Ground Zero Mosque Imam Rauf: "If Christians were to regard Muslims as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," many of America's problems with Muslim world would be solved

Hardcore Leftist dhimmi pseudo-journalist David Weigel here casts the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero Mosque Imam Rauf as a victim, lamenting that Rauf "got a brutal reminder of what happens when idealism meets religion and politics" and "went through the ringer" over the Ground Zero Mosque initiative. Meanwhile, the pitiable victim is so marginalized that his event in Colorado was attended by Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq -- another influential figure who is clueless about the global jihad and Islamic supremacism.

True to form, Weigel doesn't tell his unthinking Leftist marks at Slate what Pamela Geller explains here:

It is clear that Rauf and other mosque leaders are not as moderate as they claim to be. Rauf has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood...The Muslim Brotherhood is dedicated, according to a captured internal document, to “eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within.” Rauf’s book What’s Right with Islam says on the copyright page that “this edition was made possible through a joint effort of the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT) and the office of Interfaith and Community Alliance of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). Funding for this project was provided by IIIT.” Both IIIT and ISNA are Muslim Brotherhood fronts, and ISNA was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas terror funding case.

Rauf refused to condemn Hamas until the public outcry became too great for him to ignore. He was a prominent member of the Perdana organization, which bankrolled the jihad flotilla sent against Israel last year, on which the "peaceful" passengers were chanting a genocidal and antisemitic Islamic jihad chant.

Also, Rauf has said that “the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.” He has claimed that “Western active involvement in shaping the internal affairs of Islamic societies have contributed to the creation of terrorism done in the name of Islam.” In other words, defending ourselves against jihad terrorism just creates jihad terrorism, so we should stop defending ourselves.

Rauf has carried his blame game even farther, claiming: “We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non Muslims.” He even said on 60 Minutes shortly after 9/11 that Osama bin Laden was “made in the USA."

The Arabic translation of Rauf’s book What's Right with Islam is disturbingly entitled A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Dawa in the Heart of Post-9/11 America. This indicates that he has planned for years to spread Islam and Sharia from the site of the 9/11 attacks -- belying his more recent claims that he intends the mosque to be a center for reconciliation and peace.

Geller adds: "In his book, Rauf supports and justifies Sharia law, and calls for restrictions on free speech in America. He has written another book that has gotten little notice: Islam: A Sacred Law—What Every Muslim Should Know About Sharia. In it he explains why God’s law is superior to manmade law, or that is, why Sharia is better than democracy."

Geller also notes that Rauf "snagged more than $2 million in public financing to renovate low-income apartments" that he owned in New Jersey, but never made the renovations. Where is that money?

He has also been completely dishonest about the mosque project itself. Now it is a community center nowhere near Ground Zero, but when it was initially announced Rauf was forthright, saying: “New York is the capital of the world, and this location close to 9/11 is iconic.” That statement has now been scrubbed from the online version of the New York Times article in which it initially appeared.

Rauf even threatened America over this project, saying that if the mosque were not built, “if we don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world....If we don’t handle this crisis correctly, it could become something very dangerous indeed.”

But to Dave Weigel, he is a poor victim. Pity poor Rauf! And pity even more the Slate readers who fall for this nonsense.

"Park51, Reconsidered," by David Weigel in Slate, June 28:

ASPEN, Col. -- I stopped by a luncheon here to listen to a guest who, since the last Ideas fest, got a brutal reminder of what happens when idealism meets religion and politics. He was Feisel Abdul Rauf, the man behind the Cordoba Initiative, who went through the ringer in 2010 when his hopes to build a Muslim community center near Ground Zero gave us the "Ground Zero mega-mosque" frenzy. (Rauf cheekily used that term to refer to the controversy.)

"Wherever I go in the Muslim world," he said, "it's the first question people want to ask me." In the Arab world, he said, people were dazzled by the story. "When President Obama gave speech on Ramadan, the banner headline in the Egyptian Gazette was" Obama supports GZ Mosque. The narrative, in some important ways, gave [America] a boost."

That word, "narrative," seemed to come up in Rauf's every other sentence. Many of America's problems with the Muslim world could be solved with a narrative shift. "if Christians were to regard Muslims as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," he said, quoting himself tongue-in-cheekly, "perhaps we'd get over some of this." And "we need films to show Muslims in a positive light. I've commissioned three scripts."...

Maybe he could commission a few Unitarians to blow themselves up in crowds of non-Unitarians; that would do a world of good to help the Christians that Rauf has in mind start equating Muslims with Unitarians.

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I don't recall learning about the Unitarian Conquests, or the Unitarian persecutions of Jews, Christians, and pagans, or the Unitarian ban on non-Unitarians entering their holy cities. I can't think of a single incident of Unitarian terrorism. Amazing that the Unitarians are so poorly known.

“the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.”

Shame that logic and semantics are not taught more thoroughly, else all people reading this would ask:
If America (US) is harming muslims, how do so-called American-muslims cope when their right halves harming their left halves?
Or,
is it true that muslims are really members of the umma nation and just pretend loyalty to America,
Or,
is Rauf lying?

It is on a par with islamic-American relations, where to create a relationship between 2 things, you must first define them as separate.

Unitarians believe in one God, whereas Muslims worship meteorites and goddesses in addition to the deified 'Perfect Man' and his moon-demon.

""If Christians were to regard Muslims as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," many of America's problems with Muslim world would be solved.""

Umm, no. How about the following, though:

"If Muslims acted as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," many of Islam's problems with rest of the world would be solved.

There. Fixed it.

Perfect. You knocked that one for six Eastview.

Always the same insane anti reasoning. It's not that 8,000 civilians a year are murdered for the sake of jihad that's the problem- It's the perception that 8,000 civilians are mudered each year for the sake of jihad that's the problem. If we'd only stop noticing those 8,000 civilians a year being murderd for the sake of jihad then muslims would be wonderfull people - who would still be murdering 8,000 civilians a year for the sake of jihad.

They want the effect to change but not the cause.

That would surely be an adequate definition of insanity.

. .as for Rauf, he can go swivel, no-one with half a brain would buy his drivel.

Which means submit to Islam.

"Meanwhile, the pitiable victim is so marginalized that his event in Colorado was attended by Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq -- another influential figure who is clueless about the global jihad and Islamic supremacism."

Paul Bremer was the American proconsul in Iraq immediately after the American victory. He directly supervised the dismantling of virtually every tool that Iraq had to maintain its coherence and defend its borders: he disbanded its army, its police, and the government bureaucracy. Iraq was totally susceptible to any armed gang, and the biggest armed gang around was Muqtadā al-Ṣadr, now the second most influential figure in Iraq and an open and obvious stooge of Iran, one of the most dangerous enemies of the US. Also, the present Iraqi government is extremely friendly to enforcement of Islamic law.

Now Bremer shows up at a luncheon honoring the Imam Rauf, who continues to claim that Sharia law isn't so bad after all.

It is an extremely generous interpretation of Bremer's actions to say that he is completely ignorant of Islamic objectives and completely innocent of any idea of how devastating the effects of completely dismantling the defense mechanisms of a country.

Bremer's presence at this type of event makes me wonder if it is only complete ignorance which produced the catastrophe of Iraq for the United States.

This is a weird statement. Comparing Muslims to Unitarians? One believes in an absolute doctrine, which many (or most) of its followers use as justification for every sort of behavior that normal human decency recoils from: lying, murder, mass bombing, vilification of the Other, etc. The other believes essentially in no doctrine.

Maybe it's not a perfect analogy, but it reminds me of a bit of dialogue from the 1962 Robert Aldrich-directed Grand Guignol horror/comedy "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?":

Blanche Hudson (a paraplegic, played by Joan Crawford, tormented by her alcoholic/psychotic sister): "You wouldn't treat me this way if I wasn't in this wheelchair."

"Baby" Jane Hudson (a slovenly drunk ex-child-star, played by Bette Davis, who resents and hates her sister but feels guilty for her predicament): "Butcha are, Blanche! Ya are!"

Islam, at least in most of the forms with which I am familiar, is in the wheelchair of totalitarian/doctrinaire thought of its own construction. Comparing itself to the inherently doctrinally amorphous Unitarianism is as much fantasy as Blanche Hudson getting up and walking away from her wheelchair.

".. .as for Rauf, he can go swivel, no-one with half a brain would buy his drivel."

"half a brain" -- that allows for tens of millions of American and European leftists, from BHO on down, to buy his line, as well as hundred of millions of Moslems.

"It is an extremely generous interpretation of [American proconsul in Iraq Paul] Bremer's actions to say that he is completely ignorant of Islamic objectives and completely innocent of any idea of how devastating the effects of completely dismantling the defense mechanisms of a country."

Extremely generous, indeed. Not to defend him in any way, but Bremer was in reality only the executor of the "tear to the ground, then rebuild from scratch with new materials" policy of the George ("But I thought they were all Muslims)" Bush's team (Feith, Perle, Rumsfeld, et al.). They had people of dubious character advising them, like the smiling, well groomed and Windsor-knotted Ahmed Chalibi, a Shi'a expat of thirty years from Iraq, who had both a religious axe to grind and visions of entering politics in a New Iraq. (They seemed to think it was not significant that Chalibi had an outstanding arrest warrant in Syria, of all places.) They didn't inspect the quality of the building materials they would have to work with or make provisions to use only reputable subcontractors (or even assess whether such even existed, in fact).

Worked out really well, didn't it? They would have done much better to simply take out Saddam Hussein's family and go from there.

"if Christians were to regard Muslims as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," he said, quoting himself tongue-in-cheekly, "perhaps we'd get over some of this."

Fraid not. The problem is how Muslims regard non-Muslims. Now if Muslims were to treat non-Muslims with the same respect they demand for themselves, maybe THEN we'd get somewhere.
If Muslims would stop seeing people of other religions as lesser beings, then progress might be made.
Christian respect for non-Muslims has gotten us nowhere.

As an active Unitarian Universalist I can assure you all that Islam and UU are about as far apart as it is possible to get. We are the most tolerant of religions. We have many different points of view in our congregations. While my home church is primarily Christian orientated we have a significant number of humanist and ateist. While the churchs that burned the "witches" at Salem are now Unitarian that has been awhile. We believe in the equality of the sexes and actually a slight majority of our ministers are women. We also believe in equality and full acceptance of gay and lesbians. A strong emphasis is placed on education and an objective scientific aproach to information.
Let's see, how is that different from Islam? Is there any point where it is not exactly the opposite?

Sorry. That was Christian respect for "Muslims".

Giana, do you UU's have any game-plan to deal with the predatory nature of Mohammedanism?

A master of islamic double talk. The less informed and less intelligent might almost believe him.

I accept that Muslims are Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy. It's a rebellion against orthodox Christianity, only it happened roughly a millennium before ours. Both deny that Jesus the Messiah is God incarnate, and both deny the necessity of his work of atonement for our sins and its centrality in the divine plan of redemption. However, the 18th century Unitarians never caught control of a large enough state beyond a number of New England townships, whereas the 8th century Unitarians grabbed all of Arabia and its reservoir of warrior manpower before spilling out over a lot of the rest of the world.

Further, if Imam Ruaf's coreligionists weren't so intent on raising unholy H@ll everywhere they become in the least bit numerous, I might good-naturedly hear him out. But until I hear him clearly condemning Islamic terrorism, the sexual predation carried out by males of his religion in parts of Britain and Scandinavia, and the like, I'll look on him as an enemy and his proposed GZM as an insult.

I am a Unitarian. I realize that you are engaging in satire, but I find any comparison between my faith and the death cult of Islam really odious.

I think the real reason they wanted to deny the divinity of Jesus and place their version of him amongst the other prophets was ONLY because they wanted to put Muhammad in his place in people's minds. They wanted to replace him in people's minds as the "partner" of God.

After all, most of the material in the books is about him rather than their god.

It's quite similar in the way the soviet union prohibited religion because they wanted the party (and Stalin) to take it's place.

I didn't know the Unitarian litgurgy started with "tick tick tick..."

"if Christians were to regard Muslims as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy," he said, quoting himself tongue-in-cheekly, "perhaps we'd get over some of this."
.......................................

Actually, many Christians *do* try—against all reason—to regard Muslims "as Unitarians with an Arabic liturgy". But the true vicious nature of Islam keeps seeping through.

Imam Rauf is here implying that the only problem is that Christians have a negative view of Islam. And from his point of view, this is true—were we to take his advice, we would not be solving any issues—we'd just be disarming ourselves against Islam even more thoroughly.

Which is, of course, exactly what the "good" Imam wants to see happen...

Rauf views the world through his navel.

I am a unitarian (not UU) and find Imam Rauf's comments most offensive.

James Freeman Clarke (1810-1888) was a Unitarian minister and abolitionist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Freeman_Clarke

He wrote a book called 'Ten Great Religions', comparing various world belief systems. Chapter eleven covers 'Mohammed and Islam'.

The book may be read here, for free, online, as digitised and made available by Project Gutenberg:

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14674

Read, mark, learn and inwardly digest.

Mr Clarke had done his homework on Islam. He had read the best scholarship then available to him - none of it very PC.

Here are a couple of samples of what he concluded from his studies.

From chapter 11, section 5, 'religious doctrines and practices among the Mohammedans', we read, for example:

"There is no recognition, in the Koran, of human brotherhood. It is a prime duty to hate infidels and make war on them. Mohammed made it a duty for Moslems to betray and kill their own brothers when they were infidels; and he was obeyed in more cases than one."

And:
"The two main divisions are into Sunnites and Shyites. The Persians are mostly Shyites, and refuse to receive the Sunnite traditions. They accept Ali, and denounce Omar. Terrible wars and cruelties have taken place between these sects. Only a few of the Sunnite doctors acknowledge the Shyites to be Moslems. They have a saying, "to destroy a Shyite is more acceptable than to kill seventy other infidels of whatever sort."'

More, on Islam and government:

"Two recent travellers, Mr. Palgrave and Mr. Vambéry, have described the present state of Mohammedanism in Central Arabia and Turkistan, or Central Asia.

"Barth has described it as existing among the negroes in North Africa.

"Count Gobineau has told us of Islam as it is in Persia at the present day.

"Mr. MacFarlane, in his book "Kismet, or the Doom of Turkey," has pointed out the gradual decay of that power, and the utter corruption of its administration.

"After reading such works as these,—and among them let us not forget Mr. Lane's "Modern Egyptians,"—the conclusion we must inevitably come to is, that the worst Christian government, be it that of the Pope or the Czar, is very much better than the best Mohammedan government.

'Everywhere we find arbitrary will taking the place of law.

“In most places the people have no protection for life or property, and know the government only through its tax-gatherers. 


“And all this is necessarily and logically derived from the fundamental principle of Mohammedan theology.

'God is pure will, not justice, not reason, not love.

'Christianity says, "God is love"; Mohammedanism says, "God is will." Christianity says, "Trust in God"; Mohammedanism says, "Submit to God."

'Hence the hardness, coldness, and cruelty of the system; hence its utter inability to establish any good government.

'According to Mr. MacFarlane, it would be a blessing to mankind to have the Turks driven out of Europe and Asia Minor, and to have Constantinople become the capital of Russia.

'The religion of Islam is an outward form, a hard shell of authority, hollow at heart. It constantly tends to the two antagonistic but related vices of luxury and cruelty.

'Under the profession of Islam, polytheism and idolatry have always prevailed in Arabia.
'In Turkistan, where slavery is an extremely cruel system, they make slaves of Moslems, in defiance of the Koran. One chief being appealed to by Vambery (who travelled as a Dervish), replied, "We buy and sell the Koran itself, which is the holiest thing of all; why not buy and sell Mussulmans, who are less holy?"'.

(Bear in mind that Mr Clarke was a fervent Abolitionist, and that he could therefore hardly have missed the slavery paradigm that suffuses Islam - dda).

Then, from section 6, there is this:

'Mr. Palgrave, who has given the latest and best account of the condition of Central and Southern Arabia, under the great Wahhabee revival, sums up all Mohammedan theology as teaching a Divine unity of pure will.

'God is the only force in the universe. Man is wholly passive and impotent.

**'He calls the system, "A pantheism of force."

'God has no rule but arbitrary will.** {my emphases - dda}

'He is a tremendous unsympathizing autocrat, but is yet jealous of his creatures, lest they should attribute to themselves something which belongs to him.

'He delights in making all creatures feel that they are his slaves.

'This, Mr. Palgrave asserts, is the main idea of Mohammedanism, and of the Koran, and this was what lay in the mind of Mohammed.

NOTA BENE - dda

"Of this," says he [that is, Palgrave], "we have many authentic samples: the Saheeh, the Commentaries of Beydāwee, the Mishkat-el-Mesabeeh, and fifty similar works, afford ample testimony on this point."...

And in section 7, Mr Clarke reaches these conclusions:

"The merits and demerits, the good and evil, of Mohammedanism are to be found in this, its central idea concerning God.

" It has taught submission, obedience, patience; but it has fostered a wilful individualism.

" It has made social life lower. Its governments are not governments.

" Its virtues are stoical.

" It makes life barren and empty. It encourages a savage pride and cruelty. It makes men tyrants or slaves, women puppets, religion the submission to an infinite despotism."


Modern Unitarians could have a lot of fun copying out some of this material.

It deserves to be more widely known.

James Freeman Clarke, Unitarian minister, had no illusions about Islam.

I doubt he would view the slimy Imam Rauf as a kindred spirit...not after the course of reading on Islam, its texts, tenets and fruits in daily life, that he (Clarke) had diligently undertaken.

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