Pakistan warns U.S. of “disastrous consequences” for any more bin Laden-style raids

The Pakistani government should be apologizing. It should be groveling. It should be undertaking a massive internal reform to sweep out the jihad sympathizers. It should be opening its doors to American military personnel, acknowledging that it is infiltrated and compromised and offering to do whatever it takes to reverse that. After all, Pakistan is a country on the dole. They’re getting billions from the U.S. every year to fight jihad terrorism. They should be doing everything they can right now to repair the damage done by the revelation that they were sheltering Osama bin Laden for years. But instead, we’re getting threats and Islamic supremacist arrogance. Congress should cut all aid — all aid to Pakistan today, present the Pakistani government with a bill for all the aid given to it since 9/11, and cease to consider Pakistan an ally.

“Pakistan warns America not to stage any more raids,” by Chris Brummitt for the Associated Press, May 6:

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan warned America Thursday of “disastrous consequences” if it carries out any more raids against terrorists like the one that killed Osama bin Laden, and hit back at international allegations it may have been harboring the al-Qaida chief….

Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir’s remarks seemed to be aimed chiefly at addressing that criticism.

“The Pakistan security forces are neither incompetent nor negligent about their sacred duty to protect Pakistan,” he told reporters. “There shall not be any doubt that any repetition of such an act will have disastrous consequences,” he said….

American officials have said they didn’t inform Pakistan in advance, fearing bin Laden could be tipped off.

Elements of Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency have long been suspected of maintaining links to Islamist militants, mostly for use as proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. While the country has worked with the United States to arrest many al-Qaida operatives since 2001, suspicion lingers it is playing a double game.

The leaders of Britain and France, as well as U.S. officials, have said Pakistan has questions to answer over bin Laden’s location in a large house close to an army academy in a garrison town.

Bashir said it was “absolutely wrong” to blame the ISI. “After all there was information within the U.S. system about those who were ultimately, eventually responsible for the 9/11 (attacks), so it’s not for me to say that the U.S. government or the CIA failed to prevent that,” he said….

Bashir said perceptions that Pakistan’s ties with Washington were at rock bottom were untrue.

“We acknowledge the United States is an important friend,” he said. “Basically Pakistan and U.S. relations are moving in the right direction.”

EU spokesman Michael Mann said Thursday “there can be no doubt” Pakistan would remain an important partner in the region even amid the allegations.

Of course.

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  1. says

    What IS it with these podunk countries?…oh, wait…it’s Islam.

    The “aid” they’ve had since 9/11 is tantamount to jizya as far as they’re concerned – they won’t be wanting to give that up from a load of infidels. And Britain’s recently ponied-up $1bn of jizya to help pay for terrorist training camps – er…sorry, no, to spend on schools. Yes, to spend on schools…that’s right.

    well, it’s SORT of a school – if you squint, maybe? From a distance…?

  2. says

    OK NO MORE COMANDO RAIDS!just sit back and launch missiles into the terrorist compounds from unmanned drones, that way no American blood is spilled.

  3. says

    RE:”After all, Pakistan is a country on the dole.”
    **************************************************************
    And they will continue to be on dole in spite of their bluster and open defiance.

    In the last 48 hours, McCain, Kerry, Lugar, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Boehner, and other assorted sissies in Washington have called for continued economic and military aid to the terrorist state of Pakistan.

    With all of these sissies rallying behind Pakistan, we will eventually be waving the white flag of surrender.

    On the other hand, if young turks like Allen West lead the charge, we would freeze all aid to Pakistan, and go it alone with our Drones, Stealth Fighters, Daisy Cutters, and W-88 Tactical Nuclear Weapons, to start a large scale massacre of Jihadist holed up across Pakistan.

    It’s about time we put these Pakis in their place.

  4. says

    It’s a shame that we don’t have someone in the Oval Office that will call out Pakistan’s bluff and tell it like it is and do what is needed, cutting off the money.

  5. says

    Pakistan warned America Thursday of “disastrous consequences” if it carries out any more raids against terrorists like the one that killed Osama bin Laden, and hit back at international allegations it may have been harboring the al-Qaida chief….

    So … who’s left and tell me again why you don’t think they are in your country?

  6. says

    Update: Paki beggars are indignant at the U.S.

    (the following news item just reported at hindustantimes.com)

    “Pakistan’s army, facing rare criticism at home after US forces killed Osama bin Laden in a raid, said it will review its intelligence and military cooperation with the United States if more unilateral attacks are conducted.”

  7. says

    Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are ungovernable states. The U.S. should seriously consider a “divide and fragment” policy of busting up both entities and supporting newer ones such as Pashtunia, Baluchistan, Punjab, Sindh, etc. Let nationalism play a renewed role in the region. If “love of death” is still the religious ideal, then play one off against another so they all get what they worship: death.

    Supporting these two states is stupid. Our naturally ally is India. “Rebuilding” Afghanistan is neither our responsibility nor our obligation. Pakistan is at the forefront of efforts to undermine our way of life, and has always been involved with the jihadist threat. Instead of playing its “double game,” let’s give it “double jeopardy.”

  8. says

    Whatever India’s flaws might or might not be, she doesn’t have totalitarian designs on Europe. Islam does have such designs, on Europe and the rest of the world. That’s the key difference Horse doesn’t get, or doesn’t care about. He’s trying to obfuscate by throwing a bunch of secondary facts or pseudo-facts out about India. But he misses the big picture threat to freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, political and civil liberties: Islam.

  9. says

    The loss of Pakistan would not be a loss to the world, in fact it might be a huge improvement.

    I say take their nukes away, take the money away and let them revert to the stone age. Shouldn’t take more than a month.

  10. says

    The title of this article begs the question: Why does Pakistan have reason to fear we might conduct such raids in future?

    How many other terrorists are they sheltering in ISI safehouses?

    No matter how much they bleat they won’t openly lift a finger against us. We know it. They know it. They know we know it.

  11. says

    “Congress should cut all aid — all aid to Pakistan today, present the Pakistani government with a bill for all the aid given to it since 9/11, and cease to consider Pakistan an ally.”

    Hear, hear, Robert! …Pakistan has SOME nerve.

  12. says

    Porkistan warns US of disastrous consequences….

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,…..

    Are their Chinese masters goading them to say so?

  13. says

    Indians sold missle, chemical and biological weapons material to Iran and Syria-

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/US-suspected-Indian-cos-role-in-Iran-N-plan/articleshow/7124807.cms
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/185214

    mass rape epidmics and gendercide abortion occuring in India-

    The “really creepy” stuff is the fact that Indian officials blamed the *victim- a nine year old girl dressed in a bikini for “provoking” rapist attackers.

    female abortion of girl babies in india

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/qaradawi-kill-gaddafi.html#comment-778909

    _____________________________________________________________
    rape in india

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/india/100131/goa-sexual-assault-bikinis

    “Once upon a time, the beaches of Goa were known for free love. But as a string of high-profile sexual assaults on tourists culminated in the alleged rape of a 9-year-old Russian girl last week, the idyllic strip of sand along the Arabian Sea is fast gaining a fearful reputation.”

    “The answer? According to the state’s ministry of tourism, those cute pre-teens in two-pieces are asking for it.

    “You can’t blame the locals; they have never seen such women. Foreign tourists must maintain a certain degree of modesty in their clothing. Walking on the beaches half-naked is bound to titillate the senses,” New Delhi’s Mail Today newspaper quoted Pamela Mascarhenas, Goa’s deputy director of tourism, as saying Friday.”

    http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/28/goa-rape-how-can-a-nine-year-old-provoke.htm

    “There was some talk in quarters by legislators in Goa that Russians provoke. How can a little nine-year-old provoke? How can it be? The situation is not right in Goa. Goan authorities are not doing everything to investigate. This is not the first case,” he added.”

    “Goa receives around 40,000 Russian tourists, and was rocked with the rape of a 25-year-old girl allegedly by a local politician on December 1 last year. In another instance, two Russian girls had to hide in forest for almost four hours on Christmas day after a taxi driver allegedly chased them demanding sexual favours.”

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tourist-pulled-off-bus-in-orissa-gangraped/51817-3.html?xml

    “Tourist pulled off bus in Orissa, gang-raped”
    ______________________________________________________________

    Clearly the Indian authorities thought that the 9 year old girl was “asking” to get raped by the perverted Indian men.

    “Rapes of Women Show Clash of Old and New India”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/world/asia/27india.html

    ______________________________________________________________
    India is persecuting Naga separatists in northeast India as it illegally lays claim to Kashmir

    The Naga are a totally different ethnic group, and fight for independence from the Indian state since their language, culture, and race is different from Indians. They converted to christianity from western missionaries a long time ago. They are persecuted for their race and culture,.

    “As India rises, northeast state wracked by chaos”

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=13281688

  14. says

    continued from above comment

    *India is a cruel, aggresive, and greedy country, it seized Goa from Portugal through military force, it overwhelmed the peaceful Sikkimese Tibetan buddhists through migration, it crushes the naga and meithei and assamese in its northeast..

    Manipuris resemble East asians and are sometimes treated racistly by dravidian indians. They declared their independence hours before India actually became independent, and were forcibly joined to the Indian state.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/02/2147174/as-india-rises-northeast-state.html

    But the Assamese are the same race as other Indians, brown skinned, yet they still want to separate, which says that Indias problems go alot deeper than racism as well. A photo of one of their leaders is on this article

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4129254.stm

    Some of these Assamese separtists flee to Yunnan province in China to seek Chinese support.

    Both the indian government, and the burmese junta, which is allied to India, attack and kill these people for their separatist goals. The west acts like its deaf and dumb, ignoring the abuse of these people, not saying a word. They go to China because thats the only place where they can get material support.

    http://nagarealm.com/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=831

    The Satanic Burmese military Junta has allied with India, taking action against the *Christian asian Nagas, per India’s demand

    http://freshinitiative.net/world/news/2645-burmese-army-targets-indias-naga-separatists

    These Christian Nagas received most of their weapons from “maoist” China. In addition, the “Assamese Separatist Movement”, rebelled against Indian government. The racists Indians massacred assamese in the “Kakopathar Massacre”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8664282.stm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhKFMJIejH4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzM2nx2G1w

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/naga-girls-murder-iitians-diary-key-evidence/109994

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-11-09/delhi/28104993_1_shopping-mall-molested-helpline

    http://news.oneindia.in/2009/10/26/naga-girl-raped-and-murder-itt-delhi-scholar-held.html

    http://www.sinlung.com/2010/09/yes-chinky-is-racist-word-says-naga.html

    http://nagastar.blogspot.com/2009/10/indias-racism-under-scanner.html

  15. says

    Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir’s remarks seemed to be aimed chiefly at addressing that criticism.

    “The Pakistan security forces are neither incompetent nor negligent about their sacred duty to protect Pakistan,” he told reporters. “There shall not be any doubt that any repetition of such an act will have disastrous consequences,” he said….
    …………………………..

    Notice that Secretary Bashir considers American missions to take out terrorists a compromise to the “sacred duty to protect Pakistan”, but harboring the world’s most wanted terrorist is of so little concern that it doesn’t so much as warrant a mention…

  16. says

    Horse, you said

    India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam.

    That doesn’t change the essential fact that India is majority-Hindu and does not have totalitarian designs on the world. Islam does have such designs.

    You said,

    you islamophobes misleadingly claim this is about muslim versus hindu

    No, liar, this is about Muslims versus everyone else. You are the one who continually emphasizes ethnic categories here, and tries to hide the fact that the issue is in fact ideological: Islamic doctrine is totalitarian.

    For example: Muslims invaded India and killed tens of millions there and destroyed thousands of Hindu temples. The Hindus never invaded Arabia.

    Here is what Will Durant, in his eight volume Story of Civilization says on page 459-462 of Volume 1:

    The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history…The first Moslem attack was a passing raid upon Multan, in the western Punjab (664 AD). Similar raids occurred at the convenience of the invaders during the next three centuries, with the result that the Moslems established themselves in the Indus Valley about the same time that their Arab co-religionists in the West were fighting the battle of Tours (732 AD) for the mastery of Europe…In the year 997 a Turkish chieftain…swept across the [Indian] frontier with a force inspired by a pious aspiration for booty. He met the unprepared Hindus at Bhimnagar, slaughtered them, pillaged their cities, destroyed their temples, and carried away the accumulated treasures of centuries…Each winter Mahmud descended into India, filled his treasure chest with spoils, and amused his men with full freedom to pillage and kill…he expressed his admiration for the architecture of the great shrine [at Mathura on the Jumna], judged that its duplication would cost one hundred million dinars and the labor of two hundred years, and then ordered it to be soaked with naphtha and burnt to the ground. Six years later he sacked another opulent city of northern India, Somnath, killed all its fifty thousand inhabitants, and dragged its wealth to Ghazni…The first of [the] bloody sultans [of the Sultanate of Delhi] was a normal specimen of his kind — fanatical, ferocious, and merciless. His gifts, as the Mohammedan historian tells us, “were bestowed by hundreds of thousands, and his slaughters likewise were by hundreds of thousands.” Sultan Muhammad bin Tughlak…killed so many Hindus that, in the words of a Moslem historian, “there was constantly in front of his royal pavilion and his Civil Court a mound of dead bodies and a heap of corpses, while the sweepers and executioners were wearied out by their work of dragging” the victims “and putting them to death in crowds.”..His successor, Firoz Shah, invaded Bengal, offered a reward for every Hindu head, paid for 180,000 of them, raided Hindu villages for slaves…Sultan Ahmad Shah feasted for three days whenever the number of defenseless Hindus slain in his territories in one day reached twenty thousand…The usual policy of the Sultans was clearly sketched by Alau-d-din, who required his advisers to draw up “rules and regulations for grinding down the Hindus…” Half of the gross produce of the soil was collected by the [Islamic] government; native rulers had taken one-sixth. “No Hindu,” says a Moslem historian, “could hold up his head, and in their houses no sign of gold or silver…or of any superfluity was to be seen…Blows, confinement in the stocks, imprisonment and chains, were all employed to enforce payment.”

    And so on.

    I’m beginning to think Horse should indeed be banned. He seems to be a baldfaced liar and a calculating manipulator. He does not argue in good faith.

  17. says

    The compound where O.B.L. met his first, and last, Seal is now becoming a shrine, we should request it be destroyed by Pakistan, or do it ourselves.

    For all the listed countrys, and peoples, and posts in this forum above that catalog the troubles and conflicts, and actions, one thing is missing.

    The missing one is islam, islam itself..

    We should reject, in words and deeds, this “faith” that is islam, with every fiber of our being, for every reason that has been listed, it is the major cause that is driving the entire world into chaos and ruin.

  18. says

    Today’s photo in my newspaper is from outside a Peshawar courtroom, showing the lawyers etc performing a kind of “funeral in absentia” in honour of Osama. Lined up military style as usual.

    They probably agree with the wise dictum by the Organization of the Islamic Conference that “the Muslim is always right”.

  19. says

    Horse’s comments are interesting. He has dug facts of India’s socialism days and mixed them up with a load of other insignificant items and factoids. Other posters have dealt with them already. But I have no doubt Horse is a Pakistani pretending to be something else. In the last few days since the Abbottabad raid the comments sections in the Western media are rife with Pak perfidy and projecting India as the good guys. The Paks have now gone into damage control with make-believe All-American types knocking India on various comments sections, wherever Pak double-crossing is being discussed. Just saw a couple of Horse types in the WaPo. Horse’s MO is to load up the old blunderbuss with a charge of horse-s*** and blast away, hoping some of it sticks. BTW he keeps harping on India’s president Abul Kalam, knowing JW readers’ deep suspicion of Muslims. The gent in question is scarcely a practicing Muslim, more of a Hindu really. (This was voiced as a complaint by some fundamentalist Muslims at one time: “What Muslim president? India hasn’t done us any favor. He’s more of a Hindu”).

  20. says

    Horse, the expression is “baldfaced liar” not “boldfaced liar.”

    In the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic) we learn how in Khaybar Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure, then beheaded the man, and how that night Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of “marriage” the tortured man’s widow, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed:

    Kinana b. al-Rabi’, who had the custody of the treasure of the B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says “was brought”) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle [Muhammad] said to Kinana, ‘Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?’ he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle [Muhammad] gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-‘Awwam, ‘Torture him until you extract what he has,’ so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head in revenge for his brother Mahmud. [– page 515 (763-764 in the Arabic)]

    The apostle took captives…among whom was Safiya d. Huyayy b. Akhtab who had been the wife of Kinana b. al-Rabi’ b. Abu’l-Huqayq, and two cousins of hers. The apostle chose Safiya for himself. [– page 511 (758 in the Arabic)]

    When the apostle married Safiya in Khaybar or on the way, she having been beautified and combed, and got in a fit state for the apostle by Umm Sulaym d. Milhan mother of Anas b. Malik, the apostle passed the night with her in a tent of his. Abu Ayyub, Khalid b. Zayd brother of B. al-Najjar passed the night girt with his sword, guarding the apostle and going round the tent until in the morning the apostle saw him and asked him what he meant by his action. He replied, “I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people, and till recently she was in unbelief, so I was afraid for you on her account.’ They allege that the apostle said “O God, preserve Abu Ayyub as he spent the night preserving me.’
    [– page 516-517 (766 in the Arabic)]

  21. says

    China has been mentioned a bit lately, in particular Chinese Muslims.
    I in such cases always happen to think of Ziauddin Sardar’s Desperately Seeking Paradise, a book of Arab and Muslim supremacism and tall tales often approaching racism. But mostly I remember the Chinese Muslims being upright, tall and open people …inferring that the ordinary Chinese are small, bent creatures of no importance or pride.

  22. says

    when*pigs*fly | May 5, 2011 3:01 PM | Reply
    The loss of Pakistan would not be a loss to the world, in fact it might be a huge improvement.

    I say take their nukes away, take the money away and let them revert to the stone age. Shouldn’t take more than a month.
    ———————————————————
    Wrong presumption ! Even if Pakistan doesn’t get a single penny from the entire western world then also it can survive on the billions of “petro-dollars” that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait , Qatar and U.A.E. have been giving Pakistan in return for Pakistan’s true “Islamic” work of making itself a “Wahabi” fundamentalist Islamic nation ! The bilions of dollars “anti-terrorism aid” that USA has provided Pakistan in last 10 years is pittance compared to the trillions of dollars that the above mentioned Middle eastern countries have given as a dole to Pakistan for the last 30 years ! However , the billions coming out of USA has weakened the US economy thereby helping the Muslim world in its anti-American crusade !

  23. says

    I rarely get this nasty but f**k Pakistan. Like the Taliban they harbored bin Ladin, and continue to harbor his minions. Pakistan is a state sponsor of Islamic fundamentalist terror (especially against India) and it’s time to part ways.

  24. says

    We should react to Pakistan’s obvious complicity in harbouring OBL all these years. We need to restrict the number of Dunkin Donut dealerships we allow Pakistani’s to operate. If that is not enough move onto 7-11s. That will definitely send a message.

  25. says

    @ horse – If you are so interested in all the bad things India has done, and want to continue to insist that Pakistan as a political entity is the problem not Islam, and also want to post extremely lengthy posts about your opinions, well then, ….why not start your own blog instead of spamming this sites comments section with your outdated ‘news’ reports?

    So far, I have not read any comments from you that have furthered the discussion.

  26. says

    As far as Pakistan is concerned, the US government should cut of all aid and trade with them, demand that they surrender Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mullah Muhammad Omar, demand that they surrender all of their nuclear weapons and destroy all of their facilities for making them, and then have the CIA/Pentagon burn the ISI down to the f*cking ground.
    If they refuse, Obama should convene a joint session of Congress to declare war on them. Total War, not hearts and minds bullshit. Fire-bomb their cities like we did to Dresden. That should get the attention of the rest of the Islamo-scum in countries like Iran.

  27. says

    Please, please Mr. Spencer. Get rid of Horse.

    As Will Doohan states above, he’s cramming our site full of lengthy nonsense.

    One more thing that I’m sure you will find distressing, but that will further the argument in favor of banning a self-admitted racist: I did a little test. Any threads that had an abnormally high number of comments, I postulated, were sure to contain many, lengthy, incoherent ramblings by Horse. I was correct.

    Trouble is, I now try to avoid READING THOSE ARTICLES AT ALL! It goes without saying that I NEVER comment without reading and re-reading each article about which I would like to comment.Therefore, no ready, no commenty.
    Is this what you intend your supporters to do here at JW? I think not. Follow your own admirable precepts, and take steps to keep our community together. Don’t tear us apart by a sort of “default” in your efforts to show our respect for Free Speech.

  28. says

    Don’t forget that Pakistan committed genocide in India in 1971 (birth of Bangladesh), The US supplied the weapons to the muslim Paki army. Nixon minimized the mass rapes and genocide becauseIndira Gandhi at that time was pro-Soviet.

    The US is now experiencing what India has experienced – the lies and arrogance of Pakistan. Karma is a bitch. We should all learn from the past and forget our political differences b/c ultimately Islam will subjugate and kill us all – atheist, hindu, christian, jew, native, etc.. As a Hindu born female, I rejected Hindusim b/c of the caste system and oppression against women – I have many white, Christian born friends who rejected Christianity b/c they felt oppressed as women. Unlike my friends, I do not consider islam like any other religion b/c as a Canadian born in India, I know the history of jihad in India.

    It is Islam that threatens the stability of the world. It is Islam that is the most barbaric. It is Islam that is the most sexist b/c its prophet was a rapist and killer. It doesn’t matter if 95% of muslims are good, peaceful people. It is the 5% that truly understand and emulate their prophet that makes muslim immigration a problem. That is the reason why anyone who criticizes Muhammed has to be killed. Muslims know, deep down inside that once people know the true nature of Muhammed, Islam will die, like a cockaroach skurrying away from the light of inquiry.

    Americans are now getting a taste of what hindus in india have had to put up with from muslim pakistan for decades. LEARN FROM INDIA. God bless Stephen Harper, conservative p.m. and friend of india and israel. Good riddance to Obama and Osama.

  29. says

    >> Maybe Ajack should stop talking jack crap before he opens his mouth, if he actually knew politics in Taiwan, he would also know that…

    Control your language – last warning on this….

    >> Bai publicly said India was a Soviet puppet

    First of all, this dude Bai is a Musalman – what does he know about who’s a puppet – much like you, this mongrel Bai probably grease up and bend over for a few bucks…

    Moreover, we don’t like the Chinese Muslims – they’re so ethnocentric…apart from being part of the Chinese community, that have consistently demonstrated themselves to be complete genocidal maniacs…

    From http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
    “Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000″

    These many people could not have been killed without support from the Chinese people – Taiwanese or not – they’re the same kind.

    These Chinese kind actually appreciate how to eat people – how low can a society get.

    http://www.chinasucks.org/cannibalism.htm
    [In his book Shokujin Enseki – Massatsu sareta Chugoku Gendaishi (Cannibal Banquet – Modern Chinese History Erased) (Tokyo: Kodansha Kappa Books, 1993), Cheng I describes in detail how, as a young Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution in south China, he witnessed hundreds of children, women and men classified as Counter-revolutionaries killed and eaten by the perpetrators, with such comments as “human meat tastes better when broiled than boiled.”]

  30. says

    From the following:
    [
    Aborted Babies Sold as Health Food for $10

    (The following is the text of an article which originally appeared in the Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 1995. For more information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong Kong, telephone 011-852-27071111, or fax 011-852-27071122.) ]

    we find such delectable Chinese practices as:
    […some doctors in Shenzhen hospitals were eating dead foetuses after carrying out abortions. The doctors allegedly defended their actions by saying the embryos were good for their skin and general health.

    A trend was set and soon reports circulated that doctors in the city were promoting foetuses as a human tonic. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting each other to take the treasured human remains home. Last month, reporters from EastWeek – a sister publication of Eastern Express – went to Shenzhen to see if the rumours could be substantiated. On March 7, a reporter entered the state-run Shenzhen Heath Centre for Women and Children feigning illness and asked a female doctor for a foetus. The doctor said the department was out of stock but to come again.

    The next day the reporter returned at lunch time. The doctor eventually emerged from the operating theatre holding a fist size glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized foetuses.]

    Now, we know, what Horse finds at his/her/its dinner table…damn the Chinese are dirty examples of human kind.

  31. says

    I find it very amusing that Horse considers words like “dumbass” and “idiot”, to be …

    P-R-O-F-A-N-I-T-Y!

    I mean give us all a break, lol …not to mention just how hypocritical Horse is being, since he resorts to childish name calling – or PROFANITY, as he puts it – in each of his own comments.

    Do you own a mirror, Horse?

  32. says

    More about Bai Chingxi, the mongrel that Horse keeps talking about – apparently he ran Guangxi province – of course, Gunagxi is also famous for Cannibalism. Little more data on the kind of menu that Bai Chongxi, the mongrel general probably had…

    More evidence of Chinese cannibalism:

    [On March 22, 2003, police in Bingyan, Guangxi Province seized 28 female babies smuggled in a truck from Yulin, Guangxi Province going to Houzhou in Anhui Province. The oldest baby was only three months old. The babies were packed three or four to a bag and many of them were near death.

    On the morning of October 9, 2004, a person rifling through the garbage on the outskirts of Jiuquan city in the Suzhou region, found dismembered babies in a dumpster. There were two heads, two torsos, four arms, and six legs. According to the investigation, these corpses were no more than a week old and they had been dismembered after cooking]

    Unfortunately, for Horse, Chinese habit of cannibalism has been documented for ages – and news reports from various sources exist.

  33. says

    and ajack, if you want to talk about disgusting practices and mental degeneration, how about the worhsip of rats in india and untoucahbles eating rats to survive

    lower caste indians survive on rats

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=69d_1235691625

    rats worshipped as gods by indians, allowed to poop all over the priests food before they eat it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgMEeNOZ-E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dteGEA-3GCw

    INDIAN MAN MARRIES A DOG

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyAkh4YuVGA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojIzkNa5tMM

    “Temple Prostitution in India-A Shocking Video.wmv ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffUpjIGqlg8

  34. says

    The problem with the Hui, Taiwanese and in general the broader Chinese community is that they endorse and enjoy most other communities consider aberrations:

    Consider the eating of rat meat – in most other countries, this is an aberration – but not in China:

    [GUANGZHOU – Many restaurants that feature rat meat dishes are enjoying brisk business in Zhongcun town of Panyu district in this Guangdong provincial capital, though medical experts warn of hidden safety risks.

    The rat dishes are so popular that diners sometimes have to book in advance for a meal in some restaurants during peak hours.

    A staff member from the Jijiao street restaurant said rat dishes have been a major attraction at his restaurant for decades.”The restaurant can now sell more than 40 kilograms of rat meat dishes a day,” said the employee, who wished to remain anonymous.

    Rat meat can be roasted, braised in soy sauce, stewed or cooked in soup, he said.]

    Eating humans is considered an aberration in most parts of the world, but not in China – here it is considered health food and a delicacy – with such judgement shown by the community – obviously, the rest of the world considers them filthy:

    [When a female doctor named Yang – no relation – of Sin Hua clinic was asked whether foetuses were edible, she said emphatically: “Of course they are. They are even better than placentas.

    “They can make your skin smoother, your body stronger and are good for kidneys. When I was in an army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought foetuses home. They were pink, like little mice, with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup (with the foetuses added). I know they are human beings, and (eating them) feels disgusting. But at that time, it was already very popular.”]

    Eating humans and rats is actually popular amongst the Chinese – no wonder, the worst genocides are perpetrated by them.

  35. says

    “Ajack, how does cow urine taste? Have you joined the hijra and become a transsexual yet?” — Horse

    Horse continues to make crass comments like this one, and yet takes such umbrage over remarks made to him. He keeps posting, and reposting, comments written to him – some dating as far back as January – and yet he fails to take his own inventory.

    It seems that he wants special privileges to abuse everyone here …hey imagine that, a muslim feeling entitled to dish it out, but he just can’t take it. Big surprise, eh? …and a big boo-hoo, too.

  36. says

    >> I actually provide links to legitimate news sites
    >> no Video evidence, the imfamous “picture” of that artist >> eating the fetus

    Whine, whine, whine….

    Cannibalism and rat eating are an integral part of Chinese life and habits – much like terrorism. rape and killing infidels is an integral part of Muslim society (including literature). The documentation is extensive:

    For more news on disgusting cannibalism and rat eating in China, refer to sites & sources such as:
    -http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-05/06/content_9814158.htm

    -“Scarlet Memorial: Tales of Cannibalism in Modern China is an extraordinary book. An abbreviated translation of Zheng Yi’s Hongse jinianbei by a group of writers using the joint pseudonym of T.P. Sym, the book is in a sense very much the epitome of its author, who is both novelist and journalist, for it combines examples of investigative journalism at its best with the intense subjectivity of an autobiography. In its less than two hundred pages (condensed from the Chinese original of nearly seven hundred pages), Scarlet Memorial gives a graphic and highly personalized account of incidents of cannibalism in five counties of Guangxi Province”

    -(The following is the text of an article which originally appeared in the Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 1995. For more information, contact Bruce Gilley at The Eastern Express in Hong Kong, telephone 011-852-27071111, or fax 011-852-27071122.) ]

    -Shokujin Enseki – Massatsu sareta Chugoku Gendaishi (Cannibal Banquet – Modern Chinese History Erased) (Tokyo: Kodansha Kappa Books, 1993)

    -Ming dynasty (1368-1644) novel Water Margin, also known as All Men Are Created Equal, describing a group of villains who sell human meat as beef, as well as other characters who eat human flesh.

    But, then again only the Chinese or a Muslim will try to pass off cannibalism as art.

  37. says

    Some Indian officials made comments that they had the capability to carry off similar attacks and Pakistan threatened disaster to them too. After the Mumbai attacks it would seem to me that Pakistan should be groveling to India as well.

  38. says

    “character flaw”

    First of all, ajack used the word “gook” before I said anything about him and the hijra, and I did not use any profanity unlike deebartok, who says “asshole” dumbass” and “shit”

    look at my comment two commments above this one

    AJack says- “Maybe the Nagas should stop forcible conversions and the less said about the Chinese the better.

    “However, politics and tribal divisions have complicated the church’s growth and mission. After India achieved independence in 1947, Naga separatists (many of them Christians) fought fiercely for independence from India. India’s government expelled all foreign missionaries from Nagaland, suspecting them of fueling the Nagas’ desire for independence. Finally, after years of violence, India permitted Nagaland to become a “self-governing” state inside India. But entry into and exit from Nagaland is monitored closely, even today, since Christian rebels still advocate complete independence (their slogan: “Nagalim for Christ“). ”

    the link from where this paragraph came is right below, a CHRISTIAN website

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/february/38.51.html

    http://www.historymakers.info/missions/nagaland.html

    Christian nagas seek support from American Christian for their movement against India

    “they’ve consecrated their nation as “Nagalim for Christ.’

    “It’s just so unbelievable what is occurring there. What nation has a flag that’s been consecrated to Christ? America was founded on Christian principles, but I’m not sure if our flag is consecrated to Christ, but there has a call to seek and save the lost.”

    She went on to say, “The Nagas are the largest pocket of Christians in the area.””

    http://www.nagalim.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28&Itemid=5

    ______________________________________________________________

    Christians in india subject to Violent attacks from indians

    “Thousands of people participated in a recent peaceful protest rally in Dimapur, Nagaland in solidarity with the persecuted Christians across India who are being targeted by the VHP, Bajrang Dal, and the Sangh Parivar organizations.

    All private schools and colleges around Dimapur also closed down to show their solidarity with those being persecuted and to condemn the atrocities committed towards the Christian minority in India.

    In his report, obtained by ANS, Shikhu said protesters carried placards such as “Shame India Shame,” “We Want Secular India,” “Love Your Brothers Not Hate,” and “Stop Killing Christians in Orrisa.”

    http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2008/s08100092.htm

    ______________________________________________________________

    Yet i found two hateful Indian websites calling Nagas “christian terrorists”, like AJack, the indians claim nagas attack and forcible “convert” people.

    http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1136510315&type=news

    http://hinduworld.tripod.com/views/nscn.html

  39. says

    Horse >> “ajack used the word “gook” before I said anything about him”

    Foetus slurping is bad enough – do you have to be so patently dishonest. Or are you just being Muslim/Chinese about this?

  40. says

    Genocide and the Chinese – sure Bai Chongxi would approve…

    Michael Danby tells us
    [Since 2003 an estimated 400,000 people have died as a result of the campaign of ethnic cleansing being waged against the people of the Darfur region of Sudan by the military regime of General Omar al-Bashir. As many as 2.5 million people have been made into refugees. The so-called Janjaweed militia, armed and trained by the Sudanese army, has waged a campaign of murder, torture, rape and plunder across the Darfur region, often openly assisted the army and air force]

    So Darfur is really a genocide in progress – but, who is the primary enabler:

    [Sudan’s main ally, however, has been China, which has consistently blocked efforts at the UN to have Sudan’s actions classed as genocide, to have effective sanctions put in place, or to have a peacekeeping force with the power to protect the people of Darfur put into Sudan. …

    Today any country which is in trouble at the UN over abuses of human rights can always rely on a Chinese veto in the Security Council….

    …China is Sudan’s largest supplier of arms. China is thus a knowing and willing accomplice in the Bashir regime’s genocide in Darfur.]

  41. says

    Most of the killing is done by small weapons and China supplies 90% of these small weapons. Most of us understand, that when genocide is concerned, China “usually” leads the way – Darfur is no exception:

    Once again – from Human Rights First Report…

    [The report says China stepped up its arms supply to Sudan as others cut back to comply with a U.N. arms embargo, making China by far the biggest supplier of small arms to Khartoum ” providing 90% of all Khartoum’s acquisitions between 2004 and 2006, totaling $55 million. Small arms such as assault rifles are the most common weapon used in Darfur.]

    As a result, we have a China only resolution about Darfur:

    [China Resolution: Senate Resolution 203

    Senate Resolution 203 was introduced on May 16, 2007 by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ). The bill had 27 co-sponsors.

    The bill calls on the Government of the People’s Republic of China to use its unique influence and economic leverage to stop genocide and violence in Darfur, Sudan. The bill was passed by the Senate by unanimous consent on July 30, 2007.]

  42. says

    >> “”Human Rights First” is an American based institute. It has agendas”

    Yep – everybody Horse disagrees with seems to have “agendas” – he doesn’t much like the japanese author since he has evidence on habitual Chinese cannibalism; he has a problem with the Americans since they criticize Chinese connections to Darfur
    ….

    But, surprise-surprise, Pakistani reports on India are acceptable and also doggie-boy Chongxi’s farts about India seem acceptable. Nice try.

    In any case, here’re people protesting Chinese connections to the Darfur massacres:

    Linking the Darfur genocide to China:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwB8qQB1lc

    Panorama’s investigations in Darfur – China’s connection to Darfur…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s98TU-mTRT4

    Break up China and manage the Muslims – the world will be a better place.

  43. says

    On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered.

    Abu jahl said to them: “Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell.” The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: “I do say that.”

  44. says

    Horse >> “It makes me wonder what your IQ is if you think an ARAB newspaper like asharq al aswat is a “pakistani report”

    Of course, knowing Horse’s inherent dishonesty we’ll probably need to quote him…. (May 5, 2:34 pm post)

    [A Pakistani writer writes on the arrogance of Indian muslims and their attitude here-

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=§ion=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2009/March/opinion_March3.xml

    “Why have Indian Muslims, most whom seem well-educated and demonstrate sound judgment on all other matters under the sun, suddenly lose sight of their bearings (and manners) when it comes to attacking all things Pakistani, be it the country’s politics, culture, food or fashion. Why are they hell-bent on defying common sense when it comes to writing off a whole country as being a terrorist hub?] – Horse

    Poor Horse – caught out again.

  45. says

    >> “its okay for Traeh to post …. but when I respond to another commenter Hermes…, suddenly I’m “changing the subject” and “offtopic”

    Quit whining, Horse.

    If you wanna go “Look Maah – they’re picking on me” – then first try to be a decent human being and stop being such a Muslim.

  46. says

    On page 547 (814 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad permits a threat of beheading to force a conversion to Islam:

    [Muhammad] said: “Woe to you Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you recognize that I am God’s apostle?” [Sufyan] answered, “As to that I still have some doubt.” [Ibn Abbas] said to [Sufyan], “Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head,” so [Sufyan] did so.

  47. says

    How the world has changed in a matter of decades! The mouse (Pakistan) can now threaten the Elephant (US)! I suspect this has something to do with Progressives, Cultural Marxism, the Left, the Propaganda Stream Media, the UN, Multiculturalism, Political Correctness, Islamist Supremacy, and so on and so forth.

  48. says

    Horse – but lets us look at what Amazon.com says about “scarlet memorial”:

    From http://www.amazon.com/Scarlet-Memorial-Tales-Cannibalism-Modern/dp/0813326168 – did the Chinese do all this or did some aliens do this…

    [Product Description

    This compelling book provides a meticulously documented account of officially sanctioned cannibalism in the southwestern province of Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution.

    Drawing on his unique access to local archives of the Chinese Communist Party and on extensive interviews with party officials, the victims’ relatives, and the murderers themselves, Zheng Yi paints a disturbing picture of official compliance in the systematic killing and cannibalization of individuals in the name of political revolution and “class struggle.

    “The treasure-trove of evidence Zheng Yi has unearthed offers unprecedented insights into the way the internecine, factional struggles of the Cultural Revolution reached a horrifying level of insanity and frenzy among the ethnic Zhuang people of Guangxi.

    Profoundly moving, acutely observed, and unflinchingly graphic, Scarlet Memorial is a shining example of a genre of investigative reporting that courageously and independently records obscure and officially censored historical events, revealing hidden dimensions of modern Chinese history and politics. ]

  49. says

    From the essay “Communism and Islam” in International Affairs, Vol. 30, No. 1 (Jan., 1954), pp. 1-12, here is Bernard Lewis on Islam’s inherent authoritarianism:

    I turn now from the accidental to the essential factors, to those deriving from the very nature of Islamic society, tradition, and thought. The first of these is the authoritarianism, perhaps we may even say the totalitarianism, of the Islamic political tradition…Many attempts have been made to show that Islam and democracy are identical — attempts usually based on a misunderstanding of Islam or democracy or both…In point of fact, except for the early caliphate, when the anarchic individualism of tribal Arabia was still effective, the political history of Islam is one of almost unrelieved autocracy…[I]t was authoritarian, often arbitrary, sometimes tyrannical. There are no parliaments or representative assemblies of any kind, no councils or communes, no chambers of nobility or estates, no municipalities in the history of Islam; nothing but the sovereign power, to which the subject owed complete and unwavering obedience as a religious duty imposed by the Holy Law. In the great days of classical Islam this duty was only owed to the lawfully appointed caliph, as God’s vicegerent on earth and head of the theocratic community, and then only for as long as he upheld the law; but with the decline of the caliphate and the growth of military dictatorship, Muslim jurists and theologians accommodated their teachings to the changed situation and extended the religious duty of obedience to any effective authority, however impious, however barbarous. For the last thousand years, the political thinking of Islam has been dominated by such maxims as “tyranny is better than anarchy” and “whose power is established, obedience to him is incumbent.”
    …Quite obviously, the Ulama of Islam are very different from the Communist Party. Nevertheless, on closer examination, we find certain uncomfortable resemblances. Both groups profess a totalitarian doctrine, with complete and final answers to all questions on heaven and earth; the answers are different in every respect, alike only in their finality and completeness, and in the contrast they offer with the eternal questioning of Western man. Both groups offer to their members and followers the agreeable sensation of belonging to a community of believers, who are always right, as against an outer world of unbelievers, who are always wrong. Both offer an exhilarating feeling of mission, of purpose, of being engaged in a collective adventure to accelerate the historically inevitable victory of the true faith over the infidel evil-doers. The traditional Islamic division of the world into the House of Islam and the House of War, two necessarily opposed groups, of which- the first has the collective obligation of perpetual struggle against the second, also has obvious parallels in the Communist view of world affairs. There again, the content of belief is utterly different, but the aggressive fanaticism of the believer is the same. The humorist who summed up the Communist creed as “There is no God and Karl Marx is his Prophet!” was laying his finger on a real affinity. The call to a Communist Jihad, a Holy War for the faith — a new faith, but against the self-same Western Christian enemy — might well strike a responsive note.

  50. says

    [AJack again quotes Japanese publisher and author with no credentials from western academics]

    Horse – on one hand, you don’t like the American Human Rights First Report, since you think they may have “agendas”, since they’re American.

    On the other hand, you don’t like the Japanese author, since the author has no credentials from western academics.

    But, Human Rights First does have western academics in their group. Double standards much?

    Oh yeah – “crap” directed at someone is profanity – try to be more honest – even if it is difficult for you Muslims to do so.

  51. says

    Qur’an 9:29 does not say “fight in self-defense.” It says “fight those who do not believe” in Islam.

    Quran 9:29:

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger [Muhammad] have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth [Islam], out of those who have been given the Book [the Bible, given to Christian and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [this “subjection” is a source of Islamic law’s institution of dhimmitude, i.e., third-class legal status for non-Muslims].

  52. says

    Sorbonne scholar finds Islam’s core texts the most aggressive against other groups

    Tina Magaard is a linguist who got her Ph.D. in Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne, and did a three-year study of the original texts of the world’s ten largest religions. One of her findings was that Islam’s core texts are the most aggressive against other groups.

  53. says

    Horse >> “the SIPRI report is Swedish, its unbiased, and says russia sold more weapons to sudan”

    So, when you say I offered “no proof at all”, you really mean:

    – You don’t LIKE the report and proof of Human rights first, since it is American

    – You don’t LIKE the Panorama video, since it shows Chinese arms being used

    – You don’t LIKE the fact that most of small arms for Sudan came from China, since these arms do most of the killing

    – You would like to redirect our focus from the genocidal Chinese, to the Russians

    Most non-muslims would have put this as “we did not like the proof” or perhaps “we do not like the facts” – but you, in your typical Muslim way, declared that I’d offered “no proof at all” – which of course is a complete lie.

  54. says

    From page 464 (690 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad presides over the beheading of 600 to 900 Jews:

    Then [the Banu Qurayza tribe] surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, ‘Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!’ This went on until the apostle made an end of them.

  55. says

    Our ONLY foreign aid should be the Army Corps of Engineers, heavily guarded with troops, building and rebuilding infrastructures for the common people. But, this should ONLY be done in countries which uphold individual rights and equality of women. Let the rest take care of themselves, or as Jesus said let the dead bury their own.

  56. says

    …”not only that, Traeh put words into my mouth” — Horse

    Wow, Traeh, you have a hidden talent – you’ll have to show us how you performed that magical trick, lol …

    Traeh does not lie, Horse. And if you’re so convinced that he does, then may I suggest writing Robert Spencer directly with your complaint – although by doing so, you will only provide Robert with sufficient evidence proving that YOU are in fact the liar, not Traeh.

    Please, by all means, write Robert …or are you afraid to?

  57. says

    To highly verbose Horse, who strays Off Topic most times, as in all of the above:

    Trying to argue with a Muslim, especially a Muslim-Troll, is like modus tollens, it can’t be done. ‘Proof of negative impossibility’ rules the Muslim mind, an insistent world of superstitions, conspiracies, mind numbing contradictions, denial and idiocy.
    Off, Horse.

  58. says

    Hello undaunted. You said,
    “We need turn Pakistan into a huge glass parking lot ASAP.” Roger that. Then maybe you and I could organize roller-blading trekking expeditions.

  59. says

    In fact, this incident (Osama’s killing) was the perfect pretext for the US to declare Pakistan an enemy state, and start bombing selected targets, starting w/, but not limited to, their nuke facilities in Balochistan!!!

    Needless to say, while that may have been expected from a Truman or Eisenhower, it’s not to be expected from a Bush or Obama.

  60. says

    He says “The Pakistan security forces are neither incompetent nor negligent about their sacred duty to protect Pakistan,” which is true, they care not one jot for the rest of the world outside their borders.

    It is quite clear from the nature of these threats, that the allegations of collusion within the Pakistani authorities go higher than any alluded to by any politicians so far.

    We should most definitely stop aid to Pakistan, and redirect our help to India who would be next in line to suffer from the predations of the jihadists

  61. says

    RE:”What IS it with these podunk countries?”
    *********************************************
    Thanks to the unrestricted flow of our tax dollars, the ‘podunk’ country of Pakistan has become the epicenter of worldwide terrorism: we have created and nurtured this Islamic monster. In trying to put out brush fires in Pakistan, we are actually chasing our own tail, and mind you, it’s a tail that wags the dog!

  62. says

    RE:”We should most definitely stop aid to Pakistan, and redirect our help to India who would be next in line to suffer from the predations of the jihadists.”
    **************************************************************
    A cursory reading of recent history reveals that India has already suffered, and is suffering, thanks to the Uninted States’ unwavering support of the terrorist state of Pakistan, for the last six decades.

    Pakistan operates at least three dozen terrorist camps in ‘Pakistan Occupied Kashmir,’ and the U.S. has blithely allowed the Pakis to receive huge amounts of military and economic aid despite the fact that the CIA is fully aware of the presence of these camps.

    If we are smart (and this assumption is tenuous at best), we would conduct soon, a joint campaign with India to secure the entire nuclear stockpile of Pakistan. But this is unlikely to happen, because, first of all, India is the ‘Dhimmiest’ nation in the free world (followed closely by U. K. and the U.S.). So, we should probably go it alone, and teach the Pakis an unforgettable lesson.

  63. says

    “We have appealed to everyone to hold peaceful demonstrations on Friday on a very large scale. Our first demand is Pakistan … should withdraw from the war on terror.” Telegraph

    They can’t “withdraw from the war on terror” if they become its “main target”. Your choice, Pakistan, which will you have? Lots of US jizya dollars (soon to be cut off), or our missiles raining from above?… Watch what you pray for in your Friday “prayers” to ‘Allah’.

  64. says

    You wrote: “In the last 48 hours, McCain, Kerry, Lugar, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Boehner, and other assorted sissies in Washington have called for continued economic and military aid to the terrorist state of Pakistan.”
    I suppose among those in Washigton there must be also people who have opposed to this motion. It would be useful to know their names.

  65. says

    I am dazzled by the brilliance of your novel idea: un-cage the friggin’ hyenas, and let them tear each other to death.

    But the biggest caveat would be to starve the hyenas; i.e. not a dime in aid from the western countries.

    Of course, every few weeks we should have our stealth bombers make round trips from their U.S. bases to the Af-Pak region, to smoke out selected Jihadi nests and also, the “cash crop” poppy fields.

    That’s a hundred billion dollars in yearly savings right there, Mr. Boehner!

    But I don’t think the boneheads like Boehner (who is for Pak aid) will buy this plan. When it comes to Pak aid, Bonehead Boehner and Hijab Hillary are strange bedfellows.

  66. says

    “Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are ungovernable states.” They have both historically been areas that have been very hard to govern, even by native rulers due to the combination of hostile terrain, tribal fracturing, and islamic bloodthirstiness. The British empire had a firm enough grip on Pakistan, but failed at controlling Afghanistan. Then the Russians got pasted, although the US helped the natives quite considerably. Then we see the fruits of their independance a few years later.
    We should just quarantine the area and let them stew in their own islamic “paradise”

  67. says

    eliasx are you sure you want to ally with a state that is conducting gendercide against females and also has alot of rape occuring?

    I see India as a cruel, aggresive, and greedy country, in the 1970s, it forcibly annexed the peaceful buddhist Kingdom of Sikkim after flooding it with nepalese immigrants.

    The traditional Sikkimese monarchy, which is tibetan buddhist, was ruled by Palden Thondup Namgyal. However, due to massive amounts of nepalese illegals flooding into Sikkim, the nepalese outvoted the natives in a referendum, annexing it to India.

    “In 1975, just three years after Jigme Singye Wangchuck took the throne at age 16, a rising tide of Nepali immigrants voted independent Sikkim out of existence, annexing it to India.”

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/bhutan/larmer-text/8

    ______________________________________________________________
    Do you guys rememember how India got Goa from Portugal? By miilitary force, launching a massive operation against Goa. The Soviet Union congragulated the Indians for their “anti imperialist” move against the west.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Indian_annexation_of_Goa

    I don’t remember China ever launching an invasion of Macao to seize it back from the portugal. the transfer was peacefully held in december 1999, with no military force on china’s part

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_sovereignty_over_Macau
    ____________________________________________________________
    Massive convulated sex ratio in India resulting from abortion of female babies, and rape culture

    “Rapes of Women Show Clash of Old and New India”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/world/asia/27india.html

    “No place for girls in ‘shining India'”

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20110413-273361.html

    “The decline of India’s girls”

    “Economic growth hasn’t brought gender justice, as sex-selective abortion means more boys than girls are born every year”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/10/missing-girls-dark-side-india-abortion

    “India’s gender imbalance “worst in recorded history'”

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/indias-gender-imbalance-worst-in-recorded-history/

    “An urgent need to preserve and value baby girls in India”

    http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/industry-insights/economics/an-urgent-need-to-preserve-and-value-baby-girls-in-india

    “India Gendercide: A Great Threat To Security – Analysis”

    “THE result of 2011 census of India is almost all heartening. Literacy is up; life expectancy is up; family size is stabilizing. But there is one grim exception- India’s already skewed infant sex ratio is getting worse. India counted only 914 girls aged six and under for every 1,000 boys or 75.8m girls and 82.9m boys. This sex ratio is the worst in the recorded history of the modern Indian.”

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/india-gendercide-a-great-threat-to-security-analysis-14042011/

    “The Devastating Impact of Sex-Selection Abortion in India”

    http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/the-devastating-impact-of-sex-selection-abortion-in-india/

    “War Against Women Starts With Killing Baby Girls in China, India, and”

    http://unaskedadvice.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/war-against-women-starts-with-killing-baby-girls-in-china-india-and/

  68. says

    I wish there were more in the congress and senate who were vociferously against Pak Aid, like congressman Allen West who has come out swinging; most other lawmakers merely uttered the usual platitudes, and, indeed, there was no fire in their bellies.

  69. says

    RE:”The British empire had a firm enough grip on Pakistan…”
    **************************************************************
    There was no Pakistan when the the British reigned over India; the friggin’ British created Pakistan to appease Muslims. So, we know whom to thank, for the very existence of these cheeky Paki bastards, who have the gall to fume at their American benefactors for killing Osama in his Abbottabad digs.

  70. says

    Straighten out, sunshine – the Brits got out of India under intense pressure from the American-supported press. If Henry Luce’s little children hadn’t pumped up Jap-lover Mr Gandhi (check out the peacenik’s comments on India’s position vis-a-vis Japan, circa 1943/4), we’d have waited for the pigmunching, Scotchswilling, non-praying Infidel prat Jinnah to die of the cancer we all knew he had. But war-debt (to you) had us by the balls, you Yanks were still fighting a war won and lost a hundred years before (against the ‘British Empire’), and you were calling the shots. And take a look at all the other countries you forced us out of, post-Suez – all the places that you insisted should find ‘independent development’ all over North and West Africa. Hotbeds of terrorism, nests of Islamic poison – if you push aside one Christian empire, you’d best replace it with another. You didn’t, so don’t blame the Brits for the consequences of your juvenile, naive, cretinous foreign policy for the last 50 years.

    I agree with most of what is said here on The Watch, but you Seppo’s have to learn to clear your bubbles under combat conditions – our empire lasted 300 years before you and your French buddies spoiled the party. You’ve already lost more wars in 20 years than we lost in centuries.

    Now then! There’s Brit’s fighting and dying for you, still, for no or little thanks, while Obama sucks up to the French again. Back off, Bro.

  71. says

    Hermes-

    “A cursory reading of recent history reveals that India has already suffered, and is suffering, thanks to the Uninted States’ unwavering support of the terrorist state of Pakistan, for the last six decades. ”
    ______________________________________________________________

    A cursory reading of cold war history reveals that India allied itself to the Soviet Union and brought whatever havoc that got wreacked upon it by itself.

  72. says

    India was a Soviet bloc client state, and an ally of the satanic Gulf Arab regimes in Qatar, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia, and of the Junta in Burma.

    Pakistan should kick Indias butt until it hemmorages out all the gulf arab, Soviet, and Khomeini’s seed its been holding for the past 60 years.

    Pakistan never decalred a mourning period of 3 days for Khomeini’s death, India did.

    Pakistan never offered to sell weapons to gulf arab states or sign defence alliances with them, India did, with Qatar, and sold weapons to numerous gulf states.

    Pakistan was not in the Soviet bloc, India was a client of the Soviet Union.

    Khomeini did not sign his signature as “Pakistani”, but he signed it as “Hindi” (indian)

    Pakistan was allied to the Shah’s regime in Iran, India was allied to Khomeini’s.

    India backed up the Soviet puppet communist regime of Mohammad Najibullah in Afghanistan, and fully supported the Soviet international position.

  73. says

    India has strong ties to the tyranical gulf Arab regimes, the United Arab Emirates backed up India during its 1962 war against China (India lost the war big time)
    ________________________________________________________
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4633263.stm

    “At the time, the US saw India as too close to the then Soviet Union.

    India supported an independent Bangladesh and ties with the US plummeted in August 1971 when Delhi signed a treaty with the Soviet Union that included mutual military assistance in case of war.

    President Nixon, on the other hand, had developed a “special relationship” with Pakistan’s then military dictator, General Yahya Khan.

    President Nixon then openly courted China to try to turn the tide of the war Pakistan’s way.

    With the Indian army and armed Bengali separatists winning, the US on 10 December 1971 urged Beijing to mobilise troops towards India, saying the US would back it if the Soviet Union became involved.

    China declined and on 16 December the war ended with the Indian army and Bengali separatists taking Dhaka. ”
    _______________________________________________________
    Israel, China, Pakistan, and the US sent support to the anti Soviet afghans to overthrow the corrupt Indian and Soviet puppet Najibullah

    Pakistan Got Israeli
    Weapons During Afghan War

    http://www.rense.com/general39/pakh.htm
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    Indians sold missle, chemical and biological weapons material to Iran and Syria-

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/US-suspected-Indian-cos-role-in-Iran-N-plan/articleshow/7124807.cms
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/185214

    India, along with China AND Russia, sold chemical weapons materials to the Islamic Republic of Iran

    http://www.iranwatch.org/wmd/wmd-chemicalessay.htm

    “Foreign assistance has been vital to Iran’s chemical and biological weapon programs. In recent years China and India have been Iran’s primary sources for chemical weapon equipment and precursor chemicals. Companies in Germany, the United States and Israel have also been involved. In addition, Israel recently voiced concern over Russian assistance.”

    http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/iran/iran-chemical-1998.html

    India offered full military protection to the Arab gulf state of Qatar, and has friendly relations with the United arab Emirates, Oman, and Bahrain.

    Indias numerous military dealings with Qatar-

    http://pragmatic.nationalinterest.in/2008/11/13/indias-defence-pact-with-qatar/
    http://www.india-defence.com/reports-3349
    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2857528

    Indian muslims serve in top government ranks, like the former Indian President Abdul Kalam, a devout Muslim. Muslims are conscripted into the Indian national army along with hindus and sikhs.

    Sudanese President Omar al Bashir and other arabs states have taken it their imperative to engage Both China AND India AND pakistan all at the same time with bilateral relations-

    http://www.plaidavenger.com/leaders/profile/omar-al-bashir/

    “From the first day, our policy was clear: To look eastward, toward China, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and even Korea and Japan, even if the Western influence upon some [of these] countries is strong. We believe that the Chinese expansion was natural because it filled the space left by Western governments, the United States, and international funding agencies. The success of the Sudanese experiment in dealing with China without political conditions or pressures encouraged other African countries to look toward China.”

    The Hindu Indian President Patil offered full support to Syria, saying that the Golan heights does NOT belong to Israel and that it is Syrian arab land-

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=196967&R=R1
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/indian-president-backs-syria-s-claim-on-the-golan-heights-1.327233

    India has voiced support for Sudan, and hostility to israel

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/why-is-india-against-israel-but-for-sudan/552790/
    http://www.sudantribune.com/Sudan-India-discuss-energetic,33910

    India expanding ties with Saudis

    http://weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/11/india-and-saudi-arab-to-hold-joint.html

    India condemned saddam hussein hanging-

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2006-12-30/india/27813547_1_restoration-execution-death-sentence

  74. says

    I concur 110% we should definatly have a stronger relationship with India than Pakistan and support their claims for Kashmir. After the situation in afganistan is finally cleared up we should fully support India’s claim to Kashmir diplomatically and militarily, if only to punish Pakistan for it’s decade of (and continuing) deceit.

    They seriously need to be taught a lesson.

  75. says

    LMAO!!! good one Undaunted!

    I guess when India protested the Paki’s getting the bomb they were more than right….our leader’s in Europe and N. America were depending on geography back then?

    Stop the funding. Period.

  76. says

    Horse:

    India aligning itself with the Soviet Union (a historical fact) does not by itself negate (or mitigate) the fact that Pakistan is a terrorist state conducting Jihadi operations worldwide: examples as are follows:

    1. Ramzi Yusef: Came from Pakistan to do WTC attack #1; duplicitous, as most Pakis are, he landed here and claimed refugee status, and the hair-brained immigration officials released him on “personal recognizance” bond. Enter the blind sheikh, a “refugee” from Egypt, and the rest is history

    2. KSM: A Pakistani, hatched the 911 plot in Pakistan, on behalf of his Saudi slavemaster, Osama “dead in his pajama” bin Ladin.

    3. Mumbai attack masterminds were naturalized Candanian (Rana) and American (born Dawood, but calls himself David: classic Taqiyya: Headley) citizens, and according to DOJ evidence, had assistance and direction from the Paki ISI.

    There are hundreds of other examples (Bombay train blast, London blasts, Mumbai train and bus blasts, Pune German bakery blast: all with Pakistani masterminds and Pakistani complicity) to support the statement that Pakistan is a bankrupt terrorist state, which survives and thrives solely due to the misplaced charity of naive and misguided U.S.presidents and lawmakers.

    In a nutshell, your comment about India being a part of the Soviet Block has absolutely no bearing on the issue at hand: Paki terrorism and U.S. patronage of the terrorist state of Pakistan.

  77. says

    Horse;

    You are just taking on these pages a huge “memory dump” about India, and JW readers, I do not believe, give a rat’s ass about what India does or does not do, but the readers damn well care about the well-document Pakistani mischief worldwide-through its Jihadist networks. So you would do well to address that issue head on, instead of dumping on us reams and reams of your “very coherent and scholarly” compilations about your nemesis, India.

  78. says

    Horse:

    I took a second look at your long post (right after I sent you my stinging reply), and realized that you are trying a hackneyed trick, called “throw all kinds of shit against the wall, and see what sticks.”

    So, let me give you my unsolicited, unvarnished, and totally uncouth, appraisal: your strategy is simply not working, ’cause none of that (horse)shit of yours is sticking!

  79. says

    Looks to me like that you are a typical Paki – can’t see beyond your nose and as usual deflecting the focus away from the posting that concerns “Pakistan warns U.S. of “disastrous consequences” for any more bin Laden-style raids”. Tell us what has India to do with it?

    Another point, I read through the articles of the links provide, didn’t see much wrong with any of them.

    Lets see back to the subject – “Pakistan warns U.S. of “disastrous consequences” for any more bin Laden-style raids” …wow…I am sacred…

    You Pakies are seriously pathetic – don’t see that?

  80. says

    India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam.

    Former Indian muslim president Abdul Kalam is the “father of India’s missle program”, and a proponent of India’s nuclear weapons, having worked on the project himself, since he is an engineer.

    Abdul Kalam was India’s president, and very much a Muslim.

    Many muslims worked on India’s nuclear program, like Abdul Kalam, and were in full control of the keys, schematics, everthing- NOTHING HAPPENED. I didn’t see them give the nuclear plans and schematics to saudi arabia or other muslim countries. The Pakistan India conflict is not about islam, Indian muslims are as arrogant as Indian hindus

    http://www.google.fr/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=abdul+kalam+nucleary#sclient=psy&hl=fr&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=abdul+kalam+nuclear&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2e64fb3b9237506b&biw=975&bih=628

    He says he believes nukes are a good thing, and they would make India a “superpower”, in the region. I believe he means it in imperialist terms. I have read this man’s quotes and he sounds like an obnoxious boaster, a bragger. I don’t know why South Koreans think his books are worth reading.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?354077

    http://www.google.fr/#hl=fr&q=abdul+kalam+nuclear+weapons&biw=975&bih=628&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=60ce34089d56e792

    http://www.google.fr/#sclient=psy&hl=fr&source=hp&q=abdul+kalam+nuclear+weapons

    We don’t see people as friends based on their religion. Indian muslims are notoriously ethnocentric.
    ___________________________________________________________
    A Pakistani writer writes on the arrogance of Indian muslims and their attitude here-

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=§ion=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2009/March/opinion_March3.xml

    “Why have Indian Muslims, most whom seem well-educated and demonstrate sound judgment on all other matters under the sun, suddenly lose sight of their bearings (and manners) when it comes to attacking all things Pakistani, be it the country’s politics, culture, food or fashion. Why are they hell-bent on defying common sense when it comes to writing off a whole country as being a terrorist hub?

    What used to be friendly bantering during India versus Pakistan cricket matches is not so friendly any more. What were merely funny punches about Lollywood’s efforts to imitate Bollywood are also beginning to hurt. These may be trivial examples, but the bottom line is, there seem to be serious efforts on the part of the Indian Muslims to hurt and incite Pakistanis into making emotional outbursts. They can then go about saying what an intolerant bunch those Pakistanis are.

    Indian Muslims may rant and rave about what emotional fools Pakistanis are, or how they lack tolerance for other cultures or religions, while Indian Muslims get by quite amicably as a minority of 13.4 per cent (officially) in a country that is predominantly Hindu.”
    ___________________________________________________________

    An Indian muslim wrote an insulting response at this link, dissing the founder of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah, repeating the false rumor that he enjoyed pork.

    http://indianmuslims.in/pakistan-indian-muslims/comment-page-1/

    There are shia and sunni in India, and shia and sunni in pakistan.

    The president of Pakistan is a Shia, Asif Ali Zardari, was is its foreign minister, but he isn’t spilling the beans to Iran on how to build a nuke, since its loyalty to the state, not religion, that matters.

    Indian shias and sunni both serve in indian army together with others, and muslims work in India’s nuke and weapons programs.

    Loyalty to the state takes precedence over common religion.

  81. says

    Hermes says-

    “You are just taking on these pages a huge “memory dump” about India, and JW readers, I do not believe, give a rat’s ass about what India does or does not do, but the readers damn well care about the well-document Pakistani mischief worldwide-through its Jihadist networks. So you would do well to address that issue head on, instead of dumping on us reams and reams of your “very coherent and scholarly” compilations about your nemesis, India.”
    ______________________________________________________________

    wow lets see who was the first person to mention india on this thread, since Hermes says JWatchers don’t give a rat’s ass about what India does-

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785381

    YOU

  82. says

    Well done, old chap. Not bad for someone who seems to have had a glass too many of Tullamore Dew! Who knows, next time you could be coherent and to the point.

  83. says

    let me repeat myself-

    India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam.

    Former Indian muslim president Abdul Kalam is the “father of India’s missle program”, and a proponent of India’s nuclear weapons, having worked on the project himself, since he is an engineer.

    ______________________________________________________________

    you islamophobes misleadingly claim this is about muslim versus hindu.

    it is not. There are indian muslims serving on the Indian side and they behave like ethnocentric clowns just like Hindus. I’ve met Indian clowns before who think they are superior to other races.

    KEEP THEM on your side of the border, please.

    and blueraven I’m not pakistani

  84. says

    RE: “Whatever India’s flaws might or might not be, she doesn’t have totalitarian designs on Europe.”
    ************************************************************
    No shit, Sherlock!

  85. says

    “I took a second look at your long post (right after I sent you my stinging reply), and realized that you are trying a hackneyed trick, called “throw all kinds of shit against the wall, and see what sticks.””
    ______________________________________________________________

    Anyone who doesn’t know that India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam, has a brain composed of the substance you mentioned.

  86. says

    You leisurely, and conveniently, assume (without any proof) that I do no know these particular facts about India, but you are dead wrong! I just happened to have spent many years in India, and and I will share with you a little known fact about Muslims in India that will surprise you: Nawab Ali Yawar Jung (from Hyderbad) was one of the first Governors of Maharashtra State. Go check that out!

  87. says

    RE: “you islamophobes misleadingly claim this is about muslim versus hindu.”
    **************************************************************
    Don’t try to blow smoke up our rear rear ends; I know darned well that in India it’s always Muslims vs. Hindus: I know all about SIMI and the so called “Indian” Mujahideen, and their notoriously deadly involvement with LeT and the Mumbai train blast and the German Bakery blast in Pune. Horse, enough of your Taqiyya, and by the way, stating cold hard facts about the shameful activities of Islamic people is not Islamaphbia, it’s called “Stating the truth,” and if you can’t deal with the truth, you need to find some other forum where people leave your stupid-ass, convoluted posts unchallenged: we at JW are too informed for that naivete.

  88. says

    also Egypt supported India during the post war negotiations, (china totally beat the Indian military, and drove them out of the northeast frontier region), the Egyptians sponsered a resolution calling for China to withdraw 20 km from the boundary, without india moving a single inch.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/chtime.htm

    Pakistan supported China after the war, while India received support from Gulf Arab states like the UAE.

    The Shah of Iran supported Pakistan against India, and accused Khomeini of being an Indian since Khomeini also signed his signature as the “hindi”

    However, on its own violition, China withdrew all of its military from the northeast area (now arunachal pradesh), even though it had totally conquered the region during the war.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm

    And India also disputes the territory with the Republic of China (Taiwan) as well as the Communist PRC, all Chinese position on India is the same regardless of whether we live in the mainland or on Taiwan.

    This is an image of territory Taiwan (ROC AKA Republic of China as opposed to the Communist PRC) disputes with other countries, in the southwest area is the part disputed with India.

    http://img84.imageshack.us/i/rocadministrativeandcla.jpg/sr=1

    India and Burma should both fork over the disputed territory to Taiwan since ethnic minorities in India and Burma are both displeased with Indian and burmese rule (Nagas, meithei, assamese, naxalistes, kashmiris rebelling against the Indian government) (kokang chinese, rohingya, shan and wa people battling the burmese government, and Panthay Hui also oppose the regime)

    The following are a full list of Assamese separatist fighters fighting for independence from India.

    United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
    National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
    United People’s Democratic Solidarity (UPDS)
    Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
    Bodo Liberation Tiger Force (BLTF)
    Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
    Karbi National Volunteers (KNV)
    Rabha National Security Force (RNSF)
    Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation (KRLO)
    Hmar People’s Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)
    Karbi People’s Front (KPF)
    Tiwa National Revolutionary Force (TNRF)
    Bircha Commando Force (BCF)
    Bengali Tiger Force (BTF)
    Adivasi Security Force (ASF)
    All Assam Adivasi Suraksha Samiti (AAASS)
    Gorkha Tiger Force (GTF)
    Barak Valley Youth Liberation Front (BVYLF)
    Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)
    United Liberation Front of Barak Valley
    Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA)
    Muslim Security Council of Assam (MSCA)
    United Liberation Militia of Assam (ULMA)
    Islamic Liberation Army of Assam (ILAA)
    Muslim Volunteer Force (MVF)
    Muslim Liberation Army (MLA)
    Muslim Security Force (MSF)
    Islamic Sevak Sangh (ISS)
    Islamic United Reformation Protest of India (IURPI)
    United Muslim Liberation Front of Assam (UMLFA)
    Revolutionary Muslim Commandos (RMC)
    Muslim Tiger Force (MTF)
    People’s United Liberation Front (PULF)
    Adam Sena (AS)
    Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
    Harkat-ul-Jehad

    India’s the one who has serious problems, if all of these groups sprang up and started resisting their government.

    Some of these groups are terrorists but others may be legitimate freedom fighters.

  89. says

    Hermes Epicureous,

    “No shit, Sherlock”

    Huh? You should address that contempt to horse, to whom I was telling what is so obvious to you, but obviously not to horse.

  90. says

    Horse-scheiss. “The following are a full list of Assamese separatist fighters fighting for independence from India.
    United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
    National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
    United People’s Democratic Solidarity (UPDS) ………”

    ——————
    Horse – you said you are not a Pakistani, but you are thinking so much like a Paki. Could it be that you are a Paki-American as they are now called or a Paki-British?

    There are over billion people living in India with all kind of mis-fits. I don’t think India is harboring terrorists likes of Bin Laden as in Pakistan.

    Your list of the links is a hog-wash to the real issue on hand. Seriously, India is an irritance but not a threat to the world as Pakistan (terrorists, islamists, nuks, exceedingtly poor and totally dependent on foreign aid…). You just can’t bypass that no matter how much you try to divert the attention. Pakies are SOBs. Pakistan is a real threat, more than Afghanistan and Iraq.

  91. says

    “He seems to be a baldfaced liar and a calculating manipulator. He does not argue in good faith.”

    ______________________________________________________________

    lets see traeh’s logic.

    Before, on another post here, I was not criticizing hindus, I have a dislike for Indians in General regardless of their religion, I was pointin out to DDA that Pakistanis do not like Indian muslims, and neither do I, since they are arrogant and ethnocentric

    I have met them before, Indian muslims are indeed “self-conceited”, since they think that being Indian makes them superior and that India is the greatest country in the world. They think that India should be able to do whatever it wants and abuse other countries. I believe that they, like Hindu Indians, are also quite racist, especially northern indians from punjab. Northern Indians don’t let their women marry non Indians. Indian muslims aren’t different from Hindus, former Indian President Abdul Kalam who is a muslim continued India’s detrimental activities towards minorities in northeast India and its expansionist aims.

    Then Traeh proceeds to spam irrelevant hadith, when I never uttered single criticism of hindu’s holy scriptures or books, or criticized their religion, I was criticizing Indians for being arrogant and racist. Traeh seems to have been hallucinating, and thinks I was insulting the hindu religion, when I was not. Either that, or you are the boldfaced liar

    Hinduism, whatever its flaws, is not a totalitarian system bent on world domination. Islam is. That’s the key difference. In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your “lives and property” are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim (he proceeds to spam hadith from there)

    I mentioned this fact- Hui Generals controlling provinces in northwest China, Qinghai, gansu, and ningxia provinces, BEFORE the communist takeover, and the local Imams banned the salafis returning from saudi arabia and made them illegal.

    “India allows their Salafi hate Imam Zakir Naik to spill BS freely and poison the minds of millions of Indian muslims but in China Al salafiyya was banned and attacked by the Imams, and Hui Generals banned the Salafis from Saudi Arabia.”

    Traeh, assuming that he is a know it all, not only falsely claims that “islam is watered down in China” (#1, i was talking about pre communist China, #2, the sufi orders are still intact, we have our qur’ans, some of us know arabic, islam is very much real, to your chagrin, in China)

    #3, he goes on to lie and falsely claims china made a fake second dalai lama- wRONG, it was the panchen lama.

    “And if it’s true that Horse’s Hui Muslims in Western China are somewhat “moderate,” that’s surely because the Chinese dictatorship will only accept extremely watered-down forms of Islam, and brutally crushes anything else. I’m not impressed by the allegiance of friend Horse to the Chinese government’s approved form of Islam. Chinese officially approved Islam is no more genuine than the fake Dalai Lama the Chinese government tried to designate for Tibet.”

    over here, the master of idiocy displays his intellect again-

    Me talking about Muslims in Taiwan and thailand, in addition to China

    traeh goes on to repeat his false claim that islam in China is watered down, that a second dalai lama was installed, and seems to think that the jurisdiction of the Chinese government extends to thailand, since he apparently did not address either Thailand or taiwan separately

    “dumbledoresarmy, If Muslims in Western China are somewhat “moderate,” as Horse constantly tells us, that’s in part because the Chinese dictatorship will only accept extremely watered-down forms of Islam, and brutally crushes anything else. Chinese government-approved Islam is no more genuine than the fake Dalai Lama the Chinese government tried to impose on Tibet.”

    ______________________________________________________________
    First of all moron, I already said I don’t like Indian muslims and I wouldn’t care if they all vanished on a flight to the Moon. Indians are all the same to me. I don’t want to “islamicize” India, I want them to stop supporting the dictatorship Junta in Burma, stop oppressing nagalanders, and free Sikkim, which they took over via swamping it with Nepalese immigrants.

    I don’t have a problem with Hindus. non indian hindus, like the Balinese in Indonesia are fine. They are attacked by the racist indono government as well, I don’t have a problem with them. Just India, whose President Abdul Kalam boasted of becoming a “superpower” with nuclear weapons, which is code for “I’m going to use those nukes to bully my neighbors”.

    FYI Abdul Kalam was a muslim. He helped built India’s nuclear program.

    and India gives great leeway to its over 200 million muslim population, Salafi Imam Zakir Naik is free to preach hatred to his followers.

    in Central China, in the provinces of Gansu and Qinghai BEFORE the communist party took over, salafis who came back from Saudi Arabia were shoved out of the mainstream, told that they were heretics by the imams, and declared to be Kaffir and illegal by all muslim sects (except themselves of course).

    You still haven’t addressed the fact that india seized sikkim through subversion, demographic swamping, and eliminated the traditional monarchy of Sikkim, which was Tibetan buddhist before it was annexed and indianized.

    You still haven’t addressed the fact that Christian Nagas in northeast india want indepdence from India.

    You still haven’t addressed the fact that India seized Goa from Portugal by force.

    And lets see who is the bigger liar

    This is coming from the traeh who thought he knew it all about Islam in China, and responded to a post I made talking about muslims in Thailand and Taiwan by claiming that since China was under communist control, islam there was “watered down”.

    this is also coming from the traeh who claimed that China installed a second dalai lama.

    Its the panchen lama, for more intelligent people who can understand.

    Speaking of which, the previous Panchen Lama, (not the current ones), recognized as the legitimate Lama, was actually opposed to the Dalai Lama’s forces, the Panchen Lama defected to the Chinese Muslim Governor of Qinghai, General Ma Bufang, and joined his forces in opposing the Dalai Lama, plotting a takeover of Tibet, as Ma Bufang battled both the Communists party and the Tibetans.

  92. says

    traeh

    I agree w/ you that Horse should be banned, since all he does is spam threads w/ stuff totally irrelevant to those threads. On the issue of India’s 3rd ‘Muslim’ president Abdul Kalam, I had a few days ago pointed out articles of what some major Indian Muslim leaders said about him in 2002 when he was being nominated as president. In short, they didn’t consider him one of them, and took pains to point out that he didn’t either. Despite that, Horse just keeps repeating that in every thread. Also, in India, a president is a figurehead and not the head of the excutive government: India’s equivalent to the US president is its Prime Minister, and so far, there hasn’t been even one Muslim there.

    As others have pointed out, India has its problems, but is not a threat to any other country, including its neighbors. It was at one time during the Nehru dynasty, but that’s now over. In fact, Nepal, which was once independent, now has a Maoist government, and is a lot more tolerant of Muslims than it used to be.

    While there are America hating parties in India, such as the Communists, there ain’t anti-Western terrorist organizations in India plotting against the West, like there is al Qaeda in Pakistan, or Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

  93. says

    I’m beginning to think Horse should indeed be banned. He seems to be a baldfaced liar and a calculating manipulator. He does not argue in good faith.

    I agree, traeh, that Horse should be shown the barn door, and locked behind him. His non-useful, laboriously quoted ‘misinformation’ does not enlarge the discussion, except to divert it from meaningful facts and ideas. This is so word-Jihad of this ‘gate crasher’. He should be shown out.

  94. says

    Maybe the Nagas should stop forcible conversions and the less said about the Chinese the better.

    The Chinese want Tibet, Arunachal Pradesh and also Taiwan – maybe they should repent for their rampant cannibalism and genocides first. There’re no group of people on earth who have a worse human rights record.

    Talking about dishonesty Horse – do you still think Zardari controls nuclear weapons – or did you get a chance to do some google on it.

  95. says

    Hedgehogg

    I don’t think Horse is Paki. He is Hui Chinese i.e. Muslim, and therefore, has been spamming JW threads @ random about how wonderful his Hui people are, and attributing to Malays and Indonesians reasons other than Islam for their racism. What makes his Malay claim incoherent is the fact that all Malays are legally defined as Muslim by the Malaysian government. Also, his latest trick is to attack Indian Muslims for their claimed attitudes towards Pakistan, thinking that most people won’t believe that an indeterminate number of Indian Muslims have loyalties towards Pakistan over India.

    The whole concept of his is ridiculous – there are 30 million Hui worldwide, out of 1 billion Muslims, and he wants to use them to demonstrate that the problem is due to factors other than Islam, or other than Muslims. It’s no different from claims by Ahmadiya or Sufis that project their profiles on to Islam as a whole.

  96. says

    lol, Will Doohan …

    I, too, suggested that Horse start his own blog a few days ago …yeah this ole’ cowpoke needs to ride his hobby-horse out of here and onto perhaps greener pastures somewhere else. Hey maybe there are readers out there that are willing to suffer through his long-winded, errant musings.

  97. says

    Hey Infidel Pride …

    I agree …plus, Horse doesn’t have anything to gain by pretending to be Paki. I think he’s Hui Chinese, just as he claims; and just as you pointed out, his tactic of lying is all too familiar to us here – nothing new in that department.

    And banning Horse is totally reasonable at this point, since I seriously doubt that he will saddle up his hobby-horse and ride off into the sunset willingly.

    Great comment!

  98. says

    Maybe Ajack should stop talking jack crap before he opens his mouth, if he actually knew politics in Taiwan, he would also know that Taiwan lays claim to territory which is held by India, in arunachal pradesh

    India is holding territory belonging to Taiwan, in arunachal pradesh, and should fork it over before whining about kashmir and pakistan holding terrorists

    disputed territories of Taiwan- these are the territories that Taiwan, (official name is Republic of China) claims from other countries

    http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/roc_administrative_and_claims.jpg

    the Government of Taiwan lent $100,000 to build the taipei grand mosque, if you are islamophobic then don’t come to Taiwan.

    Also Muslim Generals Bai Chongxi and Ma Buqing served in the military of the Republic of China (Taiwan), and Bai publicly said India was a Soviet puppet and a threat to peace.

  99. says

    Hi, Deebartok! …so great to see you posting :)

    “Is this what you intend your supporters to do here at JW? I think not. Follow your own admirable precepts, and take steps to keep our community together.”

    I completely agree – and your comment reminds me of a thread Robert posted recently entitled: “Discord among counter-jihadists: a call for unity”, on April 11, 2011, encouraging those within the counter-jihad movement to stick together and to cease with any “friendly fire”.

    Here’s the thread for anyone interested in reading it:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/discord-among-counter-jihadists-a-call-for-unity.html#comments

    Anyway, Robert is of course speaking to those within the counter-jihad movement, and obviously Horse does NOT fit into that category; but I’m mentioning this “call for unity” more to broaden the scope of what Robert’s asking for by pointing out that Horse creates a lot of DISUNITY, on the whole, by not only lowering the moral around here, but by bringing down one thread after another. Plus, he never addresses the main topic, but instead spends all of his time and effort attacking other posters. I’ve never read a single comment where he has taken islamic terrorists to task – not one, which is of course our primary goal here on Jihad Watch.

    Horse clearly isn’t within the counter-jihad movement; and I do agree that his presence here could be chasing a lot of good posters away from Jihad Watch. Those within the counter-jihad movement want to support this forum, but why should we be subjected to Horse’s constant abuse in the process? In order for there to be true unity within the counter-jihad movement, then there needs to be some reciprocation of support given to us as well.

    And I understand that we are not the only ones being subjected to abuse. Robert is subjected to all KINDS of abuse, including death threats, etc. And I also understand the important role that someone like Horse plays on this forum …as he demonstrates to us that he is just one more shining example of how evil islam & company truly are. But enough, is enough. Horse needs to go.

    Horse thinks that by yelling at us all day long, that he’s somehow going to convince us that he’s actually a really nice guy. Hmm, how does that work? But all hes done is confirm what we already know about him. Yeah it’s rather entertaining watching his wild west show – day in, and day out – where he attempts to shoot down other posters, when all he actually does is shoot himself directly in the foot each day, lol …ouch!

    Hope you and yours are doing well, my friend :)

  100. says

    Lets see deebartok’s profanity laced, hateful death threats and rants – all of them unprovoked, I never said a word to him, and he asked my why i didn’t “answer” his posts, when he never posted a single “question”

    only in one of these posts, the first one, did I talk about Hui in thailand since gravenimage started OT about Thailand.

    here is was responding to gravenimage who was the one who went OT on Thailand, then Deebartok jumps in

    Just go die AND my wife is Filipina, asshole.

    Here he threatens me with death, after i criticized assyrian chaldean and DDA for being elated at palestinians getting killed. I managed to do it without profanity, i wonder why deebartok can’t

    GO DIE! YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS “students”

    Here, i was responding to DDA’s offtopic comment that ancient greeks celebrated the human body, and deebartok sends another profanity laced death threat.

    Bye Horseyboy. Go back to your shithole and please die.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Over here, he claims I made a comment that I never did- I never called robert spencer a “hooked nose ****”, or sent that email message. I said whoever sent it might have been an arab christian

    Put simply, Mohammedan, kiss my ass, because you need to, since I pay for your internet nonsense. I refuse to quote your BS, except this little snippet: “hook nosed Kike trying to pass yoursel of as a Christian Zionist”

    Did you hear what he said? he said “I pay for your internet nonsense” If you don’t like what I say, Don’t read what I say! I’m very honored that you are paying some mysterious person money to see my comments, but I don’t see how you can’t see them for free.

    ______________________________________________________________
    IS NOT A RACE, dumbass

    DOI – you’re an inbred idiot, obviously. Go have sex with Prince Naif’s 10 year-old – daughter, why don’t you?
    ______________________________________________________________

    And I’m a racist? What did I say thats racist? What race did I insult? Where is my “Racist” comment?

  101. says

    After jumping to conclusions about “Arab Christians”, this clueless nutjob Horse declares

    “what did I say that is racist?”

    This is what happens when people take to Cannibalism over generations.

  102. says

    Profanity? Death threats? Ha ha ha …

    First of all, Horse …

    All of your comments begin and end with profanity and name calling, so you have NO room to talk; secondly, requesting that you “GO DIE” is not by definition a death threat, as you purport, but a request that YOU go off and die somewhere. Big difference.

    Really, your claim against Deebartok is nothing but hyperbole …

    yawn!

    What else you got, clown …

  103. says

    Mao ordered 2 million people killed.

    the other 60 million were starvation victims from famine

    “[In his book Shokujin Enseki – Massatsu sareta Chugoku Gendaishi (Cannibal Banquet – Modern Chinese History Erased) (Tokyo: Kodansha Kappa Books, 1993″

    ______________________________________________________________
    LOL. Ajack quotes a Japanese publisher and author, and says its reliable information on China.

    Thats about as reliable as reading a Zionist publication on palestine.

    by the way ajack why don’t you take alook at India’s favorite fetish- drinking cow urine

    “India Launches Urine Soda”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8HNEa-noIA

    “Favourite drink of Indian (cow urine so called ‘cow cola’) shining india… LOL ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAecqY2sbWQ

    India Launches Urine Soda

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ht0DJZBpU

    “India to launch cow urine as soft drink”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5707554.ece

    India also has a massive Hijra transgender community- they cut their own genitalia off to become the “third gender”

    http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2008/05/hijras-indian-changing-rights

    ______________________________________________________________

    I might call them civilized if they upgraded to drinking human urine instead.

  104. says

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/eating_babies.htm

    “Do They Eat Babies in China?”

    “Dear Urban Legends:

    I received an email last week which was quite disturbing and, to say the least, disgusting. It is about dead babies that can be bought from hospitals in Taiwan for $70 to meet the high demand for grilled and barbequed babies!

    I am sure this must be a hoax, although the message comes with an attached slide show, showing how the baby is prepared, cooked and eaten. ”
    ______________________________________________________________

    Dear Reader:

    Given the nature of the “evidence” ” that is to say, tabloid-style rumor-mongering and unsourced images found on the Internet ” we must proceed under the assumption that the Chinese as a people, whether in Taiwan or on the mainland, are no more inclined to eat human babies than folks who live anywhere else in the world.

    The same holds true for Jews, Christians, “Gypsies,” witches, aborigines, Satanists, and all the other ethnic and religious groups accused of practicing this bloody “custom” down through the centuries. There’s simply no proof that such a custom exists, or has ever existed, anywhere on earth. The burden of proof lies with those who claim otherwise.

    Prejudice and blood libel

    The claim that killing and eating babies (or fetuses) is a common and accepted practice in China (or Thailand, Japan, Korea, or Israel, etc.) is essentially a modern version of an ancient form of bigotry known as “blood libel,” which historically consisted of one group accusing another of murdering infants during the course of ritual sacrifices. According to the Greeks, the Jews did it; according to the Romans, the Christians did it; according to the Christians, it really was the Jews who did it; and so on, and so on, since time immemorial.

    Sociologists say the driving forces behind such bigotry are ignorance, xenophobia (fear of “the other”), and psychological projection (attributing perceived moral failings of one’s own group to others). As an example of the latter, it has been speculated that the spread of horror stories in the West about the supposed use of unborn babies as food in Asia may be fueled by qualms about social practices closer to home ” practices such as abortion, for example, and the so-called “cannibalization” of fetal tissue for scientific research.

    ‘Cannibalism’ as art

    In any case, it’s difficult to tell ” and under dispute ” whether photographs circulating online since December 2000 which appear to show an Asian man cooking and eating a human fetus are real or fake. We do know, thanks to documentation provided on Chinese-Art.com, that they were the work of a conceptual artist named Zhu Yu. The photos were exhibited at an underground art show after being rejected as “too controversial” by curators of the Shanghai 2000 Bienniale. For those who haven’t seen them and aren’t too squeamish to take a peek, here are two examples from Zhu’s postmodern performance piece, aptly titled “Eating People,” collected from forwarded emails:

    •Zhu Yu “Eating People” #1
    •Zhu Yu “Eating People” #2
    The artist himself, whose past accomplishments include an opus called “Canned Human Brains,” has claimed in interviews that he used real aborted fetuses stolen from a medical school to create the piece, and that he actually cooked and ate the fetuses “for art’s sake.”

    Should we take him at his word? Not necessarily.

    It is true ” to the point of being a cliche, in fact ” that avant-garde artists will say and do practically anything to shock their audiences, so we’re obliged to acknowledge the possibility that Zhu Yu is telling the truth ” that he really did cook and eat human fetuses in front of a camera. On the other hand, “performance art” is more often than not strictly that ” a performance ” and it has been argued that Zhu could have constructed his “fetuses” out of doll parts and animal carcasses, pretended to consume them in front of a camera, and issued tongue-in-cheek statements to the press claiming he ate human flesh.

    That’s a theory I’m inclined to agree with, frankly, because if Zhu’s claims were factual he’d probably be serving jail time right now. There is no reason to suppose the government of China is any more tolerant of cannibalism than governments anywhere else, and the fact that Zhu’s work was rejected from an official exhibition bears that out. By his own “admission,” the fetuses Zhu allegedly cooked and ate were obtained illegally, thus if he is telling the truth he could be prosecuted as an accomplice in that crime, as well.

    Officials demand retraction

    In early 2001, a Malaysian tabloid published several of the photos in conjunction with a story alleging that the signature dish of a particular Taiwanese restaurant contains the “meat” of human infants. Taiwan government officials immediately demanded a retraction ” a de facto confirmation that baby eating is not particularly well-accepted by the Chinese.

    Shortly afterward, the same pictures turned up on a prominent Website specializing in tasteless content (www.rotten.com), prompting reports in the British press that Scotland Yard and the FBI were investigating their origins. The owner of said Website maintains he has never been contacted by authorities from any country, however. When last I looked (August 2001), the photos were still on display there.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Ajack, how does cow urine taste? Have you joined the hijra and become a transsexual yet?

  105. says

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/horrors/a/eating_babies.htm

    “Do They Eat Babies in China?”

    “Dear Urban Legends:

    I received an email last week which was quite disturbing and, to say the least, disgusting. It is about dead babies that can be bought from hospitals in Taiwan for $70 to meet the high demand for grilled and barbequed babies!

    I am sure this must be a hoax, although the message comes with an attached slide show, showing how the baby is prepared, cooked and eaten. ”
    ______________________________________________________________

    Dear Reader:

    Given the nature of the “evidence” ” that is to say, tabloid-style rumor-mongering and unsourced images found on the Internet ” we must proceed under the assumption that the Chinese as a people, whether in Taiwan or on the mainland, are no more inclined to eat human babies than folks who live anywhere else in the world.

    The same holds true for Jews, Christians, “Gypsies,” witches, aborigines, Satanists, and all the other ethnic and religious groups accused of practicing this bloody “custom” down through the centuries. There’s simply no proof that such a custom exists, or has ever existed, anywhere on earth. The burden of proof lies with those who claim otherwise.

    Prejudice and blood libel

    The claim that killing and eating babies (or fetuses) is a common and accepted practice in China (or Thailand, Japan, Korea, or Israel, etc.) is essentially a modern version of an ancient form of bigotry known as “blood libel,” which historically consisted of one group accusing another of murdering infants during the course of ritual sacrifices. According to the Greeks, the Jews did it; according to the Romans, the Christians did it; according to the Christians, it really was the Jews who did it; and so on, and so on, since time immemorial.

    Sociologists say the driving forces behind such bigotry are ignorance, xenophobia (fear of “the other”), and psychological projection (attributing perceived moral failings of one’s own group to others). As an example of the latter, it has been speculated that the spread of horror stories in the West about the supposed use of unborn babies as food in Asia may be fueled by qualms about social practices closer to home ” practices such as abortion, for example, and the so-called “cannibalization” of fetal tissue for scientific research.

    ‘Cannibalism’ as art

    In any case, it’s difficult to tell ” and under dispute ” whether photographs circulating online since December 2000 which appear to show an Asian man cooking and eating a human fetus are real or fake. We do know, thanks to documentation provided on Chinese-Art.com, that they were the work of a conceptual artist named Zhu Yu. The photos were exhibited at an underground art show after being rejected as “too controversial” by curators of the Shanghai 2000 Bienniale. For those who haven’t seen them and aren’t too squeamish to take a peek, here are two examples from Zhu’s postmodern performance piece, aptly titled “Eating People,” collected from forwarded emails:

    •Zhu Yu “Eating People” #1
    •Zhu Yu “Eating People” #2
    The artist himself, whose past accomplishments include an opus called “Canned Human Brains,” has claimed in interviews that he used real aborted fetuses stolen from a medical school to create the piece, and that he actually cooked and ate the fetuses “for art’s sake.”

    Should we take him at his word? Not necessarily.

    It is true ” to the point of being a cliche, in fact ” that avant-garde artists will say and do practically anything to shock their audiences, so we’re obliged to acknowledge the possibility that Zhu Yu is telling the truth ” that he really did cook and eat human fetuses in front of a camera. On the other hand, “performance art” is more often than not strictly that ” a performance ” and it has been argued that Zhu could have constructed his “fetuses” out of doll parts and animal carcasses, pretended to consume them in front of a camera, and issued tongue-in-cheek statements to the press claiming he ate human flesh.

    That’s a theory I’m inclined to agree with, frankly, because if Zhu’s claims were factual he’d probably be serving jail time right now. There is no reason to suppose the government of China is any more tolerant of cannibalism than governments anywhere else, and the fact that Zhu’s work was rejected from an official exhibition bears that out. By his own “admission,” the fetuses Zhu allegedly cooked and ate were obtained illegally, thus if he is telling the truth he could be prosecuted as an accomplice in that crime, as well.

    Officials demand retraction

    In early 2001, a Malaysian tabloid published several of the photos in conjunction with a story alleging that the signature dish of a particular Taiwanese restaurant contains the “meat” of human infants. Taiwan government officials immediately demanded a retraction ” a de facto confirmation that baby eating is not particularly well-accepted by the Chinese.

    Shortly afterward, the same pictures turned up on a prominent Website specializing in tasteless content (www.rotten.com), prompting reports in the British press that Scotland Yard and the FBI were investigating their origins. The owner of said Website maintains he has never been contacted by authorities from any country, however. When last I looked (August 2001), the photos were still on display there.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Ajack, how does cow urine taste? Have you joined the hijra and become a member of the “third gender” yet? how do you like it that Indians slice off their own genitals for membership in the “third gender”?

  106. says

    Indian rat temple, where Rats defecate, urinate, and piss all over the Indian priests food before they eat it, and they worhsip the rats

    “Culture Shock” Part 1: The Rat Temple

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t1hJjlCnY0&feature=related

    “Welcome to India (Hindustan) Warning video contains shit and urine ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z35_NQZpt-I

    “Young girl kidnapped raped and trafficked for prostitution in india ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ky8w3vP6XY

    “Teenage prostitutes in India Indian ARMY is involve in prostitution business from nepal”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz7gOPmm_dY

    man marries dog in india

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb2e3vH_O4I

    “8 year old hindu girl forced to marry dogs ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY6VAoFFGE8

    “Little Hindu girl forced to marry dog OUTRAGEOUS! ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEDDCXhzJaM

  107. says

    Exactly Champ – now we know his weak point.

    A little push back and he’s left defending his uber-racism, only 2 million killed by Mao, foetus eating and other assorted indefensible gobble-de-gook.

    All this on a web site meant to gather information about the threat of global jihad.

  108. says

    notice how I actually provide links to legitimate news sites and Indian official news videos which proves that indians are eating rats, drinking cow urine and having their girls and men marry dogs, selling girls as underaged prostitutes.

    meanwhile Ajack provides absolutely no Video evidence, the imfamous “picture” of that artist eating the fetus could not be verified as true by any news angecy, when i googled what Ajack copied and pastsed, I could only find it on either internetforums or sites like “.chinasucks.org/”

    For the same obvious reasons, I do not get my information about India from a site that says “India sucks.com” or “screw india.net”

    all of my links are to news sites, and all my videos are of Indian news agencies broadcasting disgusting indian practices for the world to see, while AJack copies and pastes hearsay.

  109. says

    …”while AJack copies and pastes hearsay.”

    Whatever, Horse …

    AJack has been very measured and civil towards you – unlike you, whose been spewing out one insult after another towards him.

    Character MATTERS – in case you didn’t know, and it’s what separates you, from him; and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with AJack over your awful contributions. You have no character, as far as I can tell, so no one cares about your links and headlines.

  110. says

    Not only do you have a credibility problem here on Jihad Watch, but you also have a respectability issue as well – those two combined spell disaster for you here. You’re a total train wreck, but you don’t even realize that you’ve been involved in an accident yet. Talk about denial. Double denial, if you ask me – the first being your denial over your prophet muhammad being such an evil man.

    Sigh, like talking to a wall …

  111. says

    Ajack says-

    “Maybe the Nagas should stop forcible conversions and the less said about the Chinese the better. ”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785571

    The Nagas are a Christian people in northeast india fighting for independence from India. I have never heard a single case of a Naga forcing anyone else to convert to christianity.

    “However, politics and tribal divisions have complicated the church’s growth and mission. After India achieved independence in 1947, Naga separatists (many of them Christians) fought fiercely for independence from India. India’s government expelled all foreign missionaries from Nagaland, suspecting them of fueling the Nagas’ desire for independence. Finally, after years of violence, India permitted Nagaland to become a “self-governing” state inside India. But entry into and exit from Nagaland is monitored closely, even today, since Christian rebels still advocate complete independence (their slogan: “Nagalim for Christ”).

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/february/38.51.html

    ______________________________________________________________

    However, racist Indians, who do not like Nagas, for the double crime of being christian, AND asian (nagas look like east asians not indians) claim they are “christian terrorism”

    http://christianwatchindia.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/nagaland-for-christ-christian-terrorism-at-work-in-nagaland/
    ______________________________________________________________

    Naga women are subjected to rape by Indian men

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vzM2nx2G1w

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/naga-girls-murder-iitians-diary-key-evidence/109994

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-11-09/delhi/28104993_1_shopping-mall-molested-helpline

    http://news.oneindia.in/2009/10/26/naga-girl-raped-and-murder-itt-delhi-scholar-held.html

    http://www.sinlung.com/2010/09/yes-chinky-is-racist-word-says-naga.html

    http://nagastar.blogspot.com/2009/10/indias-racism-under-scanner.html

  112. says

    Horse,

    I repeat …

    Character MATTERS – in case you didn’t know, and it’s what separates you, from AJack; and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with him over your awful contributions. You have no character, as far as I can tell, so no one cares about your links and headlines.

  113. says

    Yep, Champ – notice the jumping around – in stead of defending the obvious foetus slurping habits of his mates, he’s now jumped topics. All of course in a forum meant to discuss jihad.

    In that sense, he’s managed to derail the higher purpose of this thread – that is to collate data on the grave threat posed by Muslim jihad and jihadis.

    In any case, I wanted to point out the chinks in his thinking.

  114. says

    Sure, like how champ praised deebartok for his “character”

    “Your comments KILL me! …you are so smart, funny and spot on :)”

    deebartok, without any provocation from me, called me an “Asshole” “dumbass”, told me to “go die”, and told DOI to “have sex” with an underage girl

    Thats odd, I never started any arguments with deebartok, ie. i was the first one to post on the article before him, then he “jumps in”, and starts cursing profanity, and does not even explain why he is angered. He claims I didn’t “Respond” to his post, yet he never asked any questions.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785781

  115. says

    Ajack says “other assorted indefensible gobble-de-gook”

    the proper term is “goobledegook”, no hyphens, especially not emphasizing “gook”, which is a slur for asians

    “In any case, I wanted to point out the chinks in his thinking”

    just like how the brown Indians call asian Christian Nagas “chinky”

    “Yes, “chinky’ is a racist word, says Naga activist Kikon”
    “Yes, “chinky’ is a racist word, says Naga activist Kikon”

    and Ajack says “in stead of defending the obvious foetus slurping habits of his mates”

    How about Ajack explains why Indians enjoy drinking cow piss, eating and worshipping rats, prostituting underage girls in temples, and marrying dogs?

  116. says

    True, AJack – yes I’ve seen Horse use this same weird tactic before by changing channels to divert attention away from both questions asked of him, as well as the main topic. It only demonstates cowardice. Another one of his character flaws.

  117. says

    >> “the proper term is “goobledegook”

    Wow – this is absolutely amazing work – Horse has found a SPELLING MISTAKE in a post on a forum at jihadwatch. What an intellectual achievement for his kind.

    Next he’ll educate us on the multiple spellings of gobbledygook.

    His foetus-slurping buddies will surely nominate him for the nobel.

    Meanwhile Nick Kristof notes about Darfur:

    [China’s leaders are tarnishing their own Olympiad by abetting genocide in Darfur and in effect undermining the U.N. military deployment there…..The central problem is that in exchange for access to Sudanese oil, Beijing is financing, diplomatically protecting and supplying the arms for the first genocide of the 21st century.]

  118. says

    Ajack you still haven’t explained why Indians enjoy drinking cow piss, eating and worshipping rats, prostituting underage girls in temples, and marrying dogs?

    indian sudan relations-

    Sudanese President Omar al Bashir and other arabs states have taken it their imperative to engage Both China AND India AND pakistan all at the same time with bilateral relations-

    http://www.plaidavenger.com/leaders/profile/omar-al-bashir/

    “From the first day, our policy was clear: To look eastward, toward China, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, and even Korea and Japan, even if the Western influence upon some [of these] countries is strong. We believe that the Chinese expansion was natural because it filled the space left by Western governments, the United States, and international funding agencies. The success of the Sudanese experiment in dealing with China without political conditions or pressures encouraged other African countries to look toward China.”

    India has voiced support for Sudan, and hostility to israel

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/why-is-india-against-israel-but-for-sudan/552790/
    http://www.sudantribune.com/Sudan-India-discuss-energetic,33910

    India expanding ties with Saudis

    http://weapons.technology.youngester.com/2010/11/india-and-saudi-arab-to-hold-joint.html

  119. says

    Yes, his comments do “Kill me”, which means – he makes me laugh, not the devious meaning that you’re attempting to ascribe to what I wrote; also note the context with which I wrote that comment to him. You’re trying to twist my comments – again. No surprise there.

    Deebartok has character, and you do not – and the distinct difference between you two, is that he hates islam, and you love it. Hope that makes it simple enough for you, Horse?

    Anyone that sides with and defends evil muhammad and islam completely lacks character. Period. And that describes you to a T.

  120. says

    lol, AJack …great come back! And I cannot believe that Horse has taken the liberty of misquoting you on the term goobledegook by claiming that you called him a gook. Oh brother, what will this lying clown think of next – oh wait, on second thought, I can believe that he would take such liberties.

  121. says

    …”and I did not use any profanity like “asshole” dumbass” and “shit”. — Horse

    You are splitting horse hairs, Horse …

    Instead you frequently call people “idiot’s” …”morons” …”fools”, which are all on par with the words you find objectionable.

    And that’s just the short list of ugly names you call people here.

    Would you like for someone to start a lengthy list on your ugly name calling and nasty phrases?

  122. says

    Hermes started with the profanity.

    Not only that, he was the first person to bring up India by praising it, comparing it to Pakistan, my comments regarding India were a response to him

    Hermes brought up India first-

    A cursory reading of recent history reveals that India has already suffered, and is suffering…we would conduct soon, a joint campaign with India to secure the entire nuclear stockpile of Pakistan.

    When I responded to him about India’s imperialism with the nagas, its abortion epidemic and child rape, he suddenly claims India is OT-

    I do not believe, give a rat’s ass about what India does or does not do

    “none of that (horse)shit of yours”

    ” people leave your stupid-ass, convoluted posts unchallenged”

    other users before me brought up India before I did, and suddenly when I say it, it magically becomes OT but not for anyone else

    “Our naturally ally is India.”

    “and redirect our help to India”

    they praised India first

    I was showing them the results of Indian imperialism with the Nagas, the forceful Indian annexation of Goa, and the Indian demographic and cultural invasion of the previously Tibetan buddhist kingdom of sikkim, now swarming with Nepali hindus. India effectively seized Sikkim and jettisoned its legitamate ruler.

  123. says

    AJack first makes a personal attack against me-

    “Now, we know, what Horse finds at his/her/its dinner table…damn the Chinese are dirty examples of human kind.”

    I respond, bringing up the hijra as a retort (hijra are indian men who castrated themselves to become the “Third gender”, and cow urine is a popular drink in india, no kidding)

    Ajack, how does cow urine taste? Have you joined the hijra and become a transsexual yet”

    cow urine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8HNEa-noIA

    “champ” says my retort to him was “crass”

    “Ajack, how does cow urine taste? Have you joined the hijra and become a transsexual yet?” — Horse

    Horse continues to make crass comments like this one, and yet takes such umbrage over remarks made to him.

    It seems that he wants special privileges to abuse everyone here …hey imagine that, a muslim feeling entitled to dish it out, but he just can’t take it. Big surprise, eh? …and a big boo-hoo, too.

    AJack made a “crass” comment claiming I ate human fetuses, and I merely responded with (True) facts about India, the rat worshipping, cow urine drinking, temple prostitution and other horrors going on there.
    ___________________________________________________
    “Instead you frequently call people “idiot’s” …”morons” …”fools”, which are all on par with the words you find objectionable.”

    Where did i call Ajack an idiot, moron or fool? Where? Where did i utter a curse word against him or profanity? I coudln’t find a single curse word directed at him in any of my comments

  124. says

  125. says

    Wrong about the enabler of the Darfur genocide:

    Most of the killing is done by small arms – not major conventional weapons…but, then again habitual genocide is something that is inherently acceptable in China – of course, only as long as they’re perpetrating it…

    So, without much ado – how much of Sudan’s small arms come from China – oh! only 90%

    [China’s sales of small arms to Sudan increased as the violence escalated in Darfur, Human Rights First charged Thursday in a report pressing China to halt arms sales as Beijing prepares to hold its first Olympics this year.

    The report says China stepped up its arms supply to Sudan as others cut back to comply with a U.N. arms embargo, making China by far the biggest supplier of small arms to Khartoum ” providing 90% of all Khartoum’s acquisitions between 2004 and 2006, totaling $55 million. Small arms such as assault rifles are the most common weapon used in Darfur.]

  126. says

    Russia is not only providing heavy military helicopters to Sudan, it provides pilot mercenaries as well to do the killing

    the RIA novsti, a RUSSIAN news agency, wrote an article in which it noted Russia FULLY supported the sudan government-

    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110109/162045034.html

    “Russia’s northern bias

    Moscow has good relations with Khartoum and President al-Bashir, who in 2009 pledged friendship and many joint projects in the oil and energy sector. But his pledges were no more than declarations of intent on most issues, with the notable exception of student exchanges, which bring Sudanese students to Russian universities. Most of these students strive to remain in Russia after graduation.

    Russia does not pose a serious challenge to the three major oil producers in the Sudanese territories – China, India and Malaysia. And the competition will become even tougher once American, British and French companies enter the Southern Sudanese market.

    The United States has announced that by 2015 it plans to purchase a quarter of its oil from Africa, with Sudanese fields being a main source. Russia has never made much of an effort to become a major player in the Sudanese oil market, preferring “quick’ and “easy’ petrodollars instead. It has no base in Sudan and hardly any incentive to develop the local El Dorado of oil, while China needs Sudan to diversify its energy supplies and ensure its energy security. ”

    ______________________________________________________________
    A Russian pilot, working for the Sudanese military, was shot down during the raid on khartoum.

    “The recent death of a Russian fighter pilot in Sudan, while flying a Sudanese MiG-29, brought to light the fact that Russian pilots, both active duty and retired, have been flying Sudan’s 14 MiG-29s. ”

    http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/200862112816.asp

    ” MIG-29 fighter Jet was shot down killing its Russian pilot during the Darfur rebel assault on the Sudanese capital earlier this month, a Russian radio station said today.

    Vladimir said the slain pilot was a flight instructor training the Sudanese pilots on flying the MIG-29 fighter jets. In 2004 Khartoum said that Moscow supplied them with a dozen MIG-29’s.

    http://www.sudantribune.com/Radio-station-says-Russian-pilot,27319

    ______________________________________________________________

    russia military equipment, jets, planes, all sold to sudan, photographed in darfur, breaking the embargo on arms

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302088.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551053/Russia-and-China-break-Darfur-arms-embargo.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6632959.stm

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550936/China-and-Russia-defy-Sudan-arms-embargo.html

    http://www.huliq.com/21202/amnesty-report-russia-china-violate-darfur-arms-embargo

    “Amnesty Accuses Russia of Violating Arms Embargo to Darfur

    http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2007/08/amnesty_accuses_russia_of_viol_1.htm

  127. says

    India and Russia are also top arms suppliers

    http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=14407

    “INDIA, RUSSIA ALSO SUPPLIERS

    India is another arms supplier to Sudan, the report said. It said India claimed to have supplied only $200,000 worth of arms, but an Indian defense firm entered into contracts worth over $17 million in 2005 “to provide battlefield surveillance radar, communication equipment and night vision equipment.”

    Russia, a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, has sold Sudan “33 new military aircraft since 2004, and has reportedly provided training, advisers and pilots for Russian aircraft in the Sudanese air force,” the report said.

    “Some Russian pilots have reportedly flown missions over Darfur,” the group added.”
    ______________________________________________________________

    SIPRI is a neutral organization, it stands for “Stockholm International Peace Research Institute”, from Sweden

    “Human Rights First” is an American based institute. It has agendas.

    http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=34494

    “Though China is frequently criticized for its arms shipments to Sudan, Russia has more quietly become Khartoum’s major arms supplier, an activity in which it has been joined by former Soviet states such as Belarus and Ukraine. A SIPRI report based on its Arms Transfers Database stated that Russia had accounted for 87 percent of Sudan’s major conventional weapons purchases in the period 2003-2007, while China was responsible for only eight percent”

    China and Sudan

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/02/sudan.jal/index.html

  128. says

    It makes me wonder what your IQ is if you think an ARAB newspaper like asharq al aswat is a “pakistani report”.

    “the leading Arabic International daily”, not “urdu international daily”

    http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=14407

    “Raw Video: Thousands Protest Corruption in India ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAkcCN6mZyE

    “Residents protest rape-murder of teen, block NH for 6 hrs”

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Residents-protest-rape-murder-of-teen-block-NH-for-6-hrs/articleshow/8184258.cms

    “Violence in India’s nuke protest”

    http://jp.reuters.com/news/video?videoChannel=200&videoId=204733170

  129. says

    “It makes me wonder what your IQ is …” — Horse

    Oh, so now it’s OK to call people stupid? Stop with the insults …

  130. says

    so its okay for Traeh to post (and sometimes spam) totally offtopic passages from “biographies” and “hadith”, but when I respond to another commenter Hermes (who went OT first since he mentioned India), suddenly I’m “changing the subject” and “offtopic”

  131. says

    Indian cultural genocide of sikkimese tibetan buddhists

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/bhutan/larmer-text/8

    “In 1975…. a rising tide of Nepali immigrants voted independent Sikkim out of existence, annexing it to India”
    ______________________________________________________________

    One account of India’s brutal military takeover of Sikkim, and the forceful expulsion of its Tibetan Buddhist King.

    http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/35/Nation/9621

    “King Palden Thondup Namgyal, the Chogyal of Sikkim was in his palace on the morning of 6 April, 1975 when the roar of army trucks climbing the steep streets of Gangtok brought him running to the window. There were Indian soldiers everywhere, they had surrounded the palace, and short rapid bursts of machine gun fire could be heard. Basanta Kumar Chhetri, a 19-year-old guard at the palace’s main gate, was struck by a bullet and killed-the first casualty of the takeover. The 5,000-strong Indian force didn’t take more than 30 minutes to subdue the palace guards who numbered only 243. By 12.45 it was all over, Sikkim ceased to exist as an independent kingdom.

    Captured palace guards, hands raised high were packed into trucks and taken away, singing: “Dela sil, li gi, gang changka chibso” (may my country keep blooming like a flower). But by the, the Indian tri-colour had replaced the Sikkimese flag at the palace where the 12th king of the Namgyal dynasty was held prisoner. “The Chogyal was a great believer in India. He had huge respect for Mahatma Gnadhi and Jawaharlal Nehru. Not in his wildest dreams did he think India would ever swallow up his kingdom,” recalls Captain Sonam Yongda, the Chogyal’s aide-de-camp. Nehru himself had told journalist Kuldip Nayar in 1960: “Taking a small country like Sikkim by force would be like shooting a fly with a rifle.” Ironically it was Nehru’s daughter Indira Gandhi who cited “national interest” to make Sikkim the 22nd state in the Indian union.”

  132. says

    Champ

    The problem with Horse is that every skirmish he’s lost
    – he calls people names and then whines, when people pay him back

    – creates a strawman about some Arab newspaper and then spanks the strawman – of course, upon immediately being proved wrong – quickly tries to change topics

    – in a discussion on Darfur, loses the battle quickly and then has been trying to change the topic for the last 2 posts to something completely different about India

    – and oh! yeah – where he does not succeed – quickly makes up stuff, like the gobbledegook trick

    ….and then whines trying to get people’s sympathy.

    Finally, he thinks that bringing up the issue of “Buddhist Tibetians” is a winning story for a Chinese.

  133. says

    from champ- “Instead you frequently call people “idiot’s” …”morons” …”fools”, which are all on par with the words you find objectionable. ”
    ______________________________________________________________

    I cannot find a single instance of me calling AJack any names here, nor on any other posts, I checked all my comments here-

    AJack claims- “he calls people names and then whines, when people pay him back”

    Nope- where did i call Ajack a name? and AJack has still not explained why Indian’s child temple prostitution, worshipping and eating rats, drinking cow urine, and marrying dogs is ok. He keeps whining about “fetus eating”- all hearsay from from tabloid websites, not reliable news agencies, and instances of cannibalism from history in the cultural revolution.

    He says nothing about child sex, rat worship, allowing rats to poop all over your food, drinking cow urine, and marrying dogs, all currently practiced in India.

    He falsely claimed that Christian nagas were “forcibly converting” people.

    He seems to think “people protesting” automatically means those people are right about what they protest, not offering any proof at all.

    he does not answer about India’s military invasion of Goa, oppression of the Naga and Sikkimese.

  134. says

    AJack,

    Exactly …I’ve noticed the same tap dance routine from Horse, which is what we’ve come to expect from mohammedans.

    I mean perverted-prophet muhammad certainly wasn’t a very nice guy – which is putting it mildly, right?! So it stands to reason that people who identify with this evil man would be unkind and evil as well.

  135. says

    Horse >> “instances of cannibalism from history in the cultural revolution”

    There goes Horse with his/its dishonesty…but, I understand, that this kind of dishonesty is inherent in a Muslim/Chinese.

    See my post of 2:17 pm, May 6 for references on Chinese habits.

    Continuing – more incoherent profanity directed at me, from Horse…which he now seems to deny
    Horse >> “Ajack should stop talking jack crap before he opens his mouth”….

    More insults and strawman bashing….
    Horse >> “It makes me wonder what your IQ is if you think an ARAB newspaper like asharq al aswat is a “pakistani report”

    Of course, knowing Horse’s inherent dishonesty we’ll probably need to quote him….(May 5, 2:34 pm post)

    [A Pakistani writer writes on the arrogance of Indian muslims and their attitude here…] – Horse.

    Of course, he seems always ready to whitewash the foetus-slurping habits of Chinese, their enablement of genocide in Darfur or cannibalism spread throughout Chinese recent history.

  136. says

    from champ- “Instead you frequently call people “idiot’s” …”morons” …”fools”, which are all on par with the words you find objectionable. ”

    Horse,

    I wrote, “you frequently call people”, so I made no reference about AJack in my above comment, but I was referring to many others. Yes, you have leveled one insult after another to MANY posters on Jihad Watch.

    But …

    Here is what you DID write to AJack:

    “It makes me wonder what your IQ is …”

    You basically called him “stupid” in this comment, Horse, so stop denying your shenanigans.

  137. says

    champ selectively remembers who or who did not post “manure”, depending on whether they were islamophobic or not.

    oddly differing reactions from champ regarding a user AJack who personally attacked me, claiming I ate human fetuses, when i responded that he was a hijra and asked him how cow urine tasted, Champ seems to think that claiming someone else eats fetuses isn’t a personal attack- champ seems to not be able to see it-

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785956

  138. says

    Exactly champ – we also see this inane ability to play Muslim about facts…

    First Horse claims, that he did not direct any profanity at me, in the following statement:

    Horse >> [“Where did i utter a curse word against him or profanity?”]

    But from his own post a little while ago… incoherent profanity directed at me, from Horse…

    Horse >> “Ajack should stop talking jack crap before he opens his mouth”….

    Of course, this is in addition to taking pot-shots at my IQ.

    More dishonesty…

    Horse’s claim on the Darfur thread: [He (Ajack)seems to think “people protesting” automatically means those people are right about what they protest, not offering any proof at all.]

    Even assuming that people can figure out what I’m thinking… – please note Horse’s claim of “no proof at all” clause but reality is, that I offered the following:

    => Human Rights First – which openly clearly claims that 90% of small arms to Sudan come from China

    => Panorama’s video that demonstrates weapons from China in Darfur

    Horse is dishonest with amazing consistency – and then starts whining when people catch on to the repeated instances of his dishonesty.

  139. says

    “-Shokujin Enseki – Massatsu sareta Chugoku Gendaishi (Cannibal Banquet – Modern Chinese History Erased) (Tokyo: Kodansha Kappa Books, 1993)”

    AJack again quotes Japanese publisher and author with no credentials from western academics.

    “scarlet memorial” was about cannibalism during the cultural revolution.

    Ajack says-

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785815

    “Ming dynasty (1368-1644) novel Water Margin, also known as All Men Are Created Equal, describing a group of villains who sell human meat as beef, as well as other characters who eat human flesh.”

    I did not know a novel qualified as an accurate description of the people who wrote it. a novel is Fiction

    I guess since the Fictional story “Harry Potter” was written in Britain, then Britain must be full of witches and wizards

  140. says

    indeed AJack, its time to tell the difference between fiction and reality, since you cited a novel as one of you sources

  141. says

    …”stop talking jack crap before he opens his mouth” — Horse

    OK, saying “jack crap” is on par with the kind of words you had reported as profanity, so it appears that you also have a double standard – in addition to your credibility & respectability problem.

  142. says

    “jack crap” is not profanity. “Crap” is not a curse word, nor is “jack”

    And i said it in response to your totally false claim that Naga christians were “forcibly converting” people

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785571

    strange how India is the one who suppressed the Magas, and I posted an Indian news story on how a Naga girls was RAPED by an indian man, and AJack projects the crime onto the victim

    http://news.oneindia.in/2009/10/26/naga-girl-raped-and-murder-itt-delhi-scholar-held.html

    the SIPRI report is Swedish, its unbiased, and says russia sold more weapons to sudan

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785571

    Russian military equipment was PHOTOGRAPHED in darfur- in addition to that Russian pilot having been shot down- no chinese pilots are serving as mercenaries

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302088.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1551053/Russia-and-China-break-Darfur-arms-embargo.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6632959.stm

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550936/China-and-Russia-defy-Sudan-arms-embargo.html

    http://www.huliq.com/21202/amnesty-report-russia-china-violate-darfur-arms-embargo

    “Amnesty Accuses Russia of Violating Arms Embargo to Darfur

    http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2007/08/amnesty_accuses_russia_of_viol_1.htm

  143. says

    The Cultural revolution as aimed at DESTROYING traditional chinese culture.

    during the cultural revolution, Maoist Red Guards smashed traditional chinese artwork, artifacts, burned religious texts, broke temples and mosques, and attacked religious clergy, buring Confucian texts and attacking traditional chinese culture

    “Destruction of Chinese cultures and traditional values”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Olds

    These cannibals, the red guards during the revolution wanted to DESTROY chinese culture.
    ______________________________________________________________
    “The treasure-trove of evidence Zheng Yi has unearthed offers unprecedented insights into the way the internecine, factional struggles of the Cultural Revolution reached a horrifying level of insanity and frenzy among the ethnic Zhuang people of Guangxi”
    ______________________________________________________________

    And the Zhuang people are not chinese.. their native language is Zhuang, NOT chinese.

  144. says

    Swedes are neutral, they are have never been involved in Chinese, islamic, or american affairs, and stayed neutral during world war 2.

    Their report on Sudan arms coming mostly from Russia is far more reliable

  145. says

    “He seems to be a baldfaced liar and a calculating manipulator. He does not argue in good faith.”
    ______________________________________________________________

    Lets take a look at Mr Traeh manipulating (and outright lying) about facts about muslims in China-

    not only that, Traeh put words into my mouth, and lied again, claiming I attacked Hinduism, when I never attacked hindusim, i criticized indian racism, not their religion-

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785566

    in addition, Traeh spams totally OT passages about the “biography of muhammad” and “Communism and Islam” when this topic is about pakistan and its neighbors

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785580

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785904

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785933

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785951

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785973

    quotes an Off topic passage of qur’an

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785977

    traeh again quotes offtopic copy and paste comment

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785979

    again traeh posts irrelevant muhammad biography, way off topic

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/pakistan-warns-us-of-disastrous-consequences-for-any-more-bin-laden-style-raids.html#comment-785982

    Lets, see, thats EIGHT TIMES traeh made spam posts OT on this thread alone.

    To add to that, he posts Hundreds of off topic spam from the hadith, biography of muhammad, some of which have absolutely nothing to do with the article

    http://www.google.ca/webhp?hl=fr#hl=fr&biw=975&bih=628&q=traeh+hadith+volume+sahih+bukhari++site:jihadwatch.org&oq=traeh+hadith+volume+sahih+bukhari++site:jihadwatch.org&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2057l4327l0l14l11l1l0l0l3l233l1524l2.6.2&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=4ef0b79740fbce8c

  146. says

    Hermes Epicureous wrote, relying to “Horse”:

    I took a second look at your long post (right after I sent you my stinging reply), and realized that you are trying a hackneyed trick, called “throw all kinds of shit against the wall, and see what sticks.”
    ……………………………..

    Very true, Hermes”this is a frequent tactic of “Horse”. He hopes that if he is able to catch some poster out on some minor point of obscure Chinese or Indian history, that he will be able to completely discredit them, and hence any idea that Jihad is a threat.

    I imagine, too, that he simply hopes to baffle some readers, who may then lose the main point entirely.

    More, from “Horse”:

    let me repeat myself-

    India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam.

    Anyone who doesn’t know that India has had three muslims presidents, Zakir Hussain Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Abdul Kalam, has a brain composed of the substance you mentioned.
    ……………………………..

    Another frequent tactic of his”vociferously defending some point, hence giving the idea that someone has actually denied some small, easily proven issue. Never mind that no one here has denied India’s having had Muslim presidents.

    Then he gets around to implying that AJack is using ethnic slurs like “gook” when he uses the term “gobbledegook” or “chink” when he says “In any case, I wanted to point out the chinks in his thinking”.

    Absurd and calumny. This is like claiming that the term “niggardly” is a slur against African Americans, or that the term “spic and span” is an insult to Hispanics.

    The worst thing about “Horse’s” endless crap, though, is what a distraction it is. No one is discussing Pakistan’s blatant support of Jihad terror, because they have to refute “Horse’s” ludicrous claims.

  147. says

    “Traeh does not lie, Horse.”
    ______________________________________________________________
    TRUTH ALERT!

    Traeh says irrelavant statements about hinduism- yet I never criticized Hinduism, i criticized Indians

    No, liar, this is about Muslims versus everyone else. You are the one who continually emphasizes ethnic categories here, and tries to hide the fact that the issue is in fact ideological: Islamic doctrine is totalitarian. For example: Muslims invaded India and killed tens of millions there and destroyed thousands of Hindu temples. The Hindus never invaded Arabia.

    what I actually said the first time About Indians and hindus, I never criticized Hinduism as a religion, or attacked its holy texts, or said and bad things about it.

    What I attacked was Indian culture, and Indian racism and Indian self conceit NOT Hindu racism or conceit.

    Before, on another post here, I was not criticizing hindus, I have a dislike for Indians in General regardless of their religion, I was pointin out to DDA that Pakistanis do not like Indian muslims, and neither do I, since they are arrogant and ethnocentric

    There are Non indian Hindus in bali, indonesia, I have no problem with the

    my comment- I have met them before, Indian muslims are indeed “self-conceited”, since they think that being Indian makes them superior and that India is the greatest country in the world. They think that India should be able to do whatever it wants and abuse other countries. I believe that they, like Hindu Indians, are also quite racist, especially northern indians from punjab. Northern Indians don’t let their women marry non Indians.Indian muslims aren’t different from Hindus, former Indian President Abdul Kalam who is a muslim continued India’s detrimental activities towards minorities in northeast India and its expansionist aims. ]

    traeh says-

    “Hinduism, whatever its flaws, is not a totalitarian system bent on world domination. Islam is. That’s the key difference. “

    He says that as if I attacked the hindu religion. I never did. I criticized Indians, both hindu and muslim.

    I mentioned this fact- Hui Generals controlling provinces in northwest China, Qinghai, gansu, and ningxia provinces, BEFORE the communist takeover, and the local Imams banned the salafis returning from saudi arabia and made them illegal.

    “India allows their Salafi hate Imam Zakir Naik to spill BS freely and poison the minds of millions of Indian muslims but in China Al salafiyya was banned and attacked by the Imams, and Hui Generals banned the Salafis from Saudi Arabia.”

    Traeh, assuming that he is a know it all, not only falsely claims that “islam is watered down in China” (#1, i was talking about pre communist China, #2, the sufi orders are still intact, we have our qur’ans, some of us know arabic, islam is very much real, to your chagrin, in China)

    #3, he goes on to tell a lie and falsely claims china made a fake second dalai lama- wRONG, it was the panchen lama.

    “And if it’s true that Horse’s Hui Muslims in Western China are somewhat “moderate,” that’s surely because the Chinese dictatorship will only accept extremely watered-down forms of Islam, and brutally crushes anything else. I’m not impressed by the allegiance of friend Horse to the Chinese government’s approved form of Islam. Chinese officially approved Islam is no more genuine than the fake Dalai Lama the Chinese government tried to designate for Tibet.”

    over here, the Traeh displays his “intelligence” again-

    Me over here talking about Muslims in Taiwan and thailand, in addition to China

    traeh goes on to repeat his false claim that islam in China is watered down, that a second dalai lama was installed, and seems to think that the jurisdiction of the Chinese government extends to thailand, since he apparently did not address either Thailand or taiwan separately

    “dumbledoresarmy, If Muslims in Western China are somewhat “moderate,” as Horse constantly tells us, that’s in part because the Chinese dictatorship will only accept extremely watered-down forms of Islam, and brutally crushes anything else. Chinese government-approved Islam is no more genuine than the fake Dalai Lama the Chinese government tried to impose on Tibet.”

    traeh claimed that China installed a second dalai lama.

    Its the panchen lama, not the dalai lama

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyancain_Norbu

    my response to traeh’s original comment

    the only thing traeh could say next was a spelling correction, and could not respond to what I pointed out. He then spams a passage from a biography of muhammad, which has nothing to do with pakistan

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    Horse …

    I wrote Robert Spencer and directed him to your comments on this thread …oh, and thank for providing your last entry – which further proves how disruptive and abusive you are to others.

    I intend to notify Robert regularly as to your lying and abuse (and I encourage others to do the same). Robert needs to be made aware of your nonsense.

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    “disastrous consequences” ???

    Maybe Pakistan would prefer to be cruise missled back into the stone age. Meaningless threats…almost pitiable. Like a barking dog with no teeth.

    We need to get off mid east oil and let these sand jockeys kill themselves.