Hamas-linked CAIR and other Islamic supremacists defame freedom fighter Raymond Ibrahim and others -- MSNBC plumps for CAIR

This mainstream media story about Hamas-linked CAIR's ongoing jihad against free speech, and its smear campaign against Raymond Ibrahim, is almost fair, but ignores the mountain of evidence of CAIR's true allegiances besides its unindicted co-conspirator status. Above all, the article ignores the particular elephant in the living room that is made abundantly clear by the story it tells: that Hamas-linked CAIR and its allies are trying to quash free and open discussion about Islam and jihad in America today, rather than engage in and encourage that discussion. That in itself is indication enough of their thuggish and totalitarian propensities.

"War for American hearts and minds rages over Islam," by Kari Huus for MSNBC.com, May 13 (thanks to all who sent this in):

EVERETT, Wash.— Where Islam is discussed, controversy follows.

Though the 9/11 attacks by Islamic extremists are almost 10 years past and al-Qaida boss Osama bin Laden is dead, the American debate over Islam is still raging, as evidenced by numerous conflicts over public events around the country.

The battles — a kind of holy war for American hearts and minds — feature a changing cast of players, but they typically array some of the dozens of groups dedicated to exposing the threat of radical Islam in the U.S. against dozens of others established to protect the rights of Muslim Americans and defend their religion as peaceful.

Charles Kurzman, a professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, says the clashes over Islam point to two powerful prevailing currents.

“One trend is heightened alarm and suspicion on the part of people concerned about domestic security,” he said. “The other trend is increased assertiveness and political activism on the part of Muslim Americans.”

At a national level, the conflict played out in controversial congressional hearings in April, which featured testimony from witnesses warning of a threat posed by Islamic radicals within the United States. Meanwhile Muslim leaders and civil rights groups — who were largely excluded from the proceedings — held press briefings comparing the hearings to red-baiting of the McCarthy era.

But more often they unfold on smaller battlefields. Recent examples include:

· In Detroit, the city transit system is locked in a legal struggle with groups who sought to use advertising space on the sides of buses for controversial messages on “honor killings” of Muslim women. After the city rejected the ads as too political, the groups behind the ads — Stop Islamization of America and the American Freedom Defense Initiative — sued the city, and won. Detroit is appealing.

Detroit is appalling.

· In Temecula, Calif., a group called Citizens Concerned about the First Amendment this month held a protest outside the local high school, where they handed out fliers that labeled the teaching of Islam in the school’s social studies program as “brainwashing.” The fliers offered links to national anti-Islam groups.

· In Texas, the board of education passed a resolution last September to reject the purchase of textbooks that include “pro-Islamic, anti-Christian half-truths and selective disinformation.” The debate is expected to resurface with the review of new textbooks this year.

· At least 20 states are considering “anti-Shariah” measures, which in various ways prohibit the courts from considering Islamic law in their decisions. Muslim advocates say the measures are legal gibberish that promote fear and hatred, while drafters portray them as a bulwark against creeping Islamization.

It never occurs to MSNBC that the campaign against the freedom of speech and Hamas-linked CAIR's smears and defamation of freedom fighters is connected to Sharia provisions regarding "blasphemy" and criticism of Islam, and are just one indication of the need to take a stand against Islamization.

No one is immune from the theological tug-of-war, as administrators learned last week at a small Washington community college sandwiched between the Puget Sound and the Cascade Mountains that decided to run a special lecture series called “Islam in America.”

Since it launched the series in January, Everett Community College has been battered by forces far beyond its normally quiet campus.

“I knew it would be controversial, but I thought it was going to be more internal,” said Craig Lewis, dean of communications and humanities at the school. “I had no idea we were going to get national attention.”

The talk that inspired the most recent protest at Everett Community College was a May 5 appearance by Raymond Ibrahim, who works for the Middle East Forum, a conservative think tank in Philadelphia. Ibrahim, an Egyptian American of Coptic Christian upbringing, holds that there can be no such thing as a “moderate” Islam. If Muslims adhere to the Quran, he said, they are compelled to engage in jihad or “struggle”— by persuasion, deceit or violence, if necessary — so Islam can triumph.

“To a Muslim, jihad means a certain kind of struggle — spreading and empowering Islam against non-Muslims,” Ibrahim told students and local residents who crowded the lecture hall. “Peace with non-Muslims is a provisional state only.”

Ibrahim invoked a notion from Islamic theology called “taqiyya,” which allows Muslims to lie in certain circumstances. Ibrahim argued that taqiyya is broadly used by apparently moderate Muslims whose real aim is to convert and control others.

When a member of the audience asked Ibrahim why most Islamic scholars in the United States condemned al-Qaida, he pointed to taqiyya. “It’s strategic. … It is a deception that is allowed by Islam.”

Ibrahim said he had come by his knowledge through a precise reading of the Quran and other Arabic sources.

“I know the truth sometimes is ugly,” Ibrahim told reporters. “But I believe that getting the truth out is for everyone’s benefit. … I think we’ve had too much of people not talking about it because they don’t want to offend.”

Ibrahim’s detractors say he is merely peddling bigotry based on dubious scholarship.

"Raymond Ibrahim is associated with a group that has a long history of one issue — bashing Muslims and Islam,” according to Arsalan Bukhari, head of the Seattle chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), referring to the Middle East Forum.

The Middle East Forum, where Ibrahim is associate director, was founded by historian Daniel Pipes, a controversial figure known for his hawkish, pro-Israel stance. On the group's website, he says the organization is committed to combating Islamist actions and influence, “whether violent or lawful.”

The Council on American Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim civil rights group in the United States, led the effort to halt Ibrahim’s speech. Leaders of 60 Muslim and other religious organizations and civil rights groups signed a letter to the college urging that Ibrahim’s talk be canceled.

Repeating uncritically Hamas-linked CAIR's self-description as "the largest Muslim civil rights group in the United States" is spectacularly biased and misleading, and is hardly mitigated by giving space to its defamation below and only later getting around to noting (in a perfunctory and incomplete fashion) its ties to Hamas.

“Would a KKK member be given a platform by the college to talk about his/her view on African Americans in America?” said a letter from the coalition to college President David Beyer. “Would a member of the neo-Nazi movement be given a platform to share theories on Jews in America?”

The argument over Ibrahim’s speech soon flashed across the country. Bukhari’s criticism of Ibrahim, published in an editorial in the Everett Herald, was then dissected by Washington, D.C.-based Robert Spencer — perhaps the most outspoken U.S. critic of Muslims — on his website Jihad Watch.

Note how they characterize me as a critic of "Muslims" rather than of "Islam" or "jihad," thus suggesting to the reader that I represent an irrational prejudice against a group of people rather than resistance to a repressive and rapacious ideology.

“(CAIR) always howl(s) when someone exposes the truth about the global jihad and Islamic supremacism," Spencer wrote. "...(The group) consistently opposes anti-terror measures… and more. This is the group trying to dictate to (the college) on its choice of speakers, and defaming a freedom fighter in the process. Free Americans should not let this unsavory Hamas-linked gang of thugs get away with this.”

Freedom of speech was one of the reasons the college cited for hosting Ibrahim — citing the value of hearing diverse opinions.

That argument fell flat for audience member Jeff Siddiqui, who argued that Ibrahim’s talk was so inaccurate, so incomplete and so unfair that he should not have been granted a podium, or been paid a speaker fee.

"Here’s the tug of war between free speech and hate speech,” said Jeff Siddiqui, a local Pakistani American real estate agent. “Should he be allowed to be here? I say if he wants to stand here on the yard on an empty carton— more power to him. But to use public funds, to use public institutions to impact children who are paying money … should not be allowed,” [sic]

Mr. Ibrahim received a $1,500 fee for speaking, according to the college.

The profiteering implication here and below is straight out of the Islamic supremacist playbook. How much does John Esposito get for a speaking engagement?

The campaign to bump Ibrahim from the roster was the second protest over the college’s Islam series. The first salvo came from the other side.

When CAIR’s Bukhari was included on a panel for a session titled “Being Muslim in America” in January, activists on the other side flew into action. ACT! for America, a group based in Florida, launched a Facebook campaign urging supporters “to contact the college, educate them about CAIR’s background… and demand that the college provide an opposing viewpoint to CAIR’s.”

Opponents have been trying to sideline CAIR since 2007, when a grand jury named the group as an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case against the Holy Land Foundation, an Islamic charity charged with funding Hamas and “other terrorist organizations.” No charges were ever filed against CAIR, and a federal court removed the designation three years later, but the stigma remains. Numerous websites are dedicated to proving its association with terrorists.

No charges were ever filed, but the FBI cut off work with Hamas-linked CAIR, and is reportedly still investigating it. Also it was recently revealed that the Justice Department stopped pursuing an indictment of Hamas-linked CAIR co-founder and longtime Board Chairman Omar Ahmad for political reasons.

What's ironic here is that this article chronicles how Hamas-linked CAIR and other Islamic supremacists are trying to sideline everyone who points out how jihadists use Islamic texts and teachings to justify violence and supremacism, and in a fine case of projection, blame their enemies for what they themselves are doing.

“Our Facebook page was deluged with postings saying you know… ‘they are terrorists’,” said Lewis, the community college official. “’They’re going to try to convert you and when they don’t they can kill you’ — all sorts of preposterous things like that. … We started getting calls from the community. And the president started getting calls.”

While security hawks have had successes in marginalizing groups they believe to be Islamists disguised as moderates, or misguided sympathizers, Muslims are fighting back, with backing from many religious leaders and civil rights groups.

“It’s part of a broader movement among Muslim Americans to get organized politically, including voter education campaigns, voter registration, running candidates for local offices, and in general, taking on the rights and responsibilities of American citizenship,” said Kurzman, the UNC professor. “I know some people see this as troubling. I see this as part of the process of Americanization that many immigrant groups have gone through throughout history.”

In answer to websites like Jihad Watch and anti-CAIR.net that focus on suspected Islamist extremism — activists on the other side have created publications such as Jihad Watch, Islamophobia Today, and Loon Watch to fact-check what they see as anti-Islam smears.

Jihad Watch is on both sides of the issue! Nice work, MSNBC!

In any case, one wonders who fact-checks the purported fact-checkers, or how MSNBC decided that it was smear and hate sites like Islamophobia Today and Loon Watch, and Saudi-funded pseudo-academics like John Esposito who represented the side of the facts, and their anti-jihad opponents who were doing the smearing. Probably they did so simply on the basis of the fact that their Leftist political worldview coincides with that of those hate sites.

“There’s this sense that they are not just going to be victims,” said John Esposito, a [Saudi-funded] professor of religion, international affairs and Islamic Studies at Georgetown University. “(The attitude is) we’re going to respond and be proactive.”

A recent report by Political Research Associates, a self-described “progressive” think tank in Sommerville, Mass., documents what it says is a lucrative industry that peddles Islamophobia to law enforcers in federal and state agencies. The report — “Manufacturing the Muslim Menace” — warns that anti-Islam groups are teaching officers that Muslims are waging a stealth jihad in the United States, as they await the right moment to take militant action.

“Public servants are regularly presented with misleading, inflammatory, and dangerous information about the nature of the terror threat,” it said. “A vocal and influential sub-group of the private counterterrorism training industry markets conspiracy theories about secret jihadi campaigns to replace the U.S. Constitution with Sharia law, and effectively impugns all of Islam … as inherently violent and even terroristic.”

No evidence, you will note, is presented that any of this is false.

Former terrorist, born-again consultant Among the subjects profiled in the report is Walid Shoebat, an American born in Jordan who converted to Christianity from Islam. He now maintains that Islam is the religion of the antichrist and the current White House occupancy of Barack Obama — “definitely a Muslim” — is evidence of the growing influence of this dark force.

Shoebat, who also claims he was a PLO terrorist as a youth and attempted to bomb a bank in Bethlehem, has parlayed his story into a thriving business as a consultant and anti-terror trainer for police and FBI agents, according to the report.

Note the sly bias -- Shoebat has a "thriving business" alerting the FBI and police to the jihad threat. But Hamas-linked CAIR doesn't have a "thriving business"; they're a civil rights group. That CAIR is linked to pro-Sharia Islamic supremacists and Omar Ahmad has spoken about bringing Sharia to the U.S. doesn't matter. That opponents of CAIR are fighting for Constitutional freedoms doesn't matter.

Just this week, CAIR tried to convince the South Dakota Department of Public Safety to drop its endorsement of a state Homeland Security Conference featuring Shoebat as keynote speaker.

“South Dakota taxpayers need to know whether their hard-earned dollars are helping to fund a conference that will offer anti-Muslim hate and stereotyping to law enforcement and security personnel,” wrote Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director for CAIR, in a letter to South Dakota Public Safety Secretary Trevor Jones.

The speech went ahead as planned on Wednesday.

Bravo!

Getting past knee-jerk reactions In Everett, college administrators besieged by protest over CAIR and Ibrahim gathered in the president’s office, said Lewis.

“Finally we decided that if we were to going to un-invite one then we were going to have to un-invite everybody,” he said. “… So we decided to keep everybody … and keep the dialogue open.”...

Refreshing. And increasingly rare.

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The battle is fully engaged. Will we have liberty or tyranny? This is full-on good versus evil, and, as always we are playing for keeps. Do not equivocate, hesitate, nor retreat. Having become quite familiar with Islam, through the only real voices and literature - koran, haddith, sira - which matter, and threats to someone I know, I can draw only one error free conclusion - Islam is evil and its purveyors possessed of it.

So, Walid Shoebat, a former Muslim, says that BHO is "definitely a Muslim."

Wow, that's interesting. Shoebat should know - "takes one to know one" and all that.

"It’s part of a broader movement among Muslim Americans to get organized politically"

This is happening in Canada and as a result of the May 2, 2011 federal election, I am aware of three Members of Parliament, who have been elected under the New Democratic Party lead by Jack Layton, who are Muslims.The awakening has yet to happen, but it will happen

From the article~

If Muslims adhere to the Quran, he said, they are compelled to engage in jihad or “struggle”— by persuasion, deceit or violence, if necessary — so Islam can triumph.

“To a Muslim, jihad means a certain kind of struggle — spreading and empowering Islam against non-Muslims,” Ibrahim told students and local residents who crowded the lecture hall. “Peace with non-Muslims is a provisional state only.”

Ibrahim invoked a notion from Islamic theology called “taqiyya,” which allows Muslims to lie in certain circumstances. Ibrahim argued that taqiyya is broadly used by apparently moderate Muslims whose real aim is to convert and control others.

When a member of the audience asked Ibrahim why most Islamic scholars in the United States condemned al-Qaida, he pointed to taqiyya. “It’s strategic. … It is a deception that is allowed by Islam.”

Ibrahim said he had come by his knowledge through a precise reading of the Quran and other Arabic sources...

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Personally, I would like to see the act of supporting and approving of Islam be made a crime. After all, Islam does stipulate that those who leave it must be put to death. Muhammad was nothing more than an evil, insane, criminal cult leader - period. How sick does one have to be to believe that the hideous Quranic verses below are the perfect, actual words of god itself?...

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

We ex-Muslims know for certain that Islam is a fraud:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/category/the-challenge/

For starters, and from the article:

"...activists on the other side have created publications such as Jihad Watch, Islamophobia Today, and Loon Watch to fact-check what they see as anti-Islam smears."

Hello?

The "argument" is as confounding as the insistence on Palestinian statehood and "borders" before the fact.
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The MSM is utterly clueless, Mr. Spencer, I'm afraid.


Saleem, dear Canadian neighbor, I would not go so far as making support for Islam a crime.

Yes, I know that if I tweak a devout Jewish conscience, the local hospital is going to get a generous contribution; if I tweak a devout Christian conscience, a new homeless shelter or private school will open; and if I tweak a devout Muslim conscience, something will blow up and people will bleed and die.

But down here, south of Line Forty-nine and the Great Lakes (Praise God that we're coming up on 200 years of peace), I am too steeped in the Free Speech and Free Exercise clauses of our Constitution's First Amendment. I seethe with rage that there are some, who in the named of protecting me from "hate speech", would silence those who bait me as a "race traitor" over my marriage of nealy 30 years. Let people believe what they want, even if certain practices (such as murdering apostates and polygamy) must remain illegal.

One reason why I love this site is because our gracious host, Mr. Spencer, seems to understand that a bad idea needs to be exposed and refuted.

I hate Muhammad and the evils of his perverted religious cult more than you could possibly know...

There is something inherit about the West particularly in the US and perhaps wee bit less in Canada,, the love of "free speech", when the likes of CHAIR and accompany of their thuggish media want to prevent free speech there is something we here in North America have a knee jerk reaction to the horror of a lack of "free speech".. We in the West look at those who want to shut up "free speech" with disdain and distrust. so CHAIR keep up your little traumatic whines and sreams,, it just let us focus about what is it you don't want us to hear? The more CHAIR talks or screams the more we find out about the real motives of CHAIR!

forgot to mention, cheers to you as well, neighbor...

Exposing the lies in CAIR and the media, and showing what Islam truly is based on the Koran and hadith are crucial but only part of the solution.

HOWEVER...

at some point the withdrawal reactions of the sick patient need to be addressed. The reason all Muslims, even "moderate" ones like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, cling to Islam is that they have all been brainwashed. All their "intellectual" contortions starting with Yusuf Ali's sly translation of the Koran and his whitewashed commentaries are a result of a DEEP brainwashing which is rooted in the innermost emotional levels.

Pointing out evidence in the Koran and historical record of the Big Mo does not have much effect on these spiritual zombies. If your soul is convinced, you can always find some justifying argument.

How do you get through to cult members? Can anyone convince a Scientologist to leave the fold?

Perhaps Robert can write about this aspect.

If Ib Hooper and this Pakistani real estate agent is so sure that Ibriham is spreading blatant lies, then why don't they confront him and shoot him down in an intellectual discussion rather than silence him. If Ibriham's perceptions of Islam are so false than these professional Muslim theologians could easily cut his legs out from under him in a public academic forum instead of trying to silence him.

To Kepha.
Islam seeks to overthrow the U.S.Constitution.Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR does not deny that at some point in the future he would like to see Sharia reign supreme and that would mean the overthrow of the Constitution.
In the past the U.S has banned the Communist Party, First Amendment notwithstanding. The arguments for banning the Communist Party can also be applied to Islam because the teaching and practice of both is seditious in nature. Daniel Greenfield of Sultan Knish blog states very eloquently why Islam can banned.

"And we can go much further at an organizational level, based on the Sedition Act of 1918 and the 1954 Communist Control Act , which give us some guidelines for cracking down on Islam.

Sec. 2. The Congress hereby finds and declares that the Communist Party of the United States, although purportedly a political party, is in fact an instrumentality of a conspiracy to overthrow the Government of the United States. It constitutes an authoritarian dictatorship within a republic, demanding for itself the rights and privileges accorded to political parties, but denying to all others the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. Unlike political parties, which evolve their policies and programs through public means, by the reconciliation of a wide variety of individual views, and submit those policies and programs to the electorate at large for approval or disapproval, the policies and programs of the Communist Party are secretly prescribed for it by the foreign leaders of the world Communist movement. Its members have no part in determining its goals, and are not permitted to voice dissent to party objectives

This applies to Islam just as much as it applies to Communism. And this preamble was part of a passage demonstrating the fundamental distinction between Communism and legitimate political parties.

The assumption of the Communist Control Act was that the First Amendment did not apply to the Communist party or to Communist controlled parties... because they did not fit the democratic template of the First Amendment. As such the Communist party was not a legitimate party, but an overseas directed conspiracy to overthrow the United States and replace it with a Communist system.
You can read more at:
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/05/can-we-ban-islam-legal-guidelines-for.html

that applies to the PCMC baha'i NWO freaks too..

It never occurs to MSNBC that the campaign against the freedom of speech and Hamas-linked CAIR's smears and defamation of freedom fighters is connected to Sharia provisions regarding "blasphemy" and criticism of Islam

The problem with MSNBC here (and it has many, many problems) is that one only has to read the Moslem-credentialed stories of Abu Afak and Asma Marwan to know the connection is real. These two reporters dared to criticize Moslems, and were run through for their trouble.

And worse, those two contract murders are part of the most excellent pattern of conduct recommended to Moslems by Allah.

*** 33:21 ***

... websites like Jihad Watch and anti-CAIR.net that focus on suspected Islamist extremism...

Watch some video of flaming Infidels leaping out of the World Trade Center from 95 stories high, or look at photos of dismembered English corpses after the 7/7 attack in London and how in the hell you can only "suspect" such a link.

Especially given that there is no credible alternate explanation.

It's all about media, the opinion programming industry is. That's why its biggest component, advertising, rakes in hundreds of billions every year. It works, and because it works, it's now being widely applied in the field of politics.

Our near future history will demonstrate that it's all about media, baby, and the fledgling counter-Jihad defense being mounted has only paltry resources to pay the rarified expenses it takes to play on the the news entertainment field.

Every time CAIR rises up to defend the indefensible, it's deflection tactic become more and more noticeable to more and more people, and no obfuscation or lie on their part is going to explain the umpteenth murder done by a muslim in the name of islam and justified by the koran.

Bravo! Raymond Ibrahim

The tides are turning for sure...even the folks posting on MSNBC are getting it. No one is buying what cair is selling anymore and no way will islam be able to survive in the USA. God bless the USA!


Below is the link to CAIR-canada for the whole press release but the story is the same for CAIR.
They pretend to denounce Armed-Jihad by self-professed Muslims , but then qualify their opposition to Terrorism by the hollow stance to " Denouce ALL forms of violence and Terrorism".
Duh....who would be Pro-Terorism and say it in the MSM?

But note how CAIR wants to put this Dark Chapter in history behind us and bring some Closure to those that suffered since 9/11. Also note the minipulation of 'Context' to finish the comment below by claiming they include Extremist and Terrorists in the post-9/11 era.
What they don't say is WHO is the post-9/11 Extremists or Terrorists they refer to, nor have they ever clarified those views to the MSM.

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http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=3117_0_2_0_C

Bin Laden’s Death Closes A Dark Chapter
Monday, May 02, 2011 1:30 pm

- For Immediate Release -

(Ottawa, Canada – May 2, 2011) The Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) hopes that last night’s news of the death of Osama Bin Laden will provide some degree of closure and a measure of comfort to those who lost loved ones on 9/11 and in the days that have followed from ongoing attacks by violent extremists and terrorists.


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Just a reminder about how CAIR Canada was also behind Nihad Awad's support for the Syrian/Draft-Dodger that tried to enter the USA at JFK Airport on a candian Passport as he fly by himself on a Midle East flight from Tunis.
CAIR's legal team aided in the Lawfare to sue canada for $400'000'000.00 for damages to Maher Arar who Alleged to have been "Tortured" in his Homeland of Syria,but CAIR's Dr.Sheema Khan did not tell the MSM the whole story that Arar was to face a Military Court in Syria after bounty hunters got him in JORDAN.

CAIR-Canada had made misleading Historical claims during an Inquiry where they tried to equate "Muslims" to the WW2 Japanese people in canda and the USA that were Interned after Pearl Harbour.
Muslims are not a RACE of people, plus....Dr.Khan knows that Canada DID NOT have its "Citizenship" ACT until January 1st 1947 , so the claim by CAIR that Muslims now fear being put in Interment Camps in canada LIKE the Japanese-Candians were was an outright fabrication.
All peoples in Canada were British-Subjects in a Colony and ergo.....Japanese-candians did not exist in the pre-1947 era. Khan must have taken her orders from her masters at CAIR USA because any yahoo in canada with 2 brain cells left will know this fact about Japan.
Japan started its crusades in Sept-1931 in the pre-Nazi Germany era of 1933, and about the time of Italy's fascist thug in power on his crusade.

Since islam and the Quran make it clear that the World must be 1-faith under Shariah law, it's pretty rich for CAIR to claim that they are just as at risk for oppression in the west as the Japanese were in WW2. Maybe CAIR should check out the Muslim Division of the Nazi Military in Africa because Obama will be interested in knowing that CAIR sides with the Nazi's who wanted to purge Africa of all non-white, but islam was still crusading for purging the Earth of all non-Muslims.
Even Japan,Germany and Italy had the useful-idiots falling for Taqqiyah in the 20th Century because it was easier for Muhammed to get the non-muslims to kill each other for their version or Freedom or Faith, THEN....waltz in after the main battle for finish off the remnants.


BTW
If you think I'm making this up about CAIR and how some Islamic leaders are inciting hatred for the west about Internment camps JUST like the Japanese.
Check out this guy from the Audio link below where he has even brainwashed his children to fear for their life in the future when canada puts Muslims in Death-camps.

*** Farooq Khan
Executive Director, North American Muslim Foundation

http://www.640toronto.com/HostsandShows/JohnOakley/Audio.aspx


Just click on the Live/Download buttons and hear the hatered for the West.

CAIR will describe ANY criticism of Islam as evidence of bigotry. Telling. Damning.

There is an annual contest at Duke University for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was, "Political Correctness", and the winner wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gashc3966.doc.htm
General Assembly GA/SHC/3966 Third Committee Approves Resolution Aimed at ‘Combating Defamation of Religions’

“A non-biding resolution by the UN (for now), but rest assure this is the beginning of ending free speach (read; it will be criminal to critizise islam. It already is de facto in some European countries)


http://newstime.co.nz/video-islam-in-europe-ends-free-speech-criminalizing-criticism-of-islam-un-blasphemy-law.html
00:50 … the difference between
free speech & hate speech
is dictated by politically correctness and fear of Islam

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gashc3966.doc.htm
...The Assembly would also note with deep concern “the intensification of the overall campaign of the defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred”, including the ethnic and religious profiling of Muslim minorities in the aftermath of the tragic events of 11 September 2001.

It would further recognize that, in the context of the fight against terrorism (terror is a tactic not an enemy), defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred had become aggravating factors that contributed to the denial of fundamental rights and freedoms of members of target groups, as well as their economic and social exclusion....

Goodbye FREEDOM OF SPEECH!


MSNBC wrote: "The Middle East Forum, where Ibrahim is associate director, was founded by historian Daniel Pipes, a controversial figure known for his hawkish, pro-Israel stance....."

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Dr. Pipes supported the forcible uprooting of Jews from Gush Katif, Gaza, August 2005; the so-called "disengagement" plan resulting in the election of Hamas by the Palestinian voters, terrorism, kidnappings and attempted kidnappings; thousands of rockets on Israel's southern town and cities. Pipes has floated the idea of giving Judea and Samaria to Jordan and giving Gaza to Egypt. This is not indicative of a "hawkish, pro-Israel stance."

I'd actually watch MSNBC if I could stomach it. They are the best guide I know to what is right and should be done. Whatever they suggest, go with the opposite.

{^_^}

Hi Kepha!

You wrote:

"One reason why I love this site is because our gracious host, Mr. Spencer, seems to understand that a bad idea needs to be exposed and refuted."
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Yes, true. But the bad idea to which you refer has been exposed and refuted quite handily, almost ad nauseum, by JW writers for years, among so many others.

There comes a time when "Bad Ideas" simply must be crushed and thrown out, wholesale, a la Nazism, Mao's nonsense, the notion of The Collective, etc., etc..

To me, the work of exposure and refutation has been done, but I've yet to see any reward for our labor.

Dearest Saleem:

I am in complete agreement with you.

May I express my appreciation and admiration for you? You are quite an asset to the JW team. Thank you kindly for being a part of us.

CGW


"It never occurs to MSNBC that the campaign against the freedom of speech and Hamas-linked CAIR's smears and defamation of freedom fighters is connected to Sharia provisions regarding "blasphemy" and criticism of Islam, and are just one indication of the need to take a stand against Islamization."

Robert, I hope that they will read this. Otherwise, TELL THEM. You're the man who can.

This is why we are seeing a rise in anti-Islamic attitudes in this country. People are studying Islam and understanding that Islam has no separation between Islam as a 'religion' is understood in this country and the rule of law that is Islamic government.

I began this study not long after 9/11. I found that this is where the issues are that are the cause of the 'war on terror' are. Education about Isalm is everything in this war.


TIME FOR ACTION !

This is WAR . . .

Way OT:

Guys, you simply MUST see and read this! It's totally inspiring and heart-warming. If you're a dog lover like me, you'll be grinning from ear to ear and your heart will swell with pride.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/war-dogs.html

Walid is absolutely born again, as you said, it takes one to know one ;)

Maybe...I'm still considering it, but it sure sounds "Islamic" to me, too.

If so, it will be the greatest con ever perpetuated on mankind by Urkel.

Not that I'm into conspiracies or anything...

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