U.K.: Former Chief of Defence Staff sounds alarm over planned mosque with two 100-foot minarets overlooking Sandhurst military academy

For this, Lord Guthrie will be pilloried as an Islamophobe, and for good measure, a racist. But even those who will denounce due diligence as Islamophobia would have a difficult time avoiding the fact that they not only cannot guarantee any of the scenarios Guthrie describes below will not happen, but that jihadist sympathies are so widespread and internally unchallenged in British mosques that their likelihood is an unacceptable risk. Indeed, the report below shows there are already problems with the congregation at the existing mosque.

There is also the symbolic significance of the mosque and its towering minarets, seeming to throw down a gauntlet at the doorstep of Sandhurst, whose name is synonymous with excellence in Britain's military. Not unlike the Ground Zero mega-mosque, the ostentatious scale and proximity of this structure has all the appearances of a calculated provocation: let us do what we damn well please, or at the very least, we'll accuse you of wanting to commit crimes against humanity.

"Ex-Army chief's fears over plan for mosque next to Sandhurst," by Simon Walters for the Daily Mail, April 10 (thanks to JG):

A former head of the Armed Forces has warned that plans for a mosque overlooking Sandhurst could lead to attacks on the Royal Military Academy.
In a letter, Lord Guthrie says he is worried about the ‘security’ of the two 100ft minarets which will tower over the mosque, 300 yards from the Sandhurst parade ground.
And he is unconvinced by promises from the mosque leaders that it will not fall into the hands of extremists who support a ‘doctrine of hate’.
The letter by Lord Guthrie – who was Chief of the Defence Staff under Tony Blair – was written to the planning inspector chairing an inquiry into the proposed mosque.
The Mail on Sunday, which has obtained the letter, understands that it reflects fears among senior military figures that the minarets could be used by snipers or other terrorists.
Supporters of the mosque say the claim is irresponsible and untrue.
A listed Victorian school building is set to be demolished to make way for the £3 million building. More than 6,500 people have signed a petition to oppose it.
Hundreds of newly commissioned Army officers take to Sandhurst’s parade ground each year for the academy’s passing-out ceremony.
The event attracts senior members of the Royal Family, including the Queen, who was there when her grandson Prince Harry was commissioned in 2006.

British security forces would have to sweep and remain in the minarets for official events. Muslim groups would be quick to spin that as an "occupation," bigotry, profiling, humiliation, and so forth.

Lord Guthrie writes: ‘As a former Sandhurst cadet I must express my grave concern about the wisdom of allowing such a structure to proceed.’ He refers to ‘specific security concern about access to the proposed minarets’ and warns of the danger of the mosque ceasing to be run by ‘responsible individuals’, adding: ‘As has happened in many houses of worship, the nature of mosque management can change over time as moderates are replaced by more extreme elements.’ He says that there would need to be ‘guarantees that the mosque and the worshippers would not advocate a doctrine of hate against our Armed Forces or our country’.
He adds: ‘Past experience suggests that to give such assurances about the nature of the doctrines preached there would be very difficult, if not impossible.
‘For this reason, common sense alone suggests that planning permission should be refused.’
The row over the mosque first flared up last year after the Surrey Bengali Welfare Association requested permission to demolish the disused school they have been using since 1996. In its place, they proposed the new development.
The council rejected the plan, but the mosque supporters took the issue to the public inquiry.
Locals who oppose the project have complained that they feel intimidated by ‘extremist’ elements within the mosque. And the former chairman of the mosque, Luth Ful Karim, is said to have requested police protection after falling out with more hardline worshippers.
The Mail on Sunday has learned that Mr Karim is one of 11 worshippers who last year referred the Bengali Welfare Association to the Charity Commission because of the activities of hardliners. The commission has declined to give a ruling, saying it is an ‘internal matter’ for the association.
A report in 2007 by the Policy Exchange think tank found literature at the existing mosque which advocated Sharia law, polygamy and the repression of women.
The local MP, Education Secretary Michael Gove, has called on mosque supporters to withdraw their plans, saying they were threatening the area’s ‘good community relations’.
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"And he is unconvinced by promises from the mosque leaders that it will not fall into the hands of extremists who support a ‘doctrine of hate’."

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Fall into the hands of extremists?

It's beyond light bulb time, Guthie. You don't have to wait for the worrisome event of this mosque falling into the wrong hands. It's being proposed by the very extremists you fear. Every single Muslim is a ticking time bomb. Their sole fealty is to Islam and nothing else.

Mind you, two minarets for target practice by the cadets at Sandhurst would prepare them for combat in the new Caliphate being carved out by the Muslim Brotherhood across the Middle East.

Off Topic Off Topic
Hello gravenimage:
On models and minarets (skinarets). I feel confident speaking on Sean's behalf. It wasn't sexual per se. We were just expressing our total and utter contempt for Islam.

"The Mail on Sunday has learned that Mr Karim is one of 11 worshippers who last year referred the Bengali Welfare Association to the Charity Commission because of the activities of hardliners. The commission has declined to give a ruling, saying it is an ‘internal matter’ for the association.
A report in 2007 by the Policy Exchange think tank found literature at the existing mosque which advocated Sharia law, polygamy and the repression of women.
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Who is better to report on the activities inside a mosque than someone who was on the inside? Mr Karim's testimony is further backed up by the evidence found inside the mosque.

The Charity Commissions's cowardly retreat claiming ti is an "inside matter" (apparently referring to the mosque itself) is a clear signal that the political correctness of the non-Muslims indicates they are one step closer to submission. They are thoroughly intimidated by the Muslims and they are unwilling to stand up for themselves and their constituents.

Just what are the British military cadets to think when they begin to hear the prayer calls from the Muslim minarets five times a day at their doorstep. Will there be a concern when they have ceremonies interuppted by those same Muslim call to prayers. Will there be conflict if the British military asks the Muslims to be silent?

I suspect the proposed 100 ft tall minarets will be taller than existing buildings at the British military academy. The Muslims see this as sign of Muslim dominance.

Clearly such things in a Non-MUslim country are not just an "internal matter" for the Muslims to make the decisions. And just as clear, if the host country allows it to happen then they are just a step away from full dhimmitude and they might as well submit to a total surrender. Muslims are masters at resistance and persistance...they just keep attacking. Such actions should be met with an equal committment to preserve your way of life. Conflict is always ugly but sometimes it is necessary. THe construction plans of the minarets should not be allowed to happen. THere should be a ban on all new minaret construction as minarets are much more than mere religious culture items. It is time for Infidels to recognize just what a Muslim minaret means to a Muslim and then act accordingly.

When Muslims build mosques and minarets it's all about location, location, location....

Quote:

". . .overlooking Sandhurst could lead to attacks on the Royal Military Academy. . ."

A potential threat to a military institution has ample legal justification to eliminate that threat.

Eminent domain. Kelo.


Lan astaslem
لن استسلم‎

Mahoundians wouldn't use a mosque for a fort or fire on kufr soldiers from a minaret...Would they???

"The Mosques Are Our Barracks”


(inc. 9 mins video,
of June 2010.)

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/06/mosques-are-our-barracks.html


Churchill must be spinning in his grave at 200 mph!

Such dreaful curses indeed...

"And he is unconvinced by promises from the mosque leaders that it will not fall into the hands of extremists who support a ‘doctrine of hate’."

From what I learned in Blogging the Koran, a 'doctrine of hate' is not ancillary to Islamic philosophy. A 'doctrine of hate' is central to it.

But more to the point, doesn't 'minaret' in Arabic mean 'sniper's nest?'

. .indeed, someone posted a photograph of St Nicholas' cathedral in Famagusta here the other day. It's now a mosque with a hellish minaret afixed to the original structure. The minaret has what can only be described as arrow slots in it.

. .that should read slits, not slots. .I'm not very up to date with medieaval fortifications.

shoot. My spelling is atrocious. Medieval ? Well, West of the Jordan, East of the Rock of Gibralter.

How will the British submit to a total surrender? I am not just being flippant. At some point in time, the British people, even the government, will have to admit that they have ceded power to their immigrant Muslims. Will there be a big killing spree followed by occupation of Downing Street? Will the British government continue "as normal" but as a formalised dhimmi government answerable to Muslims? Which Muslims? The future is ominous but very vague. Britain is headed in a certain direction but how will its defeat be manifested? Does the British government ever think about its future, I wonder? Do the current politicians want power at all, if it is to be so compromised? Will the British regret destroying their class system and replacing it vindictively with power wielded by foreign barbarians?

"He says that there would need to be ‘guarantees that the mosque and the worshippers would not advocate a doctrine of hate against our Armed Forces or our country’.
He adds: ‘Past experience suggests that to give such assurances about the nature of the doctrines preached there would be very difficult, if not impossible."

What he meant to say was: 'They will be reading from and practicing the violently imperialistic hate mongering from the Koran and Hadith while ardently wishing to immitate Mr. Totalitarian' Muhammad therefore 'to give such assurances about the nature of the doctrines preached there would be very difficult, if not impossible'.
Burn the building plans.

I don't suppose they would accept 10 inch towers? Or perhaps the average length of a jihadi naughty bit - 10 millimeters?

London Bridge is falling down.......!!!

From Marisol's piece:

"A listed Victorian school building is set to be demolished to make way for the £3 million building. More than 6,500 people have signed a petition to oppose it."

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Hey, I'm just a regular old shmo of a teacher and composer, but I absolutely RECOIL at the prospect of some f'ing Mahoundians ripping into all that beautiful Kaffir - manipulated hardwood...
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Does this nonsense require serious thought? No.
Will it? Apparently, yes. But only from "our side".

Otherwise, continuing the debate would be demonstrably futile, I would argue.

Unless, of course, one finds a way to buy the land and the V house. Hmmm...

This is being covered over at New English Review, too.

And it should be noted that the school was not just any old school. It was a **Catholic** school.

That is: the Muslims managed to get their claws on a building that was originally built and operated by the Catholic church. It would surely have had a chapel in it. I wonder what's happened to the old chapel?

But, not content with simply taking over and using a building that once belonged to English Catholics, the Muslims are now proposing to raze it to the ground - with what infernal glee one can only begin to imagine - and erect, in its place, an enormous and truly hideous mosque.

I can only encourage British jihadwatchers to get behind Mr Michael Gove, MP, and particularly, behind Lord Guthrie, and PUSH. Flood their in-trays with encouraging letters and emails. Ring them up. Go visit them in person! Tell them that they are right: that this mosque, and most especially those potentially-sniper-tower minarets, **must not be built**. Especially, tell Lord Guthrie that his fears about national security, and the potential threat to cadets and VIPs visiting Sandhurst, are rational and should be the deciding factor.

Deception is part of their religion.
Do not believe them. Do not allow it to be built.

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