Of course Islam is an economic solution, because in the Qur'an, obedience to Allah brings prosperity. So if Egypt is suffering economic woes, it is because it is not Islamic enough. And if Egypt does become an Islamic state and still doesn't prosper, the Jews are always there to blame.
"Brotherhood leader: Islam is the answer to price hikes," from Almasry Alyoum, April 27:
A Muslim Brotherhood member presented Islam as an economic solution during a conference in Daqahlia Governorate Tuesday.Talaat al-Shennawy, head of the Brotherhood's Daqahlia office, said Egypt could curb price increases by following God's rules.
Shennawy said the greatness of Islam lies in it being a comprehensive religion that embraces all fields of life.
As-Shennawy better be careful: saying something like that in America gets you a swift charge of "Islamophobia" from Islamic supremacists trying to deceive the public into thinking that Islam has no political dimension.
He said people should apply all Islamic orders rather than just the ones they like.In apparent conflicting messages, the Brotherhood said during another conference in Minya that it does not want religion to govern the state.
"The Brotherhood will opt for a civilian state and is seeking a strong parliament, as well as municipal councils free of bribery and nepotism, that can address citizens' needs," said Supreme Guide Mohamed Badie....
But the way things are going, the Jews might not always be there to blame. Then what?
Islam is the answer to price hikes?
Let's hope the Muslim brotherhood doesn't suggest using Muhammad's own method for dealing with poverty. Muhammad and his gang of thieves regularly raided trade caravans and stole property. We all know that Muhammad is "an excellent example" (Quran 33:21). Well, that's what Muhammad says about himself anyway.
Hello jewdog. You said,
"But on a serious note, Egypt's economic situation is very grave. They have a burgeoning population being very squeezed for food as commodity prices soar. This sort of magical thinking could lead to massive starvation not too far down the road."
I agree, and hence the urgent need to establish the worldwide caliphate in order to parasitize dhimmis and the West.
Muslim Brotherhood leader: Islam is the answer to price hikes
Of course Islam is an economic solution, because in the Qur'an, obedience to Allah brings prosperity.
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What absolute crap. Islam is an economic disaster, with its disdain for productive labor, suspicion of "Bi'da" (innovation), and banning of professional business practices such as reasonable interest on loans.
The only times Muslim lands prosper is when they either benefit from unearned resources such as oil reserves—developed by Kaffirs—or else directly live off Infidel labor.
What would spur a new "Islamic Golden Age"? Allow Islam to take over civilized Europe, then claim her achievements for its own, while dining off her rich corpse and the dwindling contributions of any non-Muslims who were unwilling or unable to flee.
where's my posting?
WHAT??!!
As GI says above - "what a load of crap".
Wahabbi Islam treats its "workers" as slaves. Literally.
Pakis, Afghanis, Sri Lankans and Indians (and many Filipinas/os are paid, on average, about 10 USD per day to work in Riyadh. In July. When it's 50 centigrade regularly.
Don't get me started on how financially inept the Arabians and their Wahabbist cohorts around the world are...
As Hugh Fitzgerald once said so eloquently, "due to an accident of geology", the money/oil weapon raises its ugly head again, however, this time, in the guise of once-removed Muslim cognitive dissonance of the first order.
mutt: You answered a posting that has apparently disappeared.
Well put ! No Islam no price hikes !!
Pokermutt wrote:
hence the urgent need to establish the worldwide caliphate in order to parasitize dhimmis and the West.
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True, Pokermutt—a form of living off the Infidel that I neglected to mention.
"Foreign aid", tribute, or simply blackmail to keep them from waging Jihad against us.
I hope somebody in the West still believes in "not a penny for tribute, but millions for defense!", but I wish I could feel more certain of that.
We're starting to hear foolish voices in the West start to call for *increased* foreign aid for countries in the Middle East wracked by "unrest"—so they can "rebuild". I don't believe it has occurred to most of them that what they may be "building" are full Shari'ah states...
" But the way things are going, the Jews won't always be there to blame. Then what ? ".
Jews are preferred.
But in a pinch, any kaffir will do.
It must be JINN. They're getting on us dogs.
Off Topic:
Hello gravenimage: Your critical razor on these stories, she da best.
Mr Sanity and I are working on the covers for "Islam For Dhimmis". http://img508.imageshack.us/i/islamfordhimmisredux.jpg/ Could you take a look at my long post near the bottom on the Godzilla story and tell me what you think about my back cover idea with the rotational stuff and "A book turned thrice....? I've written at least 50 cartoons but there are other themes such as, "Papers, Placards, and Practices" plus notable quotes from those of the past. And don't forget the dogs which all Westerners seem to like.
OUCH! My toe! I stub my pinky toe! Doze damn JOOZ!!
DET TO AMREEKA!!
How to avoid price hikes: don't buy stuff, just take it from the kuffar.
In the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic) we learn how in Khaybar Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure, then beheaded the man, and how that night Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of "marriage" the tortured man's widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed:
The most delicious irony about this site is that Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran.
Bob isn't scared of government failure in Egypt. He's just worried that they might succeed and credit Islam.
WHAT??!!
As GI says above - "what absolute crap".
Wahabbi Islam treats its "workers" as slaves. Literally.
Pakis, Afghanis, Sri Lankans and Indians (and many Filipinas/os are paid, on average, about 10 USD per day to work in Riyadh. In July. When it's 50 centigrade regularly.
Don't get me started on how financially inept the Arabians and their Wahabbist cohorts around the world are...
As Hugh Fitzgerald once said so eloquently, "due to an accident of geology", the money/oil weapon raises its ugly head again, however, this time, in the guise of once-removed Muslim cognitive dissonance of the first order.
You wrote:
"Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran"
Beg your pardon, Sir/Madame, but you are completely wrong.
Think again, then get back to me, or post again and be much more detailed in your musings, please.
OMG so funny, I tried to sell them the Brooklyn bridge too. Even offered to throw in free oceanside property in AZ-lol.
OMG so funny, I tried to sell them the Brooklyn bridge too. Even offered to throw in free oceanside property in AZ-lol.
This is despite the fact that the country is already Muslim, and that hasn't stopped anybody from doing what they've done. He's already getting ripped off- by fellow Muslims.
I wonder when that'll sink in.
Obama should take them at their word. Remove the kufir foreign aid. Let Allah meet their needs. They will no longer have to deal with bread riots. What are they waiting for?
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another one in the philippines, again with no mention of islamic or muslims link probably they dont want to offend muslims
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20110428-333426/Security-forces-detonate-3-bombs-in-Cotabato-City
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another one in the philippines, again with no mention of islamic or muslims link probably they dont want to offend muslims
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20110428-333426/Security-forces-detonate-3-bombs-in-Cotabato-City
"The most delicious irony about this site is that Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran."
The dangerous and extremist interpretation...by way of Mohammed. The major (and obvious) difference between a Muslim and Muslim Extremist is in the degree of devotion: while one affects a devout posture, the other commits to it in literal terms. Point: Islam is Islam.
The irony is lost on you, smartass. ("Smartass." Get it?)
According to Google translation abangputih in the Malay language is white brother. We need Kaatharina to sort out this white brother. Kaatharina is of Malay origin. She will know how to disabuse of his weird notions.
Kaatharina where are you?
"The most delicious irony about this site is that Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran."
You wrote like Imam Rauf who also talked about "the extremists on both sides", but I see that as a completely wrong picture.
Robert Spencer is NOT on the same side with the so-calles Muslim Extremists, but he does echo what they say, only with a completely different goal; They indeed want Islam to succeed, over any success of Kuffars, but he only intends to warn the Kuffars.
And the so-called moderate Muslims, and the Muslim-defenders, who often function also as Islam-defenders, are probably much less informed and understanding than both the so-called extremists AND Robert Spencer, and other non-Muslim Islam-experts of real Islam. that which was meant by Mohammed and the early Muslims and that which was en is understood and practised by the most Islam-aware Muslims throughout history.
Qur'an says non-Muslims will be punished with hooked rods of iron
Quran 22:19 to 22:22:
On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered.
Sorbonne scholar finds Islam's core texts the most aggressive against other groups
Tina Magaard is a linguist who got her Ph.D. in Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne, and did a three-year study of the original texts of the world's ten largest religions. One of her findings was that Islam's core texts are the most aggressive against other groups.
With Respect, and I really don't intend to argue, but you wrote:
"The dangerous and extremist interpretation...by way of Mohammed. The major (and obvious) difference between a Muslim and Muslim Extremist is in the degree of devotion: while one affects a devout posture, the other commits to it in literal terms. Point: Islam is Islam."
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Again, with complete humility; as I understand this foul Mohammedism, there is no such thing as an "extreme" Muslim, anymore than there is one that is a "moderate".
I believe, (from, admittedly, non-empirical data)that,the Muslim mind-set is uni-dimensional. It does not require nor demand variation in devotion, unless, of course, it serves to the advantage of one "camp" of Islam or the other.
This is because Muslims, having become anesthetized to Mohammedan "precepts", practice a form of Taqiyyya AMONGST THEMSELVES!
Commiting Pseudo-Religious Precepts to action does not require extra devotion, or less extremism or modernity.
It only requires some pretext...
Finally, please do not misunderstand my response to your post...we're on the same side!
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad speaks of war booty
From Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 351:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 46:
"The most delicious irony about this site is that Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran."
lol, of course! ...that's what happens when someone reads the qur'an, they discover that this unholy book is in fact extremely dangerous. Yeah the qur'an is extremely violent, extremely hateful, and extremely evil. Hmm, how ironic.
Traeh --wasn't the citation connected to some challenge made by one of Mustafa's followers with regard to whether booty from "war" was legal or not in the fledgling Mohammedesque mentality?
Am I remembering it correctly? I don't have a Quran in front of me (I'm abroad), but could you give a further explanation of hadeeth that refer to this? I remember that there are several (Dawoud, Muslim, etc.)
Sorry to pick your brain, but your numerous citations deserve extra attention...
Best, Dee
Out of complete ignorance, you wrote: 'Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran.'
What interpretation? You're a clown! The Qur'an says itself that there is no need for interpretation. If there's a contradiction of any kind, you take the latest verse and abrogate the verse(s)that came earlier.
So, you're stupid remark that Mr.Spencer and the so-called 'extremists' are on the same side is nonsense.
Post a groveling apology to everyone on this site, to Mr.Spencer, and to your family and friends - who you have embarrassed, and don't utter this kind of garbage again. Clear!
Clown! mutter ... mutter :))
If Islam is the answer, I say 'Mu' (Chinese/Japanese for 'un-ask the question')
"And so We revealed to you (Mohamad) an Arabic Quran to warn the mother of the villages (Mecca) and whoever is around it.." Quran 42:7-8
"And had your Lord willed, He would have made humans one nation; and even then they would still disagree. Except whom your Lord had mercy on them.." Quran 11:118-119
"And to every nation We made for them their own rituls so that they celebrate the name of God upon what we have
bestowed on them." Quran 22:34 (also see Quran 22:67)
"And had God Willed, He would have made you one nation.." Quran 16:93
"We have made a law and methodology to each nation; and had God willed He would have made you one nation.." Quran 5:48
Would you care to expound on your quotes Amro? . .it's hard to get where you are at.
Did the Brotherhood even have to repeat this self-evident truth? Look around at the economic prosperity of the Islamic Wonderlands! What exciting times lie ahead for Egyptians! Hope and Change, mmm, mmm, mmm!
Hi London--
Re:"Amro's" citations. He/she/it is definately a Mohammedan.
The clue lies within the now tired and hackneyed reference to "Qurans in Arabic", meaning, of course that us poor Kaffirs who don't happen to read Arabic can never truly understand it's super-duper holiness.
As for those of us who do read Arabic - well, enough said.
I have a suspicion "Ammoboy" won't be back 'round these parts anytime soon...
Best, Dee
Yes ,,,I feel the same way
they can't say Quran is misunderstood because the right meaning is lost in the translation , not to people like us who know the Arabic languish from birth
as an arab I had no problem understanding I did not need TAFSSER [ EXPLANATIONS] ….*Surit al Ahzab* 33/56
ena Allah wa malaikatoho* yosallona*[ root word is salla] ala Al *naby* ya ayha al mumeneen aamino wa *sallo*[ root word iS salla] alahi wa salimo taslema
Allah and his angels *PREY* ON TO THE PROPET,AND YOU THE ONE WHO BELIEVE *PREY* ON TO HIM AND SOLUTE HIM IN SUBMISSION .
there is no way we will misunderstand the word Prey >>Salla …it does not have any other meaning .
Islam to dominate us whether we like it or not
Qur'an Chapter 9, Verse 33
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad refers to help from terror, his right to spoils of war, and his mission to all mankind, and says he is the final prophet (which of course means that no one can ever amend his teaching)
In a canonical hadith collection, Sahih Muslim:
Book 4, Number 1062:
London Jim, I believe Amro is trying to argue that Muhammad did not have a conqueror's designs on other nations, despite the jihad that conquered all of Arabia, North Africa, and part of Spain in the West, and that also went all the way to the edges of India in the East, all in the first century of Islam.
deebartok,
I'm not sure about the answer to that.
Yea traeh. My mistake for underestimating his humble designs. . I should have read what he wrote more closely. Chance would be a fine thing, eh? . '.yet nought he wrote, only did quote'.
London Jim, he (or she) wasn't very clear, which perhaps comes from a long term habit of never really having to justify his assumptions about Islam. Thus he neither is very able to articulate an argument, and what's more, due to a cultural arrogance, doesn't think it even necessary to clearly articulate an argument for his position. He's just here to lay down "God's" law for us. (Probably not a Western Muslim.)
no prob. have a nice day.
And you too.
abangputih wrote:
The most delicious irony about this site is that Spencer and Muslim Extremists are on the same side - both ascribe to a dangerous and extremest interpretation of the Quran.
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Both Adolph Hitler and Winston Churchill ascribed to a "dangerous and extremist interpretation" of Mein Kampf, as well.
Descrying evil is *not* the same as perpetrating it. It is, in fact, its polar opposite.
More:
Bob isn't scared of government failure in Egypt. He's just worried that they might succeed and credit Islam.
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"Succeed"—in what way? If Egypt becomes a full Jeffersonian democracy, which respects the rights of women and minorities and is peaceful with its neighbors, I will cheer.
If they did so, it would be *in spite* of Islam, not because of it. But still, a small matter if they did so ascribe it.
But all evidence points to Egypt tending to a more severe Shari'ah state, that will war on Israel, oppress its Coptic minorities even more severely, impose the headscarf on women, and generally come to more closely resemble chaotic, violent Somalia.
Of course, perhaps this is what you meant by "success"...
Yes, Islam is the answer to the poor Muslim masses because, under Sharia law (which merely enforces Islamic principles) it is legal to plunder the spoils of jihad. Under Sharia law, it is legal to extort jizra (extra taxes and financial burdens on non-Muslims because they are non-Muslims). Yes, Islam is the answer to the economic woes (of Muslims).
Is the Muslim Brotherhood trying to subvert the American system? Watch the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUb5I6JKVVM
Is the Muslim Brotherhood trying to subvert the American system? Watch the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUb5I6JKVVM