Will the Islamophobia never end? An update on this story. "Muslims Attack Christians in Egypt, 12 Killed, 232 Injured," by Mary Abdelmassih for AINA, May 8:
(AINA) -- Christians Copts in the area of Embaba were attacked Saturday evening by Muslim Salafis. The attacks lasted for 14 hours. The Muslims fired guns and rifles and hurled Molotov cocktails at Coptic churches, houses and businesses. 12 Copts were killed and 232 injured.The church of Saint Mina church was the first to be attacked. According to its pastor Fr. Abanoub the attack started at 5.30 PM on Saturday May 7, when church parishioners noticed a large number of Salafis, estimated at 3000 men, congregating near the church. Anticipating trouble, the army was called. The Salafis went to the church and asked to search it because they believed a Christian girl named called Abir, who had converted to Islam, married a Salafi and wanted to revert back to Christianity, was hiding inside the church. The Muslims circulated a rumor that the husband of Abir received a call from her asking him to save her as she was being "tortured" inside the church.
The governor of Giza said that there are no girls hiding in St. Mina Church. He falsely claimed that things were under control and a "reconciliation" meeting will be arranged for tomorrow. The army later cordoned off the entire district of Embaba.
Father Yohanna Mansour from Giza Bishopric confirmed that no one knows this alleged girl called Abir. He said the congregation was meeting at church and the Salafis wanted to break into the church and force a search to look for this alleged convert, he said in an interview with the Egyptian State TV. "Muslims always come invited to church, but this would have set a precedent that Muslims would use to search our churches." He refused the "reconciliation" meeting and insisted on the application of the law.
According to Fr. Abanoub the Salafis started shooting at 5:30 but the army arrived at 10 PM. "I called everyone, but no one bothered to come." He said six policemen came and left when they saw the shooting. There were also snipers shooting the parishioners from rooftops. "I mourn all those young people who died. We now must ask for international protection."
The second church attacked by Salafis was St. Mary and St Abanob, also in Embaba. Muslims prevented the fire brigade from reaching it. Copts were also shot. This video shows the wounded brought inside the church.
The third church attacked was St. Mary Church in Wehda Street in Embaba, the ground floor of which was completely torched (video).
An apartment complex inhabited by Copts, near St. Mina Church, was set on fire after being looted. Another two houses were torched (video).
Youssef Edward, a deacon at St. Mina Church, said the army and security forces stood watching while Muslims threw Molotov cocktail at homes. He said the Muslims who attacked the church came from outside, as Muslims from the area live peacefully with them. "The army was not able to control the situation, and the mob was chanting 'Islamic', 'Islamic'" (video showing wounded Copts and a dead Copt named Medhat in St. Mina).
As soon as Copts heard of the Salafi attacks, they rushed to protect their churches. There were contradictory reports of Copts using guns to defend themselves.
Witnesses reported the Salafis were wearing Taliban style clothes. "I believe they are of the 3000 Jihadis who returned lately from Afghanistan," Saber Loutfi, one of the Embaba residents told Coptic Free Voice.
Renowned Muslim liberal writer Nabil Sharaf el Din said on the Coptic Hope Sat Channel "The army is either incapable or is an accomplice to the Salafis." He believes that what took place today exceeds anything else that had previously happened to the Copts. "If the army does not takes a stern position with the Salafis they will look real bad." He said that all moderate Muslims and Copts should stick together to overcome the Salafis. In his opinion the Salafis, who were encouraged and nurtured by the old State Security, are like the genie who has come out of the lamp and now cannot be restrained or controlled.
The Bishop of Giza, Anba Theodosius, said "These things are planned. We have no law or security, we are in a jungle. We are in a state of chaos. One rumor burns the whole area. Everyday we have a catastrophe." Addressing the Salafis he said "We will never leave our country".
Most witnesses interviewed asked for international protection of the Copts, as the army does nothing when it comes to attacks on Copts. Others accused the army of complicity.
Camelia Shehata, who the Muslims claim had converted to Islam and was held by the church against her will, appeared today on Hayat Christian TV and said Muslim claims are groundless and that she is 100% Christian. She denied that she had met any of the Salafi sheikhs who claimed they went with her to Al-Azhar to convert to Islam.
A large number of Copts are presently staging a sit-in in front of the US Embassy in Cairo, asking for International Protection for the Copts.
Coptic groups have called for a "million-man" protest in Cairo and Alexandria on Sunday to protest the Embaba attacks. The march will start at the High Court and end in Maspero, in front of the State TV Building....
Chris Matthews, Shepard Smith, Rachel Maddow et al. You catchin' all this?
I rather doubt you are.
Useful idiots to be sure. Damn ignorant too. Compounded by their haughtiness.
The Western media remains overwhelmingly clueless about the Islamic world. This is a given as is mucho Muslims regularly acting in violent hissy-fit mode all the while claiming victim status.
Some things never change.
But what is changing is that ordinary folks (this, of course, would exclude the bulk of the Western media, academia and the political world) are beginning to understand that Islam is rotten to the core and non-Muslim apologists for Islam are fools.
The good news here is that while some things never change, other things do. Yep, we live in very interesting and fluid times. Need a beer.
I am very much afraid that we are witnessing the beginnings of something even worse than the jihad genocide of the Armenian Christians (along with the Greeks and Assyrians) that took place in Turkey in the early 20th century.
There are something like 8 to ten million Copts in Egypt, but they are scattered, in 'pockets', all of them surrounded and grossly outnumbered by some 70 million Muslims, the vast majority of whom are all too ready to believe and act upon the hysterical rantings of their sheikhs.
It is perfectly possible that the Muslim gang bosses are getting ready to scream in unison from every mosque, telling the devout Muslims to rise up and murder every single Copt in Egypt.
But will any of our wilfully clueless western governments actually recognise that they may be about to witness a Muslim mass-murder of Egypt's indigenous Coptic Christians?
Egypt is not the plains and swamps of southern Sudan where Muslims have been murdering Christians and animists by the thousands upon the thousands for decades. It is not the distant eastern islands of the Indonesian archipelago - Sulawesi, the Moluccas, the jungle-clad hills of West Papua - where Christians were killed or displaced by the tens and hundreds of thousands. Egypt is just on the southern shore of the Mediterranean; thousands upon thousands of Western tourists have been there on holidays.
Is there a way to get rid of the sound track? It is annoying as hell when I'm trying to read.
Hi Kepha -
Just let the soundtrack play out naturally. It will end, eventually....sigh.
well, the "tiny minority" managed to gather 3000 this time based solely on a rumour. I'm hoping you are wrong DDA, but I sadly doubt it.
Happy Mothers day!
The time has near come for the non-Islamic world to cut all ties with the Islamic world. I say leave Islam to the Muslims and let them destroy themselves...
Leave Islam to the Muslims and then let the inevitably bloodshed and infighting burn Muhammad's exceeding perverse cult into the ground...
This piece, although absolutely horrific, on its face, begs for some analysis. No long, drawn out, link-infested garbage will follow, just the info. from the article.
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First this, from the end:
"Camelia Shehata, who the Muslims claim had converted to Islam and was held by the church against her will, appeared today on Hayat Christian TV and said Muslim claims are groundless and that she is 100% Christian. She denied that she had met any of the Salafi sheikhs who claimed they went with her to Al-Azhar to convert to Islam."
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Alright, so this little nugget seems to be incontrovertible, on its face, yet one is loathe to even bring it up, since it can be surmised that this "conspiracy" concocted by Imams has a "life of its own", much as does the aftermath of UBL's demise in Pakistan, where it is reported today (on Hot Air) that 2/3 of Pakistanis do not believe that UBL is dead. Nonetheless, eventually, even conspiracy-theory prone Middle Easterners will eventually submit to the truth. This info. referenced directly above, would seem to do the trick, but don't count on it yet.
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Next:
"The Muslims circulated a rumor that the husband of Abir received a call from her asking him to save her as she was being "tortured" inside the church.
The governor of Giza said that there are no girls hiding in St. Mina Church."
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This is classic, macho, Middle-Eastern, Islamic misogyny at work here, yet again, only with a particularly bizarre twist, since, in their hearts, the Imams know they are lying. The mob mentality is due to years of brainwashing.
The reference to "torture" is projection on a grand scale.
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Next:
"Father Yohanna Mansour from Giza Bishopric confirmed that no one knows this alleged girl called Abir. He said the congregation was meeting at church and the Salafis wanted to break into the church and force a search to look for this alleged convert, he said in an interview with the Egyptian State TV. "Muslims always come invited to church, but this would have set a precedent that Muslims would use to search our churches."
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The first mistake here is "inviting" Muslims to church. Anyway, it's moot. But he is correct in noting that a precedent would have been set, and his suspicions are valid.
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"There were also snipers shooting the parishioners from rooftops. "I mourn all those young people who died. We now must ask for international protection."
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Interestingly, I just heard on the news that 12 Muslims died from this "shooting into the crowd"
This is pure, unadulterated, unhinged, Muslim Mob Mentality.
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Finally, this:
"The army was not able to control the situation, and the mob was chanting 'Islamic', 'Islamic'"
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Well, well, well. The cat's out of the bag, again.
Will it show its claws?
This is supposed to be the week we're rejoicing over justice finally having caught up with O's mama bin Layin'. Anybody else as sick and tired of the endless stream of OBL in memoriam shots (minus what should have been the obligatory gaping hole where his left eye used to be), the continued use of the bastard phrase "War on Terror", Zero spinning it all to his own advantage aided and abetted by the very people who dragged him kicking and screaming into that operations room, the diappearance of that testimony from the MSM (if it was ever there), the gushing Zero's Our Hero ratings raisers proving that at any given time at least 5% of the residents of this country are certifiable idiots, the re-energized whining about waterboarding as "torture", the obsessing over whether OBL made any threatening moves other than throwing his old lady at the nearest SEAL, the media blackouts of Zero's insult to Debra Burlingame and other 9/11 family members, the tippy-toeing around the FACT that Pakistan has been irrevocably outed as an ENEMY of this country and its financial aid should be cut off immediately, the MSM trying to ignore/minimalize the impending ME muslim massacre of Christians and the escalating insanity in Iran, "moderate muslims" in the West whining that they hope the "Islamophobia" will stop now, REAL muslims marching and screaming and threatening retaliatory mayhem from every corner of the globe and everything else going on in this three-ring circus.
I am sick to death of the sight of OBL, BHO, every effing talking head on the MSM, every lying politician talking to the talking heads, every Pakistani flak-catcher lying to the talking heads, that damn so-called al Qaeda "mansion" (I've seen better shacks in downtown Port au Prince), OBL's cheesy little tv set, pancake makeup, turbans, headscarfs, raghead zombies in pajamas bouncing up and down on the balls of their feet, and Fareed Zakaria. Not necessarily in that order.
Attention: MSM worldwide are just discovering "Salafis" as their new pet brand of Mohammedans. Why? Because they (the Salafis) are conveniently used to prove "Hey, Muslims are peaceful, its just some firebrands misunderstanding their glorious peaceful religion". Take note how the MSM lately paint Hamas as "peaceful" and attribute all trouble with Gaza to Salafis.
Salafis are also used to distract from the Moslem Brotherhood, Hamas, Wahhabis, Hizb ut Tahrir, Hisb'Allah, Shia, Sunni ... (name any Mohammedan organisation).
Just as it dawns on many people that Islam is inherently violent, a new red herring is drawn.
dumbledoresarmy,
anther cry from a Coptic "we need help" "we need a safe place now"
Tomorrow all of us the christian would die. we know for sure that we are going to be killed one day or anther, maybe it is sooner than we thought.
The beginning is now already.with no one in this world seems interested.Every country is a CLOSE to us.
So dumbledoresarmy,what you said was right and we have some options I am going to tell you:
First, flee ....but no country seems like us , I do not know why
Second, be a Muslim....NEVER.
Third, Die......we are waiting for it , in the name of our Lord Jesus.
but anyway,we will not hate you , we will pray for us and for you always
thanx.
"Father Yohanna Mansour ....refused the "reconciliation" meeting and insisted on the application of the law."
It is not too often seen that the chance of "reconciliation" - that is, giving in to Muslim demands and admitting who is the boss - is refused by Christians in this manner.
The MSM are far to busy promoting the 'Arab spring' to take much notice of egypt at the moment, that rebellion has had it's fifteen minites of fame.
The msm have reported that 12 people were killed, and that the army were going to crack down on the trouble. They never said the 12 were Copts.
There was no mention that there was no muslim women held against her will in the church. It was as if both sides were equally to blame, but the copt's started it.
None of the Islamic state's want Christians living amongst them, unless they,re totally subdued. And i don't think anyone is coming to the aide of the copt's anytime soon.
"There were contradictory reports of Copts using guns to defend themselves."
They need to be using guns as negotiations with Muslims never work and Muslims certainly use guns when they attack..
Guns for Christians...it is becoming apparent that they will need them...yep.
These beseiged Christians need international help and support. Where are the cries against Christianiphobia?
Why are we told to tread on eggshells around moslems and are warned not to upset THEIR feelings. It is not just feelings these thugs in Egypt are hurting. I am just sick and tired of those in authority crawling to the likes of these thugs. We are acting like dhimmis already.
Gamal
I have told my government, before now, that I want us to take in more of the persecuted non-Muslims who want to flee Muslim-dominated lands - Copts like you, and Assyrian Christians, for starters.
There are at least 80 000 Copts in Australia by now: they have established churches and monasteries and schools and there is a School of Coptic Studies at Macquarie University in Sydney. And I am sure we could take in a lot more of you, and that - being Christian, and smart, and hardworking, and peaceful, and inclined to encourage your kids to study - you would fit into our society much, much better than the 300 000 Muslims who are causing mayhem in Sydney and Melbourne and wherever they have established colonies. Indeed, I'm sure you'd be an asset - and our hot, dry climate (the floods we've had this year are not the norm) would help you feel right at home. I'd be happy for us to take in a million Copts rather than see you massacred by Muslims. And the rest of the western world could take in the rest of you, if they only put their minds to it. The western European countries are worried about their falling demographic vis a vis the Muslims? - well, all they have to do is open their doors and take in seven or eight million Copts (only too happy to have families in a somewhat safer environment) and the balance would tip a bit in their (the non-Muslim Europeans') favour.
Are you aware that the Copts in Australia *are* speaking out, and lobbying our politicians. There have been public rallies and protests on behalf of the Copts in Egypt. Those have been attended by Australian Christians from other churches, and by Australians who are simply worried about the Jihad and wanted to show solidarity.
Pray that our governments may open the doors for you...and we'll pray the same thing - and lobby for it - at our end.