Raymond Ibrahim to speak at college in Washington State, Hamas-linked CAIR howling

UPDATE: Victory! Everett college officials decline to cancel talk by writer Raymond Ibrahim (thanks to Mackie). Thanks to all Jihad Watch readers who wrote to Everett officials in Raymond's defense against Hamas-linked CAIR.

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They always howl when someone exposes the truth about the global jihad and Islamic supremacism. The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) consistently opposes anti-terror measures, has misrepresented the political and supremacist nature of Sharia in efforts to combat anti-Sharia legislation, and more. CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case -- so named by the Justice Department. CAIR operatives have repeatedly refused to denounce Hamas and Hizballah as terrorist groups. Several former CAIR officials have been convicted of various crimes related to jihad terror. CAIR's cofounder and longtime Board chairman (Omar Ahmad), as well as its chief spokesman (Honest Ibe Hooper), have made Islamic supremacist statements.

This is the group trying to dictate to Everett Community College on its choice of speakers, and defaming a freedom fighter in the process. Free Americans should not let this unsavory Hamas-linked gang of thugs get away with this.

"EvCC event could undermine clear understanding of Islam," by Arsalan Bukhari, executive director of the Washington State chapter of Hamas-linked CAIR, in HeraldNet, May 4:

As part of its yearlong "Islam in America" lecture series, Everett Community College has invited the controversial speaker and writer Raymond Ibrahim to give a lecture on Thursday. This series of events, funded by a grant from the National Endowment for the Humanities, gives a much-needed boost to the understanding of Islam, but I fear that this particular event will go a long way toward undermining that goal.

Indeed, by inviting a known conspiracy theorist with a history of making unfounded claims about Islam, the college is doing a disservice to the public and risks creating a hostile learning environment for its students. Mr. Ibrahim's views have been questioned elsewhere. He resigned under pressure from the Library of Congress for using his title of research librarian to promote his arguments. His strategy is similar to that employed by Minister Louis Farrakhan who, in his latest book, used the contents of the Talmud to support his anti-Semitic theories.

Note the irony in Bukhari's use of Farrakhan, whose antisemitic statements are routinely echoed by imams in the Islamic world. And Raymond Ibrahim did not, in fact, resign under pressure from the Library of Congress; he resigned of his own free will.

In reality, Raymond Ibrahim is supremely competent to speak about Islam at Everett Community College or anywhere else. He is Middle Eastern by origin (Bukhari can’t call him a “racist”); he is fluent in Arabic (and studied in the Center of Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University, where he got straight A’s); his M.A. thesis was about Islam; and he worked in the Near East section of Library of Congress. He is the author of The Al Qaeda Reader, and is currently associate director of the Middle East Forum. He has served as a guest lecturer at the National Defense Intelligence College in Washington, DC, and has testified before Congress on "extremist ideologies."

Mr. Ibrahim often supports his anti-Muslim theories by taking Islamic teachings and skewing them to support a point. That's why over 60 Puget Sound area interfaith and community leaders sent a joint letter to the college calling on them to cancel the event.

Despite this, the college has decided to go forward with the event, so in order to enable the reader to attend this lecture from a knowledgeable position, I will address several of Mr. Ibrahim's misleading claims.

Mr. Ibrahim has suggested that Muslims must be disloyal to America because Islam contains a "mandate for Muslims to be loyal to fellow Muslims and Islam." In reality, Muslims must obey the laws of the land they live in, unless Islamic law specifically prohibits following a law. They may challenge unjust laws, but only through peaceful, and, in essence, democratic methods.

Yes, we see the peaceful, democratic methods that Muslims are using all over the world these days to affect change, from Indonesia and Thailand and the Philippines to Nigeria, not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan. And "Muslims must obey the laws of the land they live in," but in classic Islamic theology this is only a temporary stage, corresponding to Muhammad's Meccan period: when Muslims are weak and the infidels are strong, Muslims must obey the laws of the land. But in Medina, after moving from Mecca, Muhammad began to wage defensive jihad and then offensive jihad -- and traditionally the various schools of Islamic jurisprudence have taught that Muslims must obey the laws of the land until they gain sufficient power to impose Islamic law.

Moreover, according to a 2007 Pew Research Survey, American Muslims have a positive view of American society and are highly assimilated. Indeed, American Muslims work as paramedics, firefighters and police officers, and more than 3,700 American Muslims serve in the U.S. armed forces.

Irrelevant. None of that indicates in any way that they don't want to impose Sharia when possible, and the many stealth jihad initiatives in the U.S. demonstrate that many of these paramedics, firefighters and police officers have just that on their minds.

Nonetheless, Mr. Ibrahim has argued that when devout Muslims move to America, "this invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah." The 2007 Pew Survey challenges this assertion, showing that most American Muslims believe that Muslim immigrants "should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society." And nearly two-thirds don't see a conflict between "being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."

Note Bukhari's sleight of hand: Raymond Ibrahim is saying that Muslims believe they must live "in accordance to the divine laws of Allah," and Bukhari invokes poll data showing that Muslims think they should "try and adopt American customs." Yet "customs" are one thing and "divine laws" another. Is Bukhari saying that Muslims should set aside what they believe to be divine laws in favor of American customs? Somehow I doubt it.

Not only that, but devout Muslims who regularly attend mosque are more likely to participate in politics and to see Islam as compatible with the American political system than less religious Muslims, according to the Muslim American Public Opinion Survey conducted by researchers at the University of Washington and Harvard University. Plainly, American Muslims don't see a conflict between living in America and practicing Islam.

Fine. But do American Muslims see a conflict between the U.S. Constitution and practicing Islam? Bukhari doesn't say.

Another of Mr. Ibrahim's unfounded claims is that "Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world, until the former subsumes the latter." This claim can be rejected on its face: There are more than 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth and clearly the vast majority of them are not engaged in a violent battle for domination.

"I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah." -- Muhammad (Sahih Muslim 30)

"Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war...When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them." -- Muhammad (Sahih Muslim 4294)

In light of such teachings (and there are many more like them) from the prophet of Islam, the supreme example of conduct for the Muslim (cf. Qur'an 33:21), what is the significance of the fact that "there are more than 1.6 billion Muslims [actually fewer] on Earth and the vast majority of them are not engaged in a violent battle for domination"? Does it mean that this vast majority doesn't believe that "Islam must dominate, and not be dominated," as Muhammad also said? Maybe some don't, but others live where Islam already dominates (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, etc. etc. etc.) and so there are few infidels around to try to subjugate. Others may simply prefer to deal with other things in their lives, but this doesn't mean that Islam doesn't teach warfare against and the subjugation of unbelievers, any more than the fact that many Christians don't love their enemies means that Jesus didn't tell them to do so.

Still, there are many people, including Muslims, who engage in terrorism and I join Mr. Ibrahim in wholeheartedly condemning all terrorist attacks, regardless of who commits them.

However, a narrow focus on acts of terrorism committed by Muslims contributes to the false impression that Muslims are the leading perpetrators of terrorism. In fact, a 2005 FBI report on terrorism shows that between 1980 and 2005, only 6 percent of U.S. terror attacks were committed in the name of Islam.

And even if this were true, which it isn't, would this small percentage mean that it would somehow be improper to examine and understand the motives and goals of the perpetrators of those 6 percent?

In addition, American Muslims are victims of both terrorism and hate crimes. More than 50 Muslim first responders and office workers were among those killed in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. In the last six months, there have been 10 documented anti-Muslim hate crimes in the Northwest alone.

Given Hamas-linked CAIR's track record of publicizing fake hate crimes, I take this with a large grain of salt.

It is misleading claims such as Mr. Ibrahim's that cause American Muslims to be looked upon with such fear and uncertainty. The reader would do well, when evaluating his lecture, to ask whether his claims would be acceptable if they were made about Jews, African Americans, Mormons, or any other minority group -- and whether it would be appropriate for a college to give a platform to someone known for making such claims.

Yes, I remember when Jews, African Americans, and Mormons were committing terror attacks and making supremacist statements, and claiming victim status whenever anyone looked into why this kept happening.

Raymond Ibrahim must speak at Everett Community College. And when he does, I hope he exposes Hamas-linked CAIR.

CONTACT the college to ask that it not cave in to Hamas-linked CAIR's efforts to intimidate them into rescinding Raymond Ibrahim’s invitation to speak.

Dr. David Beyer
President Everett Community College
Office of the President
Olympus 203
Mail Stop 400
2000 Tower Street
Everett, Washington 98201

E-mail: dbeyer@everettcc.edu
Copy to: director@jihadwatch.org; info@cair.com

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I just got The Al Qaeda Reader. Looking forward to reading it. I'm trying to understand how the global jihad is justified in the minds of many Muslims and hopefully this'll shed some light on that.

Robert, it's more than a stylistic point; it's a point of ideological accuracy. The concept of a "Muslim American" does NOT exist. Rather, the correct description is a Muslim living in America, nothing more. Muslims have no affinity or loyalty to America or the concept of Americanism. And they will be the first to tell us.

Obviously CAIR is scared of Raymond Ibrahim's skill and knowledge, and so it tries to smear, censor, and ban him from speaking.

'Jihadwatch' commenters know about his ability to argue a case on Islam.
His knowledge on the Islamic persecution of Christian Copts in Egypt is, of course, considerable.

Raymond deserves, and may need, all our support.

For those of you in the AO, here is the ECC link with time and directions.

If you can support Raymond, you should.

Mr. Ibrahim has suggested that Muslims must be disloyal to America because Islam contains a "mandate for Muslims to be loyal to fellow Muslims and Islam." In reality, Muslims must obey the laws of the land they live in, unless Islamic law specifically prohibits following a law.

Do you think this clown can even comprehend his own contradiction? There is no "unless"...you either follow the law of the land or you don't. You know the whole lot of muslims are in a conspiracy when they all spew the same talking points, Keith Ellison included. It is so wonderful to see that less people are falling for the same lame BS.

One can be an American patriot or one can be a devout Muslim but it is impossible to be both. This is the essence of it all and to the extent that anyone disagrees with this assessment they are either manifesting their ignorance or their mendacity.

I don't deny there are some Muslims in America who, not knowing very well what their faith really teaches, sincerely believe that there is no incompatibility between being a good American citizen and a good Muslim. But they are wrong. Islam and the Constitution of the United States of America are polar opposites in respect to so much, most especially respecting the matter of liberty. People should be free to criticize ANY religion, people should be free to convert to another religion if they so choose and people should be able to seek converts from believers in another faith if that is their desire. The Constitution guarantees these freedoms. Islam doesn't. Anyone out there care to refute me on this?

No. You're right, sharia is wrong.

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"Yes, we see the peaceful, democratic methods that Muslims are using all over the world these days to affect change, from Indonesia and Thailand"

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Correction-

"Yes, we see the peaceful, democratic methods that Malays are using all over the world these days to affect change, from Indonesia and Thailand"

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Malays are the only muslims commiting violence in Thailand, the Thai King respects the rights of Thai muslims and Hui in northern Thailand, and Muslims serve in the Thai military like General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, former commander in chief of the thai army and interior minister Aree Wongsearaya.

After ousting the government in a bloodless coup in 2006, Sonthi played a large part in constructing the current Thai constitution which is in effect today.

http://nationmultimedia.com/2006/12/31/politics/politics_30022963.php

He was responsible for protecting democracy in Thailand.

And also, the Thai king over 100 years ago was very wise to welcome hui merchants, soldiers, etc. from China to settle down in Chiang mai province of thailand and provide funds for mosque building and giving them awards, all non malay muslims, like Thai muslims and Hui respect the King in THailand.

Yes we see the brave Horse running away when asked questions...Are you going to run away today Horse?

Now that Dr.Sheema Khan from the old CAIR-Canada (Hamas days) has left and the new CAIR-canada opposes terrorism, here's is CAIR admission that Osama WAS behind 9/11 .
But, take note how CAIR praises Pres. BHO for declaring Osama is not a Muslim or has ties to Islam.

http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=3117_0_2_0_C


Oh really , so why did the head of CAIR-canada just go on the radio to agree that the Photo of Osama should not be shown because it may incite Muslims in Canada to violence.
But BHO said he wasn't a Muslim, so why is CAIR presupposing riots and terrorism in canada to show a picture of a non-Muslim who ordered 19 non-Muslims to murder 1000's of civilians on 9/11 .

duh swami's question- "Ducking bobbing and weaving huh Horse pucky?...Answer the question about my English Quran coward...is it the word of Allah or not?"

I already gave my answer, the arabic quran is final, all the way up here, but duh swami didn't see it as he went straight down to the bottom of the page and only read my comment on the CIA, perhaps duh swami is the one who ducking and running away.

and referring to yourself in the third person as duh swami does here is a classic sign of mental illness.

the english language version is not to be used at all for interpretation, only for reading by muslims whose native langauge is english. the Qur'an was never translated into many languages muslims speak in Africa, and in China, the Qur'an has only been used in Arabic for hundreds of years, onlt over 120 years ago did Ma Dexin transalted the qur'an from arabic inot chinese.

You hold the microscope so closely to yourself that you ignore the telescope right by your side. Stop it, for God's sake, with the never ending defense of the Hui. Enough already.

Your parochialism is counter-productive to your "cause." The larger picture here is the many freedom-crushing aspects of Islamic doctrine (e.g., death for apostasy or daring to preach another faith to a Muslim). Virtually no one cares if a particular group of Muslims, e.g., the Hui, have not seen fit to enforce Islam's many draconian doctrines. The great totalitarian menace which is Islam is the issue at hand. Think more broadly, far more broadly. That is, assuming that you're able, which many here at JW, quite understandably, doubt that you are.

And while you're at it, how do you reconcile Islam with freedom, including the freedom to criticize any religion, the freedom to preach one's faith (including, say, a Christian to a Muslim) to someone else without fear of retribution and to convert from Islam to another religion? Be specific and please don't provide ad nauseam many links to articles. Say what YOU think. Yeah, you alone. Write what you believe, divorced from aritcles you assume substantiate your point. Tired, so tired, of directing us to other people's ideas. State what you think and believe. Clear enough?

Wellington, always a pleasure to read your well thought comments. You are clearly the light at the end of the tunnel. Don't comment much myself, but want to says as others here at JW have stated. Your analysis is well appreciated.

I provide articles because I've been randomly accused of "taquiyya and kitman", even though I have never heard those two things before in my life until I heard islamophobes mention them.

I have said I am against people getting killed for homosexuality and apostasy- I get accused of "taquyya", when I provide no links

You think I'm stupid? You are trying to lead me into a Catch 22. You know full well that DDA keeps calling any muslim who speaks his mind on here a "taquiyya artist", if they provide no links or articles. THen he jumps into how I am practicing "taquiyya and kitman" if i say what I think.

You have tried to "correct" my post when I posted no links, most notably when I (correctly) noted that White Russians lived in 1930's Xinjiang province of China, and due to the lack of links, and your arrogance, you assumed your claim was right, which was wrong.
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and I am only mentioning hui on here since thailand is mentioned in the article. You guys stop talking about thailand, China, taiwan, or anything of that sort, forever, then I will stop with it, because you are trying to smear the name of muslims in Thailand, China, Taiwan. You guys have never met muslims from Thailand, China, or Taiwan.

one search of "jihadwatch thailand" or "jihadwatch China", brings dozens of links on a search engine. Its really getting obnoxious. Someone looking for information on Thai muslims on the internet, will get directed straight to an article on a suicide bombing or an attack, which is being done by MALAYS only, and has no idea about Thai and hui muslims living peacefully and serving in the Thai military.
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Some indonesia and malaysia articles relating to Chinese are also starting to appear everywhere, such comments like this one on DDA on indonesian muslims "killing" chinese christians are an insult to the chinese community in indonesia, because first of all, those indonesians that did it weren't muslim, and second they attacked Chinese because they were racist, not because they were non muslim

in addition, the habit of posting articles on here is something many JWatchers practice in an obnoxious manner, namely DDA who posts links on some of his comments, and constantly citing people like bat yeor, copying and pasting their text. He has copied and pasted countless works by authors who openly admit their hatred of islam like bat yeor and Jacques Ellul

In short- we don't appreciate being used. You are trying to use Malay and indonesian attacks on chinese to further your agenda, not because you care so much about Chinese in indonesia and malaysia, and you are using examples of Malays belowing up thai civilians, as an example of how muslims are "dangerous", when real Thai buddhists, who live with thai muslims and Hui in north thailand, don't appreciate your sentiment. muslims like General Sonthi who served in the Thai military don't appreciate it either.

likewise, regarding China, your usage of ethnic rioting (uyghurs in xinjiang) and claiming its all about Islam is offensive, as is DDA's obnoxious comments on how all muslims should be kicked out of china and thailand. In Taiwan, there is no religious problems going on, and we don't want westerners to introduce religious problems.- we have received state funds to build the Taipei grand mosque and many muslims served in the military and officer corp.

Stop trying to sound smart, because you aren't. you made yourself look like an idiot when you assumed you were a know it all and claimed white russians didn't exist after the 1920s, if this was a forum were people of all ideologies, not just islamophobes congregated, you would not have been backed up by your fellow commentators.

an example of your fellow JWatcher Deebartok in action-

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/indonesia-pentecostal-church-firebombed.html#comment-783226

I did not know that curse words and death threats constituted "civilized" behavior.

I'm sure it's not all CAIR's fault. The people teaching at our universities are largely leftist ideologues who are undermining our country.
As far as conspiracy theorists go, just get on MEMRI.org and watch some clips from Arabic and Farsi TV for a while if you want to see real crackpots.
Ray is one of the best anti-jihadists out there, and always comes across as a first-rate scholar.

You said this...'You need to know Arabic to know the exact wordings of verses'.

I asked...Does that mean that my English Quran is wrong or incomplete?
If it is wrong or incomplete, then it cannot be the words of Allah, and is then a fraud, and since Mahoundians print them in English and give them out, it is blasphemy for them to do so...And it is blasphemy for you to suggest that any Quran, English or otherwise is not understandable to those who read and understand the language it is printed in...

I asked you if my English Quran was the word of Allah, several times, not just once, you ignored it...So answer it now, Is My English Quran the word of Allah or not?

from the Horse's ass! my word, you are the racist one here..how about asking the families of the Thai people who had their loved ones killed by islamists. What about the Hindu of India? It is the muslim who are the invaders here and impose their death cult on everyone. it is the muslim who go about and kill their own and others if they feel their muhammud or allah to be insulted. Islam is the scourge, had their butts not been parked on oil they would still be camping with their camels in tents.

Thank you for your kind words, Weavo2. Seems from the latest replies from Horse that he's as obtuse as ever---and full of insults---and still not answering duh_swami's challenge (nor mine about 4:34 in the Koran).

Same old same old and so typical of the Muslim mindset. It's almost as though, if a Muslim, a person becomes another species, unrecognizable to those who are just ordinary humans, who know Islam and who won't put up with the Joseph Goebbels type obfuscations that Muslims engage in on a regular basis. Islam does terrible things to the human mind. Just awful, horribly distorting stuff. Very sad. What a waste of life.

duh swami is as blind as ever.

I already answered his question, even going to the lenghts of html formatting two links, one leading to his question and one to my response, about 8 comments above this one.

I'll even post a link so this illiterate nutter can take a look at it again, even though all he needs to do is scroll up.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/raymond-ibrahim-to-speak-at-college-in-washington-state-hamas-linked-cair-howling.html#comment-785226

Muslims may get a pass on terrorism with the rote "tiny-minority-of-extremists" canard, but CAIR and other American-Muslim advocacy groups must be called to account for the oppressive treatment of infidels inside of Darul Islam...the use of Friday prayers to ignite mass pogroms and church burnings in Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia...and all of this in the supposed "moderate" Muslim countries named above.

just in case the illiterate nutter duh swami doesn't have the intelligence to click on the link to where i showed my answer, I think i need to directly post it again, since I answered his question already on the other thread and he could not see it.

duh swami's question- "Ducking bobbing and weaving huh Horse pucky?...Answer the question about my English Quran coward...is it the word of Allah or not?"

I already gave my answer, the arabic quran is final, all the way up here, but duh swami didn't see it as he went straight down to the bottom of the page and only read my comment on the CIA, perhaps duh swami is the one who ducking and running away.

the english language version is not to be used at all for interpretation, only for reading by muslims whose native langauge is english. the Qur'an was never translated into many languages muslims speak in Africa, and in China, the Qur'an has only been used in Arabic for hundreds of years, onlt over 120 years ago did Ma Dexin transalted the qur'an from arabic inot chinese.


I wholly agree with what Weaver02 wrote, Wellington ...

And I wanted to respond to this comment made by Horse to you:

..."if this was a forum were people of all ideologies, not just islamophobes congregated, you would not have been backed up by your fellow commentators."

I find it somewhat entertaining and very ironic that hes labeled us all islamophobes, yet he takes great umbrage to being called a taqiyya artist. Hmm, seems he can dish it out, but he obviously can't take it. Also, since hes made himself out to be a bright & shining example among moderate muslims in China, Thai, etc - then I would hate to meet those on the fringe within his community. Fantastic, his particular sect won't blow up any buildings and/or murder innocent people - which is truly wonderful, really - but I wouldn't even care to sit down and enjoy a cup of coffee with someone, like him, due to how unpleasant an experience it would prove to be. And I dare say, if his goal is to show the world that those within his particular sect are a sweet, loving and humble people - then he may want to use a differnt tact, and pronto.

"You guys have never met muslims from Thailand, China, or Taiwan."

We don't need to meet muslims from every place on the globe. Understanding islam is enough.

"Someone looking for information on Thai muslims on the internet, will get directed straight to an article on a suicide bombing or an attack, which is being done by MALAYS only"

And 'MALAYS only' stands for MALAY MUSLIMS only, i guess :) They donot commit attacks because of their ethnicity.

CAIR: "...Mr. [Raymond] Ibrahim has argued that when devout Muslims move to America, "this invariably will compromise what many of them profess to be their ultimate priority: living in accordance to the divine laws of Allah." The 2007 Pew Survey challenges this assertion, showing that most American Muslims believe that Muslim immigrants "should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society."

Rebuttal: The 2007 Pew Survey didn't ask Muslims whether they supported sharia law or specific elements of sharia law, so CAIR's comments here are misleading at best. The only such poll I'm aware of was conducted only on a sample of Muslims in Michigan some years ago, and it showed that the majority supported sharia in Muslim lands.

(Why is it that these pollsters always seem to avoid asking American Muslims if they want sharia in non-Muslim lands such as the U.S.? Nonetheless, data from U.K. Muslims indicate that the majority of them want Islamic blasphemy laws to be imposed on non-Muslims in non-Muslim lands who criticize Islam.)

Regarding Bukhari's claim:

    In fact, a 2005 FBI report on terrorism shows that between 1980 and 2005, only 6 percent of U.S. terror attacks were committed in the name of Islam.

This is subject to the "fallacy of range" -- that is, selectively choose the range of your data, and you can prove almost anything. In this case, the further back you go in time (here to 1980), the less the percentage of today's Islamic terrorist acts are going to be. If you look at the relevant period -- now and the recent past --the overwhelming percentage of deadly terrorist attacks (94% by my count) are Islamic. In other words, the statement above would be correct if you added the word "not" between "were" and "committed". The truth turned on its head. The lie of statistics, in a perfect example of taqiyya.

I cover this in more detail here

" In fact, a 2005 FBI report on terrorism shows that between 1980 and 2005, only 6 percent of U.S. terror attacks were committed in the name of Islam."

Ah, yes, the famous FBI terrorism report. It listed 318 terrorist acts in the U.S. in that period. But on close inspection, one finds that over 90 of these (ca. 30%) were in Puerto Rico, concerning local issues. Of those strictly in the 50 States, the largest number were committed by environmentalist and animal-rights radicals -- e.g. sabotaging timber-cutting operations, and opening the cages at mink farms. And each raid on a mink farm was counted as one incident, as was the entire 9-11 attack. That's right: 4 separate aircraft attacks, with over 3000 killed, was counted as ONE attack, just like a mink-ranch raid in which no one was killed.
The real nitty-gritty is in the fatality figures: in that 25-year period only 6% of the fatalities were NOT caused by "attacks committed in the name of Islam"
One wonders what they're smoking over at the FBI headquarters when they can present with a straight face a report equating a raid on a mink farm with the murders of over 3000 people.

In reality, Raymond Ibrahim is supremely competent to speak about Islam at Everett Community College or anywhere else. He is Middle Eastern by origin (Bukhari can’t call him a “racist”); he is fluent in Arabic (and studied in the Center of Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University, where he got straight A’s); his M.A. thesis was about Islam; and he worked in the Near East section of Library of Congress. He is the author of The Al Qaeda Reader, and is currently associate director of the Middle East Forum. And he's hot.

In reality, Raymond Ibrahim is supremely competent to speak about Islam at Everett Community College or anywhere else. He is Middle Eastern by origin (Bukhari can’t call him a “racist”); he is fluent in Arabic (and studied in the Center of Contemporary Arab Studies at Georgetown University, where he got straight A’s); his M.A. thesis was about Islam; and he worked in the Near East section of Library of Congress. He is the author of The Al Qaeda Reader, and is currently associate director of the Middle East Forum. And he's hot.

ebonystone,
Outstanding bit of scrutiny you applied there. I'm going to save that comment.

Indeed, champ, if Horse is your standard so-called moderate Muslim, reflecting upon the more enthusiastic Muslim type cannot be a pleasure whatsoever. Well, no reflection upon Islam can be pleasant except contemplating its demise. Hope you're well in this first full-week of the post-bin Laden era.

@ Horse. You wrote: 'I provide articles because I've been randomly accused of "taquiyya and kitman", even though I have never heard those two things before in my life until I heard islamophobes mention them.'

Liar!

There is no such thing as "taqiyya" or "kitman" with in China-
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search for Kitman in Chinese-Islamic/English Dictionary (中国伊斯兰教词汇表)-

http://books.google.fr/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&q=kitman#v=onepage&q=kitman&f=false

FAIL- "Aucun résultat n'a été trouvé dans ce livre pour kitman"
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search for taqiyya in Chinese Islamic Dictionary-

http://books.google.fr/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&q=taqiyya#v=onepage&q=taqiyya&f=false

FAIL- "Aucun résultat n'a été trouvé dans ce livre pour taqiyya"
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search for lie in Chinese Islamic Dictionary-

http://books.google.fr/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&q=lie#v=onepage&q=lie&f=false

FAIL- "Aucun résultat n'a été trouvé dans ce livre pour lie"
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Now search for a term that actually means something to muslims- Allah

http://books.google.fr/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&q=allah#v=snippet&q=allah&f=false

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http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

' Taqiyya Alters Islam's Rules of War'

by Raymond Ibrahim, in the Middle East Quarterly, Winter 2010.

I believe this little article should be required reading for all non-Muslim religious leaders, present and aspiring politicians, law enforcement personnel, businesspeople and journalists. It would make them a lot more wary of smiling imams and doe-eyed hijabettes.

show me where the word "taqiyya" is mentioned in the qur'an or hadith.

All Ibrahim did was was pull out certain hadiths and verses which support deception and deceit against non muslims, I can't see for one second, the word "taqiyya" or "kitman" being used in the verse.

"taqiyya" was invented by ulema in the middle east to describe a state of dissimulation, it never spread to east asia

This word is only used in the middle east. Show me your proof that "taqiyya" is taught in madrassahs in china and thailand, before accusing all muslims of engaging in a word they've never heard before. When people feel like lying, they just lie- they wouldn't need any religious justification, just like your leaders lied when they said there were WMDS in Iraq.

Hello Horse, greetings. I am an ex-Muslim.

I have read several of your comments and find you to be a very disingenuous individual. Your claim that the meaning of the Koran can not be properly understood though the study of the English language translations is absurd. And I suspect that you know this. It seems reasonable to believe that only a moron or a liar could believe otherwise. And you seem somewhat educated. I find it equally absurd that you are trying to pass yourself off as an intellectual and an expert on Islamic theology here at JW.

Islam is by far the most dangerous and intolerant ideology on earth. Muhammad is by far the most notorious criminal/mad man in all of human history. The perverse cult that that supposedly illiterate Bedouin spawned will continue to be directly responsible for the murder and misery of millions more before it is finally discredited for the hoax that it is.

Here is some food for thought, Horse... Deny it all you want, but your perfect man the prophet of Islam has stated that ex-Muslims are to be killed for “the crime” of simply leaving Islam. Islamic law has been formulated by these insane commands. How does that sit with you, Horse?

And just to let you know, Horse, although I am no saint to be sure, I do take care of my ailing mothers affairs, visit my grand parents in their respective nursing homes once a week, and am an uncle to several kids whom I dearly love. Should I too be killed like Muhammad said, Horse? Think about it.

Also, what do you make of the Koranic verses below? Are they not truly sick and evil words and commandments? Now don't forget, Horse, “Allah” has supposedly perfected your religion for you and your precious prophet Muhammad is to be emulated. Good luck buddy, you're gonna need it...

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Sob, sob, sniffle, sniffle...feelin' ignored here traeh....(jus' kiddin'...)

See my comment immediately before ebonystone's.. We make the same point, namely that the 6% figure is *inverted*, for that's the number of terrorist acts that were NOT Islamic. That is, the opposite of Bukhari's takiyya.

I did a bit more analysis of the FBI figures last October. It was in response to a loony Loonwatch article which first made the point that Bukhari is regurgitating here.

http://thebattleoftours.blogspot.com/2010/10/muslims-are-not-responsible-for.html

Cheers from Hong Kong
Peter F.

"I find it equally absurd that you are trying to pass yourself off as an intellectual and an expert on Islamic theology here at JW."

Thats strange. (sarcasm) I never claimed I was an Imam, went to religious studies at a madrassah, or even quote from the qur'an or hadith until the islamophobes started pulling out verses. I never tried to engage in theological talk, unless someone like DDA brought up an accusation of "taqiyya".

I only talk about actions, what certain people are doing and not doing, what muslims are doing and not doing, and correct blatantly obvious misconceptions (on numerous malaysia related posts, I had to point out that malaysia was a racist country with laws to protect "malay purity", and that had nothing to do with Islam)

In thailand related posts, DDA and gravenimge make insulting comments suggesting that all muslims in thailand are responsible for the bombing or whatever incident happened, yet they don't know anything about Thailand. thailand has muslim officers in its army, like General sonthi, and the king welcomed muslims into thailand over a hundred years ago and helped build mosques.

I don't recall anytime i started quoting from theology or the qur'an to explain anything, I only talk about actions, what muslims in thailand do. I was dragged into this theology sh** by traeh and wellington, who pulled out the qur'an verse about wife beating, when I wasn't even talking about religious texts, I said a fact, that female abortion rates are high in India and rape is common there, and I asked them why weren't they complaining about india and only targeting muslims, and suddenly, I get jumped with qur'an and hadith verses.

Traeh started engaging in "Hadith spamming" on multiple posts, hitting me with responses quoting random hadith, some only marginally related. I never

I know very well, and you don't, about Islam in China, thailand, taiwan, whereever the hell you are from (your last name is smith?), you shouldn't pretend to know a rats crap about east asian muslims

I find it equally absurd that you are trying to pass yourself off as an intellectual and an expert on muslims who are not of your ethnicity here at JW.

I dont give a crap that you are an ex muslim. When did I say I was an intellectual and theologian? Maybe in one of your hallucinations.

And I also came on here due to multiple obnoxious comments about deporting all muslims from thailand and china, and several blatantly wrong posts.

Two examples

one post on this site mentioned an article on a traffic accident in China in which a Han chinese (non muslim) driver accidently hit and killed a hui (muslim)

the article was about Hui protesting and demanding monetary compensation (which by law in China is required to be paid to victims), (life insurance isn't big and possibly nonexistent for poor people in China, never looked up the laws or insurance companies since I don't live there), they were protesting to the authorities for the proper compensation by law, they weren't calling for the driver of the vehicle to be lynched or killed in revenge.

Yet somehow, it was posted on this website as an "incident", in which muslims are "rioting", and "taking advantage" of the system.

I found that assumption incredibly stupid.

I'm not interested in theological debate. I'm only interested in what people do and don't do. theological discussions are counterproductive.

other posters here, like traeh, wellington, where the ones who dragged me into this theological crap by quoting the qur'an first.

and the other example is the obnoxious statements about malaysian discrimination against non malays as having to do exclusively with islam.

Malay racial supremacy, not Islam, is the key factor being malay racism.

"I know very well, and you don't, about Islam in China, thailand, taiwan, whereever the hell you are from (your last name is smith?), you shouldn't pretend to know a rats crap about east asian muslims

I find it equally absurd that you are trying to pass yourself off as an intellectual and an expert on muslims who are not of your ethnicity here at JW."

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How do you know what I do and don't know, Horse? And of course Smith is not my real last name.

You are clearly upset and agitated by what is being said here at JW. You should know that it is for your own good, buddy.

I know from considerable experience that some Muslims will never "get it". I hope for your sake that you are not one of them. As the saying goes, Horse, all that glitters is not gold. And Islam is by no means gold. For your sake I hope that one day you will see Islam for the terribly harmful fraud that it is and leave it. In my opinion, the worst thing that a person could possibly do in this life is promote and defend Islam.

By the way, have you ever considered the fact that it is possible that the claims of a religion (Islam) and its founder (Muhammad) are false? Peace and good luck to you, buddy.

You're not ignored. I was very pleased to see your 'sign in' turning up again.

@Horse. Thank you for promting me to read up a little about General Sonthi Booyaratglin. It has helped me understand some aspects little better.

Prophet of Doom is a good book to read as well. You can read it free online. The author wondered why terrorist hated us and when told thier religion commended them to he delved into the Islamic quran and hadiths. He picks them apart and gives alot of insightful commentary as he goes. there's a few things I have a different opinion on but all in all it's a great way to read the quran in chronological order with alot of historical and cultural insights added.

Posted article in the Seattle Times Last night states:

"Everett college officials decline to cancel talk by writer Raymond Ibrahim" -

-Speech is set for around 12:30 Thursday afternoon at the college

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014962637_everett05m.html

Malay racial supremacy, not Islam, is the key factor being malay racism.
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CORRECTION: HORSE'S ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS CONCEIT IS THE KEY FACTOR BEHIND HIS RACISM..

Horse hates the Malays but loves it when his master
Wen Jiaobao goes to Kuala Lumpur to kiss Malay ass to
raise Chinese money for the betterment of (only) Chinese...

you fools do not understand the situation in China.

Everything is based on ethnicity and culture. Tibetan Kachee muslims, tibetan speaking muslims, and even Hui who moved to Tibet before 1950 and assimilated and spoke Tibetan have good relations with non muslim Tibetans, since they aren't very commercial and aren't aggresive merchants.

However, newly arrived Hui merchants who speak Chinese only, along with the Han chinese opened up businesses and stores all over Lhasa, they are aggresive in commercial enterprises, and have tensions with the Tibetans, which was why in the 2008 riots Tibetans attacked hui owned property and hui people along with Han chinese, while not attacking Kachee Tibetan speaking muslims.

The Tibetans in qinghai also had problems with Kazakh muslim nomads, but not with Kachee.

And I believe Kachee are disingenously classified as Hui, despite the fact that their native language is Tibetan and not Chinese, the Tibetans distinguish between kachee and Hui, the state does not.

you guys who don't know anything about Islam in east asia should not comment on it, this is all about culture, ethnicity, and numerous other factors in addition to religion.

Since Afikomen didn't read my last comment on the other post, I'd like to repost my reply to him. I'm pretty sure this arrogant Malay supremacist hasn't learned how to keep his mouth in line.
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There are thousands of Hui in Taiwan, in addition to Thailand, Burma, and China. Do not think that because we house Indonesian illegal immigrant migrant workers that you indons/malayoids are allowed to stay, Taiwan isn't the EU we don't recognize your "rights".

Do not think that Hui people don't hold positions of power, you fool. General Bai Chongxi was defense minister of the Republic of China, and Qinghai, Gansu, and Ningxia were all ruled by Muslim Military Governors, Ma Bufang, Ma Buqing, Ma Hongbin and Ma Hongkui.

Their entire armies were made out of hundreds of THOUSANDS of hui troops.

General Ma Buqing continued to work in the Republic of China army in Taiwan until the 70's and so did his son.

The Uyghurs, Tibetans, Soviets, White Russians, Mongols, the Communists, and the westerners (in the boxer rebellion) all learned what it was like to be on the receiving end of a thrashing given by Hui troops in the Chinese army. Malays and Indons are just known to be slaves to colonial powers, and before that, tributaries to Ming dynasty China.

The Malay sultanates, including Malacca, paid tribute to the Ming dynasty and acknowledged they were slaves to the Emperor. They regularly sent tribute missions and asked the Ming dynasty to save their city when it was being attacked, once an entire tribute mission of Malays were captured by Vietnamese, and the Viets castrated them and sold them as slaves, the Malays complained about it to the Emperor years later, who told them to shut up since the incident happened years before.

There is a community of Utsuls on Hainan island, descended from cham (related to malay) refugees from south vietnam, they paid tribute to the Emperor and beged for help from China.

You are the one who doesn't know a sack of **** about China or Taiwan. you claimed only a few "hundred" Hui live in Taiwan. WRONG. There are several thousand. There are multiple mosques. Many hui served in the Republic of China Army as Generals, like Bai Chongxi and Ma Chengxiang. They lived in Taiwan too.

There is a big mosque in Chiang Mai run by Hui people- มัสยิดบ้านฮ่อ

You claim that there were few Hui in thailand.

You don't know anything about Taiwan, China, or Hui people at all, so I'd advise you to STUFF whatever you want to say back into your Indo Malayoid mouth

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Imam Ma Chao-yen in Taiwan personally wrote this paper-

"As Muslim in Taiwan, we wish to become the bridge between Islam and Chinese culture. By working together of Confucius believe in world peace with Islam’s belief in social equality and justice, Islam will be the foundation for human civilization and peaceful society."


http://www.csict.nccu.edu.tw/active/Ma_Cao-yen_paper.doc
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A few webpages on Hui people in taiwan since you are so ignorant. THOUSANDS of hui live on taiwan, not hundreds like you claimed.

http://www.gio.gov.tw/taiwan-website/5-gp/yearbook/2002/chpt25-7.htm
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/197004/islam.in.taiwan.htm

You don't know anything about Taiwan, china, or Hui people. Your english is mediocre, and your attitude immature. You defend the racist Malay constitution, ketuanan melayu Malay Supremacy, and insist Malays are not responsible for violence in thailand or southeast Asia.
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The Malaysian constitution has "ketuanan melayu" (malay supremacy) written into it by law, so that malays get more priveleges than anyone else.

Malays like Syed Jaafar Albar are descended from Yemeni arabs in the paternal line, tons of them settled in Malaysia and married Malay women.

However, Syed Jaafar believed fully in the doctrine of ethnic "malay supremacy", saying "Wherever I am, I am a Malay", talking about "Malay racial supremacy", and claiming Malays are "masters" of Malaysia.

He did not say "Islamic supremacy", he did not say "muslim supremacy", he said Malay supremacy.
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There is a big racial problem. all indonesians, muslims or not, are racists. The dayaks are mostly not muslim, but they were encouraged by the indonesian army to riot against ethnic chinese several times, and the Javanese in indonesia did so as well, but not for religious reasons, its due to RACIAL tensions.

quote from website on anti chinese riots

http://library.thinkquest.org/26477/indon2.htm

Chinese in Indonesia said that Indonesians hated them because they were Chinese, never said ANYTHING about Islam-

"I'm Chinese, but I've been living in Indonesia, so I'm Indonesian," she said. "Maybe that's how people think -- that I'm Chinese, even though I'm an Indonesian citizen. But they don't know how long my family has been here."

"Tan, who is 37, was huddled inside the furniture store with her husband and three teenage children. As attackers banged on the shutters shouting "Kill the Chinese!" the store's workers gave the family a sign when it was safe to run."

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I didn't see the Indons saying, "Kill the Kuffar!", I see them say, "Kill the Chinese!"

Chinese language, chinese character, chinese names were all ban by Indonesian, but indonesian alphabet (western latin alphabet), bahasa indonesia, indonesian names, all have nothing to do with Islam...

Indonesians hate chinese writing and even used ridiculous evidence to accuse chinese of doing something (like chinese characters were found next to a dead indonesian's bodies, so they blame chinese for the killing)

Malays and Indonesians are RACIST.

NON muslim Indonesian dayaks attacking ethnic chinese- somehow Afikomen managed to twist these incidents and magically turned the Dayaks into muslims. Its well known that Indonesians were yelling anti chinese slurs and only targeted ethnic chinese during the riots, nothing to do with Islam.

It was Chinese who promoted Islam in Java and other Islands. Look up Zheng He's voyages. He built mosques and send tons of chinese muslims to settle in indonesia. The Sultans in malaysia and indonesia paid tribute to the Chinese Emperor and asked for titles from him.

http://210.0.141.99/eng/malaysia/ChineseMuslim_in_Malaysia.asp

http://www.islamhk.com/en/?p=12&a=view&r=43

http://www.islam.org.hk/en/?p=12&a=view&r=43

The Ming Emperor commanded Zheng He to collect tribute and bestowed titles like King on the Sultans, even engaging in military operations to back them up, to bring them into the Chinese political system, the sultan then paid tribute for political support.

The only reason the sultans and islam was maintained in malaysia and Indonesia was because of Chinese, you should be thanking us for propping up the sultanates and spreading islam and mosques- instead what came out is Dirty Malay racism and supremacy from people like Hishammuddin Hussein.

Ma Huan wrote there were lots of chinese muslims and mosque communities being sent by Chinese to Malaysia and Indonesia, and Islam was proslytized to the locals.

If we had continued on with that, you Malays and Indonesians would be Hanafi instead of Shafi, since all of Islam in China is Hanafi.

Your Malay supremacists and Racists like Syed Jaafar Albar and Hishammuddin should thank China for helping support Malaysian and indonesian Islam for over 200 years during the Ming dynasty.

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And I know and have Han chinese friends from Malaysia and Indonesia who used to have seriously misconceived ideas about Islam because of you Malays.

Since you associate being a muslim with "masuk melayu" (becoming a malay), alot of them are put off by converting since they don't want to be called ethnic malays or see themselves as malays, and think all other muslims like that.

The worst nightmare for Malaysian Chinese parents if their daughter or Son wanted to marry a Malay, they have to "masuk melayu" since you attach it to conversion.

And anyway, they don't like you guys so they hate it if their kids want to marry malays at all.

I am happy to say that I cured them of their Islamophobia, in Arab countries there aren't stupid racist rules like Malaysia associating muslim with being Malay, they understand now they Malays have some colonial inferiority complex from being colonized by Britain, which led them to project these rules on non Malays in Malaysia to take their anger out on them and seem superior.

In arab countries, a muslim is free to be his on ethnicity, he isn't forced to become "arab". In malaysia, a muslim is forced to be a malay.

Now they don't see Islam in a different light than other religions.

i'm reposting this again since I had to make two large comments regarding Afikomen's moronic defense of Malay racism
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you fools do not understand the situation in China.

Everything is based on ethnicity and culture. Tibetan Kachee muslims, tibetan speaking muslims, and even Hui who moved to Tibet before 1950 and assimilated and spoke Tibetan have good relations with non muslim Tibetans, since they aren't very commercial and aren't aggresive merchants.

However, newly arrived Hui merchants who speak Chinese only, along with the Han chinese opened up businesses and stores all over Lhasa, they are aggresive in commercial enterprises, and have tensions with the Tibetans, which was why in the 2008 riots Tibetans attacked hui owned property and hui people along with Han chinese, while not attacking Kachee Tibetan speaking muslims.

The Tibetans in qinghai also had problems with Kazakh muslim nomads, but not with Kachee.

And I believe Kachee are disingenously classified as Hui, despite the fact that their native language is Tibetan and not Chinese, the Tibetans distinguish between kachee and Hui, the state does not.

you guys who don't know anything about Islam in east asia should not comment on it, this is all about culture, ethnicity, and numerous other factors in addition to religion.

The Raymond Ibrahim presentation went very well with the exception of an attempt by someone who Ibrahim attempted to have identify himself . It had to do with the individuals identity as an observer of a particular expression of islam. I believe it was a Cair representative as he spent a considerable amount of time outside before the cameras afterward. Didn't stay around to hear what he was saying other than he continually repeated " it was lies ".
Ibrahim did not stick around for interviews as he was pressed for time to make his flight. The Cair rep will most likely make the news.

continued from my comment two comments above this one

and even if we were not such big merchants and commerce people, we would still have problems.

In kyrghzstan, the dungan people (hui who fled to russian central asia in the 1800s) were descendants of mostly hui peasants from rural areas of Shaanxi and Gansu in China. They were not descended from merchant hui in cities and did not have a commercial tradition, they went straight to agriculture.

This may have been why they were more receptive to Soviet communism, while in China we heavily opposed the communist party (save for some like Bai Chongxi who were educated in revolutionary socialist ideology).

many of the dungan were soviet communist party members. But now in Kyrghzstan, they came under attack by kirghiz thugs during the ethnic rioting last year, targeted due to their race, because their native langauge is a chinese dialect, not kirghiz, their women wear chinese clothing, not kirghiz clothing, they are a different culture.

* Bai allowed communist party member Zhou Enlai to escape from his custody during the shanghai roundup and execution of communists, and his guangxi clique implemented secular, socialist like reforms in the province, temporarily even allowing communist party to stay as long as it was totally subservient to the Kuomintang party, like how in Syria today, the communist party is subservient to the baath party

Robert!

Please read my comment on another thread.

I didn't read the article at all, because I saw 57 comments listed. I only scanned to see if the moniker "Horse" showed up. It did.

I KNEW Horsey was there. I was right again.

BAN HIM!! He's a racist!!

Lets see deebartok's profanity laced, hateful death threats and rants - all of them unprovoked, I never said a word to him, and he asked my why i didn't "answer" his posts, when he never posted a single "question"

only in one of these posts, the first one, did I talk about Hui in thailand since gravenimage started OT about Thailand.

here is was responding to gravenimage who was the one who went OT on Thailand, then Deebartok jumps in

Just go die AND my wife is Filipina, asshole.

Here he threatens me with death, after i criticized assyrian chaldean and DDA for being elated at palestinians getting killed. I managed to do it without profanity, i wonder why deebartok can't

GO DIE! YOU AND YOUR DUMBASS "students"

Here, i was responding to DDA's offtopic comment that ancient greeks celebrated the human body, and deebartok sends another profanity laced death threat.

Bye Horseyboy. Go back to your shithole and please die.
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Over here, he claims I made a comment that I never did- I never called robert spencer a "hooked nose ****", or sent that email message. I said whoever sent it might have been an arab christian

Put simply, Mohammedan, kiss my ass, because you need to, since I pay for your internet nonsense. I refuse to quote your BS, except this little snippet: "hook nosed Kike trying to pass yoursel of as a Christian Zionist"

Did you hear what he said? he said "I pay for your internet nonsense" If you don't like what I say, Don't read what I say! I'm very honored that you are paying some mysterious person money to see my comments, but I don't see how you can't see them for free.

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IS NOT A RACE, dumbass

DOI - you're an inbred idiot, obviously. Go have sex with Prince Naif's 10 year-old - daughter, why don't you?
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And I'm a racist? What did I say thats racist? What race did I insult? Where is my "Racist" comment?

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