Libya: Rape victims face honor killings

Rape is the only crime in which the victim is blamed, and represents misogyny at it's zenith.

"It is killing done with love"----"They believe they are saving the girl". This shows the huge difference from the Christian west. The one who is described as Love Himself (Jesus) was killed for her AND her dad AND the rapists also!

"It is killing done with love," says Ms Elgadi. "They believe they are saving the girl."

Well, thank you Ms Elgadi for clearing that up. It puts an entirely different perspective on the whole thing...and makes it ALMOST acceptable.

In most of the world, fathers express their love by protecting their daughters and going after the men who hurt them.

But this is Islam, and it is backwards from the rest of the world. Instead of you-touch-my-daughter-and-I'll-kill-you, in Islam we get you-touch-my-daughter-and-I'll-kill-HER.

Ah, the loving arms of an Islamic dad.

ATTENTION ISLAMIC WORLD: There is NO honor in killing! Just one more example of the evil that resides in Islam!

Already some time ago there were reports in Danish media that rape was widespread in the refugee camps along the Libyan boders.

Muslims ~ especially their "men" ~ make up the most barbaric of tribes ever on this planet.

In the situation in Libya, as in the other countries with revolutions in the "Arab Spring", one can only hope that both sides lose.

Why is the US carrying out the insane act of participating in this civil war?

Hey, Mr. Jamal (a fine Baptist name, if there ever was one), "We have also seen evidence that would seem to suggest that rape has been carried out by both sides, but we cannot say on what scale," he says....

Both sides????!! Both sides?! What in holy Hannah "side" is there other than Islam's? You are trying to parse Islamic supporters of the government and Islamic supporters of people other than the current government? Are you kidding me?

We have political differences. We even have had war here trying to solve them. But the only "side" of honor killings is Islam's "side." No moral system has that "side."

Only Islam kills its own to save them. Only Islam kills its own to save them. Only Islam kills its own to save them.

AnneMarie - and just think of the number of murders occurring daily as men waste their sperm by depositing it in the myriad of places where it was not meant to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

this is arab culture which spread along with islam, honor killing is not part of islam itself. It only succeeded in reaching areas like the kurds, caucasus, and pakistan.

just like western culture like western style music, which has little to do with christianity, spreads along with christianity when its proselytized

you are free to disagree with islam, but not when its not about islam

Cin, above, who seems to be our latest Mohammedan would-be troll, trots out the tired claim that 'honor' murders are merely 'cultural' and have nothing to do with Islam as such.

Oddly enough, however, these very distinctive kinds of murders are overwhelmingly carried out by **Muslims**, and Muslim countries are oddly reluctant to hand out any sort of real punishment to the murderers.

Two articles by Phyllis Chesler on the subject of 'honor' murders.

http://www.meforum.org/2067/are-honor-killings-simply-domestic-violence

Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?
by Phyllis Chesler
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2009, pp. 61-69

and

http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/764/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings

Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings
by Phyllis Chesler
Middle East Quarterly
Spring 2010

And then there are some pertinent observation, from ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish, whose teenage maid, back when she was a young girl growing up in Egypt, was murdered for 'honor' (after having been raped and impregnated by an employer).

Nonie writes "I have never heard a Muslim leader firmly and unequivocally preach against vigilante justice or condemn such things as throwing acid on girls who do not cover up, or teach that honor killing is un-Islamic and should be harshly punished. But I often see imams from the pulpits of mosques inspire men to believe *they* are the victims and show them what kind of stick they can use to beat their wives...

"Many Muslims insist that honor killing is a cultural thing and has nothing to do with Islamic Sharia."But how can we look at the ...law that exempts certain types of murder [such as killing someone for 'adultery' - dda] and say that honor killing of a wife for adultery is not Islamic?

"Why does the phenomenon of honor killing exist only in Muslim countries?
'We cannot divorce Islamic Sharia fro this tragedy so prevalent in Muslim society, because there are indirect laws that promote this phenomenon.

'Another such law is qesas law, which exempts a killer from punishment of death if the family of the victim pardons him. In honor killing cases when both the murdered and murdrer are within the same family, the family who had just lost a daughter or mother killed by a father or brother often does not want to lose more family members and opts to prdon the killer. Under qesas Sharia law, even the state cannot punish the killer by death if he is forgiven by his family, and that is known to men who often rely on that law for protection. **Since the introduction of qesas law in Pakistan, honor killing has greatly increased.** {my emphasis - dda}.

"Cases of honor killing in Egypt have always been ignored by the religious community and Sharia experts..

"Decades ago, when I lived in Egypt, we were all aware of the hush-hush topic of honor killing. The religious community were silent about it, and we always presumed that it was supported by religion, since no religious leaders ever condemned it" - pp. 69-70.

And from p 72 - 73

"They say Islam has nothing to do with honor killing, but I have never heard a Friday sermon prohibiting it and quoting scriptures that condemn it. Men who commit that crime are rarely punished, and even then the punishment is very light.

"Preachers may not say in their mosques that honor killing is against Islam, but they surely tell that to the West when an embarrassing story of honor killing occurs in France, Germany or London. Muslim sensitivity to shame before the West is behind the strong denial of any link of honor killing to Islam.

"Why do Muslim leaders who tell the press that honor killings are un-Islamic never cry from the pulpits of mosques saying, "No, not in the name of Islam?" Isn't religion supposed to fix bad cultural habits? Why cannot the all-powerful authoritarian Islamic Sharia end this supposedly evil cultural habit in Muslim society?

"Why is it that draconian Sharia, which controls every aspect of Muslims' life and more, has failed to notice that women and girls are being killed by their own male family members? Why is it that not one man has been stoned to death for killing his daughter to protect his honor, while women are stoned for having sex that is actually rape they are unable to prove?

"The bottom line is that leaders of the 'religion of peace' do not mind honor killing and have never harshly punished its perpetrators.

"Islamic Sharia becomes all the more powerful when yet another layer of fear is imposed on women, the main objects of victimization under Sharia. Relying on the justice system and the corrupt police cannot be totally effective in breaking the will of women and preventing them from rebelling. Thus, encouraging male family members to become the police, judge and jury over women becomes the solution to achieve total female submission..

"If honor killing was truly a crime unacceptable to Islam, Sharia Law could have certainly frightened men away from committing it. But honor killing falls into perfect harmony with the Muslim views of women and their sexual oppression. From the least to the most educated, from the least to the most religious, the reaction is the same: no-one makes a public stand, and no-one reports it, not even the religious leaders".

Ms Darwish grew up in Egypt. She did not leave dar al Islam until she was 30.

**She knows**.

oh harry potter fan-

Hindus do honor killing when intercaste marriage occurs.

hindu honor killings rising in India.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1991195,00.html

dumbledore

that physcology doesn't work on me. I'm not a stalin, mao, or manson fan, and even then, I could name even worse things their opponents did, just to irriate you (may stalin and mao go to hell)

Stalin- the Czar he fought against was an anti semite and murdered Jews- which was something shared by Stalin.

Mao- Chiang Kai-shek, the President of china and later Taiwan, whom Mao fought against, once tried to rape a thirteen year old girl when he was 32. Her name was Chen Jieru (Jennie Chen), later he married her at 15, and gave her gonorrhea after sleeping with prostitutes. He then dumped her later to marry Soong Mei-ling.

http://www.google.de/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=gonorrhea+chiang+kai-shek#sclient=psy&hl=de&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=Apparently+there+would+be+no+children+born+of+the+Chiang-Soong+alliance.+Soon+after+his+marriage+to+l5-year-old+Jennie+Chen%2C+he+had+infected+her+with+gonorrhea%2C+which+left+them+both+sterile.&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e46d6e042275ab09&biw=1007&bih=671

http://www.google.de/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=gonorrhea+chiang+kai-shek#sclient=psy&hl=de&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=And+soon+after+their+marriage%2C+he+infected+her+with+gonorrhea%2C+which+left+them+both+sterile&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=And+soon+after+their+marriage%2C+he+infected+her+with+gonorrhea%2C+which+left+them+both+sterile&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e46d6e042275ab09&biw=1007&bih=671

Something Mao and Chiang shared in common was this tendency for young virigin girls, with the exception that Mao was not stupid enought to sleep with prostitutes with STDs but Chiang was.

If you are getting information about Mao from Jung Chang and Halliday, read this article concerning more than a few errors in their book,

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/a-swans-little-book-of-ire/2005/10/07/1128563003642.html

Chang and Halliday wrote an earlier biography titled "Mme Sun Yat-sen: Soong Ching-ling", in which they heaped lavish praise upon the communists, and the details of this book also contradicts almost the entire later book on Mao.

a person writing a book praising Nazis, then later writing a book on the horrors of the Holocaust would make as little sense as Chang and Halliday's two books.