Islamic Jihad leader: “Al-Qaeda is not a person, it is an institution”

A useful reminder amid the euphoria and declarations that the jihad is over. “Bin Laden death will not affect al-Qaeda: Egypt Jihad leader,” from AFP, May 3:

A founding member of Egypt’s Islamic Jihad and friend of Al-Qaeda’s new chief Ayman Al-Zawahiri told AFP Tuesday that Osama bin Laden’s death will not affect the organisation and pleaded against revenge attacks.

Aboud al-Zumur, who was in jail with Zawahiri after the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat in 1981, said bin Laden was a “martyr” whose death at the hands of US special forces in Pakistan “will solve nothing.”

“Al-Qaeda is not a person, it is an institution,” said Zumur, who was freed from prison after a popular revolt ousted president Hosni Mubarak in February.

“Solving the problem entails withdrawing from occupied territories and a balance in US policy towards Palestine.”

Zumur said the mass protests that toppled the regimes in both Tunisia and Egypt had sapped support for militant groups because they showed there was another way to confront tyrants.

“They have created a new mechanism to hold regimes accountable,” he said. “This has lessened the support and importance of armed struggle.”

Speaking in Cairo, Zumur pleaded with bin Laden’s sympathisers not to take revenge for the jihadist leader’s assassination.

“I say to them, be patient. Don’t seek revenge. If you attack tourists or embassies, you will be attacking innocents.”

The US State Department issued a warning to its citizens abroad after bin Laden’s death.

Zumur said that Zawahiri, the 59-year-old surgeon and former Islamic Jihad member who has long been considered the real mastermind in Al-Qaeda’s war against the United States and Arab regimes, was a “good-hearted” man.

“He is a dear friend of mine. We were imprisoned together for three years. He is a good man — good-hearted — who has been placed in difficult circumstances,” he said….

Good-hearted!

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  1. says

    ”they have created a new mechanism to hold regimes accountable”. . .
    They created? Don’t think so somehow. The demographic jihad is morphing into the democratic jihad. Same meat. Same gravy apart from a pinch of herbs.

  2. says

    Drudge reports increased security for Rasool Obama’s grandmother and family in Kenya due to terrorist threats…I guess the ‘institution’, is working just fine in Kenya…

  3. says

    “Solving the problem entails withdrawing from occupied territories and a balance in US policy towards Palestine.”
    ………………………..

    What crap. On 9/11 we were “occupying” exactly zero Muslim countries. We had a small presence in Saudi Arabia because that country had asked us for help against Saddam Hussein after he had invaded Kuwait. (Whether we should have aided the House of Saud is another issue).

    As for “Palestine”, we had already been earnestly brokering the “peace process” for a couple of decades at that point. (Again, one can argue whether that was wise, but that is another issue as well).

    What Aboud al-Zumur really means is that the United States was”and is”a prosperous Kaffir nation that isn’t so pro-Muslim that it is ready to intentionally destroy Israel. That’s enough in itself to mark her as the “Great Satan”.

  4. says

    Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist organizations like it will always function for me as the true face of Islam (didn’t Mohammed himself say that he had been made victorious through terror?). So-called moderate Muslims, whom Robert Spencer has described quite accurately as “lazy Muslims,” are a distraction from the truth. And the truth is that Islam is an unremitting spiritual totalitarian ideology that seeks domination in this world and which will destroy liberty and establish a Jim Crow system based on belief whenever the opportunity to do so exists. Islam is an enemy of freedom. It creates slaves of Allah who in turn enslave others. Islam is just awful and al-Qaeda is a constant reminder of this for all who know what Islam is really about. Between Islam and liberty there can never be a reconciliation. Never.

  5. says

    OT:

    This from Fouad Ajami in today’s WSJ opinion page:

    The Arab Spring has simply overwhelmed the world of the Jihadists… It is a risky thing to say, but the Arabs appear to have wearied of violence… Now all of that was in the past.

    So the whole mess really was all about Osama and al Qaeda. I didn’t realize that.

    *** 33:21 ***

    It was mentioned in another thread today that now Spencer can retire to a life of luxury supported by the millions he made unfarily made bad-mouthing Islam and Moslems. Fouad would seem to agree.

    But, then again, Fouad is a Shiite from Princeton. That said, Spencer might wanna check first before pulling the plug on this blog.

  6. says

    And this Aboud al Zumar guy, this leader of “Islamic Jihad” looks entirely like a white, european, caucasian-

    http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/thumbnails.php?image=aboud-20110318-221359.gif&w=300&h=300&ext=jpg

    http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/events/100/75/74923702-egypt-zomor.jpg

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/03/18/idINIndia-55701920110318

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/cars/free+Egypt+Jihad+leader+says+time+over/4467889/story.html

    http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/4467890.bin?size=620×400

    http://www.crethiplethi.com/assassin-of-anwar-sadat-explains-the-law-of-unintended-consequences-in-the-middle-east/islamic-countries/egypt-islamic-countries/2011/

    http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/77/77/75587762-egypt-frees.jpg
    ________________________________________________________________

    Aboud Al Zumar is 100% white, yet I detect racist sentiment among you JWatchers against dark, brown skinned people as the people most likely to be terrorists.

    Al zumar disproves your assertions that only dark skinned peoples are terrorists and should be scrutinized by your airport security- Al Zumar is a white caucasian.

  7. says

    Water boarding Osama would have revealed enough secrets to keep a battalion of interrogators busy 24/7 for years. He was a man who had a million secrets stuffed into his brain. It is best he was killed, the world is a better place now that his secrets died with him.

  8. says

    Killing Bin Laden changes nothing.. while I do appreciate when they drop their taqiyah shield and tell the plain truth sometimes. Too bad the only ones listening are the ones who already can tell their lies from truth. The PCMC crowd instantly plugs their ears to keep out the truth when the shield drops. A pity.

  9. says

    Ugh, that verse.. even if you ignore the beating, it talks of treating a woman like a submissive, like a child or disobedient dog. Even without the beating it’s repugnant.

  10. says

    From the article. Zumur said,
    “Al-Qaeda is not a person, it is an institution,”
    Yes Sir, and the long journey to extinction begins with the first step. And that is my resolve.

  11. says

    Oh, it’s an “institution” all right.

    Like Bedlam was an institution.

    Islam is a cuckoo’s nest.

    A madness striving for the non-existent~ a “merciful and compassionate” Deity who approves of Terrorism.

  12. says

    Oh, it’s an “institution” all right.

    Like Bedlam was an institution.

    Islam is a cuckoo’s nest.

    A madness striving for the non-existent~ a “merciful and compassionate” Deity who approves of homicidal Terrorism.

  13. says

    Oh, it’s an “institution” all right.

    Like Bedlam was an institution.

    Islam is a cuckoo’s nest.

    A madness striving for the non-existent~ a “merciful and compassionate” Deity who approves of homicidal Terrorism.

  14. says

    Oh, it’s an “institution” all right.

    Like Bedlam was an institution.

    Islam is a cuckoo’s nest.

    A madness striving for the non-existent~ a “merciful and compassionate” Deity who approves of homicidal Terrorism.

  15. says

    Ladies and gentlemen

    I suggest we ignore ‘Horse’ completely until and unless he directly answers the question that duh -swami posed to him some time ago.

    Duh-swami: ask it again.

    Ask it in exactly the same words, in every thread in which he appears.

  16. says

    Offtopic.

    How many people out there are getting error messages every time they post something? Is there anyone who *isn’t*?

    Memo to lurkers, new posters, and regulars: originally if you hit ‘submit’ after writing your comment in the little box, there would be a pause, and then the page would refresh itself within a few seconds, and there would be your comment at the bottom of the thread.

    That does not now happen.

    First a lot of us started getting timeout error messages.

    Then a different error message started coming up.

    (The postings still appear to be going through, but it takes a perceptible amount of time).

    So you always have to open two or three windows to keep track of what is happening.

    It is a **nuisance**.

    I am wondering whether it is a result of the addition of the google ads; whether that is causing the system to jam in some way

    I suspect it is putting people off commenting – only the diehard dementor/ troll and the diehard regulars are still posting and the total number of comments, in general, seems to have dropped right off.

  17. says

    DDA, I’m having the same problems – getting an error message after posting. What I do is go back and hit refresh, and after a few minutes, my post shows up. I usually manage to avoid multiple posts that way. What makes my situation worse is a very flaky internet connection. This was the error:

    Internal Server Error
    The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

    Please contact the server administrator, br0nc0s@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

    More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

  18. says

    To hell with political correctness….these moslems who push for sharia law in the USA need to be rounded up and detained…just like we did with the japs during ww2. They are clearly a menace to our society, to our well being, prosperity and our liberties and freedoms.

    There I said it.

  19. says

    “A founding member of Egypt’s Islamic Jihad and friend of Al-Qaeda’s new chief Ayman Al-Zawahiri told AFP Tuesday that Osama bin Laden’s death will not affect the organisation and pleaded against revenge attacks.”

    Read that as Muslim Brotherhood’s operational credo: Press for Sharia, but don’t let the death of one top dog jihadist slow you down with “revenge attacks”… Keep working for the “organization” of the “slaves of Allah”.

    As I wrote earlier on American Thinker post:

    But what the soft-voiced insouciance disguised was the rising fury and disgust sweeping out of the Arabian deserts and the gutters of the Arab street — the passionate demand for a reckoning with Western cultural imperialism and financial domination.  Bin Laden became a lightning rod for pent-up Muslim hatred of the West and a repository for the implacable belief that Islam will one day rule the world.

    This game is still on, as it had been on for 1400 years, and will continue to haunt all modern civilization until the curse of a 7th century Beduin’s delusional megalomanic vision is finally buried into the dust of history. Muslims will continue to agitate, demand, deceive, riot, burn, rape, murder, plead, threaten, censor, loudly pray, profusely procreate, attack and attack – all for their nefarious Jihad to instill fear into the human heart – all this to press the deleterious Sharia into our world. They hate our freedoms, don’t understand them, and they want us to be dragged down to their primitive level of society where nothing is produced, nothing is trustworthy, and only the mean survive by guile and oppression. Bin Laden, like a modern day Mahdi, was all of this. Islam is a world of unadorned pure tyranny, and they hate us for being better. He is dead. Game is still on.

    This will never stop, not until we put down these “slaves of Allah” totally.

  20. says

    Well said, Battle_of_Tours. I agree entirely with your assessment of mankind’s worst religion of all time. Indeed, the game continues.

  21. says

    Battle of Tours

    I have something that may appear OT for this thread, but is in fact germane to what you just wrote about the aim of the sharia-pushers. You wrote, “They hate our freedoms, don’t understand them, and they want us to be dragged down to their primitive level of society where nothing is produced, nothing is trustworthy, and only the mean survive by guile and oppression”.

    Yes.

    The ‘Save the Children’ people just released their latest ‘Mothers Index’.

    The top 10 best countries in the world to be a woman and a mother, are all…no surprise…majority non-Muslim.

    The *bottom* 10 countries…well, nine of them are majority-Muslim; the only non-Muslim one among them is the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/04/3207010.htm?section=justin

    And …the very worst place in the world to be a woman and a mother is, no surprise at all, Afghanistan. A woman’s life expectancy there is…45. (And if I recall correctly from another sourcebook I read some years ago, in Afghanistan – bucking pretty much the world norm – female life expectancy is perceptibly *lower* than that of the males. There are plenty of dirt-poor and/ or war-torn countries where overall life expectancy is low, but in most of those, women do still manage to live a little bit longer than men…but NOT in Afghanistan).

    Here’s the list of the bottom ten countries, with Afghanistan bottom-most of all (and I betcha that if the stats for Afghanistan had been gathered in 1800, or 1900, that is, prior to any significant non-Muslim presence in the place, they’d be pretty much the same).

    “Niger, Guinea-Bissau, Yemen, Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Eritrea, Mali, Sudan and the Central African Republic joined Afghanistan at the tail end of the list.”

  22. says

    miriam rove wrote:

    good hearted , terrorism and murders do not go hand in hand.
    ………………..

    They do in Islam, miriam. Of course, they don’t use “good hearted” in quite the same way we do…

  23. says

    miriam rove wrote:

    good hearted , terrorism and murders do not go hand in hand.
    ………………..

    They do in Islam, miriam. Of course, they don’t use “good hearted” in quite the same way we do…

  24. says

    What for? I mean, it’s not like his whole family is Christian or anything. Muslims wouldn’t kill Muslim innocents, right? Besides, bin Laden wasn’t a “Muslim leader”…You’d think they’d be raising Granny and Granny and Granny and Granny on their shoulders, celebrating the man who was told to give the nod to offing that terrible misinterpreter of Islam!

    Head scratcher: How can it be called an “assassination” if he wasn’t a Muslim leader?

  25. says

    You are as wrong in your charge of racism as you were the other day averring that unless one knows Arabic the true meaning of many specific verses in the Koran will escape you. You come up with excuses, and pretty damn poor ones at that, and pass them off as valid arguments. No one with any sense is buying your BS.

  26. says

    You are as wrong in your charge of racism as you were the other day when averring that those who do not know Arabic cannot properly understand many verses in the Koran (e.g., 4:34). You put forward lame excuses and pass them off as valid arguments and no one of sense is buying this BS of yours.

  27. says

    “I detect racist sentiment among you JWatchers against dark, brown skinned people as the people most likely to be terrorists.”

    It’s nothing to do with racism, it’s because they are.

    I’ll list a few. Nairobi, Dar es Salaam, 9/11, London Bombing, Madrid, Beslan, Bali.

    Adding to that, far more Muslims have been killed as a result of terrorism than at the hands of the infidel.

    Check out thereligionofpeace site for coroboration.

    Again facts are facts.

  28. says

    Where did anyone comment on his skin color or anything remotely associated to racism, tool? Who cares what color these people are? I’m more concerned with the hateful ideology they pursue daily. More like Horse Shiit to me.

  29. says

    Supporting your assessment, swami, Horse, in microcosm, is demonstrative of what is wrong with Islam in general, to wit, its deluded believers assert a great deal with phantom proof, castigate or actually threaten with regularity all those who dare criticize anything about Islam, obfuscate ad nauseam to mislead kuffaars and never acknowledge that the Islamic world has ever been wrong about anything. Disgusting to be sure but oh so very Muslim.

  30. says

    Horse did the same thing with me. I very specifically, more than once, asked him about 4:34 in the Koran and his only response was that since I did not know Arabic I couldn’t accurately comprehend what that verse really meant.

    It should be clear to anyone who respects the truth that Horse is not interested in the truth but only propaganda on Islam’s behalf. It’s so very Muslim of him and should not be surprising in the least since all Islam is is propaganda—–sort of Joseph Goebbels et al. on steroids and over the course of centuries no less. This is Islam’s true legacy. What a monster of a religion it is. And a greater enemy of liberty has never been known.

  31. says

    logdon says-

    “”I detect racist sentiment among you JWatchers against dark, brown skinned people as the people most likely to be terrorists.”

    It’s nothing to do with racism, it’s because they are.”
    ______________________________________________________________

    ie. logdon just said brown skinned people are more likely to be terroists “because they are”, when I showed photos of this white man who is leader of Islamic Jihad, Aboud al zumur

    logdon I recommend you adjust the pixels on your screen to take a better look at your fellow white caucasian Al Zumur.

    Thank you for proving my point- everyone else here- Serious Shiite, Wellington- you better have a chat with this guy….

  32. says

    A group of christians, with bibles in their own languages, can go on for hundreds of years without even bothering to concern themselves with what language it was originally in.

    But no, not muslims. There must always be an Arabic Quran in existence, just like the jews always keep their torah in hebrew, and don’t use english copies of the torah or whatever language they are living in.

    if muslims don’t have access to an arabic language quran, and are using translations as their exclusive source, and their imams don’t know arabic, then they are fake like the Nation of Islam organization in America, who are not muslim. NOI is a black supremacist organization, which pretends to be muslim, but its leaders don’t know a word of arabic, they use english versions of the quran only

    and why don’t you complain to the Jews on how the torah they use in their synagogue is in hebrew, not english, and why they study the talmud in aramaic and hebrew and not use english translations as the yeshiva….. also ask them why they are the “chosen people”,

  33. says

    Also OT, but this is a response to DDA’s allegations about muslim women-

    DDA, whats the best country to be a child in?

    Don’t be deluded. I know my people, most Chinese (NOT counting China itself, in Taiwan, Singapore, malaysia, are non religious, ie. they don’t care very much about human life.

    What I mean by that is that the abortion rate in Taiwan is apalling, and given the Chinese families I’ve seen from malaysia and singapore, it looks like alot of babies went into the dumpster in those countries as well, or they must be using alot of contraception.

    in addition, like India and mainland China, Taiwan and south Korea have skewed sex ratios, since boys are preferred over girls, so girls are the first to be aborted to death.

    The percantage of christians in Taiwan is lower than that of mainland China, even though christian missionaries are allowed the freely proselytize.

    most taiwanese are barely even having a kid, some have non at all. They are mostly non religious, going to the buddhist temple or daoist temple just for show.

    This is what happened when the great “westernizing”, and “Development”, is brought to your country.

    ______________________________________________________________
    Since I am one of them, I know the female baby abortion rate among Taiwanese is high from first hand experience, but as usual, you will claim I’m practicing taquiyya so here are english langauge sources.

    http://www.economist.com/world/international/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=15636231

    “Parts of India have sex ratios as skewed as anything in its northern neighbour. Other East Asian countries”South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan”have peculiarly high numbers of male births. So, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, have former communist countries in the Caucasus and the western Balkans. Even subsets of America’s population are following suit, though not the population as a whole. ”

    http://blog.rti.org.tw/english/2010/04/06/missing-girls-in-taiwan-sex-ratio-imbalance-and-its-consequences/

    Missing Girls in Taiwan: Sex Ratio Imbalance and Its Consequences

    http://blog.rti.org.tw/english/2010/04/06/missing-girls-in-taiwan-sex-ratio-imbalance-and-its-consequences/

    ______________________________________________________________
    http://www.lifenews.com/2006/06/05/nat-2325/

    “Taiwan Abortions Rise as Nation Faces Severe Underpopulation Problems”

    “Unlike its communist neighbor China, Taiwan faces a severe problem of underpopulation. Abortions are on the rise there, the nation recently experienced its lowest birth rate ever and the country faces the economic and social problems that will accompany a likely zero population growth in 15 years. ”

    “The Taiwan Ministry of Interior yesterday warned that the Asian nation could face a zero population growth by 2021. In 2005, Taiwan’s population only increased by 0.91 percent ” the lowest birth rate ever recorded there.”

    http://myshadesmagazine.net/2010/10/25/why-abortion-rate-among-asian-american-women-is-so-high/

    “Abortions are generally accepted in Taiwan, where the procedure became legal in 1985, due in part to the stigma associated with unwed motherhood.”

    ______________________________________________________________
    Singapore has one of the lowest fertiliy rates in the world, as do Malaysian Chinese.

    Malays in singapore have higher fertility rates than Chinese.

    “Singapore fertility rate falls to record low”

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1105160/1/.html

    “Singapore fertility rate falls to record low”

    http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20110117-258649.html

    “demographic change in the Chinese community in Malaysia’ that “the fertility of the Chinese declined from 4.6 children to 2.5 children between 1970 and 1997″. Comparatively, total fertility rate for Malays in 1987 remained a high 4.51.”

    http://www.isarawak.com.my/v2010/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=451:education-the-main-reason-malaysians-emigrate-overseas&catid=35:opinion&Itemid=54
    ______________________________________________________________

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/may/32.45.html

    “According to official government statistics, only 3.9 percent of the 22.9 million people on this island are Christian. But various mission organizations have estimated that among Taiwan’s working class, which composes 61.7 percent of Taiwan’s population, less than 0.5 percent are Christian. As a result, Operation World (2001) says, Taiwan has “the only Han Chinese population in the world where the spiritual breakthrough has yet to come.””

    http://www.taiwanchurch.org/

    “Did You Know? Taiwan has a fewer percentage of Christians than China: Taiwan (2-3%), China (6-8% and growing fast).”

    DDA, your “missionaries” aren’t doing any good in China. I’m terrified at the though of indonesian and filipino guest workers swamping Taiwan as the taiwanese population growth nears zero due to all these abortions, only hui families will be left with thousands of indonesian and filipino illegals who will be no doubt brought in as the available working class shrinks, there is no other resorvoir of workers available.

    Either that, or we become like Japan, which makes it very hard for non japanese to settle and get citizenship, which means its going to be pretty much depopulated in 50 years or so.

    No hui does female abortion, there is no skewed sex ratio if you look exclusively at Hui, since its forbidden in the Qur’an, we have the money to keep the child, unlike in third world countries. Also in general, Han find it less worth it to have children than Hui, since they aren’t very religious.

    I don’t dislike filipinos, but when i see the condictions in their country, the filipinos living in graveyards, and the fact that they don’t use contraceptives, they will sink taiwan to third world status. I approve of contraceptives, but not abortion.

    Send them to Taiwan and stop the massive killing of babies.

    “On Taiwan, abortions have skewed the island’s demographics to the point that only two girls are born for every three boys”

    http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001713.html

  34. says

    Maybe the stats on Sudan will change since the country split in two and the Southern half is Christian.

  35. says

    Maybe the stats on Sudan will change since the country split in two and the Southern half is Christian.

  36. says

    Here’s the list of the bottom ten countries, with Afghanistan bottom-most of all (and I betcha that if the stats for Afghanistan had been gathered in 1800, or 1900, that is, prior to any significant non-Muslim presence in the place, they’d be pretty much the same).

    Or ratchet time back to primitive days of the Stone Age, and these troglodytes look the same. Probably back then women had a better chance than today under Islam. Somehow those statistics don’t surprise much, sad that they are, as part of this Islamic ‘institution’… Sick!!

  37. says

    To my knowledge, Jews have never alleged that reading the Torah in translation will not provide one with an accurate idea of what the Torah says. They merely and understandably prefer to read the Torah in the original languages. This is very different from what you and so many other Muslims assert, to wit, that not reading the Koran in Arabic will lead to inaccurate assessments. Frankly, I find this line of reasoning that you and other Muslims proffer deceitful and obfuscating in the extreme. Besides, the proof is in the pudding. Muslims account for about 99% of all religious acts of terrorism in the world. I don’t have to know Arabic to know that Islam is warped, the Koran a disgusting religious tract and Mohammed a brutal psychopath and child molester.

    As for the Jews being the Chosen People, not being religious myself I don’t believe this. But here is something I do know: religious Jews themselves are crystal clear that they don’t know why they were chosen by God, only that they were. There is no bragging here by Jews, which the ignorant like you think is the case. Rather, the Jewish position on this matter is rooted in humility, not arrogance. Of course, you would know nothing of humility, only arrogance. After all, you’re a Muslim.

  38. says

    female infanticide is forbidden in the qur’an and you are talking about the hadith when you made your repugnant slander, you numskull airhead.

    I don’t need to go back to what I already said on certain hadith, the hadith (Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, hadith #494v) says that people who listen to musical instruments will be turned into apes and pigs, but millions of muslims listen to music from pop artists like Haifa Webhe, and the Egyptian composer Muhammed Abdel Wahhabi composed songs like “Al watan al akbar”, and every muslim country has a national anthem.

    These hadith are not followed by muslims, only by Salafists such as al qaeda, every time you quote these hadith and claim they represent muslims, you are in agreement with Salafis, in agreement with terrorists.

    Most “terrorism” is state sponsored, not done by individuals who woke up one day and decided to blow themselves up. Terrorists receive state backing for political purposes.

    Your American CIA, has worked extensively with Islamist terrorist groups like Turkish Bozkurt (grey wolves)

    This article in French explains how the American CIA supported the savage Islamist/Turkic nationalist Bozkurts AKA grey wolves

    http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/03/LEE/8019.html

    And thats not it. Go type in “bozkurt CIA” into a search engine, or “grey wolves turkey CIA”, or “grey wolves turkey CIA cold war kurds”.

    America’s ally, Saad Hariri in Lebanon (who is backed by Saudi Arabia and America), called for the Syrian regime to be replaced by muslim brotherhood

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-mlGH58XjqIYF1I465CGlvB-uSw?docId=CNG.67b2bce99c17bd498c7a49736b665005.5b1

    The bozkurt and syrian muslim brotherhood both worked together before to attempted to topple the Syrian regime, before President Assad slammed the brotherhood and ***** them into oblivion, sending their leaders scrambling for London and Paris, where your western governments are housing them

    Hizb ut tahrir and muslim brotherhood were banned in Syria, you could get death penalty for membership in them, and Qaddafi sent agents to London to kill Hizb ut tahrir members, assasinating on outside Regent’s Park Mosque.

    It is your western regimes who are backing and housing muslim brotherhood, bozkurt, and HUT and using them against government in the middle east. Take the massive, obnoxious, feces smeared stake out of your orifices before criticizing others.

    America’s hand was caught in the cookie pot supporting the opposition in Syria.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/135550/20110418/syria-assad-us-bush-obama-opposition-wikileaks.htm

    Guess which organization is the most organized opponents of the current regime in syria, and is currently connection to all its opposition? MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD

  39. says

    I dunno about Christianity or Judaism, but normally, most religions only focus on the dos and don’ts of their own followers, and not on other religions. You won’t find anything about Jews or Christians in the book of Avesta. You won’t find anything on Zoroastrianism or Buddhism or Jainism in the Hindu Puranas. The Sikh Granth Sahib does delve into the persecution of their gurus by the Moghuls, but that’s about the scope of it, and that too only b’cos it happened. That’s a very revealing contrast b/w Islam and the rest – Islam is obsessed about those who don’t follow it, unlike any normal faith. The Qur’an accuses Jews of worshipping Ezra – which other scripture from a normal religion has the equivalent of that?

    About Jews, I really don’t care one way or another whether they think they’re God’s chosen people: to me, it’s not much different from, say, some people in Malawi thinking that their’s is the greatest nation on earth. Point is Jews ain’t persecuting Gentiles who don’t share that POV, so they are not the enemy, no matter what they may think of themselves.

    I wonder whether Horse himself knows Arabic: if he’s Hui Chinese, Arabic is not one of the languages they follow. In fact, an overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide don’t know Arabic, and I’m not even getting into the differences b/w modern Arabic vs qur’anic Arabic. By Horse’s logic, none of them should be Muslim. But they are.

    Native languages of a religion are mainly needed in prayers. For instance, most Hindus don’t know Sanskrit, and in their prayers, just repeat whatever is chanted, but most of them – not counting Athiests and Agnostics – know pretty well what their scriptures say, and are pretty devout about following their religion. Not knowing Sanskrit hasn’t hampered them. How many Catholics know Latin? Do all Jews outside Israel know Hebrew? None of them are considered heretics in their respective religions, since all the scriptures have been translated into all major languages.

  40. says

    continuation-

    The American CIA has a long history with the Turkish Bozkurt organization which supports sharia law and wants to genocide Armenians, in your western countries, Hizb ut tahrir is legal, but in Arab countries like Syria, Libya, HUT is BANNED, and its members subject to torture and execution.

    Muslim brotherhood is tolerated in every corner of europe- in Syria membership in it gets you automatic death penalty.

    This is a political game. Secular Arab regimes sponsered islamists in their opponents countries while crushing their own islamists.

    While Saddam Hussein cracked down on the Iraqi Islamic Party, he gave arms and support to Syrian muslim brotherhood to overthrow the Syrian regime, and President Assad of Syria responded back by supporting Islamists in Iraq to strike back at Saddam, while they both cracked down hard on their own islamists, they gave support to islamists in the opposing country.

    They play politics, they play games, Islam is not a game nor politics.

  41. says

    When the hell did I bring up female infanticide? You’re rambling, incoherent and you are making yourself an ass before us all.

  42. says

    Don’t have the guts to reply to duh_swami do you coward…You avoided my question on another thread like someone would avoid the plague…You can’t back up your own statements so you run away…Actually I find that typical Mahoundian behavior, so you are right up there with the rest of the cowards…

  43. says

    quote from wellington “the Koran a disgusting religious tract”

    it appears that Wellington agrees with female infanticide. It also appears he cannot come up with a rebuttal to the fact that western intelligence agencies housed and sponsered numerous islamist terrorist organizations, while these organizations are banned in muslim states so he says “You’re rambling, incoherent and you are making yourself an ass before us all.”

    It appears his refusal to give a response shows a lack of intelligence regarding what his countries intelligency agency was doing for the past 50 years…

  44. says

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/islamic-jihad-leader-al-qaeda-is-not-a-person-it-is-an-institution.html#comment-784809

    I noted wellington projects what westerners are doing to kids in certain countries like Thailand onto the prophet as slander, most islamophobes cite the hadith about the prophet and the age of Aisha as the basis for this slander, not the qur’an, and I also noted that some hadith like the one on music are incorrect and not followed by muslims, except terrorists like al qaeda, in which case wellington finds himself in agreemtn with islamists if he claims these hadith represent islam.

    And he refuses to respond, since he clearly can’t- “You’re rambling, incoherent and you are making yourself an ass before us all.”

  45. says

    Dumbledore,
    I want to thank you once more for “Ten Great Religions” you recommended (in case you missed what I wrote previously). You mentioned also an interesting book of some Orthodox Christian writer – unfortunately I didn’t look it up then, and now it’s lost. Do you remember who it was?

  46. says

    Horse, dda, also ducked my question on another thread about Koran verse 4:34 by saying that since I didn’t know Arabic I couldn’t really understand the verse or many other verses in the Koran for that matter. It was the old excuse of disallowing the kuffaar any take on the Koran unless Arabic is known. Pathetic and obfuscating but oh so very Muslim.

    Horse just doesn’t grasp that many people are sick of Islam and sick of all the violence carried out by Muslims worldwide. He goes off on tangents. Makes weird accusations, for instance that I am for female infanticide, posts way too many links rather than just writing things in his won words and in general hates Western Civilization. He’s a marginal figure here at JW and quite tedious. I’ve thought of just ignoring him in the future and may do so. Don’t know. Sometimes you have to answer a totalitarian hater type rather than always looking the other way. BTW, I too have had trouble posting and hope the problem will be resolved soon. Hope you and yours are well Down Under.

  47. says

    I think the Orthodox Christian writer whose name you’re after, is American convert to Orthodoxy, David Bentley Hart. He’s written four excellent books – “The Beauty of the Infinite: The Aesthetics of Christian Truth”, “Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashionable Enemies”, “The Doors of the Sea” (a brief but very moving and powerful Christian response to the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami), and “The Story of Christianity”.

    He’s interesting in that – like Bishop Timothy Ware in the UK – he is an adult English-speaking convert to Eastern Orthodoxy (I *think*, to the Greek church) who has thoroughly done his homework.

  48. says

    DDA, I’m having the same problems – getting an error message after posting. What I do is go back and hit refresh, and after a few minutes, my post shows up. I usually manage to avoid multiple posts that way. What makes my situation worse is a very flaky internet connection.

  49. says

    DDA, I’m having the same problems – getting an error message after posting. What I do is go back and hit refresh, and after a few minutes, my post shows up. I usually manage to avoid multiple posts that way. What makes my situation worse is a very flaky internet connection. This was the error:

    Internal Server Error
    The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

    Please contact the server administrator, br0nc0s@pair.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

    More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

  50. says

    As I wrote on another thread, there is a problem with the system caused by a techie the other day; they are aware of the problem and are working on it. Things should be back to normal within a few days.

  51. says

    Somehow, the BLOCKQUOTE tag is not working right either – I had put the /BLOCKQUOTE tag at the end of the last post, not anywhere in between

  52. says

    Conjuring up an image of commenter ‘Horse’, I get three takes on him/her. The mindset of an arachnid, the flesh of a steppes-mule and the third image of a Ghengis Kahn sat astraddle, scalps swinging from the saddle. Altogether a rather humourless character.

  53. says

    Wellington just doesn’t grasp that it was western Intelligence agencies like the CIA which supported Islamist terrorists like Bozkurt, and it western countries which house Muslim Brotherhood and Hizb Ut tahrir, while in muslim countries like Syria, members of those terrorist organizations are subject to torture and execution.

    And he has the nerve to accuse muslims of terrorism, when his CIA is funding islamist terrorists.

    This article in French explains how the American CIA supported the savage Islamist/Turkic nationalist Bozkurts AKA grey wolves

    http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/03/LEE/8019.html

    And thats not it. Go type in “bozkurt CIA” into a search engine, or “grey wolves turkey CIA”, or “grey wolves turkey CIA cold war kurds”.

    If you didn’t understand a word I posted, it was only due to a lack of intelligence on your part.

    I mentioned that the hadith banning music is NOT followed by most muslims except for salafists like al qaeda, since you slandered the prophet as a “child molester”.

    You islamophobes typically cite the hadith in which the prophet married Aisha at age 9 years old in order to make up slander.

    Nowhere in the qur’an is such crap found, only in fake hadiths which are not considered authentic or are not followed, just like the hadith on music I mentioned is not followed

    every muslim country has a national anthem. name me one country that doesn’t

    Mohammed Abdel Wahab, a Muslim, composed this song-

    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=107588612105

  54. says

    Your attempts to make America the bad guy are pathetic. I don’t deny that sometimes you have to work with rogues to defeat other rogues. The Anglo-American alliance with Stalin in WWII is a classic example of this. But we don’t live in a perfect world chiefly because freedom, which the Islamic world knows NOTHING about, is almost absent once you get outside of Western Civilization (India, South Korean and Japan being a few notable exceptions here).

    And forget the damn hadiths then, though untold millions of Muslims, including many Muslim scholars don’t, you still have much rot throughout the Koran. Like 4:34. Do you think women should be smacked around, beaten, if their man merely fears disobedience from them? And how about all the directives to kill or maim infidels found in that wretched book? For instance, in Suras 8 and 9. Finally, the Koran is riddled with mistakes. It claims that Jews look upon Ezra as the Son of God (9:30). No Jew does. This is flat out wrong. Get that? The Koran goofs here big time. How can Allah goof, eh? Then in Sura 5 the Christian Trinity is described as the Father, Mother and Son. This is absurd and does not conform in the least with how Christians see the Trinity, it being for Christians the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So, the Koran alone is full of errors, calls for violence, vile statements about Jews (in Suras 2, 5 and 7) and a call for war till all the world is Islamic. No wonder Winston Churchill compared Mein Kampf to the Koran and Thomas Jefferson referred to it as “demonic.” No wonder William Gladstone, four times Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in the nineteenth century, held up a copy of the Koran in Parliament and said, “As long as this book exists there will never be peace in the world.” Take your Koran and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. The Koran sickens me. Am I being clear enough for you?

  55. says

    Forget the Republican Party. What about all the crap in the Koran, including huge mistakes like Ezra being worshipped by Jews as the Son of God or the Christian Trinity being composed of the Father, Mother and Son? Why would Allah make such obvious errors, eh?

    You’ve been snookered by a fake holy book. And it’s all downhill from there for you.

  56. says

    the jews and the christians of the arabian peninsula in the 7th century BC were not the same as jews and christians in the western world.

    massively different christian sects like nestorians abounded in the arabian peninsula, with different ideological teachings on the nature of christ and differing interpretations.

    Jews in the arabian peninsula did not live like jews in europe, or even modern day jews from arab countries. they lived in tribes exactly like their arab neighbors, the Banu Qurayza was a jewish tribe.

    now most jews from arab countries are of the sephardic rite. But before that they were mirzahi, and before that, who knows how many different jewish sects there were, after the diaspora by the Romans, they were scattered, they didn’t have a central authority to unite their community.

    the rites of different jews may differ.

    and in A.D. 523, a Jewish king burned christians in what is now modern day saudi arabia to death.

    http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=14900

    Have you heard of jews behaving like that in the west?

    The jews and christians of the arabian peninsula were far different from your western christians. These christians were not under the jurisdiction of the Roman catholic church, nor the patriarch of the eastern orthodox.

    And your catholic and orthodox churches have made changes of their own over the past 2,000 years, so that they may differ from doctrines they believed hundreds of years ago

    the qur’an is very correct about the real Jews and christians of the arabian peninsula in the prophet’s time- he saw them, you didn’t

  57. says

    The execrable “Horse” wrote:

    Nowhere in the qur’an is such crap found, only in fake hadiths which are not considered authentic or are not followed
    …………………………….

    That must be why one of the Ayatollah Khomeini’s first official acts following the Islamic revolution in Iran was lowering the age of marriage for girls to nine, and why he himself married a ten-year-old child in imitation of the appalling “Prophet” of Islam.

    That also must be why forced child marriage is so common in the Muslim world, and always in the name of Islam. Any attempts at reform are difficult because they are considered “un-Islamic”.

    “Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-islamic-cleric-threatens-jihad-if-child-marriage-is-banned.html

    “Shock horror! Child marriage still an issue in Saudi Arabia!”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/shock-horror-child-marriage-still-an-issue-in-saudi-arabia.html

    “Malaysia’s religion minister rejects child marriage reform”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/malaysias-religion-minister-rejects-child-marriage-reform.html

    More:

    “islamophobes cite the hadith about the prophet and the age of Aisha as the basis for this slander, not the qur’an”
    …………………………….

    So”what *does* the Qur’an have to say about child marriage? Let’s see:

    Qur’an Chapter 65, Verse 4:

    “And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.”

    “of those too who have not had their courses””in other words, *prepubescent girls*.

    Muhammed’s being guilty of child rape is not something dreamed up by the Infidel. It is only that Kaffirs find this immoral and disgusting, while your brutal coreligionists consider it completely praiseworthy.

  58. says

    Different Christian sects did indeed exist in the early centuries of Christianity but I know of none that ever identified the Trinity as the “Father, Mother and Son.” Perhaps there was such a splinter sect (I rather doubt it) but it is exceedingly odd that over threee hundred years after the Council of Nicaea (325 A.D.), which established the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), the Koran, which is supposed to be without flaw, would describe the Christian Trinity so weirdly and inaccurately, especially considering the contention put forth by Muslims that the Koran has existed for all time, long before the advent of Mohammed. Why would Allah put a description of the Christian Trinty in the Koran which either no Christian sect ever followed or only a very, very small splinter sect did? Doesn’t make sense.

    As for the Jews, I know of no Jewish sect that ever considered Ezra the Son of God. None. And even assuming some minor Jewish sect did in the Arabian peninsula in the time of Mohammed, why put in the Koran what almost no Jew has ever believed and pass it off as standard Jewish belief? Fact is the Koran is riddled with errors and contradictions. One place it speaks about a six-day creation of the universe and elsewhere it talks about an eight-day creation (Suras 10 and 41).

    Face it, the Koran was made up. Allah is also a made-up version of the Judeo-Christian conception of the deity and, by the way, ever notice that Mohammed was never denied anything he wanted by Allah? How convenient. Mohammed has fraud written all over him. Pretty damn bloody bastard too, not to mention a person with a voracious sexual appetite. But all of this would be no matter to me if Muslims just believed this rot. Problem is that loads and loads of Muslims kill people for doubting all this nonsense. Let’s see, just since 9/11 there have been over 17,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide. How many Presbyterian, Lutheran, Orthodox Jewish, Methodist, Catholic, Buddhist, etc. attacks in the name of religion have occurred during the same time period? Islam is intolerant and hateful and a prescription for the closing of the mind and the shutting down of liberty. I have come to despise it. Everyone of sense should. It is indeed totalitarian in structure and ideology just as Bertrand Russell averred almsot a century ago. And I fully understand why Winston Churchill compared Mein Kampf to the Koran. He knew. Boy did he ever.

  59. says

    the rites of different jews may differ.
    and in A.D. 523, a Jewish king burned christians in what is now modern day saudi arabia to death.
    http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=14900
    Have you heard of jews behaving like that in the west?

    I don’t get it. Is this bloke Horse comparing modern day Muslims to 6th century Jews? That’s about right, those primitive, murderous Islamics never left the 7th c. Sick boy.

  60. says

    I’m back. Tomorrow, I will, most assuredly, dissect each and every word of Horsey’s nonsense. I’m tired and just off a plane so I’ll collect my thoughts…
    ______________________________
    Horsey, the onslaught’s coming.

    Your missives are absolutely pissing me off.

    You’ll have to defend yourself WORD FOR WORD now, buddy.

    Be prepared.
    ______________________________

    DDA…I’ll take the mantle tomorrow. I’ve de-banned myself.

    Horsey can kiss my Phd. ass…

    Peace, love, and light to yours, DDA.

    Horsey —— prepare, smartass.

  61. says

    Be prepared to be ignored, since you have done nothing but post death threats and curse words against me. I don’t remember you challenging me at all on the validity of statements I made or asking questions- you just dropped f-bombs and insults…

    By the way, why don’t you answer my posts, Mohammedan? Afraid?

    I wonder how I could I have possibly answered Mr deebartok’s first post directed at me, since he DIDNT ASK ANY QUESTIONS

    Just to pile on with our illustrious, I take it, Chinese Muslim “apologist”.

    deebartok, after making his first post about me with absolutely no quetions at all, proceeds in his second post directed at me calling me an “Asshole” ans asking him why I never ansered his “post”, when not a single question was posed in it.

    I was responding to Graven image’s offtopic comment mentioning thailand, and you came out of nowhere and started cursing
    ______________________________________________________________

    Just go die AND my wife is Filipina, asshole.
    ______________________________________________________________
    GO DIE! YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS “students”

    that comment was a response to a post where I told assyrian chaldaen that he should not be jubilant at palestinian’s deaths. I don’t know how that warranted deebartok calling for my death.

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    “Bye Horseyboy. Go back to your shithole and please die.”
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    “Put simply, Mohammedan, kiss my ass, because you need to, since I pay for your internet nonsense. I refuse to quote your BS, except this little snippet:”hook nosed Kike trying to pass yoursel of as a Christian Zionist””

    I never made that comment. the whole topic of that posting by Robert Spencer was about an argentine hate mailer who sent him that message accusing him of being a “hook nosed Kike trying to pass yoursel of as a Christian Zionist”

    I said the argentine might be an arab christian, and deebartok makes a completely bullsh*t accusation and claims I was made that comment
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    IS NOT A RACE, dumbass

    DOI – you’re an inbred idiot, obviously. Go have sex with Prince Naif’s 10 year-old – daughter, why don’t you?
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    “Enough is enough. Free speech does not require its adherents to suffer personal insults (multiple, egregious)at the hands of Muslims.”

    deebartok should kindly explain what he means by “personal insults”, since I never bothered to respond to his profanity laced comments and death threats, and I never used a profane word against him.
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    Should deebartok come back with more death threats and profanity to hurl, I will ignore deebartok, and in his first post to me, he asked no question yet accused me of not “answering” his non existent “questions”.

  62. says

    Go ahead and ignore me, Horsey – I really don’t care.

    Something tells me you won’t, though.

    But two can play the game.

    Let’s see how smart you think you are…

    Why don’t you ban yourself for a week, like I did?

    What’s wrong? Logic too deep for you?

    ____________________________________

    STAY ON TOPIC, HORSEY. ANSWER QUESTIONS POSED TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. STOP WITH THE ENDLESS, MIND-NUMBING BS THAT COMES OUT OF YOU.

    And maybe, just maybe, I might respond to you at some point in the future.

    Have a nice day, Mohammedan…

  63. says

    And when was I comparing modern day muslims to 6th century jews? When was i talking about modern day muslims?

  64. says

    “That must be why one of the Ayatollah Khomeini’s first official acts following the Islamic revolution in Iran was lowering the age of marriage for girls to nine, and why he himself married a ten-year-old child in imitation of the appalling “Prophet” of Islam.”
    ______________________________________________________________

    I am not even a fan of that Indian national and agent Khomeini, but I’ve only heard these allegations about him marrying and molesting children, from Saudi Arabian Wahhabis, a video was translated by the MEMRI organization and “cited” by islamophobes as “evidence” khomeini had intercourse with children.

    I’m not so sure I’d take the word of Saudi Arabian WAHHABIS on what khomeini did.

    this was the video-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oyHM7aZ1Ws

    Pakistan was allied to the Shah of Iran, India was friendly with Khomeini.
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    Twelver Shias never, ever existed in China. No one there ever heard of them, when we heard of Khomeini, the only thing we know is that he is of a different sect, nothing about what they practice at all. There is no animosity to them for this reason, and at the same time, they have no authority over us, and what their authorities say don’t matter to us.

    Also, we don’t respect Khomeini since he usurped the prophet and claimed he was messenger of Allah.

    The Twelver Shia Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi of Iran, a great man, donated $150,000 to the Republic of China (Taiwan) for the construction of the Taipei Grand Mosque on Taiwan.

    http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/197004/islam.in.taiwan.htm

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    Khomeini signed his name as “Sayed Ruhullah Musawi Al-Khomeini Al-Kashmiri Al-Hindi”

    His grandfather came from Kashmir.

    translation-

    Sayed Ruhullah Musawi Khomeini, the Kashmiri Indian

    Normally, separatist kashmiri freedom fighters for independence DO NOT view themselves as Indian. Khomeini did- his loyalty was to the Indian state, India decalred 3 days of mourning after his death.

  65. says

    Lets see deebartok’s profanity laced, hateful death threats and rants – all of them unprovoked, I never said a word to him, and he asked my why i didn’t “answer” his posts, when he never posted a single “question”

    only in one of these posts, the first one, did I talk about Hui in thailand since gravenimage started OT about Thailand.

    here is was responding to gravenimage who was the one who went OT on Thailand, then Deebartok jumps in

    Just go die AND my wife is Filipina, asshole.

    Here he threatens me with death, after i criticized assyrian chaldean and DDA for being elated at palestinians getting killed. I managed to do it without profanity, i wonder why deebartok can’t

    GO DIE! YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS “students”

    Here, i was responding to DDA’s offtopic comment that ancient greeks celebrated the human body, and deebartok sends another profanity laced death threat.

    Bye Horseyboy. Go back to your shithole and please die.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Over here, he claims I made a comment that I never did- I never called robert spencer a “hooked nose ****”, or sent that email message. I said whoever sent it might have been an arab christian

    Put simply, Mohammedan, kiss my ass, because you need to, since I pay for your internet nonsense. I refuse to quote your BS, except this little snippet: “hook nosed Kike trying to pass yoursel of as a Christian Zionist”

    Did you hear what he said? he said “I pay for your internet nonsense” If you don’t like what I say, Don’t read what I say! I’m very honored that you are paying some mysterious person money to see my comments, but I don’t see how you can’t see them for free.

    ______________________________________________________________
    IS NOT A RACE, dumbass

    DOI – you’re an inbred idiot, obviously. Go have sex with Prince Naif’s 10 year-old – daughter, why don’t you?
    _______________________________________________-

  66. says

    More general obfuscation from “Horse”. He wrote:

    a video was translated by the MEMRI organization and “cited” by islamophobes as “evidence” khomeini had intercourse with children.

    I’m not so sure I’d take the word of Saudi Arabian WAHHABIS on what khomeini did.

    this was the video-
    ……………………..

    “Horse” is here acting as though this video”where a former associate of Khomeini’s gives an account of his setting up a Mu’tah marriage (temporary marriage) with a four-year-old girl, the daughter of their host at a home where they stayed overnight.

    While this story is horrifying, it is not corroborated elsewhere, *which is why I did not cite it*.

    “Horse” did not address Khomeini’s well-documented marriage to a ten-year-old child, his endorsement of child rape in his Little Green Book, or his *lowering the age of marriage in the “Islamic Republic of Iran” to nine years old for girls*”all on Islamic grounds.

    Perhaps even more noteworthy, “Horse” only dealt with Khomeini, who he despises for being a Shi’ite and having links”real or imagined”to hated India.

    He completely ignored the horrific allowance of forced child marriage in much of the Sunni world. The fact is that wherever Islam gains enough power, the spectre of child marriage raises its ugly head again”all based on the vicious perversions of the “ideal man”, the “Prophet” Muhammed.

  67. says

    The book you are talking about which Khomeini wrote is the “Tahrirolvasyleh”

    those quotes were found in the “fourth edition”, regarding animal and child molestation

    The Tahir ul Vasyleh does indeed exist, but there is no fourth edition. its a FORGERY

    The Tahrirolvasyleh has only two volumes. A third appears completely unknown to history and a fourth volume is alleged but not confirmed. The existence of this “volume” is contested to the point that it would be useless to cite it as a source. Even if it were real, there’s no confirmation that can be used to support a conclusion. One would first need to support the premise that vol. 4 of the Tahrirolvasyleh existed.

    There’s a photo of the alleged “fourth volume” out there on the internet, but mysteriously the original farsi text is conviently unavailable

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    The Twelver Shia Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi of Iran, a great man, donated $150,000 to the Republic of China (Taiwan) for the construction of the Taipei Grand Mosque on Taiwan.

    http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/197004/islam.in.taiwan.htm

    Saudis are Hanbali, Malays are Shafi, but all of islam in China is hanafi. we have different customs.

    Not only are saudis hanbali, they are salafi as well, Salafism was banned and called heretical by Imams in China. Hui generals like Ma Bufang forbade salafis from spreading their cult, and the Imams of all sects in China called them Kaffirs
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    “where a former associate of Khomeini’s”

    ______________________________________________________________

    I clearly heard the man in the video say his “shia hosts”

    “They were very generous during our stay, these shiite hosts”

    The man was not an associate of Khomeini’s, he implied that he was the “Guest” of the shia hosts who were staying with Khomeini.

    Not only that, Those men are dressed in typical Saudi arabian costume

    not even arabs from other places like Syria, wear the ubiquitous clothing of Saudis and gulf arabs.

  68. says

    khomeini’s paternal grandfather was an Indian from lucknow in kashmir, go look it up yourself.

    And I never said I hated shia. you are making up crap and putting words into my mouth

    this is what i said –

    “Twelver Shias never, ever existed in China. No one there ever heard of them, when we heard of Khomeini, the only thing we know is that he is of a different sect, nothing about what they practice at all. There is no animosity to them for this reason, and at the same time, they have no authority over us, and what their authorities say don’t matter to us.”

    “Also, we don’t respect Khomeini since he usurped the prophet and claimed he was messenger of Allah.”