Ugliness and beauty in Germany

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This morning I had the great honor of meeting with Susanne Zeller-Hirzel, one of the last surviving members of the White Rose, the nonviolent resistance movement that worked against Hitler's regime in Nazi Germany in 1942 and 1943. We discussed numerous parallels between the Nazi era in Germany and the advance of Islamic supremacism today -- as we saw in Stuttgart Thursday, Nazis and Islamic supremacists are remarkably similar in their taste for violent intimidation.

Susanne Zeller-Hirzel is the beauty mentioned in the headline of this post. The ugliness comes from an increasingly dangerous situation here in Germany. I have learned that the fascist Antifa and/or Islamic supremacist thugs have burned the truck belonging to the company that set up the stage for Pax Europa's Thursday rally. Then last night they found out the hotel that the courageous anti-jihad politician René Stadtkewitz was planning to stay in when he came to Stuttgart to announce the founding of the local branch of his new Freedom Party; they broke the hotel's windows and painted threatening messages on its walls. Also yesterday, I spoke to a Pax Europa meeting at a location in Stuttgart; Antifa thugs found out the location after the meeting had ended, and stormed and surrounded the place. Thirty-six were arrested.

Fascism is indeed coming back to Europe. But not because of the anti-jihadists.

(Photo courtesy Henrik Raeder Clausen.)

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Oh wow, what a blessing to meet such a hero, Robert! People who lived and in some cases died by their consciences.

There was an article in the paper about a year ago about a Swedish "anti-fascist"(ie anti-freedom) demonstration. The accompanying picture showed a group of young people lined up with their banners, looking at the camera. One young, blonde girl's face struck me. "Look at that beautiful girl," I said to my daughter. My daughter, looking quickly at the picture, assumed such a pretty, sweet-looking girl must be on our side. "No," I said. "Look at her eyes.Look at her expression."

At the ADL demonstration the other week here in Melbourne, again I saw sweet-faced young girls demonstrating - against us. Those pretty faces shouted abuse and expletives at us. The majority of us were over fifty; no sweet-faced stunners in our group. I said to one "young lady", "Wouldn't your mother be ashamed of you?" She said, "My mother is very proud of me!" "Even for the language you are using?" I asked, and she said, "Yes, she is proud of me for that, too!" as she looked at me with distaste.

Is it the upbringing? Are these mindless kids the offspring of dopey hippies?

T

Well Fearless Leader, looks like you got an up close and personal look at the future of Europe. Judging by the atmosphere at your speech and the episodes described in this thread, the experience HAD to have been unsettling. To your great credit, you're there...on the front lines, fighting the battle for freedom.

Interesting how Europe today is beginning to mimic the Europe in the late 20s...but instead of resembling the Jews of that time as they play the victim card, the Muslims of today resemble the Nazis in their march to power.

Something that a lot of people are unaware of is that in the late 20s, the Nazis murdered several politicians and journalists in the rough and tumble of local Munich politics. Such was a precursor for the genocide that eventually defined the Nazi era. It doesn't take a vivid imagination to surmise that the same could be said about the killing of Theo Van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn in our own time.

How appropriate that a hero of ideological freedom today meets with a hero, not just of resistance, but of a resistance ideology from World War II.

Of course, Gandhi himself said that non-violent resistance would not work against the Nazis. Similarly, non-violent resistance would not likely be successful against an encompassing, self-assured, mind-numbing philosophy such as Islamism. The requirement that the oppressor have a degree of conscience and empathy is simply not there.

It is past time for an ideological filter for immigrants to the US. The excluding criteria can no longer be simply a membership in one of the many fascist, Islamic, or totalitarian groups which pop up with the speed of light. The criteria for immigrants must be a lifelong commitment to the American, republican (small 'r') form of government, committed to individual rights, freedom of speech, and absolute separation of government and any religious establishment. We don't need European fascists coming into the country, any more than we need more Muslims.

I am in awe and admiration of Robert for risking his neck to expose in no uncertain terms the advanced degeneration of freedom in Europe. It is easy to say that Muslim immigration is responsible, but the Muslim influx is a symptom of a society no longer able or willing to do what is necessary to defend itself or its identity.

David Horowitz, in his books analyzing the leftist stooges who were his associates when he was a Communist, attempted to describe the reasons why fascist ideologues close their minds to ideas. I don't know if the specific reasoning is correct, but it is more important to know that such people exist, and are by and large impervious to reason. This makes boundaries all the more important, as the melting pot is not going to work with future Muslim immigrants, or European fascists either.

And the absurd thing is, they invoke images of Hitler and nazism while pointing at us, the anti-totalitarians. It's so ludicrous, it would be hilarious if it weren't so insulting, if the situation weren't so alarming.

And ofcourse not a peep of these attacks on the people in Stuttgart in the mainstream media. God forbid people see who the actual fascists are, who are actually using violence and intimidation to stifle free speech.

Cornelius:

"omething that a lot of people are unaware of is that in the late 20s, the Nazis murdered several politicians and journalists in the rough and tumble of local Munich politics. Such was a precursor for the genocide that eventually defined the Nazi era."

Another aspect not widely known is that while the Nazis intimidated their opponents with violence the police were unable or unwilling to stop, the Nazis came to power through legitimate levers of power. The last free German election, in 1932, gave the Nazi party more delegates than any other party, and set the stage for Hitler's ascension to power.

The Islamists and fascists are clearly working to preempt the legal powers of the EU, the UN, and similar organizations, as the Muslim Brotherhood is coming to power in Egypt through the mechanisms of a constitution and popular elections.

I forgot to include this reference, which might be of interest:

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp

PJG - Unfortunately these girls are too young to understand the truth, and when they learn the truth it may be the hard way.

We have a system of funnelling young people through school and usually then onto university and they are really exposed to the same mindset and perspective the whole time.
Even if they read the newspapers and watch the news via the mainstream media, they are still exposed to this same mindset.

They are only going to learn the truth at the coalface, and only then will they start to heal their wounds by asking questions and searching for information. And trust me, I should know I used to be one of those young women.

It is a sad irony that the people protesting against facism are being opposed by anti-facism protesters. It goes to show the hang-up we still have from the Second World War.

I think one reason it is so hard to mobilise people to fight against antifa-types is that most people are, as is clear from this crowd, painfully decent and normal and law-abiding. This is all to the good, I hasten to add, except when it isn't. It isn't so good when so many people are normal and decent and assume that because they are, because everyone they know is normal and decent, that everyone must be normal and decent even if some are misguided and would be entirely different in manner and speech if only one could talk to them and set them straight about things they seem to have missed learning in life to date. But, let me put in my two cents worth here, having mingled for a long lifetime with such marginal people.

Antifa, and any other lot like, are more often than not what we would call mentally ill. I mean this literally. They fall into the pages of the DSM manuals (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) head first-- and they stay there. Look at them, see them "going crazy," and see that many of them get arrested. They don't do these things because they are so passionate about social justice: they are violent and dangerous AND they get arrested. Whatever they believe is not in the equation. Their violence doesn't bother them, and neither does being arrested for it. They are dissociated from objective reality to a point many are vividly psychotic. They are not normal and decent people. It's not a matter of them having odd opinions. They are attracted to jihadis as fellow violent lunatics, though the Leftists have no particular discipline to allow them even the cold comfort of Islam. The Left fascists are violent and they are insane. That comes first. Being Left is circumstance.

The good news is that the insane who show up for such hate fests as above are few. In a whole nation such as Germany there are only a matter of thousands who are genuinely insane. They can and do attract "week-enders" who show up for the fun and the action; they attract the thunderously stupid middle-class neurotic housewives having identity crises; they attract low-performance academics looking for a way to remain outre and thus beyond criticism. They are few, like jihadis are few; but one can give them great power by thinking of them as romantic and daring and "committed" young idealists. They are no such thing. They are mentally ill. One must discriminate. One must use some intelligence in distinguishing not-violent, not-delusional, not-raving from those who are all of those things and more, and one must accept that some people are insane and violent. Not everyone is a nice person if you get to know him. You see the evidence above. Not understanding the fringe Left is as dangerous or moreso than not understanding Islam.

The Left is a menace unto itself, but this crowd is something entirely different.

It took real balls to stand up to the Nazis. People like Susanne Zeller-Hirzel are one in a million.

However, the ironies expressed by Antifa and in the USA are rather interesting.

Antifa believes that people like Spencer who merely point out the inconsistencies and problems of Islam are fascists. But Spencer is not calling for Muslims to be sent to camps to be eliminated. He can hardly be considered a fascist in any sense of the word. Antifa, by using terror tactics to attempt to silence critics of Islam, proves that it consists of ignorant, dangerous hypocrites.

But some people on the right are almost as bad. When Obama was pushing his healthcare system, many signs appeared depicting him as Hitler. This behavior is as moronic as that of Antifa; like Spencer, Obama has not called for anyone to be sent to death camps. There was only one Hitler, yet ignorant people constantly attempt to paint people who disagree with them as Nazis. Sure, Obama is clueless regarding many things, but to compare him to Hitler is as stupid as what Antifa does.

And for those of you who claim that the media is intentionally ignoring this story because of bias, maybe, but all things considered, it is a relatively minor story compared to other things going on in the world. Do any of you read Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty? Did you see their story "Now Open Kitchens Are Un-Islamic, Too"? Hardly a pro-Islam story.

http://www.rferl.org/content/in_iran_open_kitchens_now_unislamic_too/24208055.html

Many of you only read Fox News and Spencer's blog, look at the mainstream media to see if those stories are duplicated, and then conclude that the mainstream media is biased and full of commies. If you read more sources, you would see that the media is indeed biased, but not remotely all in one direction.

God bless the White Rose...

Ronald,

Your point is a good one. The Muslims are using tactics spanning the spectrum from terrorism and thuggery to sophisticated political/legal strategies. Europe seems hopelessly confused on how to cope.

I have worked with left wing groups myself and have to strongly dissagree about their mental health. I am not disagreeing in order to defend them but to condemn them all the more.

There are 2 levels of understanding in all such groups. There are the members, they are the feet on the ground recruits, college students or people with concience and want to do good. They have the normal sense of what is decent and right but tend to think they know much more then they really do on the issues and have normal psychological motivations. Because they are young they can be very easily manipulated by agitators and propogandists who pump well crafted lies into them.

The feet on the ground were seduced by the phoney victimhood narrative that the islamic fascists crafted specifically for them to consume. A narrative the islamic fascists started on 9/12 in order to create the wholly artificial illusion that accusations against them was really racism towards all muslims. They claimed to be the potential victims of possible future oppression and the feet on the ground sucked it up without any actual evidence.

Within this group are also often found people of abnormal psychology though they tend to be what I call "mush headed" and very easy to manipulate rather then easily classifiable via the DSM. Proffesional dirty tricksters look out for these people and then seek to manipulate them into doing something extreme either for or to the detriment of the cause.

Linda Tripp's manipulations of Monica Lewinski is a casebook example of this. The reason Ms Tripp was relocated to a small office in the pentagon in the first place was that it was known she had done dirty tricks for Nixon in his elections.

The alcoholic art student who stabbed a muslim cab driver right before the anti mosque protest is a recent example of this. He was working for a strangely unamed group that was working for the mosque. It is obvious from my experience that someone working for the group saw that he was a bit off and manipulated him to stab the cab driver.

The young socialist types holding veague anti racism signs were another example. I looked at their faces and there was definatly something off about them. They slowly inched their way along the street till they got to the enterance of the anti mosque event where they were immediately and loudly confronted by people hired to pose as anti mosque protestors who yelled at them in front of cameras. The people who yelled at them were definatly in the pay of the anti mosque astroturfers but the guys holding the signs had been manipulated.

Then there are the leaders. Their motivations are usually about the aspirations of their political organization. They are concearned with the "arts of association and absorbtion" and with the increase of membership and power. No matter what they may say to the feet on ground, the actual issues are secondary to them.

The leaderships of these leftist groups joined with the islamic fascists because the issue is "sexy" and will get them press and membership. Also it would create a situation where left wing groups would create associations with each other and then absorb each other. Let me repeat, the leadership doesn't give a rodent's gluttial muscle about the possible oppression of anyone. Its an excuse to get publicity and engage in predatory politics amongst left wing groups.

Unfortunatly the Muslim Brotherhood specializes in this and will eat these left wing groups for breakfast, if it hasn't already.

No complaints from me about your take on things. My experience with Antifa types here in Canada and elsewhere is that many of them are severely personality disordered to the point they are pretty much incapable of functioning in the world as productive people at all, living on the margins of the market economy, often given jobs in organisations that receive private funding or government funding, not profit. I'm not referring to college students or suburban hangers-on out for a social occasion; I mean those who join such groups as Antifa, those who throw rocks and bottles and burn and smash. We aren't talking ideologues here. I mean those who live in packs and dream of smashing and killing. Look at the Italian idiot who was killed recently by Palestinians. A group like him, and that is what Spencer seems to have faced this time round, is a totally different beast from shouting college students. Singly they are stupid and brutish, but in a mob they are a dangerous thing.

My point here, such as it is, is to be aware that these are not normal and reasonable people. I urge us all not to be naive about some of these people. They are not "nice kids" with bad ideas. Some of them are killers.

. .the name Baader-Meinhof springs to mind. Nasty piece of work.

In context, it is worth pointing to the work by the Swedish video group White Roses, Three Things About Islam, who took their name from Susanne Zeller-Hirzel. Enjoy!

. .of course that should read: names Baader and Meinhof.

Thanks for pointing out that site Henrik.

I've got the audio version of Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning." Goldberg makes the case that fascism is NOT a thing of the far or extreme right, but the left. I remain unconvinced. Having been active in Republican party politics, I've seen folks on the right embrace things that fascists embrace, wherein it comes to race, the Jews, freedom of speech, xenophobia, etc. Now we have Ron and Rand Paul supporters. Both are anti-Israel / pro-Islam or at least Ron Paul is sympathetic to Hamas and Hezbollah jihadists. David Duke is a Republican as was Patrick Buchanan. Both are admirers of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. I remain unconvinced that fascism is a leftist movement.

To wildjew

The founding father of fascism, Benito Mussolini was a former member of Italian Social Democratic party and a Marxist theorist. His fascism advocated strong nation (weak individual), labor unions and big corporations controlled by the state.

Modern european social democratic order is almost like what BM designed.

B Mussolini said:

'Since fascism combines the power of the corporations with the power of the state, it could be described as corporatism'.

He also questioned the existence of the concept of race: ' Race, that is just a feeling.'

So BM's position on race put him at a distance from National Socialists. Nevertheless, calling fascism a leftist movement is both historically and ideologically accurate. On the other hand, as long as right wing ideas are understood promoting individual freedom and free market capitalism against activist state, fascism is the polar opposition of the right.

Ms Zeller-Hirzel meets one of the targets of the "anti-fascists"... so, through guilt by association - does this not mean that Ms Zeller-Hirzel is now a "fascist" herself??

This photo should be plastered all around Stuttgart university. Merely the reactions of antifa members should make for another Youtube classic.

I will not argue the point about Mussolini's fascism. I had one self-identified British fascist argue that Mussolini's fascism was the real thing, unlike Hitler's fascism. It is when Goldberg gets to Nazism and Hitler, I think his case weakens. Chapter two of his book: "Adolf Hitler: Man of the Left." Do you buy this argument? True, Nazism employed the moniker "National Socialism" (some would argue to have a populist appeal) and true, there were Nazis like Goebbels that had socialist leanings, but to argue that Hitler was a man of the left I think is a bit of a stretch. Don't you? Hitler was uncomfortable with the socialist-leaning planks in the party platform. He essentially ignored them as they caused him a good deal of later embarrassment. Hitler murdered Ernst Röhm and other leaders of the party's 'socialist' faction. You might successfully argue Patrick Buchanan adopted non-conservative(even leftist) political positions, like protective tariffs but would you argue a "paleo-conservative" like Buchanan is a man of the left?

You wrote: "On the other hand, as long as right wing ideas are understood promoting individual freedom and free market capitalism against activist state, fascism is the polar opposition of the right...."

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I think you should define your terms. I do not consider myself a "right-winger." I define myself as a conservative with some classic liberal tendencies. Conservatism is generally considered a "right leaning" political philosophy. "Wing," either left or right indicates the fringe (or extreme portion) of a political movement. I've seen fascist tendencies on both the left and the right. When we read "right-wing" in leftist publications, it is meant to be pejorative, is it not?

Notice the pattern. Governments around the world do NOTHING more than send out a few police to arrest and later release these revolutionary, disruptive enemies of the state. But, a MAJOR RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE from attacks on their freedom and to preserve domestic tranquility. There is a point at which a serious correction must take place, or a nation will lose its freedoms to totalitarian revolutionary bullies like these. So, what should they do? How about a round-up? Either you round them up, or they will round you up. How’s that for a basic concept of law and order? What do you think? Should the good guys beat them to the punch, or wait until the bad guys have cowed and bullied the masses into submission as the Nazis did and the Muzzies are doing?? How about governments doing what governments were designed to do, TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE AND TO PRESERVE LAW AND ORDER? Arrest and try the radicals for sedition and treason, then EXECUTE them on national TV at high noon EVERY DAY until the evil people are either dead or brought under control and obey the laws like everyone else? How’s that for a concept? How about they start the new law & order policy starting IMMEDIATELY? And the same thing here in America!

Stadtkewitz is setting up a local branch of his freedom party in Baden-Württemberg? Great news, it was about time. Remarkable, after the pretty much non-political nineties, people are returning to the "good" old habits.

I wish I could be there to support the ever brave Mr. Spencer and others; and was planning to go to the protest for Israel in Stuttgart today but found out it was cancelled! This is how Germany has become - everywhere, when it comes to Islam, we have to whisper in the public like this is Saudi Arabia; freedom of speech is oppress when it comes to criticizing Islam publicly! Women/girls are harassed by Muslim men on the streets and in shops and nothing could be done about them - I've called the police, women's groups and Christian orgs numerous times but none was taken seriously; such harrasment has been normalized. In fact, I was considered the trouble-maker by a bossy official in a Christian org, who even told me that it's not positive to have Bible studies there in case it might offend Muslim members (who uses such Christian org especially for immigration help)! And with the Islam-loving Leftie Green and SPD rising to power in the next Fed election, Germany is doomed under Arabic-Turkish led Islam!

Truthio - (Cc: sonofwalker)

No complaints from me either. Good analysis from both of you, and perfect examples to boot.
I have a reading tip that might be of interest to you. It concerns both the bigger picture and individual motivations that guide these activists. First, a quote:

"The phenomenon of a dream world, based on definite principles, requires some explanation. It could hardly be possible as a historical mass phenomenon unless it were rooted in a fundamental experiential drive. Gnosticism as a counter-existential dream world can perhaps be made intelligible as the extreme expression of an experience that is universally human, that is, of a horror of existence and a desire to escape from it."

So I tend to agree with both of you on the sickness/normalcy issue with these types, insofar as their zealous "doing-good" is ultimately linked to a common experiential drive and their sickness is seen as normal activism in a predominantly "gnostic" political society.

The work that I'm referring to is "The New Science of Politics", by Eric Voegelin (1952), especially the last three lectures in that volume (Gnosticism: the Nature of Modernity; Gnostic Revolution: The Puritan Case; The End of Modernity).

Here's another quote, that sounds as if Voegelin flashed forward to our day and age, to comment on the response of our political elites to the danger of Islam:

"Gnostic societies and their leaders will recognize dangers to their existence when they develop, but such dangers will not be met by appropriate actions in the world of reality. They will rather be met by magic operations in the dream world, such as disapproval (think Cameron, Merkel, Sarkoszy), moral condemnation, declarations of intention, resolutions, appeals to the opinion of mankind, branding of enemies as aggressors, outlawing of war, propaganda for world peace and world government, etc."

And concerning lunacy:

"The intellectual and moral corruption that expresses itself in the aggregate of such magic operations may pervade a society with the weird, ghostly atmosphere of a lunatic asylum, as we experience it in our time in the Western crisis."

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

How many people do you think (openly or not openly) are concerned about what's happening with Islam in Germany, Katharina? I have read statistics saying that this is over 50%, and I'd have thought it's even higher in the South...

And from what I've seen, it seems that most of the German opposition to the Islam-critics comes from Antifa, rather than the Muslims... if that's the case, then maybe it's time to focus on them - how they paint their opponents as fascists, while being the real fascists themselves?

The word Islam means "Submission" - and that's what the Muslims want. But while good people exist, and have their rights guaranteed by law, all is not lost.

As for the harassment of German women and the police lack of action - I recall Oriana Fallaci in one of her books explaining how she motivated the police into action against an ilegal camp of Somalis, by calling the police to say she;d burn the tents... maybe something similar would work here? If police were to get a phone call politely explaining that there is a mass of angry Germans gathering where German women are getting harassed - maybe they'd finally be mobilised into action?

Btw, from Susanne Hirzel's wikipedia entry, looks like she's actively-involved in „Bürgerbewegung Pax Europa“ - the very organisation that Antifa are against... in other words, they are attacking an organisation associated with one of Germany's last surviving anti-Nazis, because they think it's "fascist"...

Can Antifa get any more pathetic?

London Jim, I have some passing familiarity with the Red Army Fraction, aka Baader and Meinhof, et al. A popular work from the '70s, Hitler's Children, might be of interest. Back in those days, young though I was, I knew people who ran in those circles, and they made a deep impression on me. That would be revulsion, hatred, and sometimes even hysteria. In part because of this I am very much impressed by the general commenter here, typically normal and decent and honourable in the face of things that bring out my worst.

When I see Spencer confronting such people, I know what those people are capable of, and I am frustrated that I can't be there to stand guard, for whatever that would be worth. At the same time, I see Robert standing up to them as fearlessly as we have come to expect of him. I'm scared shitless, and I am proud to bursting as well.

Regarding Voegelin, I made a silly pun a day or so ago about Wandervogel, little birds, proto-Hitler Youth who eventually became grown-up Nazis. I was thinking of Voegelin as I wrote, and mixed it up a bit. If not for that, it would have been sort of funny.

There is some discussion about the Nazis being Left. I don't recall off-hand if Goldberg writes of the origins of Left and Right. It comes from the National Assembly during the French Revolution, the Left being the lawyers and radical middle, as it were. They were "opposition" to the bourgeois, for the most part. That's still how they see themselves. What they are, and what is mostly invisible to them and most others, is collectivist utopians. That is why Nazis are Leftists. Our struggle here is between collectivsists and individualists. Our Modernity is an outgrowth from the Middle Ages, a time of collectivist and even tribal social relations. Modernity is privacy. Islam's appeal to the Left is in its extreme collectivism and sadistic Philosopher Kingships.

Voegelin's Order and History, vol. iii, Plato and Aristotle, covers this period of thought in his inimitable fashion, and is well worth the effort. To make good sense of it, turning to Parmenides (v.ii.) is better. When one sees the decay of the Order and the intelligentsia's reaction to it, then the political religious reaction makes good sense, and Voegelin, in spite of his occasionally turgid academic and Germanic prose, is worth the effort. For me, as a dedicated reader at Jihad Watch for a long time now, I have a different understanding of Islam from reading Voegelin that I would have otherwise, seeing Islam as a poligion rather than a religion or a tribal code gone rancid. I see Islam and Leftism as two strains of collectivism struggling to destroy the Modernist Order in the idiot hope of returning to the golden Age of the "authentic." For me, it makes Leftists worse enemies that a billion savages in dar al Islam. Our own have the benefit of knowing what we have to lose. They do want to destroy it, and that alone makes them enemies we cannot afford to compromise with. They are, as Voegelin and Karl Schmitt point out, religious fanatics, and Gnostic on top of it, making them all the less able to confront the normal in human terms. We see this too clearly in Meinhof's suicide, not to mention the Left reaction. No compromise.

London Jim, we have to spend a night at the pub. On me, mate.

I forgot in the heat of writing to note that the Left arises from the seating arrangement in the National Assembly, the opposition sitting there, those more like myself in temperament sitting in the nose-bleed section, the Montanists, those at the top of the metaphorical political mountain, i.e. far removed from the mainstream below.

It's all scenic. I like the view.

London Jim, Sagunto, Son of Walker: I think you'd find Jacques Ellul's "The New Demons" to be of interest.

And you might also like his "The Meaning of the City".

Do NOT be put off by his calling himself a communist. He was sui generis. He was, I think, one of the great teaching saints of France; and a Righteous Gentile whose tree stands in the avenue at Yad Vashem. He recognised and befriended and mentored Bat Yeor, and defended her against some of those who virulently criticised her; and he wrote forewords to two of her books.

And if you haven't read G K Chesterton's "Heretics" and "The Everlasting Man" you might enjoy them.. along with his wildly fantastic novel, "The Ball and the Cross".

dumbledoresarmy -

Thank you for that tip on Jacques Ellul, I'll check it out. As for Chesterton, a writer I truly love, his "Essays", "Orthodoxy" and "The Flying Inn" are on my shelf, besides a very informative collection of his articles: "Chesterton on War and Peace", edited by Michael W. Perry. Highly recommended.

Take care,
Sag.

Green Infidel, I'm hoping that the new Freedom Party in Germany will bring new breath of air to submissive-to-Islam German politics and the wider has-been-polluted-by-Islam environment! I will now try to contact the Freedom Party to join it and file my complaints about the sexual harassment by Muslim men.

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