Britain is one of few countries in which Hizb ut-Tahrir is not banned; there has been a history of strange wishful thinking regarding the group, as last year, the government expressed hope the group could be a "safety valve" for potential "extremists" who were "tempted by violence."
But the group has "not ruled out" armed rebellion in Tunisia for the sake of imposing Sharia, and in general, "regards integration as 'dangerous,' orders all Muslims to keep apart from non-believers and says that 'those [Muslims] who believe in democracy are Kafir;"
HuT would certainly appear to be a prime candidate for inclusion in the government's broader definition of "extremism" announced in recent days, which includes putatively non-violent advocacy for Sharia. "Updated anti-extremism strategy published," from BBC News, June 7:
Home Secretary Theresa May has launched the government's updated strategy for tackling terrorism by saying there needs to be better focus on preventing extremism at community levels. [...]
Speaking in the House of Commons, Mrs May said the strategy had failed to tackle the extremist ideology which "inspires would-be terrorists to seek to bring death and destruction to our towns and cities".
"In trying to reach out to those at risk of radicalisation, funding sometimes even reached the very extremist organisations that Prevent should have been confronting. [...]
Critics of the government's new policy argue there are some hardline conservative groups who have theological arguments to defeat al-Qaeda recruiters on Britain's streets.
The target must not be al-Qaeda alone, or violence alone. It must be Sharia, if the British way of life, its values, and its freedoms are to be protected.
These groups now face being marginalised from government funding.
But Lord Carlile of Berriew, the independent reviewer of Prevent, said: "Many Muslims and Muslim groups have stepped up to the plate and are able to do the work with government and local authorities to deal with radicalisation.
"Government does not need to have truck with extremists, and it won't." [...]
But Ms Cooper said there was a gap between Mrs May's rhetoric and the reality of the government's policy on terrorism, while budget cuts would make it more difficult for Whitehall to deal with extremists. [...]
Indeed, especially as up to 70 "high risk extremists" are set for release.
Ms Cooper also attacked the government for failing to ban one radical Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, even though it pledged to do so while in opposition. Labour ministers said they would ban it, but did not.
Cameron himself called for a ban.
Mrs May said the government was keeping the group "under constant review". ....
Melanie Phillips:
"I warned about this years ago. Now ministers admit I was right."
{Opening excerpt}:-
"Now they tell us. Ministers have finally admitted what I revealed in my book, Londonistan, back in 2006 and have written many times since then – that, incredible as it may seem, hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money that was supposed to be spent on countering Islamic extremism has gone to groups or individuals actually promoting Islamic extremism.
"Paralysed by political correctness, the previous Labour government, the intelligence agencies, police, universities and other institutions decided to try to promote ‘moderate’ Muslim groups to tackle the extremists."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2000622/Islamic-extremism-I-warned-years-ago--ministers-admit-I-right.html#ixzz1OgYWsm5x
Melanie Phillips well pinned the tail on the donkey with 'Londonistan'. .and on the subject Hizb ut Tahrir, Obama's Dalia Mogahed did not help matters by lending them an air of legitimacy in her radio-interview with them.
Failing Sun Tzu's insightful maxim of self-awareness and knowing your enemy, as mentioned yesterday and as made clear by this article, the British no longer know themselves, and most certainly don't know their enemies (or friends) either.
At some point, the "special relationship" between the U.S. and the U.K. will have to be ended. The U.K. and Europe are destined to be ever greater national security threats unless the Islamic threat is taken seriously and dealt with accordingly.
The U.S. fought three major wars during the 20th century to prevent a hostile power from dominating the European continent. Now, the continent is groveling slowly and willfully toward submission to the religion of intolerance, violence, hatred, and injustice, and its adherents.
. .let's hope there's some method to the apparent madness. .fly-paper springs to mind.
Two further report from UK today; one giving some hope, one not:
1.)"Lords Bill to tackle Sharia Courts"
http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2011/06/lords-bill-to-tackle-sharia-courts.html
2.)"Mumbai-style terror plotter will be allowed to live in London"
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23957972-mumbai-style-terror-plotter-will-be-allowed-to-live-in-london.do
If I understand this, once the British government decides that a group is subversive, and has the objective of doing away entirely with the British form of government, the government simply stops giving the group money. That seems to be subject to as much controversy as, say, reinstituting the death penalty.
At least in the US, the bar is higher for public support of any group. The Islamists have to fund themselves or ship in money from Saudi Arabia, which at least is obviously an alien source of support.
Yes; for those unfamiliar with Melanie Phillips' book, 'Londonistan', here is a
'look inside':
http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/1594031444#reader_1594031444
I thought Neville Chamberlin prime minister of the Uk had died long time ago. So how come it's as if he were still around and with the govt making endless compromises with evil?
It's hard to watch the Europeans cutting back on their dreams. Like a family during a recession, tough times are forcing the ruling elites over there to cut back on their willful self-delusions, one ridiculous convention at a time.
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When all the leaves are peeled away, what will be left? Will there be a shrunken Infidel heart at the center, and if that dormant organ is inside, what good would it be?
Don't ban HuT...Ban instead Michael Savage...he is a far greater threat to the public...
Don't ban HuT...Ban instead Michael Savage...he is a far greater threat to the public...
Has the Savage been going off again? I remember a few years ago, after he had received a personal threat, he took a few days off from his show in favor of a substitute host. I was listening in my car one evening when Michael called into his own show. Inebriated on Napa wine, he droned on about the threat and how it had affectetd him, and how it was so tragic that Moslems were poorly led and misunderstood. He may as well have waved a white flag of Surrender. To the belief system named Surrender.
He even slurred something about the great civilizations in Islam's past, pointing to the architecture in Istanbul (nee Constantinople).
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Shaking my head, I switched my radio to a country music station. Simpler and more reliable that way. What a bombastic pussy he is.
Yep, that's him all right...I quit listening when I got tired of hearing about 'him' all the time...
The British government and media 'get their Islam' from academia - and we know that's run by the Muslim Brotherhood, financed by the Saudis. We know they reccommend 'engaging' extremist groups for obvious reasons.
I saw some muslim vox pops on the BBC news last night, with respect to the Government's 'announcements' yesterday. I'm paraphrasing, but one woman said "the British want to change us to suit them don't they? the government can't interfere in the way we do things in our religion"
surely some projection going on here?! and so it went on with others - same assertions.
I'm not interested in the 40% of Islam that is about being a muslim. I don't care how many times a day they pray, or how they put on and take off a pair of sandals (for those who are interested, it's 'right' on first, 'left' off first. Alternatively, you can put both on or take both off simultaneously). I don't care what they do in muslim countries to each other. They can chop each other up for all I care - good luck to them. It doesn't affect me.
But I am interested in the 60% of Islam that exclusively is about you and I. And, as Islamic doctrine itself says that muslims have no religious relationship with non-muslims whatsoever, that makes it by definition political. That makes it our business to interfere with it, defeat it, and wipe the floor with it.
It's almost amusing to observe a Western government like Britain's exploring all kinds of options and approaches but the correct one in dealing with the detritus of the human race en masse that Islam produces. The correct approach, of course, would be to conclude that all of Islam is the problem, that Islam itself is the ultimate culprit and that truly peaceful Muslims are a diversion from the truth because they aren't very good Muslims. But, no, this isn't going to happen anytime soon though it surely should. Wonder what it will take? As I said, almost amusing.
After Pakistan, Britain is becoming the terror central and yet the dhimmi UK government is not prepared to do anything about it!!
Yes, it would seem that so-called 'moderate muslims' are simply muslims who are not very good at being muslims!
Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote, replying to Duh Swami:
Don't ban HuT...Ban instead Michael Savage...he is a far greater threat to the public...
Has the Savage been going off again?
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Michael Savage may indeed be a "bombastic pussy", APF—certainly, what little I have heard from him has not been particularly impressive.
But the fact that he has *actually been banned from entering Britain*—which Duh Swami was referring to, is *insane*.
He may be a blowhard, but he is not preaching violence. So his banning from a free-speech democracy would be grotesque enough in any case—but is even more so in contemporary Britain, which is awash in Jihadists like those in Hizb-ut-Tahrir.
Jihadists regularly openly call for English blood to run in the streets and for the "black flag of Islam to fly over 10 Downing Street"—and this is tolerated. Blockhead Michael Savage, though, is beyond the pale.
And don't get me started on the banning of the brave and stalwart Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders—which is a much more serious matter...
you are right. he really thinks he is the next best thing to a loaf of bread. I think he is still banned from UK.
Slightly way off topic lol:
Closer to home, meaning here in North America, if you are approximately 25-35 years young and know for certain that Islam is the terribly harmful fraud that it is – get a few of your buddies together, throw $500 each into the kitty, and purchase and older Chevy/Ford/Dodge van...
Paint the van white and in big black lettering write the words:
Islam Sucks! Visit
JihadWatch.org
I am being humorously serious. And why not? To do so is not illegal! Yet...
For if we ourselves don't inform our fellows and stop the cancerous spread of the evil political ideology of Muhammad's sick cult of Islam, who will???
I am an ex-Muslim with a website:
http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org
Hmmm. .the visuals might not be Saachi and Saachi Saleem. .but all the same, a damn smart idea.
And how are things in London, England? this day, Jim?
Islamically ugly in the long term as always I presume?...
I am up to my ace in alligators right now, such that I can devote very little time to JW and "Project Icarus: the wings of freedom." But it is always in my thoughts ruining my sleep. We, collectively and collaboratively will do things that have an impact.
Maybe it ain't gonna be as good as the daze of wine and roses of olde, but it'll be good enough.
Strange, they will ban Michael Savage from entering GB but not this group. Mike is right liberalism is a mental disorder!! Camaron is a phony conservative in my humble opinion like McCain.
Well Saleem, downtown in Knightsbridge and Mayfair MC is runnin' nice and smooothe. Moneyed people swanning 'round enjoying the flux of culture etc. .it's in the back-and-beyonds of suburban Britain where the reality of the Mohammedan bites hard.
Great idea, Saleem, but the cost of the run-flat tires and replacement windows would be prohibitively expensive compared with the cost of the van. I think using the same money for a city/nationwide bus advertising campaign with various websites -- eg., jihadwatch.org, faithfreedom.org, and yours, of course -- would reach a much wider audience, including muslims, which should awake all the so-called "moderates," thereby exposing them all for their complicity in promoting the evil ideology that is islam.
More OT, but I will be attending a speech this evening featuring Bruce Bawer (Surrender, While Europe Slept) and Hege Storhaug on the problems of immigration in Europe, which should be very enlightening, to say the least.
Ima
Muslim will ultimately hate and forever oppose all that is non-Islamic...
ahhh.. I remember traipsing across the country in a grungy old dodge ram van.. those were the days..
I think that printing labels with pertinent information on them and sticking them 'around' in 'legal' places is much more subversively effective..
Perhaps hand written, so no 'enterprise' is assumed..
Just info tags about the factual islam.. harmless.
Ostentatious vehicles are literally an identifiable target.. printer labels make the spreader safe due to the anonymous and discreet way they are spread into the 'public' view...
In the past, leaflets have been employed. Even just left behind on buses and trains in London and Paris, 'accidentally on purpose'.
If anyone posting or lurking here happens to own a truck stop, or a restaurant, or a cafe, or owns a business or practises a profession that involves having a waiting room where people sit and flick through magazines and newspapers, then you know what to do.
Make up a few suitable leaflets and tuck them into the pages of the magazines and newspapers that you provide for your customers or clients. As they 'walk' away, keep on topping up the supply.
Also: the Barnabas Fund has nicely-produced, accurate, easily-readable information sheets that cost about one Australian dollar each. You could order them in in batches of twenty or so, and put *them* in the waiting room for people to find and read and take away. They have one 'What is Islam?', one on 'Islam and Slavery', one on 'Islam and Truth' (covers taqiyya, and other forms of Islamically-sanctioned deception) and 'What is Sharia?'. The 'What is Sharia' booklet is *excellent*. No whitewashing there! (These booklets don't proselytise for Christianity: they are plain, clear, factual accounts of what Islam is and does, and would be just as helpful for secular readers as for Christians).
If you have access to a university campus that has public billboards where people tack up ads for absolutely every activity under the sun, just regularly tack up a little hand-printed ad for jihadwatch and one or two other interesting sites, such as the New English Review, and Former Muslims United.
It's not banned in Australia either. Disgusting.
Quite right.
What's more the group was recently allopweed to hold a meeting in the Brunswick council rooms in the City Of Moreland (Melbourne) by the council.
They could have said no. They chose, after some arguing among the council members, not to. The meeting was sparsely attended (around 40 people) as well as having a bunch of Federal Police, but that's not the point.
A council whose charter includes responsibility for fellow communities, mutlicultural awareness blah blah blah ended up permitting a fascist group preaching the elimination of the Jewish people to meet on their premises.
Yes. Disgusting.
They got a LOT of phone calls, including mine!!
It seems, aaccording to the flunkey I spoke to, that while the meeting was being held, the council was "uncomfortable".
Isn't that sweet???
YOu can bet that ANY group preaching extermination of Muslims would have been firmly and SMUGLY denied permission to meet there.
Surprise, surprise. 'reader comments are currently unavailable.'
Pokermutt wrote:
I am up to my ace in alligators right now, such that I can devote very little time to JW and "Project Icarus: the wings of freedom." But it is always in my thoughts...
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Same with me, Pokermutt. I *will* finish your suggested cartoon soon.
Carpediadem
that's the thing that gets me. These hate-filled Moahmmedans scream 'kill the Jews!' and 'Death to Israel!' in broad daylight...and people let them do it!! If they were wearing Nazi armbands, would they be allowed to get away with it? But if they're wearing Mohammedan robes and beards...
I have told more than one politician, in little tiny words they can understand, that the bigger the Mohammedan population in Australia is allowed to become, the greater is the likelihood that - sooner or later, and probably sooner - there will be a murderous, even mass-murderous, attack upon Australian Jews. With every Mohammedan that steps onto Australian soil, the moment of such an attack draws closer.
There will of course be Muslim attacks on other non-Muslim Australians, too - as witness the various plots that have already been foiled - but it's you guys who are at the very top of the Mohammedan 'People to Hate and Kill' To-Do list, with great big targets painted on your shirts, and I'm kind of expecting that the Muslims will try something soon.
And that makes me both sad and angry, because I am proud that my country has been, so far, a relatively safe place for Jews to live, and one that Jews have blessed by their presence. I don't want Jews to be driven out of Australia by vicious, evil, barbaric Mohammedan thugs.