U.S. suspects Pakistan leaked CIA station chief's name in retaliation for bin Laden raid

Our Friend and Ally continues to bend over backwards to show how sincere it is in its cooperation with its American "partners." Once again, as Panetta said: they're either complicit or incompetent. Or quite likely, willfully incompetent and claiming plausible deniability. "U.S. suspects leak of CIA station chief's name was retaliation for bin Laden raid," by Saeed Shah and Jonathan S. Landay for McClatchy Newspapers, May 10:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Amid growing U.S. and Pakistani suspicions, Pakistan's prime minister on Monday dismissed as "absurd" U.S. allegations that the nation's powerful military was "complicit or incompetent" in the case of Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader who was killed a week ago by U.S. Navy SEALs in a compound 35 air miles from Pakistan's capital.

Even as Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani spoke, however, some U.S. officials expressed anger that once again the name of the top U.S. spy in Pakistan had been disclosed by Pakistani news organizations in what some say might have been retaliation for the raid.

In his first address to parliament since bin Laden's death, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said a three-star general would lead an inquiry into the "how, when and why" of bin Laden's years-long stay in Abbottabad, home to Pakistan's most prestigious military academy and the headquarters of two Pakistan army regiments.

But he left it clear that he did not expect the investigation would find that the military or Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, had conspired to keep bin Laden's presence a secret.

"It is disingenuous for anyone to blame Pakistan or state institutions of Pakistan, including the ISI and the armed forces, for being in cahoots with the al-Qaida," Gilani said. "It was al-Qaida and its affiliates that carried out hundreds of suicide bombings in nearly every town and city of Pakistan and also targeted political leaders, state institutions, the ISI and the General Headquarters" of the military.

Whether the results of the investigation will be made public wasn't clear, but past inquiries by the military have been kept secret. So far, no officials have been fired over the episode, and few expect senior heads to roll.

That's a jarring figure of speech anywhere Qur'an 47:4 is taken as divine fiat.

Since the May 2 raid on the Abbottabad compound, Pakistani authorities have said little about bin Laden in the face of intense speculation that the armed forces or the ISI must have played a role in keeping him hidden.

In an interview Sunday on CBS's "60 Minutes," President Barack Obama said bin Laden must have had a "support network" in Pakistan, though U.S. officials have said they have yet to find any evidence tying the Pakistani government to bin Laden.

CIA Director Leon Panetta reportedly told members of Congress in Washington last week that the Pakistani government either knew of bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad or was incompetent because it was unaware of it.

The U.S. didn't inform the ISI or the Pakistan army in advance of the raid out of concern that Islamist elements might tip off bin Laden, angering the country's top generals.

Retaliating for that slight might be one reason the name of the CIA station chief in Islamabad was broadcast Friday by ARY, a television channel, and published the following day in The Nation, a right-wing daily, one U.S. official said.

"We suspect it's retaliation," said the U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. "That's certainly one of the most plausible explanations for it."

But a Pentagon official said he was uncertain that the leak was the work of Pakistan's military or intelligence service.

U.S. officials long have charged that ISI and Pakistani army officers secretly have patronized Islamic militant groups, including the Afghan Taliban and other al Qaida-allied organizations fighting U.S.-led forces in neighboring Afghanistan. Pakistan vehemently denies the allegation....

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Zulu | May 10, 2011 8:30 AM | Reply

Sudanese Islamic Scholar Sheikh 'Atiyya Muhammad Sa'id: 'Apostate' Obama 'Must Be Executed'; 'The Path of Osama Bin Laden Is Our Path'
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5272.htm

winoceros | May 10, 2011 8:40 AM | Reply

Retaliating for that slight might be one reason the name of the CIA station chief in Islamabad was broadcast Friday by ARY, a television channel, and published the following day in The Nation, a right-wing daily, one U.S. official said.

Why is the rag of a group most likely to behave as fascists described as "right wing"? It is the left who are the most concerned with the control structures, statism, and the crushing of dissent, along with the punishment of one's enemies politically and by exposing them and their families to danger.

Praytell, Saeed Shah and Jonathan S. Landay, give the reason for the term "right wing," when perhaps you mean "ultra devout" or "strict shari'a-compliant." Hmmm?

tanstaafl | May 10, 2011 8:45 AM | Reply

What possible reason does anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size use for giving money to this nest of vipers?

Waiting............(crickets chirping)..................

Kevin replied to comment from tanstaafl | May 10, 2011 8:50 AM | Reply

I guess you will just have to wait until someone can find the canned answer in their PC Manual.

Wellington replied to comment from tanstaafl | May 10, 2011 9:13 AM | Reply

The only arguably defensible explanation, tanstaafl, is that we give money to Pakistan because it has nuclear weapons and thus the money is bribe money so that Pakistan keeps these weapons to itself. Concomitant to this line of reasoning is the fear that as wretched as the Pakistani govenment is it is still preferable to Islamic fanatics taking over said government (sort of similar to preferring a bastard like Mubarak over what appears to be replacing him).

I spoke to a Congressman over a year ago and this person told me that the great fear in Washington is that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal goes elsewhere or comes into the possession of the most rabid element in the Islamic world. Hence the bribe money. In fact, it would be refreshing if the American government just referred to it as such (but it won't). All this is disgusting but a reality.

Of course, a future American Administration could just cut off all funds to this country, which Ralph Peters has aptly described as "chaos with a Parliment," but it would be unwise to not consider that doing so could make things even worse. Often times life leaves you with no good option and you are left with choosing the least lousy of the options available. Understand, I'm not arguing for the efficacy of present American policy regarding Pakistan. I'm just the messenger here and a messenger who wonders if there is any good option for America and the West with such a wretched excuse for a nation. In microcosm we can see again how very much the Islamic world really sucks and is a burden to America and so many other countries.

gravenimage | May 10, 2011 9:21 AM | Reply

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Amid growing U.S. and Pakistani suspicions...
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More moral equivalence. What, exactly, are Pakistani "suspicions" of the US? That we're on to them?

...Pakistan's prime minister on Monday dismissed as "absurd" U.S. allegations that the nation's powerful military was "complicit or incompetent" in the case of Osama bin Laden...
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Hey, it's one of the other. Personally, I'd go with "incompetent" under the circumstances...

Even as Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani spoke, however, some U.S. officials expressed anger that once again the name of the top U.S. spy in Pakistan had been disclosed by Pakistani news organizations in what some say might have been retaliation for the raid.
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"Retaliation"? But, surely, Pakistan must be as happy as we are that the scourge of bin Laden is ended...sarc/off

In his first address to parliament since bin Laden's death, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said a three-star general would lead an inquiry into the "how, when and why" of bin Laden's years-long stay in Abbottabad, home to Pakistan's most prestigious military academy and the headquarters of two Pakistan army regiments.
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Either nothing will come of this "inquiry" at all, or, if under enough pressure, Pakistan will produce some poor low-level schmoe to take the blame.

"It is disingenuous for anyone to blame Pakistan or state institutions of Pakistan, including the ISI and the armed forces, for being in cahoots with the al-Qaida," Gilani said. "It was al-Qaida and its affiliates that carried out hundreds of suicide bombings in nearly every town and city of Pakistan and also targeted political leaders, state institutions, the ISI and the General Headquarters" of the military.
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Yes—and yet, we run across this phenomenon in Dar-al-Islam all the time. If some careful Infidel targeting of Jihad terrorists goes awry and civilians are hurt—or it is *claimed* that civilians are hurt—the Muslim world is up in arms.

And yet, Jihadists can commit the goriest crimes against their coreligionists—bombing markets, murdering pilgrims, even blowing up mosques—and the outrage is muted or nonexistent.

katharina | May 10, 2011 9:30 AM | Reply

This most double-face terrorist and savage Muslim country, Pakistan (besides Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran), need to be shaken up! But don't expect Caliph Hussein Obama to agree since he keep wanting to arm this evil country with billions of dollars of weapons as he wants to arm Saudi with 60 billions of weapons. But most dangerous of all, it's the massive nuclear weapon that Pakistan is building up; how can we trust such double-face terrorist state?! Imagine the horror India is in - they probbaly use Kashmir as apretext to attack India. See - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359231/Pakistan-overtake-Britain-worlds-fifth-largest-nuclear-power.html

Pakistan to overtake Britain as world's fifth largest nuclear power
By David Williams
Last updated at 5:45 PM on 21st February 2011

Experts think Pakistan could have 110 nuclear weapons
Pakistan is on the verge of overtaking Britain as the world's fifth largest nuclear power at a time when the country faces an unprecedented threat from extremists.
American intelligence agencies believe that Pakistan now has more than 100 deployed nuclear weapons, an increase of nearly 40 per cent in two years......

Buraq | May 10, 2011 9:57 AM | Reply

"It is disingenuous for anyone to blame Pakistan or state institutions of Pakistan, including the ISI and the armed forces, for being in cahoots with the al-Qaida," Gilani said.

But it's not disingenuous to say that Pakistani state institutions, the ISI, the armed forces and Al Qaida are in cahoots with Al Qur'an!

exsgtbrown | May 10, 2011 9:59 AM | Reply

I harbor no doubts that Pakistan provided aid and comfort to Osama bin-Laden...and probably many other Muslim terrorists and terrorist groups..Many times the US has attacked a target only to find out the terrorist target had left the area ahead of the attack...An advanced warning system would certainly answer that...and that advanced warning system would almost certainly have to be the ISI and the Pakistani government whom the US had been notifying of the plans to attack the target...You no longer have to wonder about the mysteries of why the target always seemed to vanish , sometimes minutes, before the attack..It is time to stop funding Pakistan...cut the purse strings...do it now.

miriam rove | May 10, 2011 10:09 AM | Reply

we should stop giving them any money.

nacazo | May 10, 2011 10:23 AM | Reply

Don;t forget Hector Aleem, Asia bibi, Mussie Eyob, etc....

poetcomic1 | May 10, 2011 10:34 AM | Reply

You say Osama
I say Obama
Osama! Obama!
Let's call the whole thing off.

pokermutt replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 12:00 PM | Reply

Hello Wellington. I really enjoy your posts and find them illuminating. You are not alone my friend, from one islamoloathe to another. You try to get at the essence of things. Take a look at my inspirations:

http://www.artbronze.com/icarus.aspx
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/frontcoverhorizontal3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/30/backcover11.jpg/

Frank Scarn | May 10, 2011 12:21 PM | Reply

The Christian is instructed to stay his/her hand. Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord. And in addition to refraining from retaliation we are further instructed to Love our Neighbors. A universal Golden Rule is to prevail.

True enough our love is not to be blind. We are permitted to care for ourselves at the same time, including due measures for self-defense.

For the Muslim extraction of the pound of flesh for some insult, perceived or in fact and regardless of how slight, must be instantaneous and be delivered with cruelty, to let the kuffar know who's in the driver's seat. In Islam there is NO golden rule writ large. At most it is a mini golden rule with kindness (kindness to the Muslim is an extremely relative term) only extended to other Muslims. (And given the cheapness of Muslims and their out and out refusal to assist others suffering natural disasters, including Muslims, this limited-in-scope rule is largely ignored anyway.)

This outing of the CIA operative fits the mold. In short, Muslims acting like Muslims.

miriam rove replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 12:34 PM | Reply

while you are correct the reasons we give them money, I say we should not. they will cave. they have some balls doing this kind of sh....

winoceros replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 12:41 PM | Reply

Would be nice to just be able to take over countries via coup that have the bomb. Then we can keep it in hands less volatile than theirs.

Why try to stop countries from getting/using the bomb? Just make those countries go away and turn it into a more reponsible government. No shari'a allowed, no Islam in the Constitution.

God forbid we be accused of imperialism when it often makes the country into a better place than it was anyway.

Seriously, has Yemen ever been "a nice place"?

pokermutt replied to comment from winoceros | May 10, 2011 12:45 PM | Reply

Hello Wino. Your comment on Yemen--right on brother.

George of the Jungle | May 10, 2011 1:23 PM | Reply

The modern state of Pakistan was established on 14 August 1947 (27 Ramadan 1366 in the Islamic Calendar), this led to vicious communal riots across India and Pakistan — millions of Muslims moved to Pakistan and millions of Hindus and Sikhs moved to India. Since then, the country has been enveloped in politcal fights, violent and bloody political tensions, civil wars, rebellions and murder. By the end of 2009, more than 3 million Pakistani civilians had been displaced by the on-going conflict in North-West Pakistan between the government and Taliban gangsters.
It used to be a beautiful country, much loved by tourists from the west. But now it is a back-water of ignorance and corruption, especially since Sharia was introduced in 1979.
It now needs to be bombed back to the 14th Century, as its politicians, military and police/security are a gang of corrupt liars and traitors.
Life is not good for women or girls in Pakistan, and life is not good for ordinary people who just want to live out their lives in peace and work. It is time the US and Britian stopped funding the corrupt government, and just withdraw all support - period.

Wellington replied to comment from pokermutt | May 10, 2011 1:47 PM | Reply

Good inspirations indeed, pokermutt. And yes, I have no doubt that we are on the same page regarding Islam. Now, if only, say, 85% of Americans (and all the West) thought as we did, then the greatest problem facing us, i.e., ignorance of Islam, would be solved and then we could devote all our time to the second greatest problem, i.e., Islam. After all, ignorance of evil is even more dangerous than evil. Hope you and those you hold most dear are well.

Wellington replied to comment from winoceros | May 10, 2011 1:50 PM | Reply

A beautiful sentiment, winoceros.

pokermutt replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 2:02 PM | Reply

I will always consider you my brother. Understand this brother, we are romantics.

The Martyrs

On a clear, moonlit autumn night,
as geese honk and wing to south,
gather soldiers and loved ones round,
around the campfire bright.

Talk of the ever desperate battles,
and the war, existential, not yet won.
Scorn the enemies, without and within,
the existers, whistling in no-man’s-land.

Soar as Icarus—it is your birthright,
and find strength in your very fragility.
You, bannered with Cross and the Star,
and those for life: mind and spirit right.

Cry for us, cry hard—now get on with it.
Be alive—vibrantly, as we once were.
If you will, raise a glass to us—the fallen:
Obedient to Our Martyr Code unto death.

CanUke , April 2011, Sixth Draft

Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 10, 2011 2:09 PM | Reply

"as Panetta said: they're either complicit or incompetent. Or quite likely, willfully incompetent..."

They are none of those.

They are incomptently complicit.

It was the CIA and State Departments that were willfully (ne, fanatically) incompetent in trusting those obviously two faced goons for an entire decade despite the huge steaming mountain of evidence.

Truthiocity.blogspot.com replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 2:57 PM | Reply

Re: Pakistan taking our money in return for not proliferating Nukes.

These goons have taken our money and
1 given it to the taliban
2 given our operational intellegence to the taliban
3 forced oil tanker trucks to stand still so taliban could fire on them
4 sent their own soldiers to fight alnong side the taliban against us.
5 protected Bin Laden from us for years.

Does anyone think that they can be trusted to keep the Nukes to themselves just because we give them money? They have already given nuke technology to both North Korea and Iran.

They have shown that as long as they do not have reason to fear us they will treat us, the UN and NATO with contempt and gleefully contribute to the destabilization of the entire world for the sake of laughably small political and financial gain.

After the revelation of this latest and foulest betrayal I bet there is many an American soldier who would happily stick their boot up where the Moon god don't shine.

Wellington replied to comment from Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 10, 2011 3:16 PM | Reply

No one but a fool would trust Pakistan. It's just a matter of playing the odds. Indeed, what are our best odds here? Your approach would be what? And if you answer, imagine you are not just some commenter here at JW but the President of the United States, with all the fall-out that would come with making the wrong decision. Your decision would be...........?

Truthiocity.blogspot.com replied to comment from katharina | May 10, 2011 3:21 PM | Reply

"they probbaly use Kashmir as apretext to attack India."

Sort of. Their primary goal has always been to annex the mineral rich Kashmir. They will keep up the pressure to force India to give up claims to Kashmir and will threaten them with Nukes to achieve that. Kashmir isn't the pretext, it's the goal.

It has been said by many that they were always focused on that and afganistan is a side show to them. India beat them in wars over disputed territories and they have never gotten over the humiliation.

That was what the Mumbai massacre was all about. Eveyone knows Pakistan was directly behind that atrocity but India could not retaliate because Pakistan has nukes.

The US and Russia had nukes but we never used them to allow us to massacre each others civilians and then hide behind to prevent vengence. It is for this reason we must finally decide to do something about Pakistan, North Korea and Iran. They will use these horrible weapons for extortion and to get away with massacres and probably invasions.

Wellington replied to comment from pokermutt | May 10, 2011 4:41 PM | Reply

Very touching that you would address me the way you did. Very.

Excuse my ignorance (and denseness), and especially my error should I be wrong, but you are the composer of the poem you proffered and, again I'm stabbing at the dark, you are a Canadian Ukranian? In any case, the poem is memorable and if a "CanUke," as I have interpreted such, it has long been my ardent desire as an American to have no closer relationship in the history of nations than that between Canada and America. It has always saddened me whenever Canada and America are at odds with one another (Olympic hockey being the exception to the rule here of course). My father, an ardent American if ever there were one, was a great admirer of Canada and he instilled in me when I was a boy a great love for the country directly north of us. We visited it often.

And yes, we are romantics. And what's wrong with that I would ask anyone. Winston Churchill was a romantic and as great a human being as ever there has been. And so indeed, what's wrong with being a romantic? Nothing I should say.

the phoenix replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 5:32 PM | Reply

dear wellington,

i was getting ready to formulate a reply to your 9;13 am comment, answering tanstaafl...
sort of an indignation, we are held hostage, why do we even BOTHER to have relations with this muslime nation, yada, yada yada....
kept reading all the comments including of course your 3;16 pm reply to truthiocity...and it is to this comment that i reply.

when jfk, responded in no uncertain terms to the cuban misssile crisis, we were very close to be at the brink of a nuclear confrontation, ww3, and most likely the end of our civilized world as we knew it then.
it did not happen, but it very well could have.

today of course the situation is different. we are not dealing with a country that could shun m.a.d. , perhaps on the contrary, it may welcome it...

your pointing out, that thinking as **the potus** versus a jw commenter really got me thinking...

even as a 'hot headed phoenix' anti islam and muslimes to the nth degree, it is a really tough one...
even, were allen west to be the next potus (yeah i know, it's wishfull thinking)i am not so sure that he would
proceed solo, to antagonise or attack...

it is obvious unfortunately, that, the lights went out in eurabia and it appears that the world as represented by its leaders, is cowering to the muslime bully and will not respond , as any action by the kuffar, no matter how innocuous, will be interpreted as an insult and trigger the sudden jihad syndrome.

the way i see it, muslime bullying must be dealt with, and as such,we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
for there will be blood to be shed in either scenario.

David, Thailand | May 10, 2011 6:21 PM | Reply

They wouldn't do that, surely!

/sarc off

sanman | May 10, 2011 6:28 PM | Reply

The "ally" Pakistan is planning to hand over the technology of the stealth helicopter to China:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-raid-pakistan-hints-china-peak/story?id=13570573

This is one of the bonus perks of giving Pakistan billions in aid. Your taxpayer dollars at work.

David, Thailand | May 10, 2011 6:33 PM | Reply

Raven: Unfortunately it's a marriage for life, since one partner sleeps around with impunity and constantly threatens to go to pot if it falls apart, while the other readily tolerates open infidelity for the pretence of holding it together.

pokermutt replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 6:36 PM | Reply

Hello Wellington:
Yes, the poem is mine. Please do not take this in the wrong way. But if I had to essence the West, I would end up with LOVE. I was born in Canada and I love her dearly. But I am also aware that there is a 1000 year heritage in me from the land of my parents; we suffered greatly. To have strong feelings--that makes us human.

AJack | May 10, 2011 7:14 PM | Reply

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42980653/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Pakistan's ISI fights lawsuit linking it to Mumbai attacks
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First the background on the lawsuit against Pakistan's ISI

[Pakistan’s embattled ISI intelligence service has retained U.S. lawyers to block a lawsuit alleging that its current and former directors helped one of the world’s most dangerous terrorist groups conduct the Nov. 2008 attack in Mumbai, India, killing 164 people, including six Americans.

The lawsuit, filed late last year in U.S. federal court in New York by American family members of the victims and one survivor of Mumbai, is based in large part on evidence developed by the FBI linking the ISI to the operatives of the Lashkar e Taiba terror group who are charged with conducting the operation.

The lawsuit charges that the ISI provided “critical planning, material support, control and coordination” of the Mumbai attacks under the leadership of its director general, Ahmed Shuja Pasha, and his predecessor, Nadeem Taj. This allegedly included providing funding to David Coleman Headley, a Pakistani American who has pleaded guilty in federal court to conducting surveillance for the Mumbai attacks under the direction of an ISI case officer, whom he identified only as “Major Iqbal.” ]

But, what is interesting is the excuse being used to quash the lawsuit...

First, comes the Muslims will take to violence threat...

[U.S. lawyers for the ISI are now moving to quash the lawsuit, arguing that if the case proceeds, it “will fuel violence and extremism” that will threaten the Pakistani government and pour “gasoline on the fire” of relations between Pakistan and India.]

Next come an assortment of other excuses
[The Pakistani government “regards any assertion of jurisdiction over its high officials” by a U.S. court “as an intrusion on its sovereignty, in violation of international law,” according to a brief filed late last week by two U.S. lawyers, Kevin Walsh and Allen C. Wasserman, on behalf of the ISI.

The brief also argues that Pakistan is a strong “wartime ally of the United States” in the fight against al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan and that the lawsuit would damage that alliance.]

The lobbying on behalf of a terrorist government continues...

[The two lawyers are with the Dallas based firm of Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell, whose lobbying arm, Locke Lord Strategies, represents the Pakistani government in Washington. The firm reportedly has collected over $2 million in fees since it signed a contract with the Pakistani government in 2008.]

Truthiocity.blogspot.com replied to comment from Wellington | May 10, 2011 7:22 PM | Reply

Yowch. That's a tough question. Considering I haven't an army of PhDs to give me background and current intelligence and informed, well studied and well debated choices to choose from or to warn me of the fallout a decision could cause, it would be impossible for me to make what anyone could sanely consider to be the one single most responsible and effective call.

I came up with around 18 seperate options. Then thought about why each was a horrible idea. I didn't think up arguments against the arguments against or further options that might make them more realistically viable.

Then narrowed them down to the few that seem to be most effective while being least harmful.

1 Find other ways to satisfy Pakistans real concearns regarding its neighbors. What is it about a Taliban triumph in Afganistan that is beneficial to Pakistan? If they can ba assured of whatever it was the taliban would have given them perhaps they could be given that or enough of an approxomation of it to disincentivise further support.

1.5 Unfortunately this brings us to Kashmir. If a final diplomatic solution is created there then Pakistan won't feel they have as much of a strategic need to have the Taliban installed in Afganistan.
I think the US should be spending the kind of effort in that diplomatic quarter we have spent on the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

Use the anger over this to pressure them to more vigorously confront the violent radical element in their society.

Now on to the violence.

1 Given that the ISI might wish to distance themselves from the Taliban just now because they are under such intense suspicion- it's the perfect time to intensify the offensive against the taliban (wherever they are) as the ISI might be afraid to assist them too much or to openly right now. If agents of the ISI happen to get in the way then the ISI can explain to the UN and NATO what they were doing there in the first place.

2 Ignore their protestations and launch further raids like the one against Bin Laden. They will squeal but won't lift a serious finger against us as they are minor incursions and they don't want to openly fight us.

The diplomatic support they would get now would be limited.

If attempted at the same time they would not be drawn into diplomacy but if the strikes and intensified campagns were done first then the diplomacy later they might respond more favorably.

The condensed list of nixed choices are: Do nothing, Use the UN to seek sanctions, draw them closer to us diplomatically, stop the aid, invasion, hinted threat of invasion, a coup, small secret strikes against the ISI. I wrote up the most obvious negative results of each but to present them here would make the comment much longer only to display why I felt the choices were not best.

Seriously, how was my answer?

guide inside | May 11, 2011 1:56 AM | Reply

Who would pay any attention to a 13 foot, barb wire topped concrete enclosure, anyway? Every neighborhood in America has one! I've got my AK and my wives and my cow in mine!

Wellington replied to comment from Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 11, 2011 6:48 AM | Reply

Not bad at all, Truthiocity. Tough formulating all of your considerations. I could see that. And still no matter what might be tried might not work. Interesting you brought up Kashmmir. Hell, that "problem" has been going on as long as the Israeli-Arab conflict with no solution in sight. In any dealings with the Muslim world it has to be realized that many times problems just fester in such a world forever and never get solved----precisely because one is dealing with the Muslim mind. Depressing but again a reality. Thanks for your well considered response. Damn, Islam is a such a burden to us all, even to Muslims though almost all of them don't realize it.

Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 11, 2011 8:59 PM | Reply

Thank you. The real title for it was A Blend of Psychology and Extreme Violence.

Thanks for the challenge. It was truelly a mind expanding excercise. The "essay" itself is much larger.

Doing nothing isn't an option because we will be seen as weak to the people who benifit in funding and membership from such perception. It will also make governments think they can get away with gross betrayal while this administration is in office.

As far as the ISI/Pakistan, only higher ups in the intelligence services can know if it's the help or the hindering that's illusion. Either way, they wouldn't say so publicly for good reason. Without a personal consultation from Leon Panetta determining a strategy is impossible.

Kashmir and the humiliation of past Indian military victories are the root reasons for Pakistans behavior. Giving it to them would make them behave better in general but IMHO the amount of suffering they have caused over it in Kashmir, India and Afganistan, makes them completely undeserving of EVER getting it. Restoring their pride is impossible. They will always feel humiliated by India because India is larger and will always be wealthier because their children go to real schools, not maddrassas.

Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 11, 2011 9:00 PM | Reply

Thank you. The real title for it was A Blend of Psychology and Extreme Violence.

Thanks for the challenge. It was truelly a mind expanding excercise. The "essay" itself is much larger.

deebartok replied to comment from Truthiocity.blogspot.com | May 13, 2011 9:56 AM | Reply

Excellent writing.

GIVE US MORE, please, please, please....???

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“My comrade-in-arms, my pal, my buddy.”
— Oriana Fallaci

“Robert Spencer incarnates intellectual courage when, all over the world, governments, intellectuals, churches, universities and media crawl under a hegemonic Universal Caliphate’s New Order. His achievement in the battle for the survival of free speech and dignity of man will remain as a fundamental monument to the love of, and the self-sacrifice for, liberty.”
— Bat Ye’or

“Robert Spencer is indefatigable. He is keeping up the good fight long after many have already given up. I do not know what we would do without him. I appreciate all the intelligence and courage it takes to keep going despite the appeasement of the West.”
— Ibn Warraq

“America's most informed, fearless, and compelling voice on modern jihadism.”
— Andrew C. McCarthy, Senior Fellow at National Review Institute

“Robert Spencer is the leading voice of scholarship and reason in a world gone mad. If the West is to be saved, we will owe Robert Spencer an incalculable debt.”
— Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

"The consummate Islam critic and expert." — Bruce Bawer

“Over the years, we have become friends, and I have received his assistance on several pieces of legislation I proposed.”
— Former Congressman Tom Tancredo

“Few people are capable of applying scholarship, analytical reasoning, and objectivity to their topic -- while simultaneously being readable and witty -- as can Robert Spencer.”
— Raymond Ibrahim

“A national treasure...The acclaimed scholar of Islam.”
— Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

“I am indeed honored to call him my friend.”
— Brad Thor, novelist

“A top American analyst of Islam....A serious scholar...I learn from him.”
— Daniel Pipes

“A brilliant scholar and writer.”
— Douglas Murray

"One of my best teachers."
— Ashraf Ramelah, Voice of the Copts

“Thank God there’s at least one man with balls left in the West.”
— Kathy Shaidle, Five Feet of Fury

“I read people like [Mark Steyn] and Bob Spencer and the rest of them, and I say, ‘Boortz, you’re pretending you’re an author. These people really are. They really write some entertaining, some standup stuff.’”
— Neal Boortz

“Robert Spencer is the Stephen King of Jihad.”
— Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
— Michelle Malkin

“Widely read in conservative foreign policy circles.”
— New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
— Washington Post

“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
— New York Magazine

“A hero of the American right.”
— Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
— Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
— Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
— Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
— Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

“Satanic ignoramus.”
— Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
— Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

“Zionist Crusader, missionary of hate, counter-Islam consultant.”
— Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”