Just in case any of you still thought Pakistan was on our side. "Musharraf: Bin Laden mission violated Pakistan," by Ashish Kumar Sen for The Washington Times, May 2:
Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Monday accused the U.S. of violating his country’s sovereignty by sending in special forces to kill Osama bin Laden.“American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty,” Mr. Musharraf told CNN-IBN, an Indian news channel.
He added that it would have been “far better if Pakistani Special Services Group had operated and conducted the mission. To that extent, the modality of handling it and executing the operation is not correct.”...
Maybe the Americans didn't want bin Laden tipped off as to what was coming.
Mr. Musharraf said the “lack of trust is very bad.”“If two organizations [are] conducting an operation against a common enemy, there has to be trust and confidence in each other,” he said.
But of course, in such a case, both organizations have to be worthy of trust. With Pakistan's spy service in league with al-Qaeda, how can it -- or the Pakistani government in general -- be trusted?
Pakistan is “totally on board” on fighting al Qaeda and Taliban.
No kidding, really?
Mr. Musharraf said it was possible that some local Pakistanis had colluded with bin Laden.
No kidding, really?
“A battle has been won, but the war continues,” Mr. Musharraf said, warning that “al Qaeda is still there.”
No kidding, really?
he is so full of shit. in my last post I told eveyone he is enjoying America while secret service watches over him while he is smoking cigars and having drinks in the cigar club I belong to. he is an asshole.
m,
Yes, it did violate Pakistan's sovereignty, which is an act of war.
So what?
Al-Qaeda committed an act of war on 9/11, on U.S. soil. The resulting war is a legitimate war by the U.S. By hiding OBL Pakistan was colluding with al-Qaeda. That makes the compound in Pakistan a legitimate target in that war.
PDQ. End of story.
If Pakistan wants to make an issue of it surely more targets can be found on its soil.
“Hello, is this Paki President Asif Ali Zardari?
It is? OK, listen up.
This is U.S. Seal Team 6, we are in your backyard, and we’re gonna kick in some doors.
So stay outta our way, you miserable sack of shit, or you’re gonna get hurt.”
PS “We’ll be back . . ...”
WikiLeaks: Osama bin Laden was 'protected' by Pakistani security
Exclusive: Security forces allegedly helped bin Laden evade US troops for almost 10 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488236/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-protected-by-Pakistani-security.html
I guess Musharraf doesn't want the billions in US aid either.
Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Monday accused the U.S. of violating his country’s sovereignty by sending in special forces to kill Osama bin Laden.
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Uh—yeah. Hey, does anyone else find it odd that Osama bin Laden was 'hiding out' not in the remote and "extremist" North-West Frontier, but in Abbottabad, which is a posh suburb of *the Pakistani capital of Islamabad*?
This would be like a highly visible wanted man in America setting up house in the Virginia suburbs just outside of Washington, DC.
In other words, it would be highly foolish *unless you were receiving protection from the authorities*. In Pakistan's case, that would have been—well—Musharraf's administration.
Of course, his successor must have known, as well.
“far better if Pakistani Special Services Group had operated and conducted the mission.
All branches of pakistani troops had nearly 10 years to catch and kill osama. They didn't.
Why would they do it now?
pak army is totally incompetent.
Time to cut off all US "aid" money to Pakistab-us-in-the-back.
Time to cut off all US "aid" money to Pakistab-us-in-the-back.
Pervert Musharaf? Says it all, really.
Vraiment.
I think the amount of aid will increase now. Pakistan can still milk the US for al-Qaeda #2 Zawahiri.
'Mr. Musharraf said the “lack of trust is very bad.”'
Well, you'll want to get right down to editing your book then, the one that teaches it's okay to lie to further the spread of Islam.
"Osama bin Laden found at the heart of Pakistan's military establishment"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488241/Osama-bin-Laden-found-at-the-heart-of-Pakistans-military-establishment.html
Mr. Musharraf said the “lack of trust is very bad.”
On the other hand, willfully ignorant and gullible trust is very bad, too. To wit: America's regard of Pakistan as an ally. If you want a migraine, just think of all the cash and weapons we gave that hell-hole of a country.
"Why Pakistan Produces Jihadists:
"Carved out of the Muslim-majority areas of British India in 1947, it was the world's first modern nation based solely on Islam."
(by S. Dhume, published exactly one year ago)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703866704575223832888768098.html
Ok Mushie, you said it yourself. Now take your pick: Either the paki army/security apparatus are completely incompetent or they are unwilling to cooperate. There is no middle ground and you know it. So it is high time the US secure the nukes of this sorry excuse of a country and hand over the land to India for stewardship.
Looks like there was a woman 'human shield' with him.
One of his many 'wives' or a jihad-hag groupie?
One down... much much more to go...
Good work Seals! Job well done.
RE::“If two organizations [are] conducting an operation against a common enemy, there has to be trust and confidence in each other,” he said."
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Hey, Musharraf, you are a fugitive from justice in your own, beloved, Pakistan, for the Pakis have issued a warrant for your arrest, and you have taken refuge in Londonistan, where clueless Kafirs like Cameron let you hide with impunity; so, don't give us a speech on Law and Order.
But, coming back to the issue of Trust that you evoked so sanctimoniously (thinking that we are fools like Indians who gave you a red carpet welcome in New Delhi right after you waged Jihad against them in Kargil), let me remind you that the last time the U.S. trusted Pakis was when Clinton launched a cruise missile attack on the hideout of your revered "Sheikh" Osama, and you promptly tipped him off, and the Muslim bastard escaped to safety.
Two thumbs up for Seal Team Six! So happy our boys finally took out the trash.
Musharraf isn't president of Pakistan anymore, so who cares what he says?
Two thumbs up for Seal Team Six! So happy our boys finally took out the trash.
Musharraf isn't president of Pakistan anymore, so who cares what he says?
Wow!!! This gives ISI a great opportunity to show their trustworthyness and give up Mullah Omar and Zawahiri.
And maybe where the Taliban hang out.
Wow!!! This gives ISI a great opportunity to show their trustworthyness and give up Mullah Omar and Zawahiri.
And maybe where the Taliban hang out.
"Pakistab-us-in-the-back". Perfect.
I believe "Screw You" is the appropriate response to Mr. Moosheriff. (I don't cae enough to spell it correctly.)
Who gives a sh*t to what Mush thinks and what is Pakistani sovereignty" anyway where the foreign Muslim terrorists roam freely. Bug off Mush, nobody cares for you. We knew that Osama was living in the basement of your presidential palace when you were there!!! You protected him and lied through your teeth to US who filled your begging bowl with billions of dollars since 9/11. where are you hiding part of those billions -- care to tell us??
Former Pakistan Prez says
"OBL killing violated Pakistani sovereignty"
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Ask me if I care.
All Pakistanis are local.
the current President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, is a Shia, not a sunni as some of you like to pretend.
Mr. Musharraf said the “lack of trust is very bad".
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It turns out the head of Al-Qaida was living in a highly visible compound about a mile down the road from Pakistan's "most prestigious military academy"—which would be like a wanted terrorist setting up housekeeping a mile from West Point in the US or Sandhurst in Britain.
This means that Pakistani security is either the most incompetent on earth, or that the authorities were in collusion—*or both*.
Neither of these scenarios engenders trust—but you won't hear that from Pervez Musharraf.
Which brings us to the conclusion-
President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari is a Shia. he has control over nuclear weapons, uraniam, and schematics for nuclear reactions.
Iran is shia.
Yet President Ali is doing absolutely nothing in helping Iran get nukes, he isn't giving them the instructions on how to create a reaction or giving them a nuke. President Ali is concerned about Pakistan, not fellow shia
This disporves your silly theory that islam is divided along secartian lines
"Horse" wrote:
the current President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, is a Shia, not a sunni as some of you like to pretend.
...President Ali is concerned about Pakistan, not fellow shia
This disporves your silly theory that islam is divided along secartian lines
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Whatever is "Horse" on about now? I have never claimed Zardari is Sunni, and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone else here mention one way or another what stupid sect he belongs to.
Musharraf is probably Sunni, although his enemies have frequently "accused" him of being a Shi'ite and a member of the Deobandi sect.
The idea that Islam is divided along sectarian lines is not some "silly theory" dreamed up by Jihad Watch—it is confirmed on an almost daily basis by Sunnis and Shi'ites attacking pilgrims and blowing up each other's mosques. And this is not just recent events—this has been going on since the bloody Sunni/Shi'ite split 1350 years ago.
But it is also clear—and has been chronicled here many times—that Sunnis and Shi'ites—despite their hoicidal differences—are frequently all too happy to unite against the "filthy Kuffar".
The most obvious example is Hizb'allah, funded by Shi'ite Iran, and operating out of Sunni-majority Syria and Lebanon. Why the alliance? Because the Sunnis and Shi'ites hate the Jews of Israel even more than they hate each other.
The situation with protecting Osama bin Laden was no doubt similar. Though Al-Qaida is majority Sunni, most Shi'ites would have no trouble protecting him against the "Great Satan".
Awwwww I'm sorry we violated your countries borders to track down and kill the terrorist matermind you were protecting from us for ten years, Mr. Musahrraf.
Perhaps this will convey the depth of remorse I feel for your oh so justified outrage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5bESZaTQ0
Musharaf is probably pissed that they could not tip Osama and save him.
deobandi is not a shia sect. Only sunnis are deobandis
President Zardari of Pakistan is not concerned about religious matters, he is not giving his fellow shias in Iran the plans to build nuclear bombs or missle building instructions, since he knows very well that Iran is friendly with India and he is not an Iranian citizen. This is not about religion.
*snore*
*snore*
First of all, that would be too much trouble to go across the street to bother the sheik. Pakistan is the biggist money suckng country that does absolutly nothing to help us in the war on terrorism. Complete f$&%%*ing joke. They laugh at our stupid "trust" in them. They made fools of us for too long. The only reason that we want peace with Crapistan is because they have the bomb.
Just sayin.
Since the current regime is no friend of Musharraf, the US should simply ask them to investigate his role in covering up Osama while he was in power. This will shut him up real good about his chats about sovereignity!
"President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari is a Shia. he has control over nuclear weapons, uraniam, and schematics for nuclear reactions" - Horse
The Pakistani army controls all access to nuclear weapons - not Zardari.
So, stop being a Muslim about facts - if you do not know, buy a clue from your local 711.
I have noted before that we are not chums visiting Afghanistan but a conquering Army. Now let's defoliate the terrorist Opium crop and go home. Tell them in the Roman style if the mess the the soldiers remaining behind we will be back...in spades. This would pretty much kill any drug cartel in Mexico leaving only Coke.
If we would use small nuc's to remove the oil of the middle east by sealing ALL the wells we would remove the ability of the Islamic republic to grow. It would fail. If we do away with the storage tanks currently holding the oil and sink shipping from the middle east they would soon be out of money and way to fund a war or if you please a crusade. If when the ground radiation levels off and they try to re-drill then do it again. At this point they are not unified and strong enough to stop the US from doing this.
This would put Europe and the US in the top dog position and the USD would again be strong. There is no league of nations which could stop a move like this. If we put it off it will be to late and our Christian empire will cease to exist.
There would be a reaction from the 10 mill of the Muslims in the US but we could quell this in time with minimal effort. We know where the head of the snake lays in this country.
Folks we are not going to divert history from repeating another crusade, but we can win this if we take action. Preemptive action.
as a nation we are losing our power day by day. Strike first and hard and repeatedly until this war is over. Quit playing like we have done in Afgan and Iraq.
Israel was born the same time as the United Nations. Its function has been to keep Israel from being a nation and when that failed its function is to keep apartheid in Israel. We should remove our money and presence from this body which is not aimed at world peace nor is our membership in this organization in the best interests of the United States.
We are in a position to make the world go our way. When in a position to command, COMMAND!
WE need a Million Man march on Washing ton DC. Make our voices heard. Change the course of history. Join a Christian Crusade.
"President Zardari of Pakistan is not concerned about religious matters, he is not giving his fellow shias in Iran the plans to build nuclear bombs or missle building instructions, since he knows very well that Iran is friendly with India and he is not an Iranian citizen. This is not about religion."
Pure speculation...
Murdering 3,000 innocent civilians on American soil was a violation of sovereignty.
Musharraf, if you hadn't put so much American money into your personal Swiss bank account, you could have afforded decent radar to protect your FORMER country. Not that that alone would have protected any person in that 4th world country from being REAL dead when America wants him, or her, dead. I mean, no-one dies unless allah wants him dead, nicht wahr?
Yes, and a REAL bad mistake. And the poor, ignorant mohammadans still haven't a clue HOW bad.
Musharraf, if you hadn't put so much American money into your personal Swiss bank account, you could have afforded decent radar to protect your FORMER country. Not that that alone would have protected any person in that 4th world country from being REAL dead when America wants him, or her, dead. I mean, no-one dies unless allah wants him dead, nicht wahr?
Musharraf, if you hadn't put so much American money into your personal Swiss bank account, you could have afforded decent radar to protect your FORMER country. Not that that alone would have protected any person in that 4th world country from being REAL dead when America wants him, or her, dead. I mean, no-one dies unless allah wants him dead, nicht wahr?
Musharraf, if you hadn't put so much American money into your personal Swiss bank account, you could have afforded decent radar to protect your FORMER country. Not that that alone would have protected any person in that 4th world country from being REAL dead when America wants him, or her, dead. I mean, no-one dies unless allah wants him dead, nicht wahr?
"Horse" wrote:
President Zardari of Pakistan is not concerned about religious matters, he is not giving his fellow shias in Iran the plans to build nuclear bombs or missle building instructions, since he knows very well that Iran is friendly with India and he is not an Iranian citizen. This is not about religion.
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Who ever claimed that Zardari was *an Iranian citizen*? There are many Shi'ites around the world who live outside of Shia-majority Iran. Some are politically sympathetic to Iran, and some are not.
But the idea that protecting Osama bin Laden—a vicious mass-murderer who expressly acted in the name of Jihad and Islam—"is not about religion" won't play here.
Sunnis and Shi'ites are frequently at each others' throats, but all too many of both sects are fully supportive of Osama bin Laden and other homicidal Jihadists.
Murdering Infidels is, in fact, where many of them find common ground.