The feds are trying to win the trust of the Muslim community. It never seems to occur to anyone, in light of all the jihad plots that have been uncovered in the U.S. over the last two years, that the Muslim community should be trying to win the trust of the feds.
More on this story. "Feds seek trust of Muslim community," by Curtis Morgan for the Miami Herald, May 15 (thanks to Twostellas):
[...] Dozens of federal agents appeared at early Saturday morning prayer to arrest Hafiz Muhammad Sher Ali Khan, the frail 76-year-old imam, and two of his sons, one who led the Masjid Jamaat Al-Mumineen Mosque in Margate, on charges of funneling money to the Pakistani Taliban to buy weapons and support militant training. All three are scheduled to make a first appearance in federal court on Monday.A day after the raids, members of the mosque as well as South Florida’s Muslim community remained stunned and concerned. Some fear ugly backlash. Nezar Hamze, executive director of the [Hamas-linked] Council on America-Islamic Relations, said two hate calls had been directed at the Miami mosque and one at Margate mosque. For others, he said, the case – built largely on bank records and taped phone calls — rekindled the sense they’re being singled out for secret surveillance.
“The FBI has a very important job to do and we support it,’’ said Hamze. “However, their job sometimes crosses the line and interferes with the rights of peaceful Muslim people.’’
But in at least small ways, the South Florida arrests also signaled a subtle positive shift in dealings between federal law enforcement agencies and the Muslim-American community it has monitored closely since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The raids were conducted under new national rules of engagement intended to show more sensitivity toward religious practices and tamp down the flames of haters after a series of outreach meetings in South Florida this year among federal law enforcers and Muslim leaders.
When U.S. Attorney Wifredo Ferrer and FBI John V. Gillies, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Miami Office, announced the arrests they both stressed that other mosque members and the rest of the community should not be branded by the alleged terrorist actions of a handful of its members. Ferrer, in a phone interview Sunday with The Herald, reiterated that message.
“They are as American as apple pie,’’ he said. “They are just as concerned about terrorist attacks as anyone else. They do not want to live in fear.’’
Ferrer said the outreach programs were initiated last year by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to address concerns over increasing tensions and hate crimes – including a pipebomb explosion last year at a Jacksonville mosque – and law enforcement tactics that some Muslim leaders have criticized as heavy-handed, including planting undercover agents in mosques.
Along with the outreach meetings, the U.S. Attorney’s Office earlier this month hosted a training session at Broward College in Davie for 65 federal, state and local agents and officers aimed at “at enhancing law enforcement officers’ cultural competence and sensitivity on issues involving the Arab, Muslim and Sikh American communities’’
Ferrer said his message to Muslim leaders is that they should not feel isolated. “We want to make it very clear that we are their U.S. attorney, we are their Justice Department.’’
Asad Ba-Yunus, a former Miami-Dade assistant state attorney who now serves as legal adviser for the Coalition of South Florida Muslim Organization, said the charges against the two imams and four others came as a “shock’’ but he praised the handling of the arrests.
After the heavily armed agents flooded the grounds of the Flagler Mosque, a small converted house in a modest neighborhood west of Milam Dairy Road and north of Flagler Drive, they waited for morning prayer to finish before arresting Khan outside.
“Instead of barging in with 25 agents and trampling all over the place, one agent took off his shoes and went in,’’ he said. “”They respected the congregation that was there.’’
After the arrest, agents informed other Muslim leaders before going public, Ba-Yunus said, so there was some lead time to prepare for media inquiries. Ba-Yunus saw those steps as progress stemming from meetings with federal authorities....
As for allegations against Hafiz Kahn and others, Ba-Yanus and Hamze condemned any support of terrorism but said they wanted to see the evidence before passing judgment. In reading quotes from phone calls in the indictment, Hamze wondered if conversations had been misconstrued and “something had been lost in the translation.’’...
Of course! It was taken out of context, as well!
Agents followed new politically correct rules when arresting Florida imam accused of funding Taliban
That arrest should have been made as it is on NBC's To Catch a Predator, by throwing the imam to the ground and jumping on its back to handcuff it. Following that, when the thing is hungry in its cell, it should be given all the crispy bacon it can chow down.
This wasn't some, quiet sit in the corner fringe nut job lost in the mosque/fort's congregation, this was the, "leader, and his family" of this Islamic fort, but everyone involved trips over themselves to avoid that reality.
“They are as American as apple pie,’’ he said.
Sure they are...I wonder who told him that? I hope when the idiots now in office are finally removed, we can also remove these PC Federal employee's along with them...
A day after the raids, members of the mosque as well as South Florida’s Muslim community remained stunned and concerned. Some fear ugly backlash.
Why? Has there ever been a backlash, ugly or otherwise, for them to justify such a fear? Why don't the media ever ask this? Without any historic precedent to point to, such a fear of a backlash is a totally irrational, and therefore unlike Islamophobia which is quite rational considering the number and frequency of Islamic jihad attacks against non-Muslims around the world, Muslim's backlashophobia really is a phobia.
“They are as American as apple pie,' [U.S. Attorney Wifredo Ferrer] said.
What a lie. Muslims and Islam are as alien to North America as Martians.
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“[Muslims] are just as concerned about terrorist attacks as anyone else."
I don't believe that for a second.
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"[Muslims] do not want to live in fear." That may or may not be true. What Muslims do want however is that we live in fear of them.
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We should only call Muslims as “Muslims who live in America,” NEVER EVER “Muslim Americans” or "American Muslims." No other faith believer so self-stylizes him/her|self in this manner. Methodist American, Christian American, Jewish American, Sikh American. None of that. Muslims do this as another avenue to push their political religion by co-opting the well-deserved decent-ness of America. In short, Muslims are stealing yet something else, this time our reputations.
Muslims are not Americans; they are not here for the opportunities and the freedoms that the concept of Americanism – limited government, personal responsibility – has given to so many. Rather, Muslims are here for colonization and conquest. They cannot be considered Americans because of their adoption of Islam. Sharia (total government) and American constitutional law (government contained/controlled by the people; hey, at least that's the theory) couldn’t be farther apart.
By their own admissions Muslims tell us repeatedly that their one and only allegiance is to Islam. On this score I believe them.
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AUSTRALIA - Muslims use multiculturalism to push for sharia
THE nation's peak Muslim group is using the Gillard government's re-embracing of multiculturalism to push for the introduction of sharia in Australia, but it says it would be a more moderate variety of Islamic law that fits with Australian values.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-for-sharia/story-fn59niix-1226057100331
As American as Apple Pie ? Well, there you go then, Apple Pie is English!
It really does seem that the US is going down the same drain as the UK - and just a couple of years back all we Dhimmi Brits got from the yanks was "it will NEVER happen here!" - ahem, catching up really quickly methinks...
Islam will disappear Inshallah.
Looks like a visit from Pastor Terry Jones is in order. As many Floridians as possible should join him.
My second child graduated from college this past Saturday. Shouts of "Allahu Akbar" went up every time a Muslim's name was announced. Everyone looked around for the possible blast...way too many Muslim men getting chemistry degrees.
'..........the Muslim community should be trying to win the trust of the feds.'
This truly is baffling.
Americans should demand that muslims prove their allegiance to the US Constitution and to American values. The Feds should refuse to kow-tow to muslim demands of treating islam with respect. Tell them respect has to be earned.
muslims demand that no non-muslims will touch the koran with their hands and Americans happily oblige.
muslims demand that shoes should be removed outside their mosque when on a police raid, Americans happily oblige.
muslims demand that the US flag not be flown at Gitmo, Americans happily oblige.
Americans, wake up.
This is a religion which will keep demanding inch-by-inch. And once they are in a majority, they will take over your country democratically.
Some Muslims are indeed peaceful but the religion they believe in does not believe in peace (other than temporary truces when members of the ummah are not as strong as the infidel) until everyone has submitted. I wish the FBI would comprehend at least this much. Not there yet.
This nonsense about mahoundians "being as American as apple pie" was also peddled by The Economist to refer to Ground-Zero mosque imam Feisal Rauf, in this article, where opponents of sharia are also depicted as paragons of intolerance and hate-mongers... The overall message of that piece is that basically building that mosque is the only thing that can prevent the end of the world. It can't get anymore sickening than that.
And when the FBI declines to investigate a particular case and local LEO who don't play by pussy rules go to serve a warrant on a mosque where there really is some nefarious activity being planned a/o conducted, there will be dead cops; shot coming through the door because the Fan Belt Inspectors want to bend over and take it in the shorts to please lying boy-lovers who shouldn't be here in the first fakking place.
Was that a run-on sentence?
The FBI and ALL other Fed groups had better start being alot more concerned about gaining and KEEPING the trust of the NON-muzzies. Islam and the US constitution are diametrically opposed and MUTUALLY exclusive. Islam is a false religion -- just a mafia blueprint
The problem I have with arrests like this is the fact that the people who were busted were Imams. Imam's are the Islamic scholars who lead the Mosque. If these guys were involved in supporting terrorism, one has to wonder how much influence they had over the congregation itself. This is hard for many Americans to reconcile and get past when hearing a news announcement like this.
Imagine the next time the FBI agents enter in their socks and there are spikes on the floor. Or the shooting starts and they are in bare feet. Not condusive to shooting well.
Imagine the next time the FBI agents enter in their socks and there are spikes on the floor. Or the shooting starts and they are in bare feet. Not condusive to shooting well.
The PC foolishness is just that.
But kudos to the arresting of the slimeball on his testosterone day, in full view of anyone daring to associate himself with this place of Muhammad-worship.
They could have just as easily done it at his home or the supermarket.
But likely, they were afraid of dealing with Muslim wives and 800 children or the danger to civilians in a grocery store, so I think I understand why the mosque.
Not bravado: just less likely to fire on other Muslim males than kuffir or women and children.
"They are as American as apple pie."
Properly made apple pie has lard in the crust. And lard is from pigs, folks. The US Attorney just insulted muslims. It again seems that the government wants to be dhimmi, but just can't seem to get it right.
Dozens of federal agents appeared at early Saturday morning prayer to arrest Hafiz Muhammad Sher Ali Khan, the frail 76-year-old imam, and two of his sons, one who led the Masjid Jamaat Al-Mumineen Mosque in Margate, on charges of funneling money to the Pakistani Taliban to buy weapons and support militant training. All three are scheduled to make a first appearance in federal court on Monday.
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"Frail", huh? apparently, not too "frail" to funnel money to *the Taliban*.
More:
A day after the raids, members of the mosque as well as South Florida’s Muslim community remained stunned and concerned. Some fear ugly backlash.
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Apparently no one at the mosque was concerned about whether any of their hard-earned Zakat was now *funding the Taliban*. all we'll hear about is fears of a mythical "backlash".
More:
For others, he said, the case – built largely on bank records and taped phone calls — rekindled the sense they’re being singled out for secret surveillance.
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In other words, the Infidels caught us.
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“The FBI has a very important job to do and we support it,’’ said Hamze. “However, their job sometimes crosses the line and interferes with the rights of peaceful Muslim people.’’
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Yes, but not in this case—not if they have been *funding the Taliban*. Wouldn't this protest carry a bit more weight if these suspicions proved false?
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The raids were conducted under new national rules of engagement intended to show more sensitivity toward religious practices and tamp down the flames of haters...
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The "flames of haters" probably refers to Terry Jones' Qu'ran bbq, rather than Jihad terror plots or funding the Taliban.
More:
When U.S. Attorney Wifredo Ferrer and FBI John V. Gillies, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Miami Office, announced the arrests they both stressed that other mosque members and the rest of the community should not be branded by the alleged terrorist actions of a handful of its members.
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"A handful of its members"—never mind that these included the *Imam and his sons*.
If the mosque's congregation was really anti-terrorism, they would be *horrified* to learn that their own Imam was involved in terror funding.
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“They are as American as apple pie,’’ he said. “They are just as concerned about terrorist attacks as anyone else. They do not want to live in fear.’’
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How does any Kaffir say this with a straight face?
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“Instead of barging in with 25 agents and trampling all over the place, one agent took off his shoes and went in,’’ he said. “”They respected the congregation that was there.’’
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What if this had been a dangerous situation? Here's *one agent, in his stocking feet*...
Besides, doesn't this Infidel FBI agent realize he is polluting this mosque merely by his filthy Kuffar presence?
Gravenimage
nice analysis. Nothing to add, except that that bit about the agents taking off their shoes and tippy-toing in, having dutifully waited till the ritual was over, really, really got to me.
;After the heavily armed agents flooded the grounds of the Flagler Mosque, a small converted house in a modest neighborhood west of Milam Dairy Road and north of Flagler Drive, they waited for morning prayer to finish before arresting Khan outside.
“Instead of barging in with 25 agents and trampling all over the place, one agent took off his shoes and went in,’’ he said. “”They respected the congregation that was there.’’'
This whole account just made me wince.
Because one of the key aspects of policing (and of the military, too, I have always understood) is the element of surprise. If you're going in to arrest someone you do NOT give the suspect/s advance warning.
You pounce, when least expected, using overwhelming force (especially necessary when dealing with Muslims - the Australian police have learnt this), waving the search warrant, and you ARREST, before anyone has a chance to hide anything or get their cover story straight...or bolt out of the back door, or grab a weapon, or weapons.
When the police in Sydney, a few years ago now I think it was, suspected that some Muslim households were hiding illegal weaponry, drugs, etc, they swooped on the targets - having obtained the relevant search warrants - out of the blue, with massive backup forces, and went through the houses like a bucket of salts, scooping up and arresting anyone who resisted. The Mohammedan insta-mob that then formed, was met by the riot squad and the Dog Squad.
The Muslims threw a huge tantrum because the police raid took place on an evening in Ramadan (and because some of the women were caught insufficiently covered, or something); but Sydney's hard-hearted Sergeant Plods couldn't care less; Ramadan iftar meant merely that all their suspects were conveniently assembled in a limited number of places. The Muslims got exactly the same treatment that criminals of any other religio-cultural background would have got: if you're suspected of dealing drugs/ stealing cars/ hiding illegal weapons, then it's just tough bikkies if the day the cops pounce on you to search your premises or to arrest your dear darlin' criminal family member happens to be your birthday/ New Year's Day/ Christmas Day.
This bit, too, really made me wince and cringe:
"After the arrest, agents informed other Muslim leaders before going public, Ba-Yunus said, **so there was some lead time to prepare for media inquiries.."** {my emphasis - dda}.
I'll bet they appreciated that.
Time to consult together and cook up and coordinate their taqiyya spin in advance.
From the article:
'When U.S. Attorney Wifredo Ferrer and FBI John V. Gillies, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Miami Office, announced the arrests they both stressed that other mosque members and the rest of the community should not be branded by the alleged terrorist actions of a handful of its members.
'Ferrer, in a phone interview Sunday with The Herald, reiterated that message.
“They are as American as apple pie,’’ he said. “They are just as concerned about terrorist attacks as anyone else. They do not want to live in fear.’’"
'They [Muslims residing in America and in this case attending a mosque run by an Imam funnelling their zakat to the Taliban - dda] are as American as apple pie'.
I've heard that line before.
See this article by Spencer's friend and former Jihadwatch board member 'Hugh Fitzgerald', from the jihadwatch archives, August 2008:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/08/fitzgerald-muslims-and-america.html
Here's how it begins, just to give the newer members of this forum a sample, and to encourage them to click on the link and read the rest of it.
'Fitzgerald: Muslims and America
"We have a message: Muslim Americans are as American as apple pie” – from this article in The Guardian about Muslims at the Democratic National Convention in Denver
'If Muslims are "as American as apple pie," are they as American as pumpkin pie, the pumpkin pie traditionally served at Thanksgiving, which like Independence Day, Memorial Day, and other national holidays, are not to be observed by observant Muslims, for only Muslim holidays, Muslim history, Muslim everything, counts?
'And one more question. If Muslims have no trouble at all being "as American as apple pie" then surely they have no trouble viewing the defining document of the American polity, the Constitution of the United States, as worthy of their complete loyalty.
'And that includes, of course, the guarantees of individual rights in the Bill of Rights.
'And since the Bill of Rights is so very close, in so many of its key provisions -- freedom of speech, freedom of conscience (which naturally includes the right to apostatize) -- to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, can we conclude that American-as-apple-pie American Muslims find it puzzling that all of the Muslim countries (save for the Shah's Iran, and most temporarily and temporizingly) have failed to subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and instead have concocted a Muslim version, the so-called Cairo Declaration, which in every essential respect, involving individual rights, fatally vitiates the original, Universal Declaration?
'These people can carry on all they want with their bromides, and their pledges-of-fake-allegiance,
'but to the precise extent that they are True Believers in Islam, and Defenders of the Faith, to that exact extent they cannot conceivably owe their allegiance, above what Islam commands and prohibits, to the American Constitution.
'And that means no Believer who owes his loyalty to Islam and fellow members of the Umma, that is, no one calling himself a Muslim who is truthful about the requirements of this Total Belief-System and what it inculcates (above all, the division, permanent and immutable, between Believer and Infidel, until such time as Infidel becomes Believer), can conceivably owe his allegiance to a document that is flatly contradicted, in letter and spirit, by the Shari'a.
'We are getting tired of the Interfath Healers, the three-abrahamic-faith boys, the we're-as-American-as-apple-pie mountebanks and carney barkers.
'And the more they say this, the more they insist on these phrases that are so easily seen to be hollow, the more they elicit in people of sense, people willing to find out for themselves (the texts are a click away, the testimonies of defectors from the Army of Islam, the apostates, are a click away -- what Islam teaches, what Muslims believe), a deep and growing suspicion...".
Has there ever been a backlash, ugly or otherwise, for them to justify such a fear?
Yes, the "backlash" Muslims themselves mete out to dhimmi populations. They are, you see, projecting, because Muslims are incapable of thinking beyond or outside themselves.
These imams were Mirandized and got the whole, nine legal yards probably because some prosecutor wants to make it impossible for a radical defense lawyer to turn the trial into a media circus.
You wrote:
"Time to consult together and cook up and coordinate their taqiyya spin in advance."
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I am very interested in what I think you are proposing here.
Could you please elaborate further, DDA?
Dee
when I wrote - 'I'll bet they appreciated that.
Time to consult together and cook up and coordinate their taqiyya spin in advance" what I meant was: "I'll bet they appreciated that. [The FBI so-considerately, by the advance warning, giving them] time to consult together and cook up and coordinate their taqiyya spin in advance."