What else is new? Saudi fatwa committee bans mingling of men and women in the workplace

Just in case the wheels of progress ever start to turn in earnest, the fatwa committee is there waiting with a roadside bomb. Ironically, it is rulings like this which give rise to creepy, awkward situations like the one described in this story, where women in Saudi Arabia have to deal with male lingerie salesmen because there can be no female sales clerks.

The logic appears to go like this: If women go out without a male guardian... they will have sex.
If women drive... they will have sex.
If women study in a coeducational setting... they will have sex.
If women go to work to help provide for their families and men are around... they will have sex.
If women travel abroad... they will have sex.
If women are given any autonomy or additional rights, never mind all the other opportunities, they will use it to -- you guessed it -- have sex.

But somehow the male lingerie salesman gets a pass on this otherwise airtight assumption. Go figure. Or don't. Chances are it's already the case that "Allah hates you for asking too many questions." "Fatwa body bans mingling of sexes," by Muhammad al-Sulami for Arab News, June 7:

JEDDAH: The permanent committee for issuing religious edicts, chaired by Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh, has banned the mingling of men and women at offices and educational institutions.
“Women are not allowed to work with men. For example, they cannot work as secretaries for men or at receptions, production lines or accounting sections in a commercial center, pharmacy or restaurant where men are also present,” the ruling said.
The committee, which made this comment while answering a question from a Saudi, warned that the mingling of sexes would have a negative effect on the family and society.
“Women’s work and education should be done without mingling with men. They should work in women-only workplaces, as Islamic teachings ban the mingling of sexes,” the committee said, quoting a verse from the Holy Qur’an: When you ask them (wives of the Prophet) for any goods, ask them from behind a curtain. This is purer for your hearts and for theirs — verse 53, Chapter Al-Ahzab.

The insistence on women's-only facilities also ensures that under any possible condition of scarcity or inconvenience, women's accommodations will be the first thing to go in favor of the men. During the Taliban's rule of Afghanistan from 1996-2001, a lack of resources was one of their excuses for keeping girls out of school.

The committee said the verse applied to all Muslim women until the Day of Judgment.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) has said that it is better for women to pray at their homes than in mosques. However, in the same Hadith, the Prophet has urged Muslims not to prevent their women from praying at mosques. The committee urged all citizens and residents to fear God and follow His teachings in all their affairs and dealings.
The religious edict was signed by prominent clerics such as Sheikh Abdullah Al-Mutlaq, Sheikh Ahmed Mubaraki, Sheikh Saleh Al-Fowzan, Sheikh Abdul Kareem Al-Khodair, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Asheikh and Sheikh Abdullah bin Khonain.
Last year, the committee issued a similar edict banning women from working as cashiers at supermarkets.
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So woman travel, drive cars, have a job and study to better themselves, just to have sex...I wish someone would have told me about that earlier...I had no idea...

"where women in Saudi Arabia have to deal with male lingerie salesmen because there can be no female sales clerks."

In "Nine Parts of Desire," there is a story about a Saudi businessman who smuggles Israeli brassieres into the country against the Saudi boycott of the evil Zionist entity. He complains about having to smuggle them in, but says, "What else can I do? These are the brassieres Saudi women want." So watch out ladies; shopping for a brassiere in Saudi Arabia rebels against Islam not once, but twice!

Do muslims acknowledge pollination by bees?

Cupid is a Bee..

no muslim could ever understand that analogy..

Truly sad to see..

Christianity: Restraint is Normal

Islam: Rape is Normal

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any questions?

The logic of islam and moslems, also known as islamo-logic.
It boggles the mind, you can sit in a pub for hours with your mates and discuss it, it makes no sense but the the beer helps.

Many years ago I knew an Israeli soldier, he was with the Golani Brigade and had fought in the 1982 Lebanon operation.
He told me a story about the perverse islamic attitude to sex and to this day I will tell the tale in a pub anywhere.

It goes like this.
His unit was tasked with investigating some buildings in Beirut, there were reports of human activity in them. Maybe an enemy OP.

They approached the building in the night, sneaky beaky commando style......kicked the door open........what did they find?????

They found two arab men having sex!!!!!

Apparantly having 8-10 Israeli soldiers pointing rifles at you is a bit of a passion killer, so they put their hands up.

Upon questioning it was found out that one of the men was an Iman at a mosque. The Israeli's said to him, "This is disgusting how can you do this? you are a iman and it is against islam"

The imans reply??????

He said that he had found out the other guy was gay so he was teaching him a lesson!!!!!!!

At the time we were young and we laughed at the obvious, however as the years have gone by we have realised there is another aspect to this story we were to young to understand at the time.

IMAGINE HAVING TO SIT AT A TABLE AND NEGOTIATE SOME SORT OF A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE THIS KIND OF LOGIC AND THOUGHT PROCESS!!!!

Think about that, islamic culture is perverse and dysfunctional.

"He said that he had found out the other guy was gay so he was teaching him a lesson!!!!!!!"

Just thinking about that makes my head hurt.

There is no logic... it's all squirming and Taqqiyah to keep the male at the head of the table. I'm sorry. but I have lost what very little tolerance I had for this Death Cult, and in my heart I pray that it will soon be wiped off the face of this earth. It does not belong in normal society or discourse. It does NOT belong in the west.

you know let them do it there.f...em. just not here

And to think, we're dependent on these people for energy to operate an economy.

He was teaching him a lesson too, but this one was not an Imam, he was a "Prophet".
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/03/muhammad.html

"If women are given any autonomy or additional rights, never mind all the other opportunities, they will use it to -- you guessed it -- have sex."

Marisol,

I can tell you haven't worked in a business setting. Otherwise, you would recognize this behavior for what it really is...classic anal-retentive. The typical imam and Islamist is a control freak. He cannot allow those under him to have the slightest degree of autonomy or independent decision-making, cannot allow any aspect of life, regardless of how small, to proceed of its own accord. And, who is more under the Islamist's control than his women?

Another aspect of the anal-retentive personality is that he responds to negative feedback by asserting even tighter control, oblivious to the possibility that the control is what caused the problem in the first place. Thus, as the Saudi culture becomes ever more dysfunctional, personally and economically, you can expect the fatwas to become more intrusive and obtrusive. To the Islamist mind, the world decline in the price of oil, and the explosive tensions in the Arab world are the result of...too much freedom for the Muslim women.

Evidence of this can be seen in the classic Muslim prayer position, which emphasizes the anal-retentive aspect of Islamic theology.

The Islamic religion dictates the way to face while going to the bathroom, the way to wash, the direction to face while praying. Is it any wonder the Islamists constantly assert greater control over their women, who after all are the focus of their irresistible anal-retentive drives? Wear the hijab, wear the burkha, hide her face, avoid contact with all men, avoid driving, avoid walking, avoid working, avoid any sort of existence other than sitting in two houses all her life: her father's and her husband's. Such is the fate of Muslim women in a country whose government is actually and actively governed by Sharia.

Enjoyable sex is the very last thing you'll find in an Islamic society. There is sex, and plenty of it, for anyone with wealth...at least for the men: multiple wives, boy toys, temporary wives, sex slaves...the list is endless. But, it all has to be controlled by the immams, and by the explicit rules of Islam.

When Islam is critical of the West - the term "decadent" gets tossed around a lot. Of course, decadence in Islm is disbelief in Allah and his messenger, Mohammed. It obvious not a referrence to sexual morality.

Hey, I have worked with men all my life and I am in my 60's but never did I lust after even one of them. I was even in Arabia and in an elevator with a muslim security guard and I did not jump his bones nor him me, but I bet he was waiting, since he had been forwarned about western women.
Now why do only middleeastern people have this unbridled lust? Can't they control themselves without being shackled?
Too bad for them. Idiots.

These fatwa committees are filled with very important people. Especially Saudi Arabian fatwa committees cuz of all that oil.

*** 33:21 ***

Is this the same Arabian fatwa committee that gave the green light for al-Qaeda to go ahead and detonate a thermonuclear device in a major Western city?

*** 33:21 ***

His royal highness King Abdullah tacitly approves of this fatwa committee finding, just like he did with the thermonuclear device fatwa.

He knows and he knew. Unlike our hapless Prez Barack Hussein, who is such a total dumbass that he didn't even know about the Arabian Thermonuclear Fatwa Committee thing when he bowed so deeply and reverentially at King Abdullah's sandaled feet.

I wonder if this is going to be dangerous to anyone's safety. Case in point: let's say you're seriously injured, and they have to call an ambulance. If they freak out and delay the treatment while they try to guarantee an EMT of the same sex, you could die. Ugh. They are ensuring that their country will in some ways be stuck in the Dark Ages for some time to come.

Apostate Islam wrote:

what did they find?????

They found two arab men having sex!!!!!

...Upon questioning it was found out that one of the men was an Iman at a mosque. The Israeli's said to him, "This is disgusting how can you do this? you are a iman and it is against islam"

The imans reply??????

He said that he had found out the other guy was gay so he was teaching him a lesson!!!!!!!

At the time we were young and we laughed at the obvious
.............................

Actually, while this situation is clearly absurd, I'll bet it was even uglier than you might think.

Likely the Imam had coerced the other man to have sex with him lest he expose him for being gay—and than had degrading sex where the man served as the "bottom".

Since the sex was coerced and not consensual—and since it was done to degrade—the Imam could feel he had not gone against Islam in a way that would not have been possible had the relations been mutual or affectionate in any way.

This is why Islam condones rape—even same-sex rape—yet condemns consensual homosexuality.

Here is a hideous example:

"Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners"

"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133214

*This* is what passes for "piety" in Islam.

(The Israeli solider's) unit was tasked with investigating some buildings in Beirut, there were reports of human activity in them. Maybe an enemy OP.

They approached the building in the night, sneaky beaky commando style......kicked the door open........what did they find?????

They found two arab men having sex!!!!!

Yuck. Well here's a story for you, Apo:

I met a guy in college who was originally from a wealthy family in Islamabad. When the CIA put Zia al Huq in power, overnight he went from living a the big house with a pool and a clay court to a cramped apartment in London.

Long story short, after graduating LSE and then an M.S. in economics where I went to college in the American Midwest, he took up the drug trade, and after years of dealing went down on a hard on a major federal bust.

After years of appeals, he found himself in prison. He called me (I was living in NYC at the time) from prison to let me know his plight, and I started visiting him every month in the camera and microphone invested Visiting Room with a cardboard box, each time with fake stuff on top and Marlboro Lights and porn mags on the bottom. Helped enrich him, so to speak.

Anyway, one morning he wakes up in his cell and is called to the Warden's Office. There sat two dudes in suits, they looked like Feds. It turned out they were federal alright: they were CIA. They made him an offer he couldn't refuse: given his fluent Urdu, go back to his homeland a couple of times to run certain errands, and he'd be released and his record wiped clean.

Anyway, on his first trip back into Pak he was stunned to see the decay. After years hanging around a bucolic Big Ten campus, all of a sudden he was seeing cars and trucks driving the wrong way on crowded one way streets, child labor, street fights with bystanders making bets on the side... and this was all during the ride into town!

Anyway, his driver stopped for a light, and he looked to his right down an alleyway. What he saw was an 8 or 9 yr old boy taking it up the yin-yang from a middle aged man. Worse, there was a line of additional patrons waiting, openly fondling their penises watching the kid deliver his booty. What stunned my friend is that the pedestrians walking by didn't even bat an eye. Nothing too unusual.

That shook him up pretty bad. He didn't know which was worse, the fellow humping the young boy or the guys in the line waiting their turn, openly masturbating.

About 15 minutes later, at another stop light, he saw the same scene, but in a different part of Islamabad. His chauffeur, no doubt a local CIA flunky, got defensive when my friend asked how this could be happening.

Instead of arguing, and potentially drawing attention to himself, he did what he had to do in that hell-hole of a city and then was flown back to the States. He stayed in a safe house in the country in northern Virginia and was forced to make not one more but several more runs back into Pak and Iran (he is also fluent in Farsi).

Give the CIA credit, though: after several insertions into South Asia they finally cut him loose... and he didn't have to return to federal prison because, on paper at least, there was no record of him having ever committed any crime, but much a federal beef on being caught with over a 1,000 pounds of very high grade marijuana.

They let him go.

And no, he has never returned to Pakistan, his homeland.

In this "religion" of male dominance which sanctifies domestic violence, rape, and murder of women, women are made responsible for the sexual crimes committed against them. Men are excused from responsibility for their crimes against women, using rationalizations such as the woman was being seductive, even in the exposure of any skin or hair. Even when only their eyes appear in slits through the tents they are forced to wear it has been rationalized that a woman's eyes are too "seductive." In fact, Muslim men consider a woman who looks at a man directly in the eyes is trying to seduce them. That is why they get all (sexually) excited when they come to a Western country where women are used to looking men in the eye as equals. They call such confident women whores and consider them fair game for rape. So, that is how they can issue such ridiculous fatwas against women. A fatwa that says a woman should not work where there are men present are then "legally" (under Sharia law, which merely enforces Islamic principles) responsible if they are raped. And, under Sharia law, a woman cannot even testify in her own defense and would need four male witnesses that it was rape, otherwise she can be stoned to death for having sex.

What else is new? Saudi fatwa committee bans mingling of men and women in the workplace

This is DISCRIMINATION,APARTHEID !

Let's use all means we used in the past to end this practice now,including :
divesting of Saudi business interests,developing solar energy and alcohol as fuel as the Brazilians did ,to stop buying Saudi oil,demonstrating,protecting and giving refuge to muslim women,demanding the Saudis respect womens rights and stop honor killings,banning the evil teachings of the Koran in the Mosques that perpetuate Muslim women's slavery.

NO ISLAM=KNOW PEACE!
KNOW ISLAM=NO PEACE!

These primitive, barbaric morons, make "spanky-and-our-gang" seem grown up and mature.
It's hard to believe our government and "institutions of higher learning" want to take them seriously -- except as an egregious threat to decency and freedom.

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