U.K.: Two candidates for Welsh assembly arrested for burning Qur'an

"Burning Half a Million Korans"

(8 min video)

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/33784

"Burning Korans"

(by Bill Warner)

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/burning-korans/

"Absurdities lie on either end of the spectrum of enforcement: either admit there is a double standard and the Qur'an is protected unlike any other book, or exhaust resources protecting all religions' holy writ from physical desecration, from the most ornate King James Bible to a paperback copy of Dianetics."

Judging by activities going on in the world today reguarding treatment of the Qur'an it would seem not only are the Muslims writing the rules they are getting the dhimmified infidels to enforce them...

arrrgggg!
"reguarding" should be "regarding".

Loved your pinning of their usage of the word 'it' Ms Seibold.

"Quoth the British Home Office in this report: "'The government absolutely condemns the burning of the Koran. It is fundamentally offensive to the values of our pluralist and tolerant society.'""

Maybe the British Home Office should review the tolerance and pluralistic values in Muslim dominated countries with special attention being given to the Muslim treatment of Christians and non-Muslims in those countries...Maybe the British Home Office should consider the possibility that the Muslims are intending to replace the British Home Office values of Pluralism and tolerance with Islamic valuess of Pluralism and tolerance...There are notable differences...THE British Home Office should review these distinct differences and start thinking about there decisions...

arrrgh!..rough day...."there decisions" should be "their decisions"..

What a joke....and a very sad one at that.

"'The government absolutely condemns the burning of the Koran. It is fundamentally offensive to the values of our pluralist and tolerant society.'"

What the Qur'an contains is offensive to the values of a pluralist and tolerant society.

It is of course utterly obscene that these individuals have been arrested for burning a few pieces of paper bearing hightly objectionable verses. Why is it that Muslims get 'offended' and go on the rampage when a book is burned, and yet they remain utterly silent over the large-scale paedophilia amongst their co-religionists in the UK? Why don't they get angry about that?

In connection with this, the English Defence League seek to obtain justice for at least 60 victims of what appears to be Muslim paedophilia (the media have been coy about divulging the confessional backgrounds of the 'non-white' perpetrators of this crime) in Blackpool. They have issued a set of demands to the police, and plan to bring large numbers of protesters onto the streets on 14 May. Will you be amongst them? http://durotrigan.blogspot.com/2011/04/edl-blackpool-demo-14-may.html

Has it realy come this far......
The more I read this site the more my pesimism grows. I have long seen Russia lost to the barbaric Muslim hordes, now I begin to see the same faith for Europe.

But I dont get it, with Russia things are understandeble to me. The corrupt government and the elite (the part of the sovjet nomenclatura that took power at 1991, deviding the economy of the country (and others too but thats another story) into their private property trys to keep things in Russia calm and prevent a war between Christians and Muslims to have more time to enrich itself by pumping oil out of the country while the European, Christian population is dieng out and the Muslim population increases in number (when things finaly escalate, they flee in foreigin countrys and enjoy their plundered wealth), but why the hell is the European leadership offering their incredible rich and powerfull countrys to a small minority of muslim emigrants? Since most Europeans (despite all the propaganda) are against the muslims (whous yought behaves as if they have conquered Europe) politicians who support the expansion of Muslim power risk to loose their electorate, but still they are even willing to destroy basic principles of democracy to apease a small group of saveges who are still rather powerless in Europe.

Its realy weird......

Burn Baby Burn!

Where do I send money for their campaigns?

Had they burned Bibles, nothing would have been said, and had they burned Torahs, they'd have been regarded as heroes.

"Obama's Mishandling of the Quran-Burning"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/obamas_mishandling_of_the_qura.html

This is fantastic. A Koran bookmarked with bacon and then the offending pages burned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc&feature=player_embedded

Part two is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LCLDjPNpf4&feature=related

Marisol wrote:

"Would they have been arrested for burning a Bible? A Bhagavad-Gita? A Torah? A Talmud? The Analects of Confucius? The Tao Te Ching?"

There is one sure way to test that.

I will send a polite letter to the BNP suggesting they simultaneously burn a copy of each of those books; leaving an unmolested copy of Qur'an front and center.

That should answer the question.

Scroll down and you'll find the report on BBC3's documentary "My Brother The Islamist" - still available to view online - in which Anjem Choudhury burns a US flag (outside the London US embassy to boot). Choudhury wasn't arrested.

Amazing imbalance by the UK authorities.

No doubt due to the fact that noone expects Americans to behead random Muslims in the US in response to Choudhury's provocation.

So the right of the enemies of democracy not to be offended trumps the right of the enemies of Jihad to express themselves. Interesting sense of priority.

Who's up for burning a copy of 'Mein Kampf' to see if the UK police step in to protect the sensitivities of the Nazi community......?

'Who's up for burning a copy of 'Mein Kampf' to see if the UK police step in to protect the sensitivities of the Nazi community......?"

- by which I mean: where does the madness end? Not that there is a UK Nazi community, of course. Unless you count the Islamo-fascists,

Europe needs the equivalent of a First Amendment.

If you've a taste for Lindsey Graham bashing, see these videos by Ann Barnhardt ... they are great.

1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc&feature=player_embedded

2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riSJcZC89Hc&NR=1

If you've a taste for Lindsey Graham bashing, see these videos by Ann Barnhardt ... they are great.

1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc&feature=player_embedded

2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riSJcZC89Hc&NR=1

Any UK lawyers on here?

I'd love to know what a "public order offence" (of the sort which the Koran-burners have been charged with) actually is.

I had a brief glance at the 1986 Public Order Act. It mentions acts which are intended to stir up racial hatred. Fair enough - racial hatred is illogical and, dare I say it, rather passé. Though I think Traeh is right - a First Amendment equivalent would be simpler and clearer

The Public Order Act doesn't mention protecting religious sensibilities- at least in the summary I read. Fair enough too, since religious sensibilities are illogical and who can say when they are offended.

I wonder - is the charge on the basis that the act of Koran burning is likely to disturb public order? If so, surely that's a dangerous basis on which to legislate, since it puts the power in the hands of whoever is willing to disturb public order when they decide to be offended.

I mean, if we all decide to have coordinated public violence every time someone eats green beans, can we get the eating of green beans classified as a public order offence?

I'd love to know.

Many of you will know that the UK census religion identity question is famously filled out "Jedi" by a lot of people. Now, does that mean that it's illegal to burn VHSs of 'Star Wars'? I'd love to know the answer to that too.

UK authorities are totally full of rubbish, not sure they could find their way out of a paper bag, anymore! They obviously show no respect for freedom of speech, from the ground up. The swansea police should be so ashamed of themselves, they ought to resign or arrest themselves, for desecration of the right to free speech, in of all places, the modern fountainhead of modern society and civilization!

And speaking of respectors of Freedom of Speech in America,
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She means what she says and says what she means!
She knows a h*** of a lot more about islam, than too many of our excuses for elected officials, including L. Graham, Reid, Pelosi, and many more, too numerous to mention. She knows much more about our American founding, and our Precious Principles of America and Freedom, than the aformentioned poorly elected individuals, and plenty more of them not mentioned here. She is remarkably well read, and another true modern day heroin. Catch her blog here, and prepare to be refreshed:

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You know who to vote for.

Don't give me that racist crap. British values for Britain.

Totally agree with all posters above. What I would like to know, though, is who are these quisling slime who handed these videos to the police ? Does the BNP have traitors within its ranks ? Probably. The quislings should be named and shamed. If the BNP would only ditch Griffin, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat.

Marisol, the primary issue of the case is not free speech but property rights. So, all those interested in the case would do well to answer, correctly, a simple question:

"Who owned the book that was burnt?"

Unfortunately, a great many Muslims seem to think that they own, wholly or in part, every Koran that happens to exist. Thus did some of them in Asia throw temper tantrums when the American pastor burnt one. But of course the Muslims are mistaken once again.

So, who owned the book that was burnt?

If it was Owens, or someone who had given permission to Owens, then the case should be tossed out of court with a reprimand to the arresting officers and the prosecutor. And if Owens did not own the book or have permission from its owner, then the only charge to which he ought to be subject is unlawful destruction of personal property. But as there seems to be no person (1) who has filed a complaint of this type and (2) who has standing to do so, we can conclude with little risk of being wrong that the owner was Owens or an acquaintance friendly to Owens. The same standard applies to Shannon.

Case dismissed.

From the piece:

"...after police were passed a video appearing to show him burning a copy of the Koran."

and this:

"...On Friday, police were given a video which appeared to show Mr Owens dousing a copy of the Koran with a highly flammable fluid..."
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Anybody else having a problem with the words "appearing" and "appeared"? WTF? To appear to do something on tape or the net is grounds for arrest?

Lakeview Paul, on this thread, is right: this is a property rights issue at its center. The concentric ideological circles, respectively, of free speech and privacy are, IMO, secondary and tertiary, and ought to be argued in this manner by counsel for the Welshmen.

Marisol wrote:

"By "it," one supposes they mean the burning. That kind of grammatical ambiguity could all but cause riots nowadays."

Yes, indeed, and it's quite clear that you must have had at least one halfway decent teacher.

"BNP member arrested for burning the Qur'an in his own garage"

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2011/04/bnp-member-arrested-for-burning-quran.html

They need to gather a few people willing to burn the bible, send off the video to the cops & wait & see what transpires. Will the police react the same to a bible burning as a koran burning?

Sorry, I've noticed someone else already posted something like my post above. I missed it because I don't always read all the comments. Still a great idea though, don't you think?

Burn Mao's Red Books and see how China reacts!!

I suspected that there might be something ironic about the behavior of the BNP's members, so I decided to have another look at "Constitution of the British National Party", 9th edition, 2005. Even a hilarious smart aleck like Doom-and-gloom should be able to appreciate it. Of course, there's a bunch of racist hooey in the BNP's constitution, but that's not ironic.

In Section 1, Political Objectives, 2)(b), I found the following passage:

"The British National Party is pledged to the maintenance of a private-enterprise economy operating within a broad framework of national economic policy. It is opposed to international monopoly capitalism AND to laissez-faire free trade and free movement of plant and capital." (Emphasis added.)

So, there you have it. BNP is a party for people who disdain property rights and who favor socialism in the guise of free enterprise. BNP, if allowed power, would preserve the forms of free enterprise but get rid of its substance. (Granted, they wouldn't have much work left to do.) They would make it national policy that a person can't buy or sell, say, Korans as he or she sees fit. Nor the equipment with which to print Korans, not to mention other books. No sir-eee. And it was rather clever of them to express opposition to “monopoly capitalism”, no? After all, what good person wouldn't oppose that?

The BNP's members are not without pedestrian contradictions, too. For example, in the very same subsection of Section 1 it reads that

"we believe that private property should be encouraged and spread to as many individual members of our nation as possible."

It's not hard to figure out where that policy goes given the hostility to laissez-faire and the desire to be planners who stipulate a "broad framework of national economic policy". They would be good, little New Dealers, to use an American expression. It so happens that there are some other very interesting, if not also entertaining, statements in the constitution of the BNP. For instance, in their "Statement of Principles", in which the foregoing passages are found, they share their dream of restoring the empire to something more like its former unity, at least for the people of the correct racial stock.

Given these passages and other comments by BNP, I think it fair to suggest that, in terms of American politics, the BNP is a little like a merger of the KKK and the Democrats, but with some Republicans thrown in for balance. (Bear in mind that the Republicans, too, are hostile to laissez-faire, though at times they posture as advocates of it.) I can only presume that BNP socialism is popular among laborers whose loyalty is coveted by other socialists, and who, like most laborers in this culture, have bad attitudes that leave them vulnerable to the rhetoric of socialists, whatever their stripe.

Now, I think that there's at least one more irony of the case. If the court dared to rule correctly, it could undermine not only the BNP but also the Muslims and other socialists all at once. All of these knaves need a strong central government and weak property rights to make their respective tyrannies work, so the correct decision would be a slap across all their faces and a timely hampering of their common criminalism. It would undermine even the authority of the central government, which seems to be using an old ploy about compelling state interests to rationalize the prosecution of Owens and Shannon, as if the book that was burnt had been the property of the government.

Again, Lakeview Paul is absolutely correct. He wrote:

"BNP, if allowed power, would preserve the forms of free enterprise but get rid of its substance. (Granted, they wouldn't have much work left to do.) They would make it national policy that a person can't buy or sell, say, Korans as he or she sees fit."

Nice. And yes, they'd be bored out of their wits with nothing to do, Paul. heh...

People burn all sorts of written words, old magazines, newspapers, damaged books,etc. This is not about burning a book, its about doing in a qur'an.

How about a video of hacking a qur'an to pieces with a knife? Or, using sissors until it is very tiny pieces? A can of blood red spray paint to cover the pages, making the words unreadable. Having a class finger paint the words with a rainbow of colors. A video of a qur'an left out in a rainstorm for a month, or give a copy to a Goat to feast on, etc, etc.

Burning the qur'an is old news, and if a processed tree product can do a fire, it can befall many other events.

This burning book thing is getting to be a real child raising pain.

The koran - the book of lies and hate - is protected by the Devil! As such, as an evil book they must all be burnt!

I am sure my Welsh Grandfather - a coal miner in the Black Country - would agree!

"'The government absolutely condemns the burning of the Koran. It is fundamentally offensive to the values of our pluralist and tolerant society.'"

Excuse me? Never mind that the BNP is the closest thing in Britain to the KKK. That is immaterial. What is material are two glaringly wrong things in that statement: that the government “condemns” the burning of any book and assumes the “moral” power to punish anyone, and that its punitive power in that respect reflects a “pluralist and tolerant” society. Obviously, the government is neither “pluralist” nor “tolerant.” That is, it will not tolerate an action that “offends” the collect of an ideology that is arsenic to freedom of speech. Now suppose one burned privately owned copies of several other books and posted the action on Youtube. Let’s make a list and see if the government would send in the thought police if one burned a copy of: “Atlas Shrugged,” by Ayn Rand; or “Economic Sophisms,” by Frederic Bastiat; or “The Theory of Money and Credit,” by Ludwig von Mises; or “The Road to Serfdom,” by F.A. Hayek; or “1984,” By George Orwell; or “The River War,” by Winston Churchill; or “Alms for Jihad,” by Melanie Phillips.

You get the picture. One wouldn’t hear a peep from Britain’s “intellectual cops.” Burning those books would be fine with them, because they all repudiate precisely what that government stands for. After all, the only people who might be offended are those who value their freedom. They’re in a minority, and not likely to riot and rape and rob and demonstrate with signs that read “To Hell with freedom of speech,” or “Islam will rule the world,” or “Behead all those who insult Islam.”

“Pluralism,” by the way, is the notion that two or more antithetical ideologies and cultures can “coexist” in the same society, a notion that simply leads to one ideology, by means of force or the threat of it, dominating all others. “Tolerance” is another fallacious notion, meaning that all values are relative and that none is superior. That is, freedom is on the same level as servitude.

Britain is now, effectively, a muslim state, governed by sharia law. This incident is the latest in a catalogue of foul attacks on heritage British people and their culture, values, traditions and beliefs. This was an electoral conspiracy, involving the police, the press and Camoron's dhimmi, puppet, government. There is no democracy here any more - just freedom for immigrants to do as they please - and it is all being fuelled from the European Courts and their perverse anti-European Human Rights policy of undermining ethnic, heritage Europeans in favour of third world immigrants - it is corrupt to the core and is working for our destruction. Just a few European nations have the courage to start challenging this - too late, I fear, alas!

Briton better stop and think about what it is doing and where it is headed. You are losing your culture and your common sense.

Muslims have taken so much control of your society that you are in danger of losing your country. This is what unchecked immigration has done for you.

We are having the same problem with hispanics and also with muslims. If the people in office don't get smart and realize what is happening we are all in deep trouble.

Maybe we need a national Burn a Koran Day to wake our politicians up.