It's bad enough that this case had to be fought at all, but the victory is still sweet. "Free Speech Victory in Dearborn, Michigan!," from Answering Muslims, May 26:
Maybe I shouldn't say "in" Dearborn, since the city only sought to suppress free speech in this case. An outside court (the United States Court of Appeals) had to impose Constitutional law on the city.Dearborn hosts an annual Arab Festival on Warren Avenue. During the festival, the street is reserved, but the adjacent sidewalks are not reserved and therefore remain public property. Hence, prior to 2009, many people would distribute pamphlets, DVDs, CDs, etc., on the public sidewalks. However, when Ronald Haddad took over as Chief of Police, he announced that no one would be allowed to distribute materials on the public sidewalks. Indeed, he insisted that no one would be allowed to distribute materials within five blocks of the festival. (He justified his decision by claiming that he needed to keep the area clear for pedestrian traffic.)
From a Constitutional perspective, this was quite disturbing, as the government was officially limiting free speech on public sidewalks. Moreover, those of us who attended the festival noticed that security only enforced the policy on Christians. Muslims remained free to distribute their materials.
Pastor George Saieg, an Arab Christian from the Sudan (who has observed the effects of Islamic law in his home country and therefore understands the importance of free speech better than many of us) decided to take the case to court. The freedom fighters at the Thomas More Law Center (praise God for them) took the case free of charge, and they won.
Lower courts had ruled in favor of Dearborn (i.e. that Dearborn police could stop people from exercising their freedom of speech on the public sidewalks adjacent to the festival). The appeals court reversed the decision on Constitutional grounds. Here are two excerpts:
On the free speech claim, we REVERSE the district court’s grant of summary judgment to the defendants and its denial of summary judgment to the plaintiffs. We thereby invalidate the leafleting restriction within both the inner and outer perimeters of the Festival.1 The restriction on the sidewalks that are directly adjacent to the Festival attractions does not serve a substantial government interest. The City keeps those same sidewalks open for public traffic and permits sidewalk vendors, whose activity is more obstructive to sidewalk traffic flow than pedestrian leafleting is. Moreover, the prohibition of pedestrian leafleting in the outer perimeter is not narrowly tailored to the goal of isolating inner areas from vehicular traffic. The City can be held liable because the Chief of Police, who instituted the leafleting restriction, created official municipal policy. . . .The leafleting restriction is not a reasonable time, place, and manner restriction. In the inner perimeter, the restriction does not serve a substantial governmental interest. In the outer perimeter, the restriction is not narrowly tailored. The defendants therefore violated Saieg’s First Amendment right to freedom of speech. Absent an injunction, Saieg will continue to suffer irreparable injury for which there is no adequate remedy at law. As a result, on the free-speech claim, we REVERSE both the district court’s grant of summary judgment to the defendants and its denial of summary judgment to the plaintiffs....
Finally! A decision based on the Constitution of the United States and not one based on whether it will inflame the Muhammadans.... That said, can't wait to see what the the Muhammadans and their abomination of a religion will do when somebody is passing out literature that doesn't agree with their worldview.
Well, the next step is pretty predictable.
The police will look the other way when the Muslim enforcer thugs who provide "security" for the event beat up the leafletters. The police chief will point to that as evidence that his ban was for the public safety.
Lying is ingrained into the Muslim pschye. For every witness we may have saying that he/she saw this or that happen, Muslims will come up with as many counter witnesses as necessary to say that just the opposite happened.
Recorded visual evidence, ideally with sound recordings as well, is the only effective means of providing reliable evidence. Prepare for the inevitable charge "the tape has been doctored" by having several cameras, some close, some at a distance, some obvious, some hidden.
Obviously enough the Muslims intend Dearborn to become America's first no-go zone which are now rife across Europe. How we respond will be setting precedents. So far kudos to David Wood and the others at Acts 17 / Answering Muslims AND the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor.
God bless America!
Good job on standing up for freedom of speech on this one guys. It sounds a lot like pre Nazi Germany to me. If we don’t keep standing up to Islam one battle at a time we will be asking ourselves how we let this happen as we are being led to the gas chambers.
Good job on standing up for freedom of speech on this one guys. It sounds a lot like pre Nazi Germany to me. If we don’t keep standing up to Islam one battle at a time we will be asking ourselves how we let this happen as we are being led to the gas chambers.
"Interestingly, the court even recognized that the penalty for leaving Islam is death. They state: In 2009, Saieg had planned for 90 ACP members to continue the practice of leafleting while roaming the Festival. However, when Saieg shared these plans with a City police sergeant, Saieg learned that the new Chief of Police, Chief Haddad, would not permit anyone to distribute leaflets while walking around the Festival. Instead, the City provided the ACP with a booth, waiving the standard fee. The booth was poorly lit and located by carnival rides, which attracted mostly children. This problem was remedied in 2010, when the ACP’s booth was lit and located “in the central area.” Saieg v. City of Dearborn, 720 F. Supp. 2d 817, 834–35 (E.D. Mich. 2010) (describing then- upcoming plans for the 2010 festival). Saieg also faces a more basic problem with booth-based evangelism: “[t]he penalty of leaving Islam according to Islamic books is death,” which makes Muslims reluctant to approach a booth that is publicly “labeled as . . . Christian.” R. 48 (Ex. A: Saieg Dep. at 75). Saieg believes that evangelism is more effective when he can roam the Festival and speak to Muslims more discreetly. The ACP distributed 37,000 packets of religious materials in 2007 and 20,000 packets in 2008, but only 500 packets in 2009 due to the remote, fixed location. Numbers from 2010 are not in the record."
Excellent. This is a clear victory against sharia.
It is a great victory,long live Freedom of Speech.Something so obvious I can't believe it tool SO LONG to JUST SAY IT.
There is a FUNNY VIDEO here where a HAMAS leader says 2.5 MILLION WOMEN await the MUSLIM MARTYS:
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/05/30/hamas-speaker-ahmad-bahr-2-5-million-virgins-await-the-righteous-and-the-martyrs-in-the-garden-of-eden/
PLUS READ
How HAMAS in their OFFCIAL HAMAS CHARTER blames the JEWS for the FRENCH REVOLUTION,WW I,WW II,THE DRUG TRADE,etc:
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/24/the-really-weird-ideas-of-the-muslim-terrorist-group-hamas/
ALSO READ
1.answeringmuslims.com
2.answering-islam.org
3.thereligionofconquest.com
4.See the videos (click on "online videos") of abnsat.com(like "Jihad Exposed","Debate","Jesus or Muhammad").
The videos are also on youtube,write "abnsat".
5.Also PYEM Ministry:
http://pyemministry.blogspot.com/
(very critical of Islam)
6.The blog "Debunking Quranic Science":
http://debunkingquranicscience.blogspot.com/
7.WIKISLAM(with 1,400 articles):
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page
8."Confident Christianity by Mary Jo Sharp":
Home Page:
http://confidentchristianity.com/
Her blog:
http://www.confidentchristianity.blogspot.com/
Also read:
antisharia.com and:
avraidire.com:
http://www.avraidire.com/
(in French and English),you can translate the French by copying and pasting with Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/#
I too, suspect Muslims thugs will harrass people passing out leaflets...and I suspect the police will only show up to outline the bodies with chalk...and the Dearborn newspapers will blame the people passing out the leaflets...
A great day for America. Maybe the anti-jhadists need to organize and institute teach-ins, lawfare, and such methods until nobody can avoid our message. Then again, one of our handicaps is that we're too durned civilized to shut down a college campus and a town with it.
" The freedom fighters at the Thomas More Law Center (praise God for them) took the case free of charge, and they won".
A million thanks for these wonderful people- the Thomas Law Center,who have the big heart to takeup this case "FREE OF CHARGE". May God Bless them and more and more Legal people comeforward to help in such situations against these enemies of freedom and free speech.
A million thanks for these wonderful people- the Thomas Law Center,who have the big heart to takeup this case "FREE OF CHARGE". May God Bless them and more and more Legal people comeforward to help in such situations against these enemies of freedom and free speech.
A million thanks for these wonderful people- the Thomas Law Center,who have the big heart to takeup this case "FREE OF CHARGE". May God Bless them and more and more Legal people comeforward to help in such situations against these enemies of freedom and free speech.
Muslims caught on film throwing urine at crowd in Dearborn
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=34054#comments
Showing multiculturalism cannot apply to those without culture. A base and vile religion of petulant children.
Showing multiculturalism cannot apply to those without culture. A base and vile religion of petulant children.
Showing multiculturalism cannot apply to those without culture. A base and vile religion of petulant children.
Showing multiculturalism cannot apply to those without culture. A base and vile religion of petulant children.
Showing multiculturalism cannot apply to those without culture. A base and vile religion of petulant children.
It's good to see the US courts ruling for freedom of speech.
But kudos especially to Sudanese Pastor George Saieg, who saw the danger and took the case to court. Sometimes it takes new Americans to recognize what makes America special.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Pastor Saieg.
Wow! Some actual sanity in the throng of insanity..Sue Dearborn ta death..It's already gone anyway..
Thank YOU from the bottom of MY heart,gravenimage..Your artistry is superb..Your comments so powerful and greatly articulated..
This is a tremendous victory for free speech, although I share the cynicism of some commenters re 'muslim enforcers', and the apathy of the police.
@mustaphabentote:
''Obviously enough the Muslims intend Dearborn to become America's first no-go zone which are now rife across Europe''.
Yes, indeed. There are too many towns in the UK with large muslim populations which are in effect 'no-go' areas for non-muslims *and* police. You Americans can be *very* thankful and proud that your Court of Appeals found in favour of free speech. Alas, that won't be happening in the UK any time soon. At the time of bin ladens execution, muslims against crusades were demonstrating outside the US Embassy, spewing their usual filth and hatred, and mourning bin laden as a hero. The EDL were also there, and one lad lifted up an effigy of bin laden. Guess who the police arrested ? Yup.
Thank goodness. A common sense ruling. The Dearborn police chief should move to Iran where, I am sure, he would be happy. Then he could legally impose his bigoted rules against non-Muslims.
Thank you for your kind words, St. Patrick. I always look for your posts, as well.