In this, Egypt begins to sound like Iran. These tests are themselves sexual assaults, but also leave the victims open to further punishments based on the purported "results," whether from authorities threatening prostitution charges, or from unsympathetic families. "Egyptian General Defends 'Virginity Checks' on Protesters," by Ujala Seghal for the Atlantic Wire, May 31 (thanks to all who sent this in):
After previous denials by military officials, a senior Egyptian general has admitted to CNN that "virginity tests" were conducted on female demonstrators arrested in Tahrir Square.
We also reported on this protest around that time, where women protesters were shoved, scolded, groped, and told to go back home where they belong. Apparently the counter-demonstrators had some kindred spirits in high places.
During a March 9 [protest], nearly a month after Hosni Mubarak resigned, the Egyptian military targeted the demonstrators in Tahrir Square, arresting nearly 149 people. An Amnesty International report published weeks later claimed female demonstrators were beaten, given electric shocks, strip-searched, threatened with prostitution charges, and forced to submit to virginity checks.
Maj. Amr Imam said 17 women had been arrested but denied allegations of torture or "virginity tests." Now, a senior Egyptian general who asked not to be identified admits that "virginity checks" were performed, and his defense of the practice reveals a disturbingly bleak attitude towards women. "The girls who were detained were not like your daughter or mine," the general said. "These were girls who had camped out in tents with male protesters in Tahrir Square, and we found in the tents Molotov cocktails and (drugs)."
He then offered the bizarre rationale that the virginity checks were done so that the women would not later claim they had been raped by Egyptian authorities. "We didn't want them to say we had sexually assaulted or raped them, so we wanted to prove that they weren't virgins in the first place," the general said. "None of them were (virgins)." He did not further explain this confounding logic.
Salwa Hosseini, a 20-year-old hairdresser and one of the women named in the Amnesty report, described how she and 16 other female prisoners were taken to a military detention center in Heikstep. They were threatened that “those not found to be virgins” would be charged with prostitution. “The army officers tried to further humiliate the women by allowing men to watch and photograph what was happening, with the implicit threat that the women could be at further risk of harm if the photographs were made public,” Amnesty reported.
A sign of the new democratic Egypt that has risen from the tyranny of the old regime. All those women and Christians who joined the protesters must feel as though their efforts were well worth it.
Where's the outrage from our media. Not that you,d expect them to say much, afterall when their own reporters are sexually abused it's barely worth a mention. Ask a muslim women to remove her veil and its front page news.
To protect the honor of the Egyptian military they violated the honor of the women instead.
All sensible folk must think this ghastly, highly peculiar and illogical procedure to be casting an almighty blemish on the military of Egypt, nay on Egypt entire. It's good to know that modern day Egyptian women who take part in politics and did their bit - despite harassment - during the protests, in the eyes of the ruling establishment are doubtful women of ill repute who have lost their virginity. Any of them married, by any chance?
“The army officers tried to further humiliate the women by allowing men to watch and photograph what was happening"
It's incredible. Simply incredible.
Yeah, how's that Arab Spring going, Liberal moonbats? You know which Liberal moonbat reporter I can't stand the most? Richard Engels. It's like he's gone native or something.
To translate the Major:
He said: "We were trying to prove that they weren't virgins to begin with"
Meaning: You can't *rape* a non-virgin, can you? If she's agreed to it once with someone then she's agreed to it every time with anyone.
That's the official position of the new Egyptian government.
Looks like bad times ahead for Egyptian women.
And yesterday I read that Herman von Rompuy said that "the Ayrab Spring proves that islam isn't incompatible with democracy", among many other such pronouncements by such idiots, still burying their heads in the sand and refusing to see things for what they are in Dar al-Cesspoolstan.
Maybe "Spring" has a different meaning in Egypt..................
"..…If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present… "
Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/04/rape-and-torture-viol-et-torture.html
Re Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi and rape, sodomy, torture and drugging of prisoners.
I cannot accept he has said that. For no other reasons that the source is Irani dissidents only and that such coldblooded, beastly, primitive and medieval behavior needs more proof than hearsay. It's bad enough what we hear from and about Ahmajinedad's religious adviser. I won't accept any man is capable of such moral dirtyness. Perhaps I do not want to believe it only because I think he might actually have said it, that perhaps it is not quite beyond him. But that is not enough for me.
It is a mess ..but I want to see more proof.
"We didn't want them to say we had sexually assaulted or raped them, so we wanted to prove that they weren't virgins in the first place," the general said. "None of them were (virgins)."
I think what he meant to say was, "We had to make sure they weren't virgins in order for us to get away with sexually assaulting and raping them."
CYA for the military.
Nice! I didn't think of it that way. Or perhaps more in the line of: "see, they are whores. They are beneath any consideration".
It was rape.
And, once again, except for that female reporter who was violently raped - Western news organizations, who diligently follow PC Feminist edicts and their narative could care not one whit about what happens to women.
It's been said, on many MRA (Men's / Father's Rights Advocacy) forums that feminists in America don't care about women at all : their issues are a means to an end of liberal female supremacy - meaning if there is a "conflict" (real or imagined, or for political or personal gain or just pure vindictiveness) the scale must be tipped in favor of the woman.
But, now news (not so new and not unknown) comes proof, via the 'net and by admission of the Egyptian Army, that women are being SYSTEMATICALLY sexually assaulted, and since it's not a white, liberal, feminist women - they don't freaking care.
Oh, and should anyone wish to bring up the commonly used "that's not MY version of feminism" or "that's not REAL feminism" - sorry, but too many times that excuse has been used by too many women in the past - the well has run dry.
Any movement can be defined by what the political, academic, governmental (different from political per se), and professionals in that movement advocate, speak up on, try to legislate, and actions they take : not on protestations of innocence in sound-bites.
American feminists are leftist ideologues who indoctrinate bigotry with factiods and regularly engage in male-bashing.
But come time for them to stand up to another "oppressed / protected" group in the PC Pantheon of "victims" - and the women they claim to care about are ignored or blamed for their afflictions.
Nice.
Islam - the greatest invention ever, for manly men:
Multiple wives? YES!
Strict control of wive's freedoms by husband? YES!
Wife cannot refuse sex? YES!
Divorce as simple as saying it 3 times? YES!
No alimony or child visitation for the bitch? YES!
Sex slaves and temporary marriages legal? YES!
Low cost for wive's wardrobe? YES! (black sheet with eye-holes will suffice).
Women prevented from education, employment, political office? YES! (keep da bitches ignorant, poor and powerless)
Public service employees can make virginity checks? YES!
For manly men, Islam is the greatest!
Forced virginity checks!! This is so far beyond wrong and perverted, I can't even wrap my mind around it at any level. It's an ultimate discriminatory violation of a human being. It's not possible to impose forced virginity checks upon men, so what justifies this gross invasion of privacy against the women? Do the believers of any major religion other than Islam condone this type of action? I can't believe these men have any idea how truly sick and depraved their belief system is.
Yea, but Bodee, consider this: for them to "wrap their mind around this" idea - first they'd have to look upon women as fully independent human beings with God given rights that allow them the freedom to have their own minds and a right of free will.
Since, clearly, that is not their mindset, it's always easy to make a rule, law, or procedure for which you will never be held to the same standard, held to account, will never be applied to you, and only happens to "them".
Yea - warped.
Yea, but Bodee, consider this: for them to "wrap their mind around this" idea - first they'd have to look upon women as fully independent human beings with God given rights that allow them the freedom to have their own minds and a right of free will.
Since, clearly, that is not their mindset, it's always easy to make a rule, law, or procedure for which you will never be held to the same standard, held to account, will never be applied to you, and only happens to "them".
Yea - warped.