Why Muslim cultures lag behind

Why Muslim cultures lag behind
by the Anti Jihadist

In the past fifty years, many countries have caught up with the rich and developed Western World. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, with virtually no natural resources, have created advanced, urbanized and prosperous societies, complete with world-class technology that often exceed that which is found in the West. India, Brazil and China, although not yet fully developed, now all possess large and affluent middle classes that did not exist just a few decades ago. There is no reason to believe why their economic and social progress of all of these countries will not continue for the foreseeable future.

The Muslim world, on the other hand, has struggled during this era of unprecedented global wealth creation. These countries have profited almost solely, by happy geological accident, from oil and gas extraction. Beyond these activities, economic activity in Muslim countries remains scant, low tech and strictly oriented towards local consumption. Despite trillions of dollars in oil revenue over the past sixty years, Muslim progress in many other areas, such as scientific research, social issues and education, lags badly behind the rest of the world.

How could this be the case? The answer, which the major media dares not touch, lies in the very culture of Muslim countries themselves. Consider the following cultural traits which are all typically found in majority Muslim countries:

Belief in magic. State-owned Malaysian newspapers and television stations routinely run breathless stories about witch doctors (“˜bomoh”), evil spirits and other forms of the supernatural. Visitors to Malaysia get a good laugh out of such quaint cultural practices, until they realize with a shock that Malaysian belief in such superstition is absolutely sincere. But it’s not just here in Malaysia where this happens. In Saudi Arabia, witchcraft is considered very real and a capital offence. In Iran, laws are on the books that make ‘sorcery’ a crime. And in Iraq, many of the locals are absolutely convinced that American soldiers wear sunglasses that can see through clothing and have bases protected by force fields. A culture that is eager to embrace the supernatural takes a giant step away from rationality and deceives itself fundamentally. Self-deception is always, sooner or later, the path to failure.

Belief in conspiracies. Muslims take it as an Article of Faith that various groups of so-called infidels or other outsiders are engaged in various conspiracies to keep Muslims down, make Islam look bad, or are otherwise up to No Good. The lack of evidence means little to a society where “˜skepticism” is already an unusual and foreign concept. For instance, even well-educated Muslims will tell you, with total earnestness, that the 9-11 terror attacks were actually perpetrated by Zionists, or the CIA, or the U.S. Government, or some other nefarious group. Never mind the vast amount of evidence to the contrary. When presented with rebuttals from non-Muslims, Muslims will usually just shrug it off and carry on with their nonsensical conspiracy theories.

Lack of innovation. Here in Malaysia, it is telling that the word in the Malay language for innovation (“inovasi”) did not exist until it came from English, quite recently, as a loan word. Innovation, meaning to create something without precedent, is a risky and therefore dangerous business in the Islamic world. The reason for this is because Islam already has a word for innovation, “bid”ah”. In Islam, this word is essentially the same in meaning as “˜heresy”, which is yet another capital crime under Islamic law. Hence creativity and individuality are utterly stifled in a totalitarian fashion, even in Muslim countries where Islamic law has not yet been fully implemented. Improvisation is also discouraged for similar reasons. This is a major reason why Islamic countries are usually characterized by a near-total lack of scientific research and reluctance to embrace technology in general.

Lack of devotion to non-family/non tribal/non-clan organizations. In most Muslim societies, loyalty often runs no farther than one’s tribe or sect. People from the far-off central government, or those from the next valley over for that matter, are foreigners to be met with suspicion or hostility. Afghanistan is a perfect example of this sort of chaos. Even if these differences are eventually papered over, so to speak, by the force and coercion of a dictatorship, the lack of cohesion and distrust remain. Muslim leaders usually come into and stay in power by exploiting this very characteristic, by playing one tribe or group off another. Patriotism amongst the general public is another foreign concept, taken for granted in the West. Muslims may remain loyal to Islam in general, but more importantly, to the tribe in particular.

Lack of empowerment of women. The future, no matter what form it may take, is almost certainly going to involve more technology, not less. How well equipped is a society for this future if half of its members are only (at best) grudgingly given their rights? In many Islamic countries, women are often illiterate and have no rights in essential critical life decisions, such as those involving child-rearing, marriage or education. And why should they? Various Quranic verses, age-old Islamic traditions, and core Islamic teachings render women as nothing more than chattel and the property of their male relatives””never the equal of men. And no one can “˜reform” these teachings to something more enlightened””see the penalty for “bid”ah” above.

Lack of personal responsibility. Muslim leaders often lie to or deceive their own people, to subordinates, or to allies in order to advance their own personal agendas. Remember that most Muslim countries are a patchwork of tribes who barely tolerate one another in the best of times. Loyalty to one’s country as a whole is next to non-existent. So, the main objective of these leaders, whether at the top, middle or bottom, is to steal as much as they can, while they can, in order to enrich themselves and their families, clans or tribes””’national interest” be damned. If you”re one of the rare incorruptible types, or are otherwise too stupid to steal when presented with the opportunity, then more the fool you are. Other tribes or groups are useful as scapegoats when the need arises or when blame must be deflected.

Lack of skilled labour. Rich, developed and successful countries like Germany, Japan and others do not just spring into existence. It takes the efforts of millions, skilled specialists toiling endlessly in dangerous and/or monotonous drudgery for decades, to build and also maintain the ever-growing complex web of systems that modern nations depend on to function. But Muslim countries, even the ones with trillions from oil revenue, have consistently failed to create large enough castes of technical specialists that modern nations must have. As there are never enough people willing or able to work within their own borders, Muslim nations are forced to outsource their labour needs. In Saudi Arabia and most Arab states, for instance, cleaners and maids come from India or the Philippines, while engineers and others in the technical trades come from America, Europe and increasingly east Asia. This trend is accelerating, paradoxically enough, at a time when the governments of the burgeoning Arab world are having an increasing problem just feeding their exploding populations.

Lack of meritocracy. The West has thrived not only because they have learned to hold people responsible for their actions, but also they have learned to give out rewards based on individual achievement. Hence higher–performing individuals tend to be eventually in charge and reap the most rewards (in prestige, rank, money, etc.). Westerners do not always manage to live up to these ideals, but the concepts themselves are not questioned. In the Islamic world, however, what counts is personal loyalty, personal connections, and tribal/sect membership. Incompetent leaders are preferable to competent ones, so long as they are properly loyal. Such a state of affairs makes for incredible inefficiency on a normal day and catastrophic consequences when any sort of crisis arises. Muslims are fond of saying “it’s God’s will” at difficult times, which for Muslims seems like most of the time. Actually, it’s not so much “God’s will” but more like the inevitable consequences of their dysfunctional culture.

If you”ve read up to this point, no doubt that you could add a few more things to this list. But remember, political correctness dictates that all cultures are somehow “˜equal”, and Muslims are convinced their cultures are somehow superior; never mind the reams of evidence to the contrary. So while I want to be optimistic, the smart money is not riding on the would-be reformers of the under-performing societies of the Muslim world. At least not yet.

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  1. says

    And don’t forget Israel, a country which didn’t exist 70 years and starting out under some of the worst circumstances existing, is now among the developed countries of the world. This is the major torn in the side of Muslims and demonstrates clearer than anything else how inferior they are.

  2. says

    Malaysia had severe riots back in 1968.

    Some say 2000 were killed, some put the number as high as 20.000.

    The web is almost scrubbed from any records, any idea why?

    Reminds me of the jihad in Indonesia back in 1996, where the good Muslims killed and raped the infidel Chinese, while others looted their shops and set them on fire while the police stood by watching.

    A lawyer I knew in Malaysia couldn’t get a job until he became a Muslim, his whole family remained Catholic.

    He died childless (three years ago on cancer.) His remaining family has huge problems with his estate, because infidels cannot be heirs of a Muslim……

  3. says

    Another factor: separation of church and government

    Under Sharia, the government exists to enforce Islamic law. Islam conquered the entire Middle East as an indistinguishable mixture of politics and religion. There was no room for a reformer to get a breath of air, to develop ideas in relative safety.

    Christianity injected itself into the Roman government, which already had its system of laws and bureaucracy. Once the Roman government, beginning with Constantine in his later life, enforced religious orthodoxy and eliminated pagan worship, the Roman empire became vulnerable to attack and dissolution. It was not the lack of paganism, of course, which damaged the Roman empire, but the enforcement of orthodoxy.

    Real scientific advancement in Europe accelerated with the Protestant reformation and the establishment of independent city-states, providing protection for brilliant thinkers ahead of their time, such as Galileo. Again, it was not Protestantism per se which brought about advancement, but the commercial and military rivalry between independent city-states and states which made technological and scientific advancements critical for survival and dominance.

    Again, the real decline of Spain began with the ascendancy of the Inquisition, and the self-proclaimed mission of the royal government to advance and enforce Catholicism. Spanish technological progress stopped, and England, a young, dynamic and diverse culture, ate Spain’s lunch and dinner.

    Muslim countries will never produce real scientists or Nobel prize winners.

  4. says

    Moorthy S. Muthuswamy, author of Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War, touches on this subject in two You Tube vids–

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-wuQTxdw8I

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1od2EnJEcYM

    He covers some of the same subjects mentioned above, and gives it an interesting POV from the Indian side of the conflict.

    Most interesting to me is how he describes Pakistan, despite sharing “ethnicity, culture, and language” with India, is now lagging far behind.

  5. says

    While I agree wholeheartedly that there’s something wrong with the culture nurtured by Islam, I quibble with some of the arguments. For example, Anti-Jihadists note that Malay had to adapt an English word for “innovation”.

    Our word “innovation” is itself an adaptation from Latin. So is “science”, an adaptation from the Latin word for “knowledge”. “Democracy” comes from Greek. Indeed, almost every important word in English comes from either Latin (including the circuitous route via Norman French) or from Greek. Even “tea” is borrowed from Hokkien Chinese.

    If we look at the dynamic ecnomies of the Pacific Rim, modern Chinese has coined a lot of neologisms. Dianhua, for telephone, means “electric speech”, Minzhu, for democracy, means “people rule”, etc.

    Linguiustic borrowing is no indicator that a people’s thought processes is deficient, and, for all I know, back in pre-colonial days when literary Malay was written in Djawi script, they may have had some term denoting “something new” which dropped out of usage. It happens all the time in almost all languages.

    Could it be that the problem the lands of Islam has vis-a-vis those shaped by Christianity (and Judaism) may stem more from theological and spiritual issues. While both Christianity and Islam have doctrines of divine sovereignty, even the starchiest Calvinist can see law as stemming ultimately from the moral character of God (see Stair’s _Institutions of the Laws of Scotland_, 1679), whereas the divine sovereignty posited by Islam can be merely a matter of divine caprice. The Christian laboring under the consciousness of original sin tended to ask, “where did I go wrong?” and sought improvements from that starting point. Islam, lacking such a doctrine, may well foster a kind of self-satisfaction which rapidly degenerates into the attitude of “who did this to us?” whenever something goes wrong.

  6. says

    Anti-Jihadist – you are using your own cultural values (emphasis on the individual vs. the group, equality vs. gender and other inequalities, a belief in progress) as the basis for what’s good and bad, right and wrong.

    There are many cultures that would fit your general list (or most of it), including China and India, neither of which is lagging behind any longer because the political class is no longer burdened by irrelevant ideologies.

    The Islamic world lags behind because of the shackles its often irrelevant, harmful, and counterproductive totalitarian ideology imposes on the Muslim mind, values, beliefs, and behaviors. The pure hatred that is so easily generated towards non-Muslims is but one example of how harmful and wasteful it can be.

    If Muslims want to remain backward, that’s their business. The problem is that Islamic ideology requires its followers to “make it [Islam] superior to all other systems of belief” (9:33). Devout Muslims cannot leave non-Muslims (or non-devout Muslims or “heretics”) alone, free or independent. To do so is a violation of the requirements of their faith. Thus, dawa, jihad, etc.

    That most of the rest of the world is leaving them behind, which signifies allah’s disfavor, only seems to reinforce the devotion of believers to the political-religious-social ideology (to regain allah’s favor) that is the source of their backwardness and which has been a great misfortune for the rest of humanity since the days of Muhammad.

    Without some form of enlightenment or reformation, or realization that the rest of the world isn’t going to put with Islamic presumptions and meanness any longer, then we can expect more violence and bloodshed from the devout followers of the “religion of peace, tolerance, justice” and, to quote Obama, “fairness.”

  7. says

    Performing repetitive, rote recitations with the required washing rituals, and prostrations 5 TIMES A DAY, inevitably must zap the energy and creativity from the populace.

    Just imagine NASA, when plannng to land a man on the moon, would stop their work 5 times a day to pray to a moon-god.

  8. says

    You all make good points, but personally the main reason I see for the backwardness in Islam is the doctrine that Mohammed’s Quran is the final word in all things, including science. The budding Islamic da Vinci tinkering with his skateboard to make it better would very likely be told by his frowning father to “put that away and go read you quran”.

  9. says

    I would submit that fatalism is a leading cause for lack of innovation and advancement in the Islamic world. The fatalistic world view says, for example, “I don’t need a doctor because God will heal if he “wills” it.” In a fatalistic world view one is not responsible for one’s actions. I believe this fatalism is responsible for creating an apathetic and incurious mindset among the adherents of Islam. Thus, Islam has not advanced any culture where it has been established.

    Furthermore, the Islamic world is obsessed with death. The West loves life. In the OT God says that those who hate Him love death. Such a mindset cannot result in compassion and love for others, or a duty to serve mankind.

    On the other hand, one of the “gifts of the Jews” is Western Civilization, of which the Bible is its literature. Western Civilization has given us advancements in medicine, science, the arts, democracy, etc.

    The difference between Islam and the West is like night and day. And Islam will never catch up. That’s not to say that individual Muslims cannot accomplish anything great. But they have had to come to the West to learn. Sadly, many of them turn around and use their knowledge only for destruction.

  10. says

    This list has a lot in common with the communist system as it played out in actual use in Russia and similar countries.

    Belief in conspiracies= lack of a free press.

    Lack of innovation. Communist countries did not invent very much, preffering to copy western innovations or use espionage to steal technological secrets. That is how the Soviets got nukes and the chinese a space program. It’s all stolen technology.

    Innovation is from being able to think differently than others and this is violently frowned upon in communist societies. People who are very good at their jobs got screwed over by their co workers and sent to siberia.

    Lack of devotion to non-family/non tribal/non-clan organizations. Not exactly the same but there is not the same responsibility to the general good in those societies because that becomes the responsibility of the state. I suppose it is a matter of moderation.

    I watched a dvd about soviet propoganda cartoons, the lecturer pointed out the steady drop in quality of those cartoons as the animators with the greatest skill and creativity eventually all got sent to siberia or blacklisted.

    Lack of personal responsibility. In communist societies the state becomes the sole source of and sole enforcer of ethics, concience and morality. This translates into little things. I often see people who have moved from a from a large communist country to America throw their trash on the ground rather then carry it for a minute to a public trash can. The public good is the states responisiblity, not the individuals.

    Personal responsibility is tied to individuality. Totalitarian states may not wish people to develop personal responsibility preciselly because it is tied to individuality.

    Lack of meritocracy. In communist countries manipulating the system is rewarded over living by the system. This produces a “normal” population with different attitudes about criminality and fraud. Being able to get away with ripping people or institutions off in the most petty ways is considered “smart” rather then criminal.

    I have belonged to 2 gyms with a lot of 1st gen immagrant chinese members and have seen BOTH have to change their towel policies. The YMCA in chinatown actually specified members of the elder swim group could no longer use the supplied towels. It’s NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CHINESE. Rather it’s because they are from a communist country and that’s what affected their ethics.

    People with innovative minds end up being kicked out of the system or worse, often by jealous, less skilled rivals.

    The communist and totalitarian philosophies seem to create the exact opposite qualities in a population it claims to value.

  11. says

    OT but hilarious. The ad that came on this page was for dates from Madina being sold at the ZumZumStore (they just sell dates online (the kind you eat, not online dating)).

    At the top of their homepage is this:

    “ICNA CONVENTION ALERT!!!
    PLEASE note all orders received from Friday, May 27 until Monday, May 30, will be shipped on May 31 after convention. Insha Allah, see you at convention. ”

    About the benifits of Ajwa dates, the site claims:

    ” Prophet Muhammad’s favorite dates. ” (The koran claims they eased Aishas childbirth pains)

    -they ease childbirth pains, stimulate milk production, and prevent blood loss after childbirth (yah, sure they do).

    and:

    “The Prophet said, “He who eats seven Ajwa dates every morning, will not be affected by poison or magic on the day he eats them.” (Sahih Bukhari: Vol 7, Book 65, Number 356)”

    About IMITATION dates: There are also IMITATIONED and inferior quality dates sold as “Ajwa dates.”

    Carefull, you wouldn’t want to eat an IMITATIONED awja date or a wizard might be able to put a spell on you. Ooga booga booga.

    Thanks for the ad revenue guys! I guess this would be anti Jizra.

    Seriously, I’m sure its a fine company and the dates are great but it is a pretty funny advert placement.

  12. says

    Given that all cultures are ‘equal’ and Muslims consider theirs to be superior, the West shouldn’t even try to advance the Islamic societies.

    The reason: you can’t save people who don’t want to be saved. Leave these cultures to their own devices. Our response should be to deny them access to OUR lands.

  13. says

    In the past fifty years, many countries have caught up with the rich and developed Western World. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, with virtually no natural resources, have created advanced, urbanized and prosperous societies, complete with world-class technology that often exceed that which is found in the West. India, Brazil and China, although not yet fully developed, now all possess large and affluent middle classes that did not exist just a few decades ago. There is no reason to believe why their economic and social progress of all of these countries will not continue for the foreseeable future.
    ………………………….

    Very, very true, Anti Jihadist. Good article.

    I would also add Thailand (the non-Muslim northern part of the country) to this second group of emerging economies, and Israel”although her circumstances are somewhat unique”to your first group.

    More:

    The Muslim world, on the other hand, has struggled during this era of unprecedented global wealth creation…

    How could this be the case? The answer, which the major media dares not touch, lies in the very culture of Muslim countries themselves.
    ………………………….

    Again, very true.

    Superstition, conspiracy theories, cognitive dissonance (believing two mutually exclusive things at the same time)”these are all forms of irrationality. Much of this traces back to the idea that since “Allah is not fettered” that there are no natural laws of any kind, and Allah can simply do what he pleases, and the observed world has no patterns whatsoever.

    “Insh’allah fatalism” is also a part of this”the idea that one cannot ever really plan for anything, since Allah can scuttle any plans he chooses. This goes *way* beyond the rational realization that unforeseen circumstances can arise. This also explains the frequent ban on insurance in the Muslim world, without which it is almost impossible for any private individual or company to launch any even mid-scale project. Any such can only be launched by government”and we know how innovative and efficient that tends to be.

    The suspicion of Bi’dah is linked to the idea that the “Prophet” Muhammed is the perfect man, and the Qur’an the unchanging word of Allah. Muslims take this far more literally than do Christians or other groups. Recently, a falafel cart owner was murdered”because falafels did not exist during Muhammed’s time.

    It is not just the freezing of time, either”it is the period in which it is frozen. Dark Ages Arabia”beyond the edge of most ancient civilizations, and with the scant vestiges of those civilizations mostly in ruins”and with the caravan-raiding, uncivilized Bedouin Arabs as the unchanging cultural touchstone, it is hardly surprising Islam continues to be so backward.

    Education is linked to this, as well”the idea, in the most Islamic countries that nothing is really worth knowing if it is not contained in the Qur’an, the Hadith, or the Sira. Hence, you have Madrassas where students *learn nothing* that is not contained in Islam. This basic idea hobbles eduction and learning in the Muslim world in general.

    Good universities are lacking even in the most comparatively advanced Muslim countries”anyone serious about education studies in the West. This is also why”famously”more books are translated into Spanish *in a single year* than the total number of books translated into Arabic *over the past thousand years*.

    It may be apocryphal, but the final destruction of the Library at Alexandria”it had been severely damaged several times previously”Umar is said to have said: “As for the books you have mentioned I can say that those which agree with the Book of God (The Quran) are to be disposed of because Quran is sufficient. And if they have things which contradict the Quran, so they must be deposed of”.

    As for tribalism, it is worth quoting the famous Arab saying: “It was me against my brother, me and my brother against my brother, me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan … and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.”

    There is the terrible oppression of women, of course”but also of non-Muslim minorities, non-Arab Muslims, minority ethnic groups such as the Berbers and the Kurds, and “other-sect” Muslims”such as Shi’ites in Sunni-majority countries, and sects considered “heretical” such as the Ahmadi”who are regularly oppressed in Dar-al-Islam. Besides the terrible injustice of such oppression, there is the senseless loss of human capital to society.

    More:

    Lack of personal responsibility. Muslim leaders often lie to or deceive their own people, to subordinates, or to allies in order to advance their own personal agendas.
    ………………………….

    Islam is shot-through with the telling of falsehoods. There is Taqiyya”lying for religious reasons sanctioned by Islam. then there is the model of the “Prophet””Muhammed himself sanctioned lying to victims in order to get close enough to assassinate them. Even Allah is described”favorably!”as “the best schemer”.

    In addition, there is the factor mentioned above. in a world-view that lacks rationality, the whole idea of objective truth is devalued.

    The lack of skilled labor is not only linked to poor education as noted above, but also to the idea that productive labor in general is fit only for slaves. Islam still very much has the idea that”just like the prophet”a Muslim should live off the labor of others”in the form of slavery, Jizya, tribute, foreign aid, or even welfare benefits.

    And why not? The “Prophet” Muhammed himself was a caravan-raider and a slave-trader, who also collected ransom and tribute from his victims.

    In oil-rich societies such as Saudi Arabia, few Saudi men work at all. As you note, almost all labor”from the most highly-skilled engineer to construction workers to the lowliest domestic”is almost entirely foreign.

    As to meritocracy, Islam has little respect for talented individuals, and more respect”as you note”for religious, tribal, and family connections.

    It also has great respect for shear, brute force”hardly surprising for a creed founded by a brutal war lord.

  14. says

    Islam fosters cultural, political, and economic stagnation because individualism is an anathema to it. An absence of freedom of speech inculcates minds that lack any measure of intellectual vigor in any realm of human action, whether in politics, science, or art. If one fears to say what is on one’s mind, even to oneself, nothing will happen. One treads water in a brackish pond of the given. That is the condition of most Muslims, who are locked in a stasis of their own making. They are alive, but, for all practical purposes, they are dead. Their cognitive faculties have atrophied. They become interchangeable ciphers (I always cite the analogy of The Borg from Star Trek). Their only assurance or guarantee that the universe is reliable and knowable is to submit to pointless rituals and to accept the word of their moral “superiors” (imams, mullahs). They become immune to reason. They are incapable of valuing anything beyond the concrete aspects of their creed; they develop a seething hostility and hatred for anyone or anything that contradicts their assumptions. Woe to any Muslim who violates the arbitrary diktats of Mohammed. Thus the stonings, hangings, and so on. They become super-sensitive any criticism of their beliefs, because the criticism is not only a threat to them, but also because criticism implies a world-view that is possible beyond their blinkered metaphysics and epistemology. Thus the violent demonstrations and jihad. Muslims are not capable of starting anything like the American Revolution; the so-called “Arab Spring” is fundamentally a hankering for a friendlier despot.

  15. says

    Wellington’s post,
    One of the wars that Wellington referred to vis-a-vis Spain and subsequently why Spain spiraled into decline was the centuries long maritime warfare in the Mediterranean Sea. This warfare was against the neverending assault by Muslim forces on southern Europe and European shipping. Spain fought this maritime jihad almost alone from 1500 on. The bulk of the wealth extracted (not pleasantly) from the New World went ino this Med warfare.
    One of the prime reasons Henry the Navigator (a Portuguese)launched his explorations into the Atlantic was that the MUslims had made the Med a no-go zone thereby greatly extending the moribund economic conditions in Europe throughout the Dark and Middle ages.

  16. says

    Yet no-one has mentioned the prohibition of alcohol as a contributing factor to the moral stasis that besets Islam. Alcohol has the effect of lowering inhibitions and wisely consumed leads to social interaction and a sense of kinship that promotes, horror of horrors, the free exchange of ideas.

  17. says

    This is all very easy to understand. Firstly, there is Muslim logic which is very simple when your mind had been stolen and it goes “Islam good everything else bad”. Second, again only for stolen minds is that Muslim’s need nothing but the Qu’ran because everyone knows that it tells you how to build bridges, construct water treatment works, design a drug, forecast the weather – everything. Lastly, every Muslim knows that if they want success all they have to do is listen endlessly to the Qu’ran and Shariah for guidance. Just test it out go and look at the astounding success to be found in the Muslim world.

    Socrates was said to be the wisest man in Greece but he also said his one qualification was that he knew nothing, his mind was open. Contrast that with how Muslims see themselves – well they know everything.

    Stolen minds – what hope is there for Muslims. Of course the average Muslim who reads this will think its praise, they have no idea about sarcasm?

  18. says

    Christianity’s greatest experiment began when the protestant settlements became the original 13 colonies. The acension of America to Superpower Status in less than 200 years is testament to the empowerment of humanity by Devine spiritual virtue. The light of the World that Christ refered to is not just a mystical ideal but a mental and moral enlightenment that demands a level of practical expression beyond anything the desenters can experience, especially those filled with hatred and the darkness it demands.

  19. says

    In answering the question of why muslims lag behind all other nations one point is universally ignored –
    The unabated production of babies by muslims regardless of what kind of life the parents can offer the new-born.
    Islam encourages its followers to have as many children as they can have and this has a disastrous effect on the economy of any country.

  20. says

    The reason the Muslim world lags behind the west is they have no foundation for science. Their god is a god of chaos – directly maintaining every instant of every day and not accountable to any logic, restraint of character or law – and science doesn’t work with chaos. That’s the root cause. Any gains they have made historically have come from the plundering of societies and peoples they have conquered. They haven’t conquered anything in a long time which logically means they haven’t advanced in a long time.

  21. says

    And here I was thinking it might be about the 1400 years of inbreeding { in terms of the established practice of marrying your first cousin}.

  22. says

    And might I add

    Honor-dignity-shame syndrome

    Men from most Muslim societies must avoid shame at all costs, because the internal emotions which stem from a shaming are unbearable. Moreover, as part of the eternal clan wars going on in Muslim societies, all men are trying their damndest to shame everybody else

    What this means is that Muslims men must concentrate all their thinking in avoiding pitfalls that lead to shaming, and if they are shamed must purge it with the most violent response imaginable. Not only that, this makes it almost impossible for Muslim men to take chances because the fear of failure (shameful) is too great. They also can’t admit mistakes, hence learn from them

    Islamic time syndrome

    Islam comes from the culture of the desert herdsman. This means that they come from a culture that never needed to plan and schedule events in order to ensure a future benefit, (ie a bountiful harvest.) There are no seasons in the Middle East. There’s not even a differentiation between night and day as times to work and times to sleep. Desert nomads would just as soon be active at night as in the heat of the day. What all this means is that there is no internal clock inside these people. Things like schedules and timetables totally throw them. This is why they failed utterly at industrialization … and modern conventional warfare

  23. says

    Fightback, and Call Me Lennie

    Re. ‘1400 years of inbreeding’.

    Too broad a statement.

    That ‘1400 years’ only applies, strictly speaking, to the original heartlands of Islam: the Arabian peninsula. All other Islamic countries were Islamised later than that; some, a good deal later (Nuristan, in Afghanistan, for example, was a non-Muslim animist society right up until the 19th century, so they have only been subjected to *one century* – four generations – of Islam so far; the Circassian ethnos were Islamised in the 15th century; the Nubians within what is now Sudan, were a *Christian* society for 1000 years, only succumbing to forced Islamisation about 400 years ago, i.e. around 1600/ 1700, so they too cannot be said to have been subjected to ‘1400 years’ of the inbreeding that is promoted by the suspicion and aggression Islam produces in its victims).

    And as for having ‘no internal clock’ because ‘Islam comes from the culture of the desert herdsmen’.

    I’d be careful of relying too much on environmental determinism to account for the peculiarities of Islam: as if a given ideology is an *automatic* or *necessary* product of a given environment; or as if any desert environment would produce something an equivalent of ‘Islam’ in the people living there.

    Because the Arabs themselves only became ‘Muslims’ 1400 years ago. Islam ‘froze’ and encoded and perpetuated *some* aspects of the pre-Islamic Arab desert society – I would argue, the *worst* aspects – but not all of them, by any means. Women, for example, before Islam, seem to have had higher status and more independence: just look at Khadija herself, before she took up with Mohammed, or look at Asma bint Marwan. There was music and art and sculpture (witness all those idols in the Kaaba, that Mohammed took out and destroyed when he took over; *somebody* had to have carved them), and people kept pet dogs (because Mohammed had to make a decree against it), and drank palm wine, and women did not go about covered up in sacks. But all of this, a richer and more varied world that had a degree of curiosity and openness to outside ideas (as witness the tolerated presence of Jews and Christians among the pagan Arabs) was obliterated by Islam and, to be blunt, massively ‘dumbed down’. Islam ate the souls of the Arabs, or they sold their souls to Islam. As one famous saying goes – the problem is not so much that Mohammed was a Bedouin, as that he was a degenerate – that is, an *evil* – Bedouin.

    I don’t think ‘environment’ decrees absolutely what a culture is or can become.

    (Think of the contrast today between North and South Korea: it’s the result not of differing physical environments, but of the ill chances of very recent history, human choices. Throughout most of its known history, Korea was one society, with a homogenous population, one language, and distinct – and uniform – culture. Before the communists took over, North Korea was Christianising rapidly – Pyongyang was called ‘the Jerusalem of the North’, it had so many christians and churches. All destroyed, now.)

    One can’t argue that the lack of a time sense, in Muslim peoples, is ‘genetic’, derived from desert herder ancestors. For what of Islamised peoples in lush well-watered subtropical Southeast Asia: forest-dwellers, farmers and fishermen? *They* descend (genetically speaking) from people with a very different experience, in a very different environment, from that of the Arab Muslims. If they exhibit all the disastrous features of the original ‘Arab’ Muslims, it cannot be set down to anything in their dna. The problem is purely ideological. If they abandon Islam and embrace a different faith, they will behave differently.

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    I live in the M.E. and have noticed that the main way of passing the time for people here is socializing. They spend all their time when they aren’t at work just talking to each other (mainly family or extended family members), or talking on their cell phones. They never read a book (except the Koran), and don’t give toys to the kids or anything for them to play with that would teach them coordination or dexterity. They don’t like to exercise or go outside that much, and watch TV and action movies. Not many parks, no joggers, no bicyclists. How could a society advance when potentially productive time is just spent talking and socializing? That is the favorite passtime.

  25. says

    Wow,

    Muthuswamy is really good. Thanks for providing the link.

    One of the things I learned immediately: I had always heard that Muhammad Jinnah, the architect of Pakistan at independence, was a secular Muslim who didn’t take Sharia very seriously and who envisioned Pakistan as a haven of tolerance and diversity.

    Muthuswamy demolished that point of view with his quote from Jinnah that Sharia is as relevant today as it was 1300 years ago.

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    Those riots in the 90’s included some mahoundianism combined with cannibalism, didn’t it? I remember having read about it under a headline that said “kill, chop up and eat up”, to describe what the Chinese victims of mahoundian barbarism were going through.

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    While you make some valid historical points, I think you stretch things a bit in other ways. Two examples: You allege that the Roman Empire became “vulnerable to attack and dissolution” once Christian orthodoxy was enforced by the Roman government. But Rome, a century or more before Constantine and long before Theodosius, and while Christianity was still an occasionally persecuted religion, began to suffer attacks on its perimeters as well as being faced with internal problems of the first degree. Even Marcus Aurelius, the last of the Five Good Emperors, spent much of his reign fighting German tribes and Parthians. And thereafter, when the Severan dynasty was finished, came the period of the Barrack Emperors (235-284 A.D.) when Rome really declined from within, due to such things as plague, population loss, uncertain succession to the imperial throne and debasement of the coinage, and was faced with numerous attempts by Germanic tribes and others to take parts of the Empire, never mind the addition of rogues like Postumus who sectioned off parts of the Empire for their own selfish use. I sense you are trying to revive the old Edward Gibbon thesis that Christianity was the real reason for Rome’s decline. But, of course, the vast majority of ancient historians over the past century or more have almost entirely dismissed this thesis for many reasons, some of which I mentioned above.

    As for Spain declining because of the “ascendancy of the Inquisition,” actually the opposite is the case. The Inquisition was established in Spain in 1480, while Ferdinand and Isabella were in the early years of their joint rule, during which time they quite adeptly made certain that Spain (technically Aragon and Castille) was put on the path to top power status. Charles V (Charles I of Spain) and Philip II who followed were truly powerful monarchs and Spain was at its height during the sixteenth century under these men. But it wasn’t the Inquisition that brought Spain down but rather the many costly wars fought by Spain during the sixtenth century coupled with onerous taxation at home and a refusal to build native industries instead of wasting all that gold and silver coming from the mines of Peru and Mexico on wars that produced little or nothing. It is true that the Catholic Church insured a rigid orthodoxy in Spanish centers of higher learning, and thus Spain missed out on the many advances being made elsewhere in Europe, but to aver that the decline of Spain is co-terminous with the rise of the Inquisition is simply not supported by the facts.

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    RonaldB’s point was correct, notwithstanding the historical arguments that you made. His statement that the reason the Roman Empire became “vulnerable to attack and dissolution” once Christian orthodoxy was enforced by the Roman government is VALID. However, I would not use the term “orthodoxy” because it tends to legitimize religious tyranny as a Biblical norm, and it is not. The Reformation corrected that distortion.

    Religious tyranny is what infected the Roman Empire when the Catholic Church took Christianity into the dark ages of apostasy and tarnished its reputation by the Catholic departure from the Biblical teachings of grace. The Roman church took control of the Roman state when Charlemagne accepted the crown as Emperor offered by Pope Leo III. By so doing, both Charlemagne and the Pope corrupted their offices. They chose to ignore the four protective Divine Institutions (free will, marriage, family and nationalism) that are provided to preserve and prosper any nation that honors them and gives God the credit as its protector.
    Before Charlemagne was made Emperor, Rome had been steadily deteriorating, and there were “attacks on Rome’s perimeters” that you mentioned. What you fail to realize is that Rome’s troubles during its national decline was yet another example of God’s warning discipline. My point is that there is plenty of Biblical precedent to support the principle that God provides grace before judgment. Examples include Rome, also Israel’s Northern Kingdom which fell in 721 BC, and its Southern Kingdom which fell in 521 BC, both of which were repeatedly admonished to correct their spiritual rebellion. Their prophets warned them of impending national discipline because of their debauchery, idolatry, child sacrifice, etc. Likewise, Rome began its decline and was under an increasing incidences of national discipline until its final collapse.

    Valid interpretations of the rise and fall of nations must ALWAYS include Biblical precedent and context. Otherwise, a humanist perspective incorrectly interprets syndromes as causal and does not connect Divine discipline with the loss of a spiritual perspective based on the Word of God. One of the most prevalent syndromes of rebellion is Anti-Semitism. It’s devastating consequences were manifested by what happened to Spain after the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler’s Germany, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Ottoman Empire, and many, many other examples). The persecution of Christians had negative consequences for the people of France due to the persecution of the Huguenots who left with the result that France lost most of its skilled artisans and those in the arts, sciences and industry to other nations who welcomed them with open arms.

    The history of Islam is the best example of a religious state that has fine tuned its mind-control techniques to become the most heinous international criminal organization in history, which so far has killed at least 270 million people. The genocide by Muslims is greater than that committed by Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler combined.
    The raging delusion of Islam still prowls the earth seeking whom it may devour. It is now testing the discernment of the American public. Does our spiritual IQ exceed that of the nations of Europe who are morally bankrupt and are falling for its illusions as a peaceful religion? Do we understand that Muslims are domestic enemies who are using the 1st Amendment to hijack Article 6? Are we willing to refute and resist federal tyranny by our own government? Do we have the moral courage to utilize the constitutional provisions of the 10th Amendment to interpose states rights against the 3 branches of Fedzilla? Do we realize that our federal government has violated the principles of local self-government as taught in Exodus 18, which opposes tyrannical dictatorial central government that would rule rather than serve the people?

    We have elected evil leaders because our citizens lack discernment, and lack moral courage as a people. God gave us the mantle of American exceptionialism because we honored Him. He would be totally justified to remove His protection from us lest we return to the values that the founders relied upon to build this once great nation.

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    “Insh’allah fatalism” is also a part of this”
    ++++++++++++++++++

    To some extent even Hindus are also fatalistic, so I was wondering……….what is different between Hindu fatalism and muslim fatalism.
    Here is what i found:
    Hindus have a verse from the Bhagvad Geeta which says, ‘To achieve your goals, act to the best of your ability and leave the results to God’
    Hence their fatalism is only so far as the result is concerned. It does not apply to an individual’s actions. Actions towards achieving goals are solely upto the individual.
    And the benefit of this type of fatalism is that the anticipation of result (good or bad) does not cause any stress.

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    John Noble wrote:

    The Roman church took control of the Roman state when Charlemagne accepted the crown as Emperor offered by Pope Leo III…Before Charlemagne was made Emperor, Rome had been steadily deteriorating, and there were “attacks on Rome’s perimeters” that you mentioned.
    …………………………

    Actually, by Charlemagne’s time”the late 8th- and early 9th-centuries”classical Rome had *long since fallen*. Europe had been broken up into small, isolated, and unstable states for several centuries at this point.

    The Carolingian age, in fact, was the first’short-lived, as it turned out”attempt at a Renaissance.

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    Khushi wrote:

    To some extent even Hindus are also fatalistic, so I was wondering……….what is different between Hindu fatalism and muslim fatalism.

    Here is what i found:
    Hindus have a verse from the Bhagvad Geeta which says, ‘To achieve your goals, act to the best of your ability and leave the results to God’
    …………………………

    Interesting, Khushi. A great many Christians and Jews have a similar view. In fact, even many secularists basically take this approach”that you plan carefully, and work hard, but other factors may affect the outcome.

    I consider this more clear-eyed realism than the kind of deadening fatalism you find in so much of Dar-al-Islam. While it tempers unrealistic expectations, it in no way deters achievement.

    Hugh Fitzgerald has written at length on the deleterious effects of “Insh’allah fatalism” on Muslim societies.

    The following”from 2008″makes an excellent companion piece to Anti Jihadist’s “Why Muslim cultures lag behind”:

    “Fitzgerald: Lack of prosperity in the Islamic world”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/08/fitzgerald-lack-of-prosperity-in-the-islamic-world.html