Netanyahu to Obama: No way

Bravo. “Israel Expects Obama to Take Back “˜1967 Lines” Demand,” by Gil Ronen for Israel National News, May 19:

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was quick on the draw Thursday in voicing clear displeasure with President Barack Obama’s mideast policy speech.

“Israel appreciates President Obama’s commitment to peace,” the response began, curtly. “Israel believes that for peace to endure between Israelis and Palestinians, the viability of a Palestinian state cannot come at the expense of the viability of the one and only Jewish state.”

“That is why Prime Minister Netanyahu expects to hear a reaffirmation from President Obama of U.S. commitments made to Israel in 2004, which were overwhelmingly supported by both Houses of Congress.”

“Among other things,” Netanyahu reminded Obama, “those commitments relate to Israel not having to withdraw to the 1967 lines which are both indefensible and which would leave major Israeli population centers in Judea and Samaria beyond those lines.”…

The statement also notes that “Abbas seeks a Palestinian state in order to continue the conflict with Israel rather than end it.” Indeed.

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  1. says

    I’m so happy for Mr. Netanyahu’s bravery – finally, a lion among lying and cunning Arabic/Muslim crocodiles! Israel and the Jews must never give in to Caliph Hussein Obama, the suspected most dangerous agent of the real and savage Jew-hating MASTERMIND of global Islamic terrorism, the Muslim Brotherhood. See – http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=220307

    Column One: Obama’s newest ambush
    By CAROLINE B. GLICK
    05/13/2011 16:13

    Netanyahu doesn’t have to give in. He can stick to his guns and defend the country.
    With the new international security credibility he earned by overseeing the successful assassination of Osama bin Laden, Obama apparently believes that he can withstand congressional pressure and make the case for demanding that Israel surrender Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria to Hamas and its partners in Fatah…..
    Regarding Egypt, they argue that the Muslim Brotherhood’s rise to power is a good. This was the point of Obama’s Passover and Israel Independence Day messages….
    Unlike his predecessors, Obama’s interest in the Palestinians is not opportunistic. He is a true believer. And because of his deep-seated commitment to the Palestinians, his policies are even more radically anti-Israel than the PLO-Fatah’s. It was Obama, not Abbas, who demanded that Jews be barred from building anything in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. It is the Obama administration, not the PLO-Fatah, that is leading the charge to embrace the Muslim Brotherhood….

  2. says

    As was pointed out on FOX news previous agreement were made between Israel and the United States government. Not just the Bush administration. Obama is bound by those agreements whether he likes it or not.I expect Obama to begin backing off his support for the so-called Palestinians in the next few days after pressure from the DNC when fund raising begins to suffer.

  3. says

    Stand firm, Mr. Netanyahu.

    I wonder to what extent this appalling speech by Obama was intended as a preemptive shot at Netanyahu and Israel, since he is scheduled to speak before Congress next week.

    Of course, that still wouldn’t explain *why* Obama wants to throw Israel under the bus”but over the past two years we have certainly seen enough examples of just that.

  4. says

    It is highly likely that Obama understands that Israel returning strictly to the 1967 borders is simply unfeasible, however, “1967” is a term that plays well in certain circles so it needs to be stated. Besides, it is a fairly reasonable starting point for moving forward in the recognition of a Palestinian State since modern day Israel isn’t that far outside of the 1967 borders all things considered.

    Keep in mind: invoking the 1967 borders when discussing the establishment of a Palestinian State is about as realistic as suggesting America should get off of imported oil: it just ain’t gonna happen, but it’s a sentiment that needs to be invoked regardless in order to play to certain stakeholders in the process.

    That said, 1967 borders are a reasonable starting point for establishing a Palestinian state. Equally reasonable is the US recognizing a Palestinian state generally along those lines, but taking Jerusalem and the “right of return” off the table either permanently or to be negotiated at some future date (i.e. de facto stalling and taking it off the table forever).

    The sooner Palestinians have their own cruddy little dysfunctional state, the sooner Arabs and Muslims can quit invoking “The Palestinians!” at the beginning of every conversation about anything. And the sooner the rest of the non-Arab/non-Islamic world can move beyond this RIDICULOUS Palestinian-Israel issue and get back on the side of Israel in terms of democracy, national security and all the rest.

    In the end, Israelis are a rather intelligent and capable nation of people: they will have no problem continuing their success and cultural/religious self preservation despite the existence of a Palestinian state on their borders. They’ve done amazingly for the last 60+ years, and they will continue to do well. The sooner Israelis wash their hands of this Palestinian mess, the better.

  5. says

    If Obama wants Israel go back to 1967, the US must first go back to 18– when the Union had only 13 states, and also has to give back all the land grabbed from Mexico!!

  6. says

    It is time the Muslims move into Dar al Islam and off Israeli land.

    I thought they had a year to be moved out of Jewish land.

  7. says

    Further, if GOING BACK can solve the world problems, let’s all go back through the time tunnel; and Americans ought to board the Mayblower back to England leaving the
    New World to Indians; Pakistan should go back to India.
    Taiwan should go back to China…….and finally Obama should go back to Kenya !!

  8. says

    I’m glad Netanyahu is not going to cave in to the Muslim Brotherhood and our “Dhimmie in the White House.” But I can just envision thousands of “allah-akbaring” nuts running around throwing rocks this weekend as a direct result of their newfound misplaced expectations from Obama’s ill-advised statements. Luckily, Israel still “Has a pair” and will deal with them accordingly.

  9. says

    What’s so special about the 1948-1967 border? Does Jordan want the West Bank back; and Egypt, Gaza? No. Would it satisfy the territorial aspirations of a national Palestinian state? Hardly. Agitation for the return of lands gained by Israel in the 1948 war would immediately begin. I’m no cheerleader for Israel but the maps of Palestine in PA-administered school textbooks clearly illustrates their border of choice. Both sides haved missed the opportunity to deal the death blow to their opponent. One by lack of strength to do the inhumane; the other by choice to do the humane. Is there a border for that?

  10. says

    Better yet go back to the pre Turkish caliphate, pre islamic invasion and murder borders! Why just stop @ the 67 year?

    OBAMA usherer of the new islamic age, preparte folks.

  11. says

    We in India know the muslim mindset very well. Even if Israel concedes everything that “Palestine” wants, there will be no peace. Going back to 1967 borders is suicide for Israel. If we follow this logic (of going back in history), then muslims should vacate Mecca and hand it over to Jews since the Jews were driven out of there by mohammed.

    Netanyahu has rightly rejected this demand. Long live Israel and long live Jewish-Hindu solidarity!

  12. says

    I must say that Barack Hussien Obama DOES NOT speak for all Americans, and he certainly DOES NOT speak for me. I stand with Israel, Christianity, and Civilized thought. I have signed a petition that tells Israel just that. You can too at http://www.aclj.org (American Center for Law and Justice) This organization stands for everything JW stands for, and you would do well to support them. They put themselves out on the front lines of the courts to stand up for America, God, and freedom. The ACLJ will be presenting this petition to Israel. We also should write our congressmen, pronto!

  13. says

    “That said, 1967 borders are a reasonable starting point for establishing a Palestinian state.”

    There is no reasonable starting point for the unacceptable.

    “The sooner Palestinians have their own cruddy little dysfunctional state, the sooner Arabs and Muslims can quit invoking “The Palestinians!” at the beginning of every conversation about anything”

    And then they’ll invoke something else. We can’t keep giving in. Your line of thinking may be understandable amongst people who don’t understand jihad.

    But atleast none of should be under illusions like ‘lets just give in to one of their demands and then they’ll go away’

  14. says

    Sent to the White House this evening:

    Mr. Obama,

    I was astounded today to hear of your proposal for Israel to return to its 1967 international borders.

    Israel did not initiate the 1967 war. It was an act of unprovoked aggression by its Arab neighbors for the sole purpose of destroying the Jewish state.

    Your remarks would better serve the cause of peace in the Middle East if instead there was a demand made upon all Muslim nations in the region to first declare their recognition of Israel’s legitimacy and for their absolute refusal to support terrorism in any form. Until all nations of the region vehemently condemn terrorist organizations (ie, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc) there will never be a secure peace.

    Israel should never capitulate unilaterally, and I applaud her courage to stand firm and resolute in the face of continued international condemnation.

  15. says

    Wouldn’t it have been wonderful if that spawn of Satan had said that the “palestinians” were all to be moved off the land they are occupying and absorbed by their rightful country Jordan? That’s what needed to happen , not this tragic, comic opera.

    Bravo to Netanyahu for telling the anointed one that he is not about to bow to the whims of this muslim appeaser. I hope this ends the anointed one’s attempts at re-election, I’ve had enough of his garbage, It and he has become intolerable.

    I stand with Israel, always!

  16. says

    Obama made this campaign promise regarding Jerusalem …

    “Obama promises Israel ‘unshakeable’ commitment”
    (AFP) – Jul 23, 2008

    Excerpt:

    “Obama also said that he had not backed down from his comment that Jerusalem should not be divided, which he made before the US Jewish lobby last month, sparking anger among Palestinians.”

    “I have not changed my statement,” Obama told reporters in Sderot after touring the home of a family in which a young boy lost a leg to a rocket fired by Palestinian militants from nearby Gaza.”

    “I continue to say that Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel. I have said it before and will say it again… but I’ve also said that it is a final status issue” that must be decided by negotiation.”

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5lk-zp9aA416kmKHQ8CaUfawgtw

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Obama has betrayed Israel and lied to the American people …

  17. says

    So, for ‘outreach’, in Obama speak, read ‘surrender’.

    With Obama as an ‘ally’, who needs enemies?

  18. says

    The tragedy of Netenyahu is that he’s been in power precisely when we had Jihadi occupants in the White Whorehouse – first Clinton, now Obama. Bush was bad, but he would have been less likely to put pressure on Bibi.

    Israel should base all its policies on the assumption that it has no allies, and start from there.

  19. says

    One must remember that Obama has Sharia values. He is not an American either by birth or in spirit. He hates America and is intentionally damaging our economy, culture, and values. He goes around the world alienating our friends and ingratiates himself with our enemies. No foreign nation respects him or his ideas, but they do take advantage of his invitations to destroy us and our friends like Israel. He provides openings for our enemies to damage us in multiple ways. They recognize him as America’s worst domestic enemy, strapped with explosives, a hater and defiler of everything pure and good that this nation ever stood for. He has no honor. His playbook is “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Read it and weep.

  20. says

    What Obama did yesterday was announce to the world that he would subordinate America’s interest to the goal of making the Islamic world like us. In other words, he said that ensuring the Islamic world liked us is more important than even pursuing America’s interests, and as his first step to the achievement of this new foreign policy goal, he threw Israel under the bus and threw the Islamic world a bone in the hopes that it would help make the Islamic world like us.

    Apparently, Obama didn’t get the memo that says no matter what we do or do not do, it doesn’t really matter because Muhammadans will hate our kafir infidel unbelieving guts regardless and no matter what because they are obligated to hate our kafir infidel unbelieving guts no matter what. Hence it doesn’t really matter what we do or do not do, as the Muhammadans will turn it around and use to incite hatred and violence against us no matter what because that is a manifestation of Islam.

    We [believers] disown you [non-believers, including family] and what you worship besides Allah. We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us”until you believe in Allah alone (Koran 60:4).

  21. says

    I listened to the Press Conference this morning (USA time) that occurred after the meeting of Obama and the Prime Minister (PM) of Israel. I must say that my admiration and respect of the PM has increased ten fold. He was so clear in his message, and in his humble way made his views extremely clear as to why he opposes Obama’S approach to a solution. As a result, my support and admiration of Israel has grown even stronger.

  22. says

    “Further, if GOING BACK can solve the world problems, let’s all go back through the time tunnel; and Americans ought to board the Mayblower back to England leaving the
    New World to Indians; Pakistan should go back to India.
    Taiwan should go back to China…”

    You forgot to mention that the Arabs should go back to Arabia, Judea should go back to the Jews since of all the ancient peoples who inhabited that land the Jewish people is the only known survivor (so are the Samaritans, but the Jews and Samaritan are of the same nation), Egypt should go back to the Copts, Kurdistan to the Kurds, Assyria to the Assyrians, Nubia (in today Egypt and Sudan) to the Nubians, Tamazgha (North Africa) to the Imazighen (Berbers) and so on and so forth.

  23. says

    “Better yet go back to the pre Turkish caliphate, pre islamic invasion and murder borders! Why just stop @ the 67 year?”

    Now that you brought up Turkey, aren’t they occupying Constantinople? We need to go back to pre-1453 borders and give back Constantinople to the Greeks. What about Greek rights? If they were only as whiny as the Palestinians…

  24. says

    I think we should go back to about 610 AD and assassinate Muhammed. Anyone with me? Got a time machine? Bring it, let’s go. All aboard!

  25. says

    Al Kaafir,

    What you say makes a lot of sense, except for one thing:

    “The sooner Palestinians have their own cruddy little dysfunctional state, the sooner Arabs and Muslims can quit invoking “The Palestinians!” at the beginning of every conversation about anything.”

    Recall, the Arabs carried out guerrilla attacks against Israel, stockpiled weapons, cut off Israeli shipping (a prime cause of the 1967 war), and threatened Israel long before the 1967 defeat. Is is unrealistic to expect anything to change in the Arab approach to Israeli relations.

    Therefore, Israel will have to continue to adapt to life among either actively-hostile, or passively-hostile neighbors. The Palestinians will indeed have their cruddy dysfunctional state, along the lines of the Gaza strip, and will continue to blame the Jews for their problems. So, what else is new?

  26. says

    “…Keep in mind: invoking the 1967 borders when discussing the establishment of a Palestinian State is about as realistic as suggesting America should get off of imported oil: it just ain’t gonna happen…”

    Also, most of our imported oil comes from Canada, not the Middle East.

    My own guess about a future Palestinian Arab state is that it would be very unstable and faction-ridden.

  27. says

    I like the way you think, I’m in.

    {Mr. Peabody voice}: Come along Sherman, set the wayback machine for 610, we’re going to visit a man named Muhammad.

  28. says

    “I think we should go back to about 610 AD and assassinate Muhammed. Anyone with me? Got a time machine? Bring it, let’s go. All aboard!”

    lol, that’s hilarious, Courreges W …yes, I’m in! :)

  29. says

    “Going back to 1967 borders is suicide for Israel.”

    Well, let’s remember that Ehud Barak essentially offered that deal to Yassir Arafat. Arafat, horrified at the thought that he might actually be held responsible for the well-being of the Palestinian people and might have to stop being a double-dealing, mass-murderer, turned Barak down flat.

    Let’s let Israel have its head in deciding how to handle the situation. Israel has done fairly well, and probably would not be better off by taking well-intended, but not really very knowledgeable advice. It is the job of the US to watch Israel’s back in the international organizations.

    Unfortunately, Obama is trying to be to Israel what George Bush was to Iraq and Afghanistan. Let’s hope Obama is more inept than Bush was in advancing his disastrous agenda.

  30. says

    @RonaldB:

    Not much will be new, except that A) Israel is far more fortified in 2011 than it was in 1967, B) Israel has a nice little wall that seems to be protecting it quite nicely over all (and should continue to be built out), C) Israel now possesses the whole of Jerusalem, and D) Israel is in a much better position to dictate the de facto terms of any peace settlement and shape of a contiguous Palestinian state.

    Most importantly: with the formal existence of Palestinian micro state, the rest of the world will rapidly lose interest in the “Palestinian cause” and all things Arab, which would be the greatest gift the world could give Israel.

    And, once the Israeli military departs this newly established Palestine and gets back to the business of getting on with business, then the world can also start asking the Arabs/Muslims pesky questions like, “Now that Palestine exists and the Jewish state allows Arabs/Muslims to visit the holy city of Jerusalem, why do you Muslims refuse to allow Jews, Christians and Pagans to worship in the cities of Makka and Madina the way that your Islamic texts tell us they once did?”

    Getting out of Palestine will make it a whole lot easier to put REAL pressure on the Arabs and Muslims once and for all. With the Israeli issue gone, the Arabic/Islamic house of cards will not easily stand up to the onslaught of logic and reason which will attack it from all sides.

  31. says

    @AJ:

    It’s not a matter of giving into demands, it’s a matter of Israel removing itself from being the voluntary and despised militaristic nanny for the stateless Palestinian populations who have proven themselves VERY EFFECTIVE and marketing their message around the world – far more so than the Israelis. For better or worse, Israel has painted itself into quite a nasty corner these days, and it would be helpful for Israel to get out of it now that the paint is beginning to dry and crack.

    There are many ways to ensure the viability and permanent security of the Israeli state, and one of the most successful courses of action would be to either eliminate all of Israel’s enemies from the face of the world (not possible), or to consider Plan B: realize that the Israeli nation had neither the population, the power nor the resources to take the entire West Bank over the past 40 years (among other territories), realize that it will not have them in the future (Israeli Jews simply don’t have enough babies), pull out of the West Bank, finish building the security wall, continue to maintain Jerusalem and a couple outlying settlements, then recognize a Palestinian state and let the Arabs/Muslims take the future blame for their own dysfunctions.

    Very simply, the sheer existence of a Palestinian state will cause most of the world’s alleged sympathy to the so called Palestinian Cause to rapidly evaporate, and this would be a spectacular achievement for the Israelis. It would also give Israel an immense amount of leeway in ramrodding the realities on the ground through any “peace settlement” with the Palestinians as it will reasonably be able to tell the international community: “Palestinians have their own state now. It’s time for them to solve their own problems.” The rest of the world will buy into it, and the Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims will be left holding the bag.

    Or, Israel can go it alone as a pariah state with nothing but a couple fringe American Tea Baggers on their side (whom most Jews I know admit they can’t stand in private), and pay the consequence: endlessly dumping money into dominating the restive West Bank Palestinians, constantly fighting off Arab/Muslim hordes attacking its border points (see the news this week??), and trying to get goods and services into and out of Israel with the Suez Canal shut down and fly-over rights blocked from an unsympathetic EU, Russia, greater Middle East and North Africa.

    Israel: your future could be so much easier and more secure if you’d just make a couple slight policy changes and formally disentangle yourself from the mess of Palestine.

    It’s not appeasement. It’s simply moving forward.

  32. says

    @Kepha

    RE: Most US imported oil comes from Canada

    My point exactly. American politicians need to make statements regarding various political topics even if making the statement is senseless, unrealistic or even impossible. “Getting off of imported oil” is a nice and easy soundbite, but really means nothing in practice. Unless of course America has now committed itself to the destruction of the Canadian and Mexican economies…

    RE: 1967

    It’s the same thing: it’s a number that certain stakeholders in the Israeli-Palestinian debate like to hear, although in practice it is meaningless since *everyone knows* that Israel is neither going to give up Jerusalem nor reconstruct its little wall to exactly mirror the 1967 borders. However, it’s reasonable to invoke the 1967 soundbite and then promptly ignore it in practice.

  33. says

    This is a portion of Ezekiel 38 from the “New International Version” (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38&version=NIV )

    7 “”Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

    10 “”This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people”all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.[d]” 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages[e] will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”‘

    14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

    17 “”This is what the Sovereign LORD says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery …”

    As stated, this is only a portion of the chapter. Look up the link or in a personal copy, version and see what you think.