Yet somehow the mass murder of 3,000 people in the name of Islam doesn't demean or humiliate his family and his supporters, or challenge religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims.
"Bin Laden son calls burial at sea 'humiliating,'" from Reuters, May 10:
A statement purporting to come from a son of Osama bin Laden denounced the al Qaeda leader's killing as "criminal" and said his burial at sea had humiliated the family, an online monitoring service said.The statement, attributed to Omar bin Laden, bin Laden's fourth eldest son, said the al Qaeda chief's children reserved the right to take legal action in the United States and internationally to "determine the true fate of our vanished father", the SITE Intelligence Group said.
There was no independent confirmation of the authenticity of the letter, published on the website of Islamist ideologue Abu Walid al-Masri, although several specialists on militant propaganda said the text appeared genuine.
Omar bin Laden, who has been based in the Gulf in recent years, did not immediately respond to emailed and telephoned requests for comment.
The letter said, in part: "We hold the American President (Barack) Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims."...
Tough luck. That's the way the cookie crumbles. You do bad thing and they catch up with you. We won he lost. Don't go whinning as most of the billions look at him as a monster.
Omar better remember what he wrote in his book 'Growing up Bin Laden' His dad beat him until the stick broke many times. His father talked a henchman into running over his pet monkey, his father put him on a stallion as a small child and then galloped off leaving him to clutch the sturrup and almost killing his son Omar. Any fool know horses are herd animals that will go nuts to keep with the herd. What a jerk. Giving him a washing and a prayer was better than he deserved. We don't consider him in anyway a hero or a great figure. Great figures do good things not bad.
The nerve of it! That savage Osama and his men bombed 3,000 of mostly defenceless non-Muslim Americans besides many more elsewhere including in Bali, Madrid, Kenya and so on, and they dare to question the way of the burial of this savage and coward Muslim terrorist? Besides, Caliph Hussein Obama have already honoured the monster by declaring a "respectable" Muslim burial for him; what more do they want? Further, the real evil MASTERMIND is the Muslim Brotherhood, who is revered by Caliph Hussein Obama (Obama had ten of the Muslim Brotherhood invited for his Islam-bowing speech in Cairo) - thus is why Osama is peanuts compared to these more dangerous chameleon Nazi-like Muslim terrorists! Because they don't only use physical force but also through 'intellectual' brainwashing, globally, through education propaganda like the Nazis, especially through its 'sacred' spiritual leaders like the Jew-hater Yusuf al-qardawi.
"Bin Laden son calls burial at sea 'humiliating,'
GOOD!
Osama's son Omar bin Laden: Sea burial of OBL "demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and...challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims"
*****
Gee, I learned the answer to that one in high school,
TOUGH SH_T!!!
Either Osama bin Laden was someone who distorted and disgraced Islam and thus should not have been accorded so-called proper Muslim burial rights or bin Laden was an ardent and admirable Muslim who was denied proper burial rights. So, which is it? Either answer will speak volumes.*
*N.B.: If the response is that Osama was someone who did distort Islam but who still should have been accorded a proper Muslim burial, this too, in and of itself, will speak volumes.
What's the betting his son has the franchise on the OBL poster sales? 100,000 so far and they that's before they start marketing the t-shirt.
boo hoo... cry me a river.
RS - "Yet somehow the mass murder of 3,000 people in the name of Islam doesn't demean or humiliate his family and his supporters, or challenge religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims."
Exactly
Keep it up a holes. Just keep it up.
Right after OBL's demise I noted that muslim response was muted until news broke of OBL's burial at sea. Until that point we had the ball securely back in our court and the int'l muslim community knew it -- hence the silence. Then the O'asshole in the White House turned over the ball by boldly pronouncing the painstaking care with which we disposed of OBL's remains. If I was a muslim, I would not believe my good fortune. Imagine, the president of the US bowing to islam even in victory! So it should come as no surprise that the improper burial has been transformed into a battle cry. Let's just get it over and hand Obama over to them now. Let them put him on trial and stone or dismember him anyway they want...or, we could unleash the full might of our military and level a compound or two just to remind 'em that we still got what it takes!
Well, perhaps your DAD should have thought about your tender feelings regarding his death, burial, and receiving hells punishment, before becoming a mass-murdering terrorist scumbag. Hey your evil pop received BETTER than he deserved ...
Yet somehow the mass murder of 3,000 people in the name of Islam doesn't demean or humiliate his family and his supporters, or challenge religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims.
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Yeah...funny how that works...sarc/off
More:
A statement purporting to come from a son of Osama bin Laden denounced the al Qaeda leader's killing as "criminal" and said his burial at sea had humiliated the family...
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Wouldn't you think just being *related* to Osama bin Laden would be humiliating enough?
More:
The letter said, in part: "We hold the American President (Barack) Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims."...
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I'm still all broken up over the fact that Adolf Hitler didn't get a proper state funeral...oh! the humanity! sarc/off
Seriously, though—I knew that all that business about following proper Islamic procedures of washing the body, having an Imam say prayers, seeing that he was buried within 24 hours, etc would get us exactly no credit.
Of course, if bin Laden hadn't been buried at sea, then we'd be hearing about the outrage engendered by not giving him a speedy burial as demanded by Islam blah blah.
There's going to be plenty of "Muslim Outrage™", in any case...
Poor little diddums.
Sea burial of OBL "demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and...challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims"
At least his carcass wasn't dragged through the streets and slapped with shoes...
"At least his carcass wasn't dragged through the streets and slapped with shoes..." more's the pity. He should have been dragged all through NYC for the locals to take their piece
So, Imam Obama did the WRONG thing for the WRONG reasons and it turnerd out...WRONG!
COOL!
"with such importance and status among his people"
disgusting...
Now what would be the basis of his elevated status? I thought he was a Distortionist. Do you mean to tell me that he (OBL) was telling the truth about his religion?
He's their hero, and you want me to g.a.s.?
The only problem with the humiliation was that it was too small and too private. Well, at least the son is adding to the humiliation of the family name; one might have thought that impossible but for the son.
OT,
Check this out today; the behavior of the peaceful adherents of the peaceful religion seems slightly worse than usual
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Should be "turned out," of course. Our little prince of submission must be thinking, "After I went to all this trouble for them and this is what I get?" Yep, Barack Hussein Obama, the un-American president, yet again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Note to Barack: Keep bowing and scraping to these cretins, you idiot, and see how bad it can get...
These people are so sick. They should be hanging their heads in shame.
Speaking of shame, it's a damn shame OBL wasn't sterile. Dang.
Cry me a river! Indeed!
If I had had the choice in how to dispose of this scumbag's body, even the woodchipper, a la Fargo would have been too good for this piece of sh*t.
Oh, and poor little Omar was on ABC News tonight crying about how he just "loved him" (ad nauseum).
Rot in Hell, Osama!
ROFLMAO...I had to check and see if Shirk wrote this. Thanks for the good news...."reserved the right to take legal action in the United States and internationally to "determine the true fate of our vanished father"...oh, and good luck with that.
Go ahead and dump more like OBL to the sea, and the sea is never full !
I really hope they do push obama to determine his true fate and he releases the photo...I for one really want to see it.
I wish we could dump this douche and the supporters of OBL into the Arabian Sea to join their hallowed leader....
I'd put money down that these twits will launch full scale recovery efforts to find the body. We'd have been better off dumping it in the middle of the Pacific.
Hey Omar, know what I heard
I heard that instead of wights, they attached floats to your Dad's body so he wouldn't sink. Now they're calling him "Usama Bin Bobben"
I believe that that crap stain does speak for "hundreds of millions of muslims." And that is the problem.
You have heard of snatching-defeat-from-the-arms-of-victory? After the OBL/ISI operation, posters at Pak internet forums openly accused their terrorist government of harborage of bin laden. Now, after days of obamanut misinformation, retractions and surrender-diplomacy, 100% of Pak forum content condemns the US for violation of Pak sovereignty. Further, China has taken advantage of US self-battery and jumped into the ISI rhetorical pig pen.
If stupidity prospers, then none have the intelligence to call it stupidity.
And how many analyses of Pakistan's "Strategic Depth" policy have appeared in "antijihadist" lead posts? ZERO. That is not rocket science, and it explains Pak harborage. Is Charles Johnson recruiting spineless-weasels?
Again, if you indulge the Left-Islamonazi alliance, then they will take license. I see a lot of the tired Brit stiff-upper-lip - I-engage-debates-on-my-own-terms-and-I-fixate-on-early-untenable-conclusions - in posts here. Piecemeal victories are food for the wholesale triumphalism of Western Civilization's mortal enemy. Why do anti-jihadis think its is enough to point the finger at a west-bank murder here, a Nigerian beheading there, and take no regard for the strategic balance. Try Stratfor's $5 a week deal. It will shake your understanding of power assessment.
Maybe Obama can make it up to the kid by autographing several of the most gruesome death pictures and sending them to the boy so he has something by which to remember his dad.
Video footage of the burial has been released*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfF1vkMQ0h0&feature=channel_video_title
*may well be spoof, but it's more appropriate than the treatment he got
Guy walks into pub and orders an "Osama:" two shots and a splash of water.
Hey Omar, can we name a drink after you?
Killed by the SEALS, fed to the Sharks. Sounds right to me.
hundreds of millions...
what's the percentage range on that?
I'm already at the point where I will kill any douche that screams allahu akbar within my striking range..
I'm guessing that I'm not being alarmist in being that ready.
Demeaning? What we should have done is tossed him on the deck, had the crew of the Carl Vinson line up to urinate on his corpse, then sewn him up in a pigskin, and launched him from a cat. First, the top of his skull should have been taken to be used as an ashtray on POTUS desk.
His daughter should have been kept to clean the sahtray.
I for one, am extremely happy if Osama's followers think he was humiliated. Don't beg for respect. Earn it!
What'd be wrong in having dropped OBL from a helicopter into a giant pit toilet?
The fact that it's humiliating brings a smile to this face. As for hundreds of millions of "humiliated" muslims....bite me.
""Bin Laden son calls burial at sea 'humiliating,'""
NO....humiliating is being killed by Infidels in a safehouse provided to you in Pakistan by the Pakistani government....the same Pakistani government that promised to keep you safe and hidden from the Infidels....
So dumping the murderer's body at sea "demeans and humiliates" the murderer's family. I wonder what would have happened had I been the one to decide how to deal with his body? Maybe the following quote will give a clue.
"...what I'll do on your grave won't pass for flowers." Marshall Thibido(Harr Morgan) in "The Shootist"(1976)
This just further illustrates just how much non-muslims are expected to bow to the "supremacy" of the blood cult that is islam.
Awww, now we went and hurt the precious widdle feewings of all those Muslims yet again. Whoever planned the 40 minute Muslim ceremony aboard the U.S.S. Vinson will be quite upset to learn that all the trouble he went to was not appreciated.
Advice for Omar bin Laden. Get together with all the half siblings from your father's five wives, not to mention the many hundreds of first cousins from the 53 other siblings your grandfather Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden spawned (Osama was the 17th son, from grandfather Awad's 10'th wife out of 22 wives, and a total of 54 children - boggles the mind, doesn't it?) and spend some money on genetic testing.
Chances are good that you and your blood line suffer from severe mental defects as a result of generations of inbreeding. In fact, there is a good chance that the entire Arab population, which would include all the descendents of Mohammad, has been similarly affected. (See, for example, http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence ). It's too late for you, but you and your relatives could spare the world a great deal of grief by undertaking sterilization.
As for your old man - good riddance. Did he mention you in his will?
NAVY SEAL TEAM WILL GET THE PRESIDENTIAL SHAFT
Obama changes his tune and claims he never gave the order to kill OBL.
To distance himself from the Muslim world's chronic outrage, Obama's next blunder will be a friggin' doozy.
The MSM has already started to "groom" the masses for the inevitable ax that will (I hope to God this doesn't happen.) fall on the heads of Navy Seal Team 6. Several broadcasts have already aired with the emphasis on OBL's unarmed status at the moment of his extermination. It's friggin' nauseating.
My first and only response to this guy is "who cares".
Should have dropped him into the Hawaiian volcano where the Scientology Thetans or whatever are imprisoned.
Fitting company and then all Muslims could make pilgrimages into the volcano.....
I was hoping that bin Laden's body would be dropped into an active volcano so that his body & soul would make a beeline to hell ...
Da Binnie lies under the ocean. Da Binnie lies under the sea. Da Binnie lies under the ocean. Oh eat up Da Binnie ya crabs!!...
(sung to the tune of My Bonnie..)
I could give a rat's *ss who tore up bin Laden's *ss. Just so long as it got done...
Perhaps this is a bigoted observation, but over the past decade I do not recall the lad protesting that his father's actions "demean and humiliates his family and his supporters and...challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of (peaceloving) Muslims.
Could be the old man's actions were perfectly in sync with what his family and supporters and religious following represented, despite spineless Western leaders denying to the death the concept of a religious angle.
I hope there was music playing at the party/burial..Elvis of course..(not Costello)..You like Elvis Omar? Sure ya do..Suck it up kiddo. Your Papa was an A-Hole and now he's just another dead A-hole. Now put your head back up your ass and STFU..
Maybe before you do that you can apologise on behalf of your sickest of sick ol' man for all the grief that he caused..Didn't think so..FU too.
Adrian. .that was TOO funny!! ''Scientology Thetans or whatever.'' .
Thanks for the first laugh of the day!
To his credit, Stephan, the son of mass murderer Jim Jones has come to terms with his father's vile legacy. It must have been horrible for him to do that and I congratulate him for his bravery and his humanity. Osama bin Laden's son needs to do the same. Accept it and move on. No whining complaints. No requesting apologies from the U.S. Just accept it and move on!
Adrian : Joseph Campbell thought that Yahweh, god of the Old Testament, was an arab volcano god. Karen Armstrong also mentions it.
you live by the sword you die by the sword...
or by a navy seals round in the napper....
sweet..sweet justice.
Not forgetting the total of thousands of Iraqis, Afghans, Kenyans, Spanish, British and Australians.
All innocent civilians and undeserving of the ghastly death's they endured.
Add in the maimed, blinded and disfigured and this wretched ghoul's legacy reaches astronomic figures of untold misery.
And if we are to believe the propaganda that he and his ilk love death over life what's the beef?
1.General: Muzzies howl, whine, bitch, moan, murder.
2.Fight them: Muzzies howl, whine, bitch, moan, murder.
3. Appease them: Muzzies howl, whine, bitch, moan, murder.
Given Muzzies always howl, whine, bitch, moan, murder, I strongly opt for 2.
... humanely and religiously...
Which eliminates Islam.
*** 33:21 ***
I'm still impressed by how the Moslems running Arabia responded to the tsunami. Massive outpouring of cash and Islamic Scientists to Aceh to relieve their brothers. Petrodollars were flying as if in a hard tropical blizzard there, and outpouring of Moslem humaneness.
Junior Osama would be next on my list.
Is it not fitting that when the US POTUS trys to be really in with the muslims, ie burial at sea, that this doe not in the least make them happy.. and it turns and bites at Obama! l am happy on both ends!
Gosh Yes! It's almost as if the skin of the earth had juddered and the moon pulled its tide for them to display to the world the magnificence of their benevolence to their brothers. And as you rightly allude APF, it wasn't forthcoming.
In the meantime, from the Conspiracy Theory desk, the Saudis are busy suggesting that it was Zawahiri who led US troops to Osama. Read here for laughs.
Glenn Beck's team (while Glenn was visiting Israel) discussed on radio whether it was appropriate to celebrate Osama bin Laden's death.
"Best ringtone ever?"
(3 min video)
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/09/best-ringtone-ever
HI, ovinesongs.
Long time no see!
Glad you're still on deck, hope all is well with you.
Idiot president should of just released the pics and vids of Osama being killed. It would have stopped the conspiracy theories and couldn't offend muslims more than he already managed to.
I honestly think that now you have had your pound of flesh you have to leave the region of Pakistan.
By refusing to share intellengce information...how are we supposed to help each other? we cannot so please go....now!
Further you now have to think of yourselves and see what you have become rather than what you used to be.
You are a nation that is $13 trillion in debt. You have spent $3trillion fighting a bunch of people who have no army, navy or airforce.
You print money backed up against fresh air to keep yourselves afloat. In essence you suck....you are trying to protect your way of life from whom?
You don't need any help from muslims on that score...look inward instead...at the chase manhattan's and the corrupted fu*kers in your administration that create policy from Langley and the Pentagon rather than the White House.
Oh!!!! and I would advise against trying that unauthorised incursion into Pak again....not aunless you want a lot of dead seals on your hands and an India-Pak war to boot.
Sweetness as always
Well now. Although one can never believe anything written - in the MSM at least - I seem to remember that a year or two ago Omar denounced his father and stated that he had had nothing whatever to do with him for many many years.
Much as Osama's very rich parents had disowned their son. (and presumably his progeny) because of his activities.
Osama at one time was apparently rich in his own right but it is a fair bet that he may have squandered that on his evil mission and his many wives.
Omar probably has mental problems since he married a kook englishwoman 25 years his senior who looks like she enjoys the high life. (hell at a middle aged crisis point in my life I opted NOT to run off with a soul-mate simply because she was 17 years junior to me. Probably the right decision on reflection but then I was completely sane and rational)
Victimhood? Gold-digging? If Omar was previously lying he could have become very rich by turning in his father to the US. Even I've considered looking for al zawahiri but, as a now elderly white Englishman I fear I'd be spotted.
Omar probably wasn't lying and I very much doubt that he's a practicing Muslim. Why let that stand in the way of the chance of many £ (or dollars)in litigation.
Or am I just a cynic?
To be killed by kufr, washed by kufr, prayed over by kufr, and dumped into the ocean by kufr...is an insult to Osama, his family and Islam in general...
Why do I care?...I don't, except that I don't trust anything Rasool Obama does...There may not be anything to 'cover up', but since Rasool is in the cover up business,it's entirely possible he is covering up something here as well...
'Dead men tell no tales'...Whatever he knew, died with him...
I did not know that about the "Yahweh volcano God". Very interesting... do you think Karen Armstrong is the "ex-nun" mentioned by Thomas Madden in his Concise History of the Crusades? Is she now an expert on the Crusades as well as Big Mo?
I hear that the Soviets disposed of Hitler's remains by cremating him and dumping him in a sewer somewhere.
How demeaning! As members of Christianity, a religion of peace with over 1.5 billion adherents, this is an insult to us all! As fellow Christians I demand we go to Russia and blow people up there!
I think we should, too. We should leave it as a white hot glass ashtray. Make an example of that s**thole.
Time to turn keys.
And it is time you left the West, ungrateful infidel-hating savage.
Waht nonsense are you spewing! Read up intelligently on history - Hitler/the Nazis was a God-hating Socialist and Social Darwinist who in secet hated Christianity (Hitler/the Nazis used Christianity to brainwash the poor German masses) - http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/Radical%20Ecology.htm
NAZI GERMANY AND THE ENVIRONMENT
ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES AND VIEWS
"When we National Socialists speak of a belief in God, we do not mean what naive Christians and their clerical exploiters have in mind. ...The power of nature's law is what we call the omnipotent force or God. ...We National Socialists demand of ourselves that we live as naturally as possible, that is to say in accord with the laws of life. The more precisely we understand and observe the laws of nature and of life and the more we keep to them, the more we correspond to the will of this omnipotent force." -- Martin Bormann, NSDAP Party Secretary
Source: Boria Sax, Animals in the Third Reich: Pets, Scapegoats, and the Holocaust (New York: Continuum, 2000), p. 106.
"Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that all-mighty being whose law he worships. Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this all-mighty, which we call god (that is to say, the dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe)." -- Adolf Hitler
Source: Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Secret Conversations, 1941-1945 (New York: Farrar, Straus and Young, 1953), p. 5.
"Christianity [is] a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature." -- Adolf Hitler
Source: Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Secret Conversations, 1941-1945 (New York: Farrar, Straus and Young, 1953), p. 43.
Robert
Re- Baklava
Yes, Islam has seen, allowed to see into, America's store-
house. Many monies spent on Muhammad. My dear Baklava, it is only money! Im a 59 year old american male, I've seen Vladimir Lenin's guiding light go out. Now Im witnessing Mr.
Muhammad's light beginning to dim. Good Luck bro.
michael
"the president of the US bowing to islam even in victory!" My thoughts, exactly.
Demeans and humiliates, huh?
Challenges religious provisions, huh?
Gee, Maybe I'll take a second look at Obama.
We=e=ell, no not really. Had B.O. actually thought that might be the case he would have raided Crawford, Texas and seized Bush.
Demeans and humiliates, huh?
Challenges religious provisions, huh?
Gee, Maybe I'll take a second look at Obama.
We=e=ell, no not really. Had B.O. thought that might be the case he would have raided Crawford, Texas and seized Bush.
Hitler may have misunderstood his religion of peace but that does not deny him the right to a burial or end the necessity of Christians to suicide-bomb Russians until they apologize and make full amends!
Yes, Baklava, we should leave Pakistan, and we should take our money with us. Pakistan has always played the double game with us since 9/11, and more of us have wised up to it since then.
Pakistan spits at countries like the USA and India, which have real religious freedom, and cozies up to China where their fellow Muslims were forced to raise pigs by Mao Zedong. And Pakistan is soooooooooooo anti-terrorist that it has never met a peaceable Uyghur refugee yet that it hasn't subserviently returned to Chinese custody.
As for our national debt, let's start by turning off the spigots of aid to Pethologicalstan, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority. After all, Egypt starts revving up for renewed hostilities with Israel by beating up on its Christian minority. Pathologicalstan has avenged the honor Islam lost in the death of Sheikh Obama by raping 9-year-old Christian and Hindu girls. The Palestinians danced in the street after 9/11, so I believe that it would only be prudent to make every Falastin Arab in the USA who hasn't been naturalized report to the FBI and ICE every three months, and bar visas of any kind to any of them until further notice. After all, we gave passport-holding, voting rights citizenship to more of them than any seven Arabic-speaking states with the exceptions of the PA, Jordan, and Israel itself. While I'm at it, I'd refuse a visa to any Pakistani national who refuses to say prove himself a non-Muslim.
And let China sink its hard-earned money into the sinkhole of Pakistani corruption.
And the next time India clobbers Pakistan, let's just say, "Ain't that too d___n bad."
What do you expect, sonny? A 21-gun salute at the Arlington?
actually, what should be most humiliating to muslims is that islamic sharia did jack-squat in bringing osama to justice of any kind. either that, or islamic sharia saw no reason to do so.
Amen, brother Kepha, amen!
@kepha.
the Uyghur refugees in pakistan in 1960s were airlifted to kayseri in Turkey, a Hui profesor and his wife were also among the refugees who traveled by that route, he now works in Istanbul, Turkey.
I do disagree with the idea behind pakistan, Kashmir should be an independent state, the ROC should have kept up its hand in destabalizing pakistan and india in the late 1940s and set up client muslim states in the area.
And for the record, before 1958, there was religious freedom in China. In henan province, the local KMT authority had attacked hui villages and carried out massacres, so hui militia units organized to fight Japan during the war, aligned with the communists, welcoming them in during the Civil war, in Gansu and Qinghai and Ningxia, where Hui Generals and military dominated, opposition to the communists was fierce.
sroll down in this blog, somewhere past the middle there are pictures of the hui guerilla fighters (allied to communists, not to the KMT), they mainly fought against Japan in the war.
http://wdkz.blog.sohu.com/16070591.html
Most Hui troops in the regular KMT national army, were sectored away in the northwest, under Ma Hongbin they engaged the Japanese in a few bloody battles in Suiyuan, but the Japanese offensive failied and they gave up, no action occured for the rest of the war there.
And due to tight control over clergy, Ma Bufang and other Hui members of the KMT angered rival sects by suppressing Sufis and the qadim (gedimu), favoring Ikhwan (yihewani), over all the other sects and appointing Yihewani imams to take charge, so some of the Gedimu and sufis welcomed the communist religious freedom policy introduced in 1950 to kick out the Yihewani from its priveleged position.
From 1958, Mao started accusing the Sufis of being "feudal", "backward", and attacking religion and sending red guards to attack religion, and claiming that we were cooperating with the Soviet Union.......
Pakistan was the #1 sucker up before 1962 to India, saying they should get together and attack China, since both Pakistan and India disputed the same territory against China. The Shah of Iran was also in on this with pakistan, but when they saw China flatten India's military in 1962, pakistan and the Shah were quickly intimidated, and pakistan surrendered all its land claims against china, ceding territory- it didn't want to get its butt kicked as well.
China is also eager to keep tensions between pakistan and India as high as possible-
"China and Pakistan sign a boundary settlement in Beijing between Kashmir and Xinjiang where Pakistan ceded 5080 sq. km of PoK territory."
"China condemns the Tashkent Agreement between India and Pakistan as a product of joint US-Soviet plotting."
http://www.rediff.com/news/chtime1.htm
The pakistan cricketeer Afridi, made a reference to China in an earlier post-
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/pakistani-cricketer-i-dont-think-indians-have-the-large-and-clean-hearts-that-allah-has-given-us.html
"We don't want to fight with each other but a third country - everyone knows which one it is - is trying to spoil our relations. (This country) is taking advantage of Pakistan and wants to take advantage of India. I don't want to go into details but these people will not let us come together," he added...."
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right away I knew he was referring to China- the guesses of other people on that post was pathetic- Israel has no diplomatic relations with pakistan and cannot "take advantage" of it- nobody else guessed China.
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Even before the Communists took over China, the Republic of China KMT government, tried establishing alliances and consulates with Ismaili muslim tribal leaders in Kashmir to destabalize both the Indian and pakistan governments, and make kashmir independent from both, Defense minister Bai Chongxi calling all muslims to war against india.
(both pakistan and India were regarded as unfriendly states by the Republic of China, since they both held disputed territory in northeast india and the k2 mountain region between pakistan and China.- we wanted independent Kashmiri Ismaili Muslim states allied to China)
Do you guys rememember how India got Goa from Portugal? By miilitary force, launching a massive operation against Goa. The Soviet Union congragulated the Indians for their "anti imperialist" move against the west.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Indian_annexation_of_Goa
Nehru and India were already openly allied with the Soviets under the fake "non aligned" movement, which is code for "Im a Soviet client state".
Other Soviet clients, like President Nasser of Egypt, backed up India against china, supporting a lopsided resolution after India's army was flattened that demanded Chinese troops withdraw several miles from the border with indians moving at all.
I don't remember China ever launching an invasion of Macao to seize it back from the portugal. the transfer was peacefully held in december 1999, with no military force on china's part
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_sovereignty_over_Macau
the ROC government, before the communists, used differing means to seize back concessions, from storming the british owned ones in hankou, to twisting France's arm, holding french territory in north vietnam hostage in exchange after WW2- or in Guangxi, assaulting foreigners with force- but unlike India, these concessions were recognized as parts of the ROC, goa was never part of an Indian state, having been colonized since the 1500s
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The traditional Sikkimese monarchy, which is tibetan buddhist, was ruled by Palden Thondup Namgyal. However, due to massive amounts of nepalese illegals flooding into Sikkim, the nepalese outvoted the natives in a referendum, annexing it to India.
"In 1975, just three years after Jigme Singye Wangchuck took the throne at age 16, a rising tide of Nepali immigrants voted independent Sikkim out of existence, annexing it to India."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/bhutan/larmer-text/8
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India invaded Sikkim and ousted the Tibetan Buddhist King, the Indian army outnumbered the Sikkimese army by like a 100 to one ratio, and destroyed their nation. ______________________________________________________________
http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621
"King Palden Thondup Namgyal, the Chogyal of Sikkim was in his palace on the morning of 6 April, 1975 when the roar of army trucks climbing the steep streets of Gangtok brought him running to the window. There were Indian soldiers everywhere, they had surrounded the palace, and short rapid bursts of machine gun fire could be heard. Basanta Kumar Chhetri, a 19-year-old guard at the palace's main gate, was struck by a bullet and killed-the first casualty of the takeover. The 5,000-strong Indian force didn't take more than 30 minutes to subdue the palace guards who numbered only 243. By 12.45 it was all over, Sikkim ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.
Captured palace guards, hands raised high were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: "Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso" (may my country keep blooming like a flower). But by the, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. "The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gnadhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever swallow up his kingdom," recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal's aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayar in 1960: "Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle." Ironically it was Nehru's daughter Indira Gandhi who cited "national interest" to make Sikkim the 22nd state in the Indian union. "
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India attacked a peaceful Tibetan buddhist kingdom, sikkim, first by sending thousands of illegal nepalese hindu immigrants who outnumbered the native sikkimese budhists, outvoting them, and then cowardly invading them with superior force.
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India threatened Nepal- it demanded Nepal allow Indian troops to be stationed on Nepalese soil- Just like it invaded and annexed Sikkim
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In response, the Nepalese violently attack the Indian ambassador whereever he goes-
http://www.telegraphnepal.com/headline/2011-04-22/india-raises-utl-unpaid-royalty-issue-meets-nepal-army-chief-but-why-.html
"Indian Military personnel be allowed to guard Nepal’s northern frontier with China, Nepal should be under India’s Security Umbrella, stationing of Indian Air Marshals at Tribhuwan International Airport, presence of Indian military officials at each and every districts of Nepal in the name Ex-Gurkha pension Camps and now a strange Indian proposal has come which is to permit India deploying its security machinery to guard embassy premises and their officials."
India- the self declared honest friend is apparently hell bent on destroying whatever image of Nepal remains in the comity of nations as a nation-state.
At a time when third country nationals feel more and more unsafe in the streets of Kathmandu due to frequently happening broad day light firing incidents with fatal casualties carried out by Indian state nurtured criminals who enter Nepal through the open border, Indian foreign minister S.M. Krishna claimed at the bilateral meeting held in Hotel Yak and Yeti upon his arrival that Nepal should allow his country to take care of its citizens in Nepal because they feel unsafe in Nepal.
“Wherever our Ambassador goes, he is shown Black Flags, shoes are hurled at him…where is the security”, asked Krishna at the meeting writes Nagarik Daily. “What about his erratic activities”, ask observers.
(krishna is foreign minister of India, he is saying nepalese attack the indian ambassador, the nepalese respond by noting india's imperialist activities)
Krishna must understand the fact that why the Ambassadors of other friendly countries do not receive similar treatments?
This is self explanatory. India needs to begin soul searching prior to making such erratic demands
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rape of Naga women (who look like asian), is common at the hands of Indian army troops
"Women Rage Against 'Rape' in Northeast India" (the picture shows the manipuris are asian looking, like nagas)
" total of 32 women's groups have come under one platform to protest the killing. Women in Manipur are known for taking up cudgels against social issues. "
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0719-03.htm
the picture of the women protesting against rape in india, si again women form northeast india, asian looking manipuris
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/world/asia/27india.html
indian army also involved with teenage nepalie prostitutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7gOPmm_dY
"However, politics and tribal divisions have complicated the church's growth and mission. After India achieved independence in 1947, Naga separatists (many of them Christians) fought fiercely for independence from India. India's government expelled all foreign missionaries from Nagaland, suspecting them of fueling the Nagas' desire for independence. Finally, after years of violence, India permitted Nagaland to become a "self-governing" state inside India. But entry into and exit from Nagaland is monitored closely, even today, since Christian rebels still advocate complete independence (their slogan: "Nagalim for Christ"). "
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/february/38.51.html
http://www.historymakers.info/missions/nagaland.html
Christian nagas seek support from American Christian for their movement against India
"they’ve consecrated their nation as ‘Nagalim for Christ.’
“It’s just so unbelievable what is occurring there. What nation has a flag that’s been consecrated to Christ? America was founded on Christian principles, but I’m not sure if our flag is consecrated to Christ, but there has a call to seek and save the lost.”
She went on to say, “The Nagas are the largest pocket of Christians in the area.”"
http://www.nagalim.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=5
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Christians in india subject to Violent attacks from indians
"Thousands of people participated in a recent peaceful protest rally in Dimapur, Nagaland in solidarity with the persecuted Christians across India who are being targeted by the VHP, Bajrang Dal, and the Sangh Parivar organizations.
All private schools and colleges around Dimapur also closed down to show their solidarity with those being persecuted and to condemn the atrocities committed towards the Christian minority in India.
In his report, obtained by ANS, Shikhu said protesters carried placards such as “Shame India Shame,” “We Want Secular India,” “Love Your Brothers Not Hate,” and “Stop Killing Christians in Orrisa.”
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2008/s08100092.htm
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Yet i found two hateful Indian websites calling Nagas "christian terrorists", claiming nagas attack and forcible "convert" people.
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1136510315&type=news
http://hinduworld.tripod.com/views/nscn.html
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racist Indians, claim they are "christian terrorism" (just a little reminder to the Indians- they weren't hindu either before they converted)
http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/nagaland-for-christ-christian-terrorism-at-work-in-nagaland/
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Naga women are subjected to rape by Indian men
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzM2nx2G1w
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/naga-girls-murder-iitians-diary-key-evidence/109994
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-11-09/delhi/28104993_1_shopping-mall-molested-helpline
http://news.oneindia.in/2009/10/26/naga-girl-raped-and-murder-itt-delhi-scholar-held.html
Racism against Naga
http://www.sinlung.com/2010/09/yes-chinky-is-racist-word-says-naga.html
http://nagastar.blogspot.com/2009/10/indias-racism-under-scanner.html
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As India rises, northeast state wracked by chaos"
the Naga and meitei want full indepdence from India-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110402/ap_on_re_as/as_india_northeast_chaos
http://img84.imageshack.us/i/rocadministrativeandcla.jpg/sr=1
India and Burma should both fork over the disputed territory to Taiwan since ethnic minorities in India and Burma are both displeased with Indian and burmese rule (Nagas, meithei, assamese, naxalistes, kashmiris rebelling against the Indian government) (kokang chinese, rohingya, shan and wa people battling the burmese government, and Panthay Hui also oppose the regime)
the Assamese, unlike the Naga, are the same race as other Indians, brown skinned, yet they still want to separate, which says that Indias problems go alot deeper than racism as well. A photo of one of their leaders is on this article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4129254.stm
The following are a full list of Assamese separatist fighters fighting for independence from India.
United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
United People's Democratic Solidarity (UPDS)
Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
Bodo Liberation Tiger Force (BLTF)
Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
Karbi National Volunteers (KNV)
Rabha National Security Force (RNSF)
Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation (KRLO)
Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)
Karbi People's Front (KPF)
Tiwa National Revolutionary Force (TNRF)
Bircha Commando Force (BCF)
Bengali Tiger Force (BTF)
Adivasi Security Force (ASF)
All Assam Adivasi Suraksha Samiti (AAASS)
Gorkha Tiger Force (GTF)
Barak Valley Youth Liberation Front (BVYLF)
Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)
United Liberation Front of Barak Valley
Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA)
Muslim Security Council of Assam (MSCA)
United Liberation Militia of Assam (ULMA)
Islamic Liberation Army of Assam (ILAA)
Muslim Volunteer Force (MVF)
Muslim Liberation Army (MLA)
Muslim Security Force (MSF)
Islamic Sevak Sangh (ISS)
Islamic United Reformation Protest of India (IURPI)
United Muslim Liberation Front of Assam (UMLFA)
Revolutionary Muslim Commandos (RMC)
Muslim Tiger Force (MTF)
People’s United Liberation Front (PULF)
Adam Sena (AS)
Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
Harkat-ul-Jehad
India's the one who has serious problems, if all of these groups sprang up and started resisting their government.
Some of these Assamese groups are just terrorists but others may be separatist fighters. (the first few groups are hindus fighting for independence, the groups at the bottom of the list are muslim)
assamese separatists mainly go to china for weapons support and supplies-
http://www.indoburmanews.net/archives-1/2009/september-2009/assam-separatists-2018trade-with-chinese-via-kachin-state2019/
"ULFA eyeing China for shelter, commander in China-Myanmar border"
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/ulfa-eyeing-china-for-shelter-commander-in-china-myanmar-border_100112644.html
"The outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) is now looking to China for shelter following mounting pressure from Myanmar and Bangladesh with the outfit’s top commander Paresh Baruah now believed to be somewhere near the Myanmar-China border scouting for help to relocate its bases, intelligence officials said. Police and intelligence officials said there could be up to 50 ULFA militants now holed up in China’s Yunnan Province led by its ‘Lt’ Partha Jyoti Gogoi."
http://www.fairbd.net/Details.php?Id=129
" It is now common knowledge that Beijing has been arming the Naga and the Assamese separatists. Pakistan has been closely associated with China in this enterprise. Post-Mujibur Rahman governments in Bangladesh had co-operated with China, but the BNP-JEI government actively, and almost openly came on board to give all assistance to the Naga, ULFA and other secessionists, in co-operation with China and Pakistan. The strategy was to keep North-East India simmering with low intensity warfare, and intensify if the opportunity was available."
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mert1769/Managing_Separatists.pdf
"for the Naga insurgents because both Pakistan and China were actively exploiting "
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/homeland%20security/Northeast-The-External-Dimension.html
"When the Nagas rebelled against India, Pakistan found an ideal opportunity to take advantage of the situation. Naga rebels were the first to receive moral and material support from Pakistan..."
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/publication/faultlines/volume17/wasbir.htm
"Not just depending on Pakistan, the UNLF moved closer to China with a team headed by N. Bisheswar Singh proceeding to Lhasa in 1975 to ask for Beijing's assistance. "
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The west is morally bankrupt if it allows India to crush the nagas, sikkimese, nepalese, etc., and the ignorance of the west fills in the vacuum for Pakistan, which is in the position of supporting Christian rebels against the Indian government.
Also Kepha, the beating up of christians started after Egypt made peace with Israel. Before that, Islamist groups like muslim brotherhood were crushed without mercy, Sadat made peace with israel and let all the islamists, salafis get out of the jails and allow political islam to fill in the vacuum left by anti israel arab nationalism.
THis is why in Syria, which is strongly anti israel, also has christians in top ranking military positions-
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Sky-News-Analysis-Tim-Marshall-Looks-At-Why-The-Bashir-Al-Assad-Regime-Has-Not-Collapsed/Article/201105115987446?lpos=World_News_First_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15987446_Sky_News_Analysis%3A_Tim_Marshall_Looks_At_Why_The_Bashir_Al_Assad_Regime_Has_Not_Collapsed_
"There are also units dominated by Christian and Druze who might be more prepared to fire upon what are mostly Sunni demonstrators than Sunni conscripts in ordinary units."
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=51978&pageid=13&pagename=Analysis
"Their strategy has been to use Christian and Druze troops and security personnel against Sunni protesters to create a wedge between the Sunnis and the country’s minority groups (Alawites, Druze, Christians), "
Horse, is there a point to your successive cut-and-paste barrages? If you handed that in as a homework assignment I'd send it back for being excessively verbose and lacking focus.
ROBERT,MARISOL.
Last chance.
Ban Horsey, Narzhoru and Insect, or I'm outta here forever.
We have all tried to be patient and understanding,
But ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Please know, when things like this come up, that it's faster to reach us via the contact form on the main page than to wait for us to find something in the comments, especially when it's an older thread. I only happened to see this just now because I logged in to take care of something else.
And now, whack-a-mole, round three.
Gotcha, Marisol. Thanks for the proper method with which to notify.
Just a quick kudo - I am at a loss for words to decribe the admiration I feel for your tireless work on behalf of the cause. I wish I could do more, alas, I'll just keep on writing, in hopes of influencing someone, somewhere, to join the battle. And sorry, for the "ultimatum". I know it smacks of undue self-importance.
Have fun with Whack-a Mole!