Spencer: A Koran, and Free Speech, In Flames

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In Human Events this morning I discuss Koran-burning riots in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and how they constitute a rapidly growing threat to the freedom of speech:

Enraged over the burning of a Koran in Florida, Muslims have murdered about 20 people in Afghanistan and five in Pakistan—none of whom ever burned a Koran or had any acquaintance with the men who did.

These killers are monstrous. They have assassinated innocent people for something that they couldn't conceivably have had anything to do with. And yet instead of calling them monstrous and demanding that Islamic leaders stop inciting and approving of such behavior, Western government and media elites are blaming not the murderers and rioters, but the man behind the Koran-burning, the notorious Christian fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones.

Thus Guardian editor Matt Seaton explained that Jones was to blame because his Koran-burning was “done knowingly involving reckless endangerment, and quite possibly wishing for this kind of bad result.” This assumed that the Muslims who were rioting and killing over the burning of a book half a world away had no control over their reactions, and thus could not be held accountable for them: For enlightened leftists such as Seaton, it is the West's responsibility to make sure the Islamic world behaves in a civilized manner. How paternalistic and ethnocentric of those most committed to multiculturalism.

Barack Obama reacted the same way when Jones first threatened to burn a Koran last year. He said that "this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform. Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for al-Qaeda. You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan."

Obama found the burning of the Koran, and the burning of any book, distasteful, as do I. But that was why he should have stood up for Terry Jones. Speech that is inoffensive needs no protection, and those in power can all too easily use “hate speech” codes to restrict speech they find politically inconvenient or challenging. Obama could have said: "While I disapprove of this Koran-burning, in America we believe that freedom of expression is a fundamental bulwark against tyranny and the hallmark of a truly free society, and it requires us to put up with things we don't like without responding with violence."

He could, in short, have used Jones’ barbecued Koran as a teaching tool to demonstrate why free societies are preferable to sharia states. But instead, Obama and the media are effectively reinforcing the principle that violent intimidation works: They knew that somewhere in the world Muslims were going to behave like rabid dogs because of the burned Koran, and instead of telling them to grow up and act like civilized people, they are demanding that free people change the way they behave to adjust to this case of rabies....

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To deal with rabies we need to eliminate the virus, not encourage its spread in a dormant state until it flares up in epidemic proportions under some future conditions.

Ironically, the Guardian did graciously allow Isioma Daniel to write her side of the story after 200 people died in Nigerian riots inflamed by her comments about Muhammad, wives, and the 2002 Miss World Pageant. Perhaps they'll give Mr. Jones a chance to do likewise?

This is one problem I have - the use of the adjective 'disgusting' - to describe the burning of a Qur'an. After everything he describes in the Qur'an blog, give me one good reason why burning a Qur'an is a bad thing? The usual criticism about the burning of books really applies to when it is done either by the state, or a mob, to prevent the book in question from being sold or freely distributed. But that's not what Terry Jones was doing - he was expressing his disgust @ the contents of the book, which is different.

I can think of reasons to fault Jones, which is his statement to the media that he thinks that most Muslims are peaceful, and he only has problems w/ the 'radical' ones. Similarly, his statement about him not protesting Islam or the mosque in Dearborn, but rather 'radical' Islam is just as hollow, since he should know that the Qur'an pretty much spells out Islam. But that's not what's being done here. What he's being criticized for is burning the Qur'an, when he ought to be roasted for his inane statements above

Terrifying and sad story. I did an interview on Russia Today T.V. yesterday on the Reid/Graham statements regarding the Florida pastor.

You can watch the video here (http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com/2011/04/my-russia-today-interview-on-reid.html) but my basic point was that if you take away freedoms because of the irrational actions of others, then where does this stop.

The slippery slope argument. In addition Graham said that in war some allowances need to be made, but these were just rank and file Afghan citizens incited to violence.

Couldn't agree more.
The very reaction to this act showed quite clearly that the statement "most Muslims are peaceful" is false. Saying "I have nothing against Muslims, I have problems with Islam" is illogical, because there wouldn't be any Islam without Muslims, and so on.

Besides.

Muslims who live in Western countries on other taxpayers' money (see article "Islamic supremacists move West")and enjoy life doing nothing (working is for kuffars, so they take it for granted) generally have no reason to get violent (although great many of them do nethertheless!)
I wonder what happens if, by some miracle, some Western government starts caring about their country and cancels benefits for parasites. "Peace loving Muslims" will start large-scale civil unrest at once.

Again, there's a difference in who does the book burning and why. An individual burning a book he has bought in personal disgust or protest about the content is quite different than the government burning books en masse in order to enforce censorship upon the populace.

It's like the reverse of flag-burning - it's upsetting when it's done by protesters who don't like your country, but OK when you hand in your old ratty flag to the Legion for proper, respectful disposal - by burning.

The fact that these insanists want to kill people over the burning of a book, really, just makes me want to burn one all the more and put in on YouTube. However, no one around here has any reason to sell such a thing as the Koran, so I doubt I'll have the opportunity, unless I print it out myself from the web.

Obama recently said:
"No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people, and there is no justification for such a dishonorable and deplorable act...."

Cur'an 8:12 says:
Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'

The Cur'an commands it and voila, the cultists carry it out.
Well then, there you have it. Islam is not a religion by Obama's criteria. Since it is not a religion, it must needs be a cult, the Cult of the Cur'an, and the Muslims are just so many packs of rabid curs.
Definition of cur:
1.any vicious dog, esp a mongrel
2.a despicable or cowardly person

Obama, you are a rank hypocrite and hypocrisy has become the party line to be towed. You are, dare I say, a MUSHlim. When hypocrisy leads to the corruption of truth a civilization loses its way.

I support Pastor Jones without qualification and without criticism. He expresses his utter contempt for evil--Bravo! Those of you who mention disgust WRT this act confuse those of us who seek to pursue a clear line of tactics and strtegy. The first principle of war is to select and maintain the aim. The magnifying glass approach leads to paralysis through analysis and plays into the hands of our enemies. This Cur'an burning has shone the spotlight on the evil of Islam and its cultists like no other. The innocent victims from the actions of these rabid curs and the inspiration of their priestly class pave the way for a showdown with Islam.

He is my candidate for Anti-dhimmi of the Year Award.


The Obama Administration action on this matter surpirses me NOT on bit. There was the Cairo speech; there was the schmoozing closer to Igmeleddin Inogoshu(OIC) and the bow to King Abdullah, and many more instances. The Obama Administration chooses to diminish America and aggrandize the Islamic world. Their attitude on this Koran thing fits right in line with their other actions.

And now...I even hear do-do heads like Sen. Lindsay Graham making noises about limiting the first amendment. Wow!

They make General Patraeus denounce the burning in the strongest fashion, but....where are the moderate Islamic voices denouncing this violence in the Islamic world in the strongest fashion? I can't hear you!!!

The Cycling Tuscan

Wow, this is OTT but go and take a look at a very remarkible young woman, Ann Barnhardt, and what this courageous woman has to say about Senator Lindsey Graham's recent dhimmi comments on the possibility of modifying America's free speech rights in order to somehow placate angry Muslim mobs.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/manifesto-of-evil-totalitarian.html

Does anyone see the irony here. A bunch of religious fanatics going ape over another religious fanatic and his fanaticism. No wonder so many people are turned off by religion

The pastor in Florida is only guilty of being an idiot. If we ran around murdering people every time some idiot exercised his freedom of expression, there wouldn't be anybody left.

Great article, Mr. Spencer. The only point I disagree with is your view that it's detestable to burn the Koran. I certainly hate to align myself with Terry Jones, who appears to be a bit of a nutcase, but I agree completely with what he's done to the Koran.

The book itself couldn't be more deserving of desecration and destruction. But more importantly, the very reaction that it compels in Muslims and Liberals suggests that it's precisely the type of thing we SHOULD be doing. How else will Muslims learn that they can't respond to every perceived slight with a murderous rampage? How will Liberals learn that sane and free people are under no moral or legal obligation to respect and tolerate something simply because it's a religion?

Blasphemy against Islam should be our go-to response to acts of jihad terrorism and Muslim rioting. Burn 100,000 Korans and dismantle 100 mosques for each victim of the UN attacks. Soil the remains of suicide bombers with pig fat and feed it to dogs. For that matter, start making airplane chairs out of pigskin to scare Muslims away entirely.

Everything a jihadist does is to spread and strengthen Islam. If we make it clear that each act of terror on their part will only serve to weaken the grip of their religion, they should get the point rather quickly.

Amongst Islam's holiest threads
Is this one that so easily spreads
When free speech means critique;
The historic technique
Is to implement "Off with their heads".

TERRY JONES, ISLAM AND THE BOOK OF DEADLY RAGE

Terry Jones didn't kill a single soul when he burnt his copy of the Koran-which was his right to do under our laws however irresponsible, senseless and wrong. But what he burnt was an insidious book written by an evil, violent, vainglorious man who fanatically believed he had the ultimate revelation of God's truth to man, and was in an absolute rage against unbelievers who dared resist him. And that rage has been on full display for 1400 years of Moslem conquest, brutality and war; and now in acts of terror against our land, and in the murderous, anti-US riots engulfing war torn Afghanistan. The real issue isn't Terry Jones and his deliberate provocations-let him burn his Korans and put Mohammad on trial to his heart's content as that is his right. The real issue is totalitarian Islam and its existential threat to America and the West. For the deadly rage of Moslems includes us all whether we're leftist appeasers of Islam, it's rational critics, or its crazy book burning foes.

Why do some of us call Jones a nutcase or someone being mentally ill. I don't see it that way. He is a man tired of being bullied by "political correctness". He is a man who acts on his beliefs in a civilized manner. He did not resort to violence as did the Muslims in Pakistan. Please lets stop refering to this man as someone who is not in touch with reality.
In fact he may be more in touch then many of us.

Thank you for the post and the video.

This comment by Zenster says it all:

"The money quote:

If you want to pick a fight, sir. You go right ahead but understand that if you pick a fight with me the only way it ends is with you sobbing in the men's room."

I think I'm in love with this woman! Thanks for posting these videos. What a warrior and patriot.

not savages but animals

The Psychopathic Muslims are blackmailing us (i.e., burn our holy book, we'll kill people) and we are submitting to their blackmail, reinforcing their tactics.

I think at any point where they act against OUR freedoms, we should retaliate by taking away THEIR freedoms. i.e, Shut down their Mosques, eliminate freedom of prayer and their freedom to wear their special clothes. They kill innocent people, we shut down a mosque. They don't like it? LEAVE!!!

Bravo Zulu to Jones and Spencer.

I agree with you. Even as a polytheist, I commend the Pastor's action as courageous. It cannot be easy in the face of all ridicule, condemnation and marginalization.

You MUST check out how one of my home girls feels about Senator Lindsey Graham's asinine statement about mein kuranmpf burning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc&feature=player_embedded

This is one brave, articulate and RIGHT woman.

Part two is worth watching as well. She actually burns mein kuranmpf.

Thank you for posting re Isioma Daniel. Where is Molly Norris. Has anyone heard of what became of her?

For enlightened leftists such as Seaton, it is the West's responsibility to make sure the Islamic world behaves in a civilized manner. How paternalistic and ethnocentric of those most committed to multiculturalism.

Or how paternalistically 'racist' for white Lef-Liberals to continue to excuse the barbaric and murderous behaviors of Islamic (brown) people on grounds that it is the white's fault for their violent behaviors. This is a cultural equivalent of Rosemary's Baby, where a devil cult controls the unborn child's mother into 'submission' to it. Given generous Western social-welfare benefits scams, combined with free-pass on their anti-social riots, their violent 'no-go' areas, fraudulent 'taqiyya' dawas at the mosques and 'hate-speech' by their imams, over-represented in prison populations, incessant demands to accommodate cruel and unusual slaughter of animals, or to accommodate their anti-freedom demands to silence criticism, or the ceaseless 'death threats' against anyone who even mildly criticizes Islam, Muslim 'human trafficking' crimes, sexual exploitation of underage girls, rapes of non-Muslim women, global crimes against humanity, attacks on churches, beheadings, etc.... All this Muslim behavior leads to an offspring not even a mother could love, never mind the "paternalistic and ethnocentric" societies of the West into which they parasitically lodged themselves. How much criminal 'racism' can the West tolerate before it drowns in the seas of its own welfare largess with massive governmental bankruptcies? Time to abort these 'fast breeding' incubators, before it is too late, and the devil's curse upon the Free World comes to life.

Western coddling 'paternalism' aside, it is either Koranic law or Constitutional law. Multiculturalism aside, Muslims cannot have it both ways, they must choose one, or the choice will not be theirs. Burning Korans aside, that's how freedom works.

Well written, Robert, and clearly Obama could have simultaneously mentioned the importance of free speech, or put pressure on political or religious leaders to do so. (Not that they would have had the backbone or political capital to do so.) But you make a strong argument. Obviously, the only way out of this mess is through--- a literal trial by fire.

Looming large over all this is that we simply don’t have the boots on the ground to protect innocents from the savages. Sadly, good people will continue to die.

Another thought... I imagine all of the spineless morons in the media who supposedly love and support freedom and human liberty wouldn't be so hard on Barnhardt as they were on Jones.

Again, thanks for posting those. Ann Branhardt is very, very inspiring. Full support.

YES! YES! Barnhardt is a patriot. I watched both parts and subscribed to her channel. She cuts an inspiring figure, what a warrior for the West!

Another JW'er posted it above. YouTube has already disabled comments for her videos.

"If you want to pick a fight, sir. You go right ahead but understand that if you pick a fight with me the only way it ends is with you sobbing in the men's room."

LOL, great work by Barnhardt.

The Psychopathic Islamic Ideology is blackmailing us into slowly accepting Sharia Law.
I think we should "shut down a mosque and deport it's clerics", whenever the Muslims go on a murderous rampage, as a result expressing our "freedom of speech" in the US.
The Muslims must know we mean businees about "maintaining our freedoms", and that we will NOT cave into their blackmail by murder!
Muslims need a consequence for their illegal murders of innocent people.

1) Their KILLING SPREES must have consequences, and the ISLAM IDEOLOGY should be BLAMED for the shutting down of a mosque and the deportation of its clerics. ISLAM is an ILLEGAL IDEOLOGY in the US... Religion is the "smoke screen" they use to keep us PC.

2) ISLAMS "illegal murderous rampages" of innocent people must have consequences.


I missed crusader's post.

I used to live not far from her, she bravely, challenged Graham and the kuranimals to come get her by giving them her name and address.

If I still lived nearby I would call her in heartbeat and offer her the services of myself and my 12 gauge should the kuranimals take her up on her challenge.

However, I have no doubt that she's armed to the teeth. She is a country girl after all.

I can be there too, IC. Add my Binelli, the Glock 40, and some tomahawks.

I hope everyone on JW sees her videos. I'll be sending them to all my mates.

What a warrior.

Barnhardt is a true Spartan and one hell of an Amazon.

You know, after you mentioned your tomahawks I think we might know each other.

Does "spatula" mean anything to you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMMnohC1jnY
English video: ISAF General Petraeus und NATO-Botschafter (ambassador) Mark Sedwill apologize for Quran burning through Pastor Dr. Terry Jones

But burning the Bible in Afghanistan by US is OK?

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Why the double standards?

Zweierlei Maß: Bibelverbrennungen im Iran
"Double standard: Bible burning in Iran

While the ISAF command in Afghanistan and NATO apologize on their knees that Muslims were offended by burning a Koran so that they have been forced literally to "infidels" to murder, to be burned in Iran hundreds of Bibles. That this could hurt the feelings of Jews and Christians, is for the mainstream politically correct do-gooders absolutely not a problem...."

(via google translate)

I did not recall Buddhists killing and rampaging after the disgusting talibans destroyed the Bamyan statues. Muhammadism is the most disgusting "faith" imaginable.

He could, in short, have used Jones’ barbecued Koran as a teaching tool to demonstrate why free societies are preferable to sharia states. But instead, Obama and the media are effectively reinforcing the principle that violent intimidation works...
............................

That's *exactly* what President Obama, and the Guardian's Matt Seaton, and all these other idiots in politics and the media are doing—emphasizing that *violent intimidation works*.

And these murderously rampaging Muslims *don't care* that there actions actually vindicate Pastor Jones' criticism of the Qu'ran as violent.

They just want to prevent anyone—Infidels especially—from feeling they have the right to openly criticize any aspect of Islam.

Unfortunately, all too many in the West seem to be happy to support them in squelching that free criticism.

Excellent article, Mr. Spencer.

Robert, as an expert on the Koran, you know more than anyone how worthtlessly low it is.

Burning the Koran is the only way this could get the attention of the world.

Of course he's read it, the only problem is idiots in the western world praise it without reading it and he's raised that issue somewhat.

It's not like the Hindu scriptures, or Sikh scriptures or the scriptures of any religion; I'm Catholic, I'm hardcore against abortion & contraception, for the Pope, etc, yet I would condemn the burning of these texts because at the very least IMO they contain the wisdoms & philosophies of their respective cultures

What does Islam have? What is there in it that should justify us not burning it?

Islam is only a justification to:

1) Kill all
2) Rape all
3) Steal all

That is the Koran, and there is nothing interesting to it; a collection of corrupted Gnostic gospels, fairytales & personal conveniences for Mohammad to take as many women to bed (or men, who knows).

No ma'am. Spatula doesn't register. Any location where we may have been acquainted?

What everyone is overlooking here. This is a war between good and evil. Between the Israelites and the muslims who both decended from Abraham. Between Jews who worship Yahweh and the muslims who worship a false G-d (Satan) who is trying to wipe out Israel and G-d's chosen people and anyone who supports Israel. We as Christians must take a stand and fight Islam. G-d's enemies must be our enemies. One can see the demonic forces inside them directing their actions as one watches video clips from different sources around the mid east and even the US.

Sudden Jihad Syndrome (SJS) is the equivalent of going digital: from a zero to a one which precludes them from being moderate, that is, some intermediate stage. We in the West, by contrast, are analog, having a variance between zero and one where small fluctuations are meaningful. We push them for a digital to analog conversion, and they demand an analog to digital conversion from us. That represents a vast psychological difference between us and them that cannot be bridged. That makes the war between the West and Islam electronic, so to speak.

Kufar are not innocent people. Obama knows this.

That location would be the same beautiful state where the feisty Miss Barnhardt is launching her one woman campaign against censorship and insanity.

LOL... No, unfortunately I've never been there. But I'd be on the road there in a New York minute if Barnhardt called.

Maybe we wielded tomahawks together in a previous life.

Against jihadists.

This shows why the Left needs to be swept away and sidelined. They claim to be such bold supporters of liberty, but they cave in and crawl before Islam at every opportunity.

Then again, there's an incredible talent for missing the obvious in or political and media leadership.

" This assumed that the Muslims who were rioting and killing over the burning of a book half a world away had no control over their reactions"

Well said Robert.

The media focus should be on the jihadists who did these crimes, rather than a independent fringe pastor in Florida.

It's possible except for the tomahawk part. I'm dangerous to myself with edged weapons. :)

Perhaps you were bashing mohammadan skulls with your tomahawk and I was picking them off with my long-bow.

It was most likely in Constantinople.

I had an overwhelming sense of deja vu the first time I was taken to a place called Eyup's Tomb in Istanbul shortly after my arrival there. I heard voices of men yelling and what I thought was the clanging of heavy machinery and the smell of smoke and I was hit with a wave of nausea.

This sensory overload was too much and I passed out, for the first time in my life. I was still stunned when I woke up and I asked my friends "what was that sound?" and described it to them. I was the only one who heard it and I've always just chalked it up to fatigue and the stress of acclimating to new surroundings.

But, now that you mention, maybe, just maybe we were there defending Byzantium from mohammad's hordes.

Simply amazing, IC. That's an incredible and vivid account. I've had some pretty serious cases of deja vu as well. Nothing so arousing to the senses as yours, however, but extremely exhilarating none the less.

As for being in Constantinople together fighting for that ancient city against Mohammad's hordes, that is a VERY romantic idea... and I would like to think it was so, or at least possible.

And if it's not, who says it still can't happen? Are we not warriors in a family dedicated to the defense of our Western Civilization?

We are.

It has been a pleasure corresponding with you throughout the day.

-- Roderick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWhlo9b9zg

Malaysian islamonazis recently desecrated Christian Bibles for using "allah" as a term for the deity that is supposed to be embraced by the "children of Abraham." Even though arabic language Bibles have always used the term, it appears that our current generation of slaves-of-allah doesn't believe that the kafirs believe in the same deity.

http://ousel.blogspot.com/2011/03/bible-desecration-shows-puerile.html

Bibles are routinely burned after they are confiscated from Christians in muslim tyrannies.

Wish there were more like the late Rabbi Meir Kahane !!

What an epic song and video!

Thanks for that link.

This time around instead of defending the righteous with broadsword and lance we're fighting with pen and paper.

Again the Gates of Vienna stand ready to hold back the wave of the supremacist, self-righteous, psychopathic mobs of mad mo.

My 66 year old mother confessed to me yesterday that she's worried and is pressing my dad to have a contingency plan.

I wondered to myself if this is how the mothers and grandmothers of Constantinople, Vienna, Kadisiya, Ctesiphon, Jerusalem, Alexandria and many, many other city/states and nations felt before mo's mad mobs attacked, raped and pillaged?

Then I wondered if they too had to deal with traitorous, ignorant and self-serving leaders who accused them of being "racist" or "islamophobic" before the swords of islam swept through their homes?

Istanbul Chick

this is for you and Roderick:

a modern Australian balladeer has written a song about the epic cavalry charge of the Australian Light Horse that took Beersheba from the Turkish Muslims and their German allies, and helped bring down the Ottoman Empire. Images are from a TV documentary called "The Lighthorsemen".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4aqE-70v_w&feature=feedrec


And this is for Istanbul Chick's mother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJx_Lu4PymE

This is my favourite hymn. One of my ambitions is to learn the original words by heart...in the original Old Irish.

And another lovely visual riff on the same piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHWiAGpIP0&feature=related


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