"Moderate" Muslim Council of Britain: Muslims who say that women need not cover their hair are guilty of rejecting Islam

Moderation. "Muslim Council: women cannot debate wearing veil," by Andrew Gilligan in the Telegraph, April 16 (thanks to Paul):

The body which claims to be the voice of Britain's Muslims has told women that wearing the veil is "not open to debate".

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that not covering the face is a "shortcoming" and suggested that any Muslims who advocate being uncovered could be guilty of rejecting Islam.

In a statement published on its website the MCB, warns: "We advise all Muslims to exercise extreme caution on this issue, since denying any part of Islam may lead to disbelief.

"Not practising something enjoined by Allah and his Messenger… is a shortcoming. Denying it is much more serious."

The statement quotes from the Koran: "It is not for a believer, man or woman, that they should have any option in their decision when Allah and his Messenger have decreed a matter."...

"There is no case for a French-style ban in the UK and virtually no serious person supports it," said Haras Rafiq, of the moderate Muslim think-tank, Centri.

"But by this statement, effectively suggesting that the veil is an obligation, the MCB have put themselves at the opposite extreme of the spectrum."

The statement is signed by the MCB's then secretary-general, Mohammad Abdul Bari, and his deputy, Daud Abdullah. It was published in the wake of an earlier controversy about the niqab but passed without notice.

It remains available on the MCB website as a statement of policy.

Other signatories of the statement include Imran Waheed, spokesman of the extremist group Hizb ut Tahrir and several other extremists including Haitham al-Haddad, who has denounced music as a "prohibited and fake message of love and peace". All 27 signatories, who describe themselves as "Islamic groups and scholars," are male.

Dr Bari stepped down as secretary-general of the MCB last year, but remains chairman of the hardline East London Mosque, whose chief imam, Abdul Qayum, also signed the statement.

Dr Bari is also a former president of the fundamentalist Islamic Forum of Europe, which controls the mosque and which advocates a sharia state in Europe.

The MCB received significant funding under the previous government and was seen as the main representative voice of Britain's estimated 2.8 million Muslims but has not received any official money since February 2010....

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The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that not covering the face is a "shortcoming" and suggested that any Muslims who advocate being uncovered could be guilty of rejecting Islam.

Although the Telegraph is one of the UK papers that is usually prepared to address issues of Islamic intolerance, it should have at least pointed out that "guilty of rejecting Islam" means aposty and therefore the death penalty. In other words this ruling is effectively threatening all none observant Muslim women with death. Is that allowed under British law? I think not.

And the next step will be for them to come out and demand that kufr women in their own kufr countries wear bags over their heads, too.

Islam, fortunately, carrys the seeds of it's own destruction within it.

If it weren't for the "distraction" of having to kill the jews, christians, and pretty much everybody else (infidels), they ultimately kill, and will kill, each other for many of the same reasons.

Islam is not a religion, it is a psychotic cult of hatred, death and destruction with religious overtones and justification mixed in. Perfidy, death and destruction are the devils desire, not God's.

Islam is of the devil. It is anti-Christ.

I'll bet lots of UK citizens are asking: "If France can ban the veil, then why can't we?" The answer:yes you can!

Banning the veil is a very effective wedge issue in the war against radical Islam. Although many public spokesmen defend wearing the veil (in effect wearing a mask in public), it's become, IMO, an obvious reach on their part to do so. It's a debate we should welcome.

I hope this announcement will help dispell illusions about "moderate" Islam, or about trusting "moderate" Muslims.

Unveiled Muslim women must realize that as long as they are Muslims they will always be under pressure from more militant & oppressive segments of the Ummah to be oppressed, to be property under the guise of "respect".

brilliant, sparrow!
"yes you can!"
.... :) .......
i love it!

Bilal Philips has arrived in Denmark, invited by the largest Muslim organization here. To their delayed regret now the general public has been told Bilal Philips is a proponent of killing gays and unfaithful women, and that he has been refused entry to GB and Australia. None of the more unsavoury facts have made it to the Wikipedia page for some reason.

Bags? You mean like this one?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/garbage-bagsac-ordures.html
In Germany they call it "Garbage Bag Walking" !!!

The anti anti-Islamists of the left are stuck without a good argument to make for defending the veil. If they say it's about freedom or religion--then, yes, it sort of is about that--but they end up defending the misogyny of radical islam, and the left is (after all) secular, so why defend this particular so-called religious practice.

Then there is the whole matter of wearing masks in public. Western countries have spent millions of dollars to install surveillance cameras in public places--partly as a counter to the radical islamists--and now we will allow islamic fundamentalist women to make themselves an exception to the cameras. No way.

"The body which claims to be the voice of Britain's Muslims has told women that wearing the veil is "not open to debate."

It is very much open to debate according to professor Christoph Luxenberg's book "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran: A Contribution to the Decoding of the Language of the Koran", because the veil is a belt:

Q. - By the way, what do you think about the Islamic veil?

CL. - "There is a passage in Sura 24, verse 31, which in Arabic reads, ´That they should beat their khumurs against their bags.´ It is an incomprehensible phrase, for which the following interpretation has been sought: ´That they should extend their kerchiefs from their heads to their breasts.´ But if this passage is read in the light of Syro-Aramaic, it simply means: ´They should fasten their belts around their waists."

Q. - Does this mean the veil is really a chastity belt?

CL. - "Not exactly. It is true that, in the Christian tradition, the belt is associated with chastity: Mary is depicted with a belt fastened around her waist. But in the gospel account of the Last Supper, Christ also ties an apron around his waist before washing the Apostles´ feet. There are clearly many parallels with the Christian faith."

The Muslim Body is clearly distorting the words of Allah! ;-)

This shows the total absence of latitude in the interpretation of faith in Islam...and is a direct repudiation of the "Islam is not a monolith" mantra that taqiyya practitioners and their dhimmi allies so often tout as proof of the benign nature of Islam.

Meanwhile, there will surely come day when national or state laws prohibiting Sharia will be declared "making war upon Allah" by Muslims and a justification for future terrorism. No doubt, the liberal dhimmis will blame the laws, not the terrorists for the violence.

I am just so sick of playing semantics with these unwanted, arrogant, neanderthal t___s .....I want them to F.O. out of my civilised country.

That is confirmed by Gamal El-Bana, Brother of Hasan El-Bana (the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood). Gamal El-Bana has writen over 90 books about islam and said the Burka/Hijab is a complete fraud.

There is nothing in the Koran about wearing those ridiculous ghost costumes. The only comand is to not expose your breasts or private parts.

That means bikinis are perfectly acceptable in Islam.

He said it was re-introduced into egyptian society by the muslim brotherhood specifically in order to remove women from society.

Toastandmamalade, you said:
"I am just so sick of playing semantics with these unwanted, arrogant, neanderthal t___s .....I want them to F.O. out of my civilised country."

Are you an IslamoLoathe? I know I am.

Ooops. I meant, toastandmarmalade.

I know I am an islamoloathe. (islamo-loathe)

"There is no case for a French-style ban in the UK and virtually no serious person supports it," said Haras Rafiq, of the moderate Muslim think-tank, Centri.

Wrong on both counts.

There is a very good case to bar all face coverings in public (which is what the French ban is doing), for security reasons. Besides, it's bloody rude to walk about our streets with a mask on like a criminal!

And there are many, many serious people who support such a ban, including me. And not just the disgusting mohammedan slave rags, but ALL face coverings, including hoodies, stockings, balaclavas, Lone Ranger masks, etc. If you appear in public, then you should show your face, not slink about incognito.



The one-eyed burqa, from the King Fahd Academie Koran issue, not for sale:


Quran – 33:59 Allah says:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (tanslated to close) – i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed.

And Allah is Ever of Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Women who do not wear headscarves are being threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists intent on imposing sharia law on parts of Britain, it was claimed today.

Other targets of the 'Talibanesque thugs', being investigated by police in the Tower Hamlets area of London, include homosexuals.

Stickers have been plastered on public walls stating: 'Gay free zone. Verily Allah is severe in punishment'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html

to the liberal elites who say they need to support islamists, l say do not support those who are intolerate! enough of these parasites,, support laws that will get rid of islam!

Those Muslim women that go along with--or promote--veiling are actually endangering the safety and lives of women who go without veils. By asserting that wearing a veil makes one woman modest and decent, they are simultaneously implying that NOT wearing a veil makes another woman immodest and indecent--shoving her into the old trap of "asking for" crimes done to her because she dresses as she chooses.

The directive to wear a veil enables an aggressive, pathological kind of competitiveness between women, which is very beneficial indeed to Muslim men who seek to retain their exclusive power.

Also, remember that men... not allah, added the words in parentheses. So read it with out those words.. hell, read the koran without all of the added words and see what you get. Perfect, written on stones in heaven? Not by a long shot.... if HUMANS had to add words to make this "holy" book make sense, then how can an all-powerful deity dictate it to an illiterate pedophile/warlord, that this is a perfect book, and it's the unchanging word of god?
It must mean that allah is a complete idiot or that Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim was making shit up as he went... I think that the latter is what happened.

"There is no case for a French-style ban in the UK and virtually no serious person supports it," said Haras Rafiq, of the moderate Muslim think-tank, Centri.

Hey, Haras, I'm a serious person and I support it.

Love it. Yup, next time some dozy, dim, lefty libtard calls me an islamophobe, I shall say with pride, 'Nope, I'm an islamoloathe.' Brill.

There are several ways that Islam can be discredited. Exposing Mohammed for the brutal and lascivious psychopath that he was is one of them. Pointing out all the venom that exists in the Koran, Hadiths and Sira is another. And arguing as effectively as possible that Islam is an absolute guarantee that women can never be equal to men is a very important one too. Maybe long term, arguably the most important.

The single most enduring revolution of the twentieth century is the woman's revolution. There's no going back to a time when women were denied all kinds of rights and opportunities. Islam is hopelessly retrograde here on the issue of gender equality. That's yet another reason why it is destined for oblivion, though not before it has a last gasp which will pull down a lot of the world for many decades.

moderate islam.. freedom of choice is just lost on these people. the "little sultan" system means women will always suffer.

always.

Bingo.
It's all public mask wearing that has to be banned. Remember the demonstrators at various IMF conferences over the years, throwing rocks at police and breaking store windows. Alot of them wore ski masks because they didn't want to be identified from the surveillance cameras and then arrested.

Hello Jan:
Thanks brother. The enemy has been using its own terms for too long to frame this existential battle. We are on the counterattack.

The West is analog, Islam is digital.
(a summary in seven words why the two cannot co-exist within the same nation)

A couple more for the lexicon of Signalism:
We are not extremists, we are radicals.
The West is revolutionary; Islam is devolutionary.

where are all those muslim women who talked endlessly how islam gave them the right to wear or not wear the hijab or burka. You will see that eventually when these same loudmouths are forced to wear these sacks they will claim that islam gave them the freedom to wear these things and how liberating it is to wear them.

I hope everyone has clicked on the link and read the original story in situ...together with the comments, over 1000 of them.

There are about four or five Muslim spin-doctors in the comments, busy throwing sand, but there are a *lot* of people who are completely onto them and are not letting them get away with it.

Exactly correct in all respects. I've been harping about this dynamic for days now on JW. Objects, or ideas, or laws, and crimes in whose names they are committed, continue to be confused.

This is quite a smart move by the Muslim Council as it throws down the gauntlet and challenges outright the British Goverment.
If the goverment does nothing, and in all probability the UK goverment had not planned to impose a ban, then it will be seen that the goverment has backed down to the dominance of the Council's edict. Islam thus wins and has taken another step in the (not so) stealth Jihad.
If the goverment imposes a ban then the Islam can again claim "victim" status and proclaim discrimination against it in the UK.

Yet some women in France insist they wear the veil of their own volition. That's like saying I wear a tie to work of my own volition. If it weren't required of me by my boss, I wouldn't do it.

Fun Fact: mohammad, piss be up in him, had only one nipple and one testicle on opposite sides of the body, which is where he got his idea for cutting up the enemies of al

Muslims who say that women need not cover their hair are guilty of rejecting Islam
.......................

What kind of greasy Islamophobe would say such a thing? Oops...my bad...

The crap from "Horse" just never ends. Of course there have been parts of Dar-al-Islam from time to time that neglected to insist on the full Niqab or Burqa.

Up until about twenty-five years ago, it was rare to find an urban woman in Egypt or Turkey who wore any sort of Hijab. But in any Muslim society, there is always the potential of an "Islamic revival", with the obligatory accompanying oppression of woman, including the imposition of the veil.

Many of the outlying reaches of the Muslim world—Indonesia, Malaysia, sub-saharan Africa, the Balkans—rarely imposed so much as the head-scarf.

That is changing, though, as the "Islamically pure" push to impose Shari'ah over larger and larger parts of the globe.

Now women in Indonesia's Aceh province are veiled by law-as are the women in northern Nigeria.

As usual, I would ask you—if you believe that the "moderate" Hui Muslims of far-flung western China are those practicing the "true" form of Islam, why don't you take it up with your misguided coreligionists at the Muslim Council of Britain, instead of continuing to annoy the good Kaffirs here at Jihad Watch?

"western" china.

more proof that gravenimage doesn't know cow **** about muslims in China.

hui people live ALL OVER China, including the eastern coastal provinces. There is a mosque in beijing, in northeast china, the Niujie Mosque, there are mosques in Fuzhou, on the southeast coast, there are mosques in Nanjing, in the east, several imporant Hui scholars came from Nanjing and the eastern regions, where they wrote extensively on Islamic and Confucian literature, they were the backbone, being the most extensively educated, the west is viewed as the backwater of China

General Bai Chongxi himself was from the SOUTHEASTERN province of Guangxi, where many other hui people live.

Muslims are even more a tiny minority in eastern China than they are in the west. If they are "moderate", it is because their numbers are very small and influenced by the larger Infidel culture, and Chinese society at large—whatever its problems under Communism or any previous regime—is not likely to be welcoming to Shari'ah.

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