Egyptian Christians: "We did not risk our lives to bring Mubarak down in order to have him replaced by Salafists"

Interesting that Reuters says:

"Christians complain that under laws inherited from Ottoman rule, Copts are required to obtain special permits from the head of state to build or repair a church."

Rather than "under laws based on Sharia" which is more true because Ottoman rule had nothing to do with it, these rules have been around since the 7th century.

Egyptian Christians: "We did not risk our lives to bring Mubarak down in order to have him replaced by Salafists"

Oh yeah you did.

Apparently your idea was that, when the Moslem clerics took over, they'd consult the writings of Madison and Jefferson, or maybe Diderot's piece on natural religion, and then turn around and embrace tolerance religious tolerance.

Apparently the Copts don't know their enemy. They should take a bus down to the Cairo Barnes & Noble and buy a copy of the Ko-Ran to inform themselves.

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Speaking of the French Englightenment, wouldn't the consensus among that crew have been that Islam is an unnatural religion? Nah, they didn't bother themselves with making such distinctions.

But we do.

In the majority-Muslim world, legitimacy is ultimately based in Muhammad and the Qur'an and the Islamic law derived from them. Islamic legitimacy thus trumps all other forms of legitimacy. Secular forms of political legitimacy -- whether based on humanism and science, or on the Judeo-Christian tradition, or on religions that are not totalitarian -- simply do not have the power to organize themselves in the context of a Muslim majority. Islamic legitimacy makes holy the use of extreme violence against other forms of social organization. Those who criticize Muhammad can be righteously killed. Even where Muslims are a minority, we see frequent self-censorship among non-Muslims, who often do not dare to criticize Islam or Muhammad publicly, for fear of the intimidation, death threats, and violence that can follow.

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

...Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

In non-Muslim nations, the climate of self-censorship among non-Muslims talking about Muhammad and Islam is a symptom that the legitimate governments in those non-Muslim nations are not entirely ruling anymore. Shadow governments of orthodox Muslims are imposing on the nation Islamic laws about speech and conscience.

1) The silence about the persecution of the Copts by the Obama administration is shameful. He should be publicly damning them about this.

2) Would arming the Copts be a good or a bad idea? If they shot back they could protect themselves, but would the Egyptian Army then just massacre them?

Americans have several sayings for this sort of situation.
1. Buyer's remorse.
2. Closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out.
3. Buy in haste, repent at leisure.
4. Better to deal with a devil that you know than a devil that you don't.

I could go on, but why bother? At this point it seems to me that the Egyptian Christians would be better off risking their lives to escape to more friendly countries and joining the fight against the Grand Jihad. Flee Egypt, just like the tribes of Israel did. Become fluent in the language of their new countries, support the nations that have given them refuge and relentlessly speak the truth about the threat posed by islam, islamists and muslims in general.

If you believe you are about to be killed, then die fighting! You have nothing to lose, and the whole world to gain!

Well, the Christians of Egypt surely couldn't have hoped that Mubarak would live forever. Further, the same Mubarak's security forces used anti-Christian sentiment to deflect criticism of the regime on a traditional scapegoat.

(channeling ACE)

"Egyptian Christians: "We did not risk our lives to bring Mubarak down in order to have him replaced by Salafists""

you whine

YES MORONS, YOU DID!

Maybe we should be figuring out ways to get boat loads of military arms into Coptic hands along with some serious military training. A Christian Egypt is a rather pleasant thought, really.

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