have faith!

and may god bless you and yours!

America is finally socially and morally bankrupt - the legal system has broken down - Hussein bin Bama is finally getting his evil way - do something now, America, or you will be outcasts in your own land

Welcome to Dearborn Michigan the new islam state. Pastor Terry Jones IS right about what he says. This is AMERICA and if the muslims don't like it then they should leave and get the hell out of this country. They should run the mayor out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered. If anyone says that they are Americans but want sharia law then they are lying and they do not belong in this country. Support Terry Jones for standing up for our freedom. Muslem will never take over this country like they are in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and those other backward countries. We will fight against this evil.

Welcome to Dearborn Michigan the new islam state. Pastor Terry Jones IS right about what he says. This is AMERICA and if the muslims don't like it then they should leave and get the hell out of this country. They should run the mayor out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered. If anyone says that they are Americans but want sharia law then they are lying and they do not belong in this country. Support Terry Jones for standing up for our freedom. Muslem will never take over this country like they are in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and those other backward countries. We will fight against this evil.

"Islamophobes in Michigan Assert Muslims More Violent Than the Rest of Us"


http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/207486.php

Well will the Ground Zero mosque no not be built out of concern for public saftey ,if a few minute talk is not allowed surely a permament mosque which may be very problematic re saftey for public can never be built by the same reasoning

Papa Whiskey wrote:

I must dissent from the accolades accorded to this no-'count peckerwood preacher...
..........................

There are many issues where I disagree with Terry Jones—on some quite pointedly. But he has every right to speak out against Islam, and I believe his being censored here will have negative repercussions for free speech in general.

Moreover, I have noticed that while the most appalling and violent Muslims hold forth on a regular basis, that any anti-Jihadist who is too loud, who has a less-than professional demeanor, or is anything less than a scholar of Islam is completely discounted.

But Pastor Jones is right about Islam, and has every right to say so. I wish he would say so in a more erudite manner, myself—but beyond a point this should make no difference.

More:

Here's what I did about it when the mainstream media were censoring themselves during the Danish Muhammad cartoon jihad in 2006: I wrote two articles for my paper analyzing the matter and excoriating the timorousness of American editors and producers who refused to print or televise the offending images, and when my editors did the same in response to my demands that some of the cartoons be run with my writings I resigned in protest -- sacrificing a career I loved and a paycheck I needed for our freedoms.
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Papa Whiskey, I salute you. Even though I rather disagree with you on the matter of Terry Jones, you are clearly a brave and principled man.

Have you been able to work in media since? I hope so—your voice is needed.

Mr Sanity wrote:

Always willing to spend a few minutes messing around on this kind of stuff :~)
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From one graphic artist to another, Mr Sanity, I'd like to say, "nice stuff". Nice design, very funny, and I'm impressed with how fast you work, as well.

Very inspiring post, Sir. I whole-heartedly agree.

Just wrote to Mark Somers.
Thanks for the e-mail info.

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Andrew C. McCarthy, Senior Fellow at National Review Institute

“Robert Spencer is the leading voice of scholarship and reason in a world gone mad. If the West is to be saved, we will owe Robert Spencer an incalculable debt.”
Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

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“Over the years, we have become friends, and I have received his assistance on several pieces of legislation I proposed.”
Former Congressman Tom Tancredo

“Few people are capable of applying scholarship, analytical reasoning, and objectivity to their topic -- while simultaneously being readable and witty -- as can Robert Spencer.”
Raymond Ibrahim

“A national treasure...The acclaimed scholar of Islam.”
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

“I am indeed honored to call him my friend.”
Brad Thor, novelist

“A top American analyst of Islam....A serious scholar...I learn from him.”
Daniel Pipes

“A brilliant scholar and writer.”
Douglas Murray

"One of my best teachers."
Ashraf Ramelah, Voice of the Copts

“Thank God there’s at least one man with balls left in the West.”
Kathy Shaidle, Five Feet of Fury

“I read people like [Mark Steyn] and Bob Spencer and the rest of them, and I say, ‘Boortz, you’re pretending you’re an author. These people really are. They really write some entertaining, some standup stuff.’”
Neal Boortz

“Robert Spencer is the Stephen King of Jihad.”
Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
Michelle Malkin

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New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
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“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
New York Magazine

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Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

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Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

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Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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