Anders Breivik stole the counterjihad movement from freedom fighters -- we're stealing it back

" All the fear mongering discriminatory ideologies you're peddling to these morons finally came to fruition ".

You sound like the buffoon, Reza Aslan.

So, Spencer needs to be quiet now, because some nut job made a reference to his work.

Did it ever occur to you that Breivik is responsible for his own actions ?

No, of course not. Blame it on Spencer.

Why don't YOU go back to whatever rock you crawled out from, you disingenuous liar.

When did Robert Spencer ever say anything like?:

9.5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Robert Spencer is an honorable scholar standing for the freedoms of all peoples.

Pray for Muslims, they are caught in a cult that will kill them if they try to leave it.

Real Jew wrote:
"U indirectly created exactly what u claim to be exposing to the west. A psychopathic child murdering terrorist!"

Indirectly created? Isn't that quite like admitting no causation at all? Besides, your prophet was more of a child raper, than a child murderer.

Real Jew wrote:
"However I doubt the perpetrator who committed this heinous crime is far from the stereotypical "terrorist" who u so aggressively portray. He's a white guy!

White guy? What race is Islam again? Now, what was conspicuously missing from your assertion is the religious component, you know, how the Christian doctrine was involved in some of this lunatic's rationale, like it is usuallywith Muslim terorists.

Real Jew wrote:
"A "man" who has quoted or refered to your disgraceful propaganda 64 TIMES!"

Disgraceful propaganda? Do you mean the mountains of empirical data provided which displays the violence commited worldwide by Muslims, with frightening regularity, all the while using their religion as justification which is confirmed in video audio and written reports?n Or do you simply mean the provision of the disgusting propaganda of the Islamic texts themselves?

Either way, I fully agree...

How is that someone like Robert Spencer, who has been diligent, extraordinarily so, in arguing for non-violent solutions to a religious ideology in Islam, which produces huge numbers of believers who act violently or condone acting violently in the name of their religion, in any way guilty of what transpired in Norway a few days ago? You might as well argue that Martin Luther King was guilty of violence committed by others, even though he always preached non-violent methods to eradicate American racism, because some in the 1960s, like the Black Panthers, opted for violence as their way of solving racism in this country.

Your logic is hardly logic at all. You condemn with a broad brush to be sure. And oh, by the way, where do you stand on all the noxious doctrines in Islam which require, among other things, that a Muslim who leaves his religion for another faith is to be killed, that non-Muslims are considered the equivalent of human waste, that war is to be made upon the unbeliever until all the world is Islamic and that a woman's testimony under Sharia counts for only half that of a man's? While we're at it, there have been over 17,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11. By contrast, the numbers of terrorist attacks committed by all other groups and individuals this past decade are a tiny fraction of this figure. What say you about this too?

Educate yourself on the history of Islam and your beloved Mohammed, then you'll have the intellegence to analyze the difference Islam, a most evil and savage Arabic cult, is created by the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws!

So, defenders of freedom from such Islamic Nazism like Robert inspires such evil by the Norwegian murderer? What a joke - you definitely need a civilized education!

It's not rocket science, Luis. Muhammad not only told people that violence was okay to advance his cause, but he indulged in it himself. Spencer has neither condoned violence nor committed it. Of course, if you know differently, please correct me.

CORRECTION: Educate yourself on the history of Islam and your beloved Mohammed, then you'll have the intellegence to analyze the difference! Islam, a most evil and savage Arabic cult, is created by the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws!

So, defenders of freedom from such Islamic Nazism like Robert inspires such evil by the Norwegian murderer? What a joke - you definitely need a civilized education!

Luis Fernando Arean wrote:
"Sorry, but I still don't understand..."

Yes, that is painfully obvious.

Your prophet, supposedly uttered a revelation from his god to "slay the disbelievers wherever you find them". That intellectual inspiration, which in and of itself is a direct affront to the Muslim god who demands slavish submission to his will, and does not offer "intellectual inspiration".

Somehow, your Muslim mind can illogically equivocate the god/man who uttered "slay the disbelievers wherever you find them" with another man who merely reported about the former man's/god's utterance of the same.

Bizarre.

Can't quite say "me too" Andrea because I've been following JW , and others, for perhaps 3 years or more. Welcome to JW though. You’ll likely find it, and others , addictive and compelling if you ignore the American political comment.
I judged as I found and refused to be totally swayed by what I read. I rarely believe what I read. I prefer to apply critical thinking which was always my life and a key component of my profession.
Particularly I should add I wasn't always swayed by Robert Spencer continually reminding us of the Koran. In fact I found it annoying and distracting. I acknowledge that it could well be useful to newcomers but for me it approaches brain-washing now.
(oops no doubt the redoubtable Marisol will ban me yet again for daring to criticise!!! FoS Marisol? Oops it was because of that particular criticism that I was banned before. ). In truth I now “speed read” and skip those repetitions. I urge others to do the same. I already learned my times tables. Don’t need to re-learn.
I have known Muslims who seemed perfectly normal people. I have the utmost respect for Robert I should add but my intellect and nature will not allow me to never disagree. I prefer to weigh the evidence and decide accordingly. Professionally and personally.
Whatever. Perhaps because of PC I was reluctant to tell many what I thought. I DID though sometimes pass on particular articles and did suggest to some that they may like to look at JW and decide for themselves. I did this very very carefully.
Now then. I am far from a shrinking violet. I am a Derbyshire man and I say exactly what I think. Some have called me abrasive, arrogant, and confident. I admit to all of that and also admit that sometimes I should have kept my mouth closed since it has, from time to time, caused me problems.
The reason for my “carefulness” in this case was that I did not wish to upset true friends, or relatives. Sadly PC had had its effect on even me. As you will know politics and religion should never be discussed in polite circles such as the village pub or family events.
To my utmost surprise I started to receive vibes from friends and relatives, all highly educated, that they shared the same worries as myself re Islam. Perhaps you should pass on your views – carefully. All is not lost.
I am appalled that this nutter in Norway has killed so many westerners (mainly) to support his anti multiculturalism , anti-Islam , agenda and quote this site as one of his mentors. Seems to lack logic.
Don’t know about others but I hardly ever harbour murderous views about Muslims – apart from Islamic murderers. I believe in an eye for an eye – just as the Islamists do. Does that make me a bad person? Certainly not a Christian view. We Christians just lay down and die rather than react. Great for the Islamists but not for me.
I would also have to admit that I would much prefer it if Muslims were a very much smaller part of UK society and that we stopped importing whole benefit claiming villages, even towns, from Pakistan and Bangladesh in particular. On this one point only I find some union with the very far left BNP. I reject pretty well everything else that they stand for.
So Andrea I suggest that you, carefully, pass on the message.

Don't worry katharina. Sweden has rather less chance of doing that than even the now depleted UK forces. Read recently that the UK now has less soldiers than little Switzerland. Perhaps even less of a navy (Switzerland is landlocked). I'd guess that even if Sweden votes for this they can't actually DO anything. Perhaps ban export of SAAB cars - if SAAB still actually existed.

Reza Azlan belongs in Iran, and if the US had balls, he'd be repatriated into the welcoming arms of the ayatollahs.

Until Robert Spencer publishes a written manual giving directions to who when and how to terrorize, the comparison is at best, offensively poor.

Bweick114, it's the Norwegian Left Socialists who want to bomb Israel - nasty alright! These Socialist don't mind killing Jewish children in defending murderous Jew-hating Islamic Nazi Hamas!

hi there!!
Muhammad is directly responsible for this. the came here and blew us up as they are doing every day around the word. muhamad introduced a political idealogy and his folloerwers act on it.
Robert and JW are nither poltical or are introducing and Idealogy. they are merly informing people about a religon that is supremecist and wants to take over. let me expalin it to you this way:
you buy a pack of cigarrets. on the lable it warns you if you smoke these you will die. it is merly informing you based on sceitific facts. on that leble it also tell you that of you stop smoking now you will not die of lung cancer.
JW is exactly doing the same thing. it is telling people all about this religion and it is warning people to deal with it now. this site is saying if you deal with this now 20 yeras down the road you will not be forced to practce sharia laws. to that end it is also warning you if you ignore this 20 years from now there is no other way back. it is like if you get lung cancer there is no way back. does this make any sense? no where on this site they or Robert have evr encouraged anyone to go and pick up a gun and murder innocent people. the Koran does say so BTW.
also note that there are many muslims whho blog here and my self included.
Greetings from NYC!

You wandering islam troll,

1 Anders quoted and plagerized wholesale from Ted Kuzinski's manifesto.

2 There exist hundreds/thousand of blogs and sites of supremacist, right wing and other types of waste, from which he gained ideas. That doesn't include islam related and core islam hate sites, which he surely saw, and which are exceedingly abundunt. And what happened to him in childhood, and in his apparent college years, that may have made his thinking fertile ground for improper logic and conclusions?

3 Virtually every madrassa in the world teaches race and religious hatred, islamic schools, such as the recent expose in Indonesia/Malasia, most mosks in USA, teach or at least provide, hate inducing materials, some actually teach how to bomb and/or manufacture bombs or armament, and encourage terroristic attacks as the highest achievements in islam!

Madrassas produce with premeditation, uncounted thousands of hate filled youth, filled with little knowledge or understanding of the world, and stunning barbaric prejudice designed to lead them to terror, at the command of their "real islam"

Islam commands terror. Lone wolves just happen, because according to a realistic estimate, around 1-3 percent of the population, comes unhinged/unglued in a very serious way, that we can't identify in time, or even sometimes do something about it, which sometimes leads to terrible tragedies, such as Norway.

Our goals at JW, I believe, are exposure of the organized (by the queran and other manuals)global jihad in its many forms, on every nation and continent on earth, the education of the masses of public, accurately (according to the most respected islamic sources) to the danger and barbarism facing the world from islam's very beginning, again, and endeavoring, that armed with proper knowledge and motivation, we can bring about increasing overwhelming resistance to any advance of encroaching conquering islam, (which in my personal, and many others belief is no religion whatsoever), but a political military war ideology, of pagan barbaric behavior and dedication.

And last, at least many of us hope that deep knowledge of the nefarious ideology cult and deep resistance to it, can ulitmately lead to turning it in on itself, so it self destructs, or that we can educate, them to self destruct through intelligent apostacy to islam, that is, abject abandonment of islam!

We all would prefer success through this path, but many realize, we may be forced to take nationally orqanized military path of national defense, if we are attacked, en-masse, by islam, as has occured so many times, places and manners throughout islam's history.

Who do you think your sick islam style talk is decieving? Go find some sucker leftards, who are gullible for taqiyya/kitman, until we can reach them and let them know the barbaric truth, (hate, rage, death and vengeance) of what is really in the quran, and other manuals.

I take it you're a Spaniard. And the Spaniards spent almost 770 years taking back their country from the Muslim hordes, from 722 AD to 1492. Now that is rather a long time. Had the Reconquista not taken place or had failed, your country would today be like Iran as far as your rights are concerned. Your women would be forced into hideous burkas, and beaten up by Muttawa religious and morality police if they refused or had too much flesh showing. And too much flesh is more than 10 centimetres - just under the length of a hand, or just above the ankle. There'd be no bars in your country. Imagine Spain without a wine industry - that would be a fact. Sharia would be the law of the land. The Reconquista not only rid Spain of Islamic domination, it also went a long way towards preventing the rest of Europe falling to the Caliphate and helped to save Western civilization, and without Western civilization there would be no cars, planes, trains, computers, or the vast variety of medicines and antibiotics which save millions of lives a year. Nor would we produce anywhere the amount of foodstuffs we do today, so there would be famine. And all because of the crippling of science that would have taken place. We would simply be 500 or 1,000 years behind where we are today. A mere 10 years after Covadonga and 100 years after Mohammed's death, Charles Martel defeated Muslim armies at Tours - a mere 300 kilometres as the crow flies from the South Coast of England. Without that victory, France and the whole of the British Isles would have been under Islamic rule by 750 or 800 AD at the latest. You owe your freedoms you have today to the Reconquista. And we know that Osama bin Laden was irked by Los Reyes Catholicos almost 520 years ago, and wanted to get at Spain for that, for nothing is ever time-served in the mind of the Islamists. And the Reconquista wasn't the end of it, because invading Muslim armies were driven back from Vienna - twice, and both times against the odds - in 1529 and 1683. And they were turned back from the island of Malta in 1565, again against the odds, otherwise Italy would have been invaded and Rome might well have fallen to the Ottomans. That would have spelt the end of Western civilization and culture to have had Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, London, Vienna and Rome in Islamic hands - meaning no Mozart, Strauss, Verdi etc. It was bad enough with Constantinople falling. And it could so easily have happened. And I'll ask you a question. Would you rather have Spain 95% Christian or 95% Muslim - especially if you're a Christian? It should be a no-brainer.

"You wandering Islam troll" - To "Real Jew"

Exactly.

I called him out over the weekend.

After a bit of poking the mohammadan bravado, machismo and personal insults came out in true islamic fashion. His mask slipped so far it smacked the floor.

I lived among these savages. I can smell them a mile away. They can't hide their nature from me.

What I really want to know is what the hell is the psychology of mohammadans using kaffir monikers?

Do they really think that we'll buy their bullshi'ite if we think it's coming from a fellow kaffir?

I take some precautions, but in a masochistic way I'm like Ann Barnhardt who brilliantly defended the burning of mein kuranmpf and burned one herself AND gave the jihadis her address.

Like her, I'm packing. With a small arsenal.

I won't go to the jihadis, but if they come to me I will guarantee they won't be getting their houris as I've recently been turned on to Silver Bullet gun oil.

If I'm not willing to risk my life for my country and lifestyle than it's not worth living.

"Congratulations Robbie. All the fear mongering discriminatory ideologies you're peddling to these morons have finally came to fruition. U indirectly created exactly what u claim to be exposing to the west. A psychopathic child murdering terrorist!"

So according to you Mr. Spencer has created ONE murderous psychopath.

mohammad and his islam created MILLIONS of murderous psychopaths.

Spencer-1

mohammad-1 million and counting.

mohammad wins!

"Tell me Spence, what separates you from an Imam that speaks nothing but hate and dresses it up in the phrases of Freedom?"

What hate?

Can you show me an article Mr. Spencer has written that *ENCOURAGES* people to blow up mosques, rape muslim women, charge muslims with blaspheme, make war with muslim nations so we can take sex slaves, to immigrate en masse to muslim nations and demand special treatment and to riot, burn, rape and kill if we don't get it?

Please show one example of him endorsing/encouraging/commanding any of that.

You ask "What separates Spencer from any Imam you please."

Actually, they both quote chapter and verse from the Qur'an and other canonical Islamic texts, the difference being that the Imam's quote it to their Moslem flocks and Mr. Spencer's audience is to non-Moslems. In the case of the Imam, it's called "preaching" or perhaps "exhoration." In the case of Mr. Spencer, it is better called "informing" as he has never to my knowledge encourage such violence.

Surely that's not so difficult to understand, hmmm?

mohammad was the first muslim murder and many have followed and are still following in the footsteps of the "ideal man."

You're right. I should have said BILLIONS, not millions.

Thanks for correcting my mistake.

ok. see what is great about this country? here you are calling Robert an asshole and a moron! on a site that he has created! so is it safe to say that because you pissed Robert off he can come and shoot you? while I was told to watch my language, but you are DB....G.
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"The only way to solve the Muslim problem is to eliminate the religion and therefore the Islamic people, nay"

No, that's not what he says.

He's all for REFORMING pisslam.

For that, I think he's naive but he's never said anything about eliminating pisslam or kuranimals.

You are beyond silly. You are an obfuscating, wiki quoting, mohammadan conspiracy theorist.

While you're busy looking up "Knights Templar" online, be sure to look up Hugues de Payens.

The mandate of the Knights Templar was clear: as a security forcefor Christian Pilgrims. The allegations brought against them that you so gleefully parrot here, leading to the dissolution of their order, are still a matter of academic controversy with the balance of opinion in favor of their innocence.

Breivik is as much a Templar as you are, that much is clear.

"Word to the not so wise, quoting/referencing parts of the Quran pertaining to violence does little to justify the violence commited by its opponents."

Oh, but it does. pisslam's founder and his vile tome participated in and encouraged such acts.

mohammad, the "ideal man" touted as a "beautiful pattern of conduct" in mein kuranmpf was a violent, sexist, racist example of extermism.

mohammad and mein kuranmpf do not justify it, they set the example for it.

""Do you have any proof of that? Do you know for a fact that Jesus was his "lord and saviour?"

Yes he disclosed this himself to the Police."

Care to share a source that explains which church he belonged to? Who was his pastor/priest/reverend? Have they interviewed his pastor and fellow parishioners to find out what was being preached in his church?

Do the police quote him as saying Jesus was his lord and saviour?

My plan is to vote for mohammadan unfriendly politicians and to mock and belittle islam, with its own truths, as often and wherever I can.

Mein KURAN(mpf).

I am equating the racism in mein kampf with the racism in kuran.

No, real MOHAMMADAN is playing the if they can do it we can too game. Moral relativism it learned from leftards.

"Math is a bitch, eh?"

No, but ignorance and cultural/moral relativism are.

Not all nazis were stuffing Jews into ovens, but all nazis were racists.

Not all white supremacists are lynching "coloureds" but all of them are racists.

mein kuranmpf is a racist, misogynistic manuel so logic dictates that those who read it, love it, profess it to be the instruction manual for their life are either ignorants incapable of reading comprehension or racist misogynists.

You ask if I am "denying the historical facts of the Knights Templar."

Not at all. I am calling into question what you call "historical facts." I am calling into question your telescoping of their 300+ year history in which they legitimately protected Christian against Moslem marauders, all to advance your own agenda against those who would legitimately defend Western values today. I am calling into question your silence on the founding of their order (perhaps due to an igorance that you wish to hide?), their motivations and above all their relative RESTRAINT in pursuit of their mandate in an era known for excess.

Breivik is no Templar, no matter what his pretensions. Clear?

" I told you about a year ago that your site was going to create monsters like this, but you ignored me ".

Yeah, it's Spencers fault. Sure it is.

By your logic, libraries should close down.

Books should be banned, or burned. And no more internet, either - too dangerous.

Because there are nut jobs, in the world.

This is about smearing and libeling Spencer.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

By "called him out" I'll presume u meant after u displayed yourself a self righteous hateful bigot with complete lack of intelligence, logic, and decency I decided you didnt deserve anymore of my time clown! The only thing you're good at is talking s***. A tough guy internet gangster Haha!

Your whole M.O can summarized by this statement:
"I lived among these savages. I can smell them a mile away. They can't hide their nature from me. ". A natural born Muslim hunter. Pathetic. Examine your life

And we are long familiar with leftists like yourself by now. In your mind, the only thing Breivik did wrong was in not carrying out this atrocity in Israel instead of Norway.

"not a religious organization but rather a Christian 'culturalist' military order." With reformation, not religious at all though."

So he had is OWN ideology yet here you are still calling him a Christian.

This is most definitely not a conspiracy site and it's ridiculous of you to assert such. The vast majority of regular posters here are profoundly disturbed by many Islamic doctrines, such as the requirement of war being made upon the unbeliever until all the world is Islamic, the requirement under Sharia, which not a single major school of Islamic theology to this day has repudiated, that a Muslim who converts to another religion should be killed, the intention of millions upon millions of Muslims to replace all constitutional and legal systems across the world with Sharia (including the American Constitution), the lack of a true Golden Rule for all in the Islamic faith and the fact that Muslim women and all non-Muslims are clearly inferior to Muslim men pursuant to the Koran, Hadiths, Sira and Islamic religious law. Oh yeah, there's also that stubborn fact that since 9/11 over 17,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred. Or is noting this ipso facto evidence in your second-rate mind that this is yet another example of conspiracy lunacy?

You might as well call a site which is against another totalitarian ideology (and yes, Islam is the one major religion which is totalitarian in structure and ideology, as Bertrand Russell almost a century ago noted in his Practice and Theory of Bolshevism (1920) and in several subsequent works of his), say Marxism or Nazism, a conspiracy site because it opposes those respective belief systems. I'm not certain if your thinking processes are more silly or moronic. Hmmm. Think I'll opt for both.

And you attacked Istanbul_Chick for simply repeating the challenge Robert Spencer has repeatedly put out to Muslims to reform their religion. Your references to English history hardly should function as an instruction to Spencer to cease challenging Muslims in this very different world we live in from the sixteenth century to clean up the many pathologies in their religion. Doesn't it make sense to give Muslims the opportunity to succeed or fail here? What's the down side?

Perhaps if you post again you can do so in a manner that reveals greater cognitive ability than you have demonstrated so far. Go ahead, give it a shot, but my money would be bettin' against you, not for you, because up till now you have revealed yourself as nothing more than a dim-witted smear artist.

And you're a model of stupidity. We'd get more intelligence out of a spent light bulb than a Christian- and- Jew-hating Islamic parasite like yourself, and you'd be handing out sweets had Breivik's atrocity been carried out in Israel instead.

"The Norway shooter was a White European Christian. Who hated Muslims.

He was sort of like one of you tbh."

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

I am not white European Christian nor am I an ultra-right.

Sure it is.

It fits the criteria of conspiracy theory.

1. A belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event

2. A secret plot committed by powerful groups that you don't like. (The secret plot of Muslims trying to invade and control Europe. Only you know about it, it's secret to the dumb leftists.)

If you cannot see that this is a conspiracy theory site. Jeez, I feel bad for you bro.

"A tough guy internet gangster Haha!"

The only one talking like a "tough guy" is you, mohammadan.

Stop projecting. Deal with the fact that you're a misogynistic, racist muslim as per mein kuranmpf dictates.

I like how you didn't say that you don't hate Muslims. You know the biggest plank the Norway Terrorist had in his Manifesto.

Nice reference there, traeh

""My plan is to vote for mohammadan unfriendly politicians and to mock and belittle islam, with its own truths, as often and wherever I can."

That's a pretty sad, ineffective plan."

It sure beats suicide bombings, immigrating to mohammadan countries and crying victimhood, forming gangs of rapists to rape the native men, intimidate the locals with my daily prostrations to Cthulu and accusing the mohammadans of blaspheme and arresting and/or executing them.

It sure beats suicide bombings, immigrating to mohammadan countries and crying victimhood, forming gangs of rapists to rape the native men, intimidate the locals with my daily prostrations to Cthulu and accusing the mohammadans of blaspheme and arresting and/or executing them.

Sure does, but it's still ineffective.

So, alas you are not smarter than Elizabeth I.

Oh well, no one can fault you on that.

I just re-read your comment...

"forming gangs of rapists to rape the native men"

Well if you do decide to invade a nation with your army of raping women, I'm sure most men will immigrate to where-ever that is.

lol

I'm sorry but the day the Muslim women come here to rape the native men, the native men ... are going to be pretty happy.

ROFL.

That being said I understand the actual meaning of what you said but an army full of sassy women looking for 'native men' to have their way with seems like the best war ever.

lol

"I like how you didn't say that you don't hate Muslims. You know the biggest plank the Norway Terrorist had in his Manifesto."

I hate white supremacists. I hate pedophiles. I hate Mormons. I hate soccer moms. I hate socialists. I hate guys who wear gold chains and quote from the Godfather. I hate women who make whores of themselves for the Girls gone wild videos. I hate women who don't care for their children. I hate people who don't clean up after their dogs. I hate my sister in law and her family. I hate the clowns who go on riots after sports matches.

I hate a lot of people. Yet I've never felt the urge to murder them. Smack some of them, yes. But kill them, no.

What's your point?

You hate the sweet ladies that make possible Girls Gone Wild?

Blasphemy!

oh Puhleeeeze!!!!!!!! you ar just shooting blanks!!!!!

"I'm sorry but the day the Muslim women come here to rape the native men, the native men ... are going to be pretty happy."

You missed the deeper meaning. Even if muslimahs had it in their twisted minds to follow in the footsteps of their "men" they'd be dead, at the hands of their men, before they even got their skirts knee-high.

But there are a billion Muslims, how were they conceived? Do they have a magic we know nothing about?

That's how you could destroy your enemy. Preach a doctrine of female Muslim invasion, based on 'rape of the native men.'

We will be grateful to your forever and ever and hope that women of all nations 'fight for freedom' in a like manner.

:)

BEST WAR EVAR!

The Nordic Nutcase is not a Christian. Jesus never harmed anyone, and His teachings are non-violent.

Unlike the Arabian pagan moon god's commands to "Kill the Infidels," eh, Muslim "Real Jew."

Sure he did he used violence against the Money Changers.

Back with your pathetic lies leftie - you ran away before, couldn't stand the truths about Hitler being a Socialist and how antisemitism rooted out of Islam and brought it to Europe! Here, another civilized education for you - A Norwegian expert from Norwegian Institute of International Affairs - brave enough to challenge ruling Islam-loving Left-Socialist Govt of Norway, to take responsibility for being UNDEMOCRATIC when not listening to many ordinary frustrated Norwegians by bowing to Islam and allowing massive non-integrated Islamic migration (for the votes - of course; that's how they stay in power)!

At - http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2011/07/norway-it-was-attack-against-labour.html

Sunday, July 24, 2011
Norway: "It was an attack against the Labour Party"

See short video.

Well then, mr genius, what's your plan?

" BEST WAR EVAR ".

Maybe not.

You never know what you're going to get under that burka.

One fellow filed for divorce immediately, when he found out that he had married the bearded lady.

Blankety-Blank, are you back? You hate-filled Muslim creep. Go crawl back under the sewage you came from. In addition, try and get a GED - you're stupid and ignorant. No wonder. Look at you. Pathetic. No wonder you call yourself a "blank." That's just what you are.

You idiot, what conspiracy? No one here has ever said anything like that, nor has any other accurate ant-jihad site, referred to a conspiracy theory.

There is no theory here, just plain obvious islam facts, like OBL declaring war on the West, and so many other islam terrorists committing war on the west, one way or another.

Islam codifies in all its writings and manuals, pure terror, hate, and death, and to conquer all who are not on bended knee to stupid imaginary idol alla and mo, and their puny little broken rock in the kaaba. Their behavior is purely that of a criminal psycho mind in civil Free society.

Islam is directly, by command and authorization, and exhortation, and example of mo, responsible for countless barbaric terror attacks, by mo, around the world, evidenced, ad nauseum. No conspiracy, no theory, just far to real constant attack, by the most pious members of islam around the globe, increasingly.

Just where in your hellish vision of reality is the conspriracy in that public knowledge, not to mention the constant probes and attempts, by islamics, that do not reach the press, but in America, go on in most states weekly.

And what's this about the bible/Torah never commanding to kill infidels, it's full of the stuff.

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God...

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people."

Kill thy friends, your wife, your hamster Killeth them! Says the fearful God of the Torah.

"Sure he did he used violence against the Money Changers."

Kicking over their stands and and whiping them is a far cry from jailing them, beheading them, hanging them, blowing them up...

moral relativism is evil.

Hey, since all cultures and morals are equal, by your logic it's okay for me to terrorize with words or bombs!

Thanks for encouraging me to do violence!

Now I will have no apprehension about commiting violence against anyone!

All these years I wasted not raising my hand when all long it's the same as murder!

Spencer's not to blame. You are!

lol! Oh, boo-hoo! He kicked them out of the temple, justifiably so.

Meanwhile, Muslims mass-murdered hundreds of thousands of "Infidels," commanded by their moon god "allah," which is really Warlord Muhammed.

Oh boo-hoo, Jesus told the evil money-changers to go away! Oh boo-hoo!

You're very sick, "caesar" (LOL!) - you must be a Mohammedan.

Continue the elimination of religion, all of it, from Civic life.

Through political process, right vs left - until we always reach a middle conclusion. It could take 150 to 200 years but eventually the great work would be complete.

I see no use for religion in the 21st century, god forbid it goes on into the 22nd.

You're very stupid, you must be a retard.

You said that Jesus never used violence, but he did in fact use violence. Keep your comments in context, my fool.

"But there are a billion Muslims, how were they conceived? Do they have a magic we know nothing about?"

For the same reason there are MORE Catholics:

Every sperm is sacred and no birth control.

That makes no sense, you in all of your infinite wisdom told me that Muslim men murder their women as soon as they see leg.

I'm confused, duh duh duh.

"Through political process, right vs left - until we always reach a middle conclusion. It could take 150 to 200 years but eventually the great work would be complete."

It hasn't worked so far. In fact, it's made things worse.

Of couse, Islam worshipper like you, wouldn't have a clue that our Lord Jesus Christ is not mere human but our God in human flesh. As our God, our Lord Jesus Christ hates evil unlike your god, i.e. the Devil, of that creator of Islam, the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, who loves evil!

Our shared Judeo-Christian God also teaches us to fight battles against PREDATORY evil such as the right to self-defence as in Exodus 17: 8-16. And further, fundamentally, the Ten Commandments as in Exodus 20:2-17, is what makes up the foundation of progressive, civilized and modern Judeo-Christian civilization and Western laws until today. I supposed you prefer instead criminals like rapists, robbers and murderers like the savage Muslim fanatics/terrorists be treated like kings instead - Islam is indeed pathetic and evil!

That makes no sense, you in all of your infinite wisdom told me that Muslim men murder their women as soon as they see leg.

I'm confused, duh duh duh."

A common condition of libtards.

As soon as they see their women lifting their leg for other men or on the street. It's not that hard to understand. Unless you're a libtard.

Ask miriam rove what happens to women in Iran who dare to sport more skin than is mandated by the ruling mullahs.

I bet your momma is a whore according to mohammad. I'm not saying she is. But according to the ideology and its founder, you're woefully defending, women who leave the home with perfume on are whores.

Being personally abusive to Courreges W there do you - what to expect from violent-loving and cowardly Islam-worshipping fool and liar like you!

I'm an Islam worshipper? lol.

Haven't you figured out by now that I have no interest in religions? I see every religious person as dangerous to my freedoms because every single one of you wants to ban something or other because it's not 'holy.'

The Muslims have their bad list.
The Christians have their bad list.
The Jews have their list as well.

Even this Norway Terrorist had all sorts of religious reforms he planned to force upon the people of Norway if he got his way. (what a silly twit.)

No, my dear, what I want is a world of people not gripped by silly fairy tales.

ok Caesar1. what is your point here.

You're stupid and a retard. When did you get that lobotomy? Don't worry - it shows. Crawl back to your Crapistan where you belong, Creep.

You're a foul blemish on humanity, abdullah.

As Christians and Jews are so bad why don't you take off to an Islamic 'paradise' like Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and live there. Perhaps it would be helpful if somewhere amonst your baggage, a copy of a Bible, Torah or a kippot were to suddenly turn up, especially in Riyadh. You'd finally get some sense knocked into that thick head of yours. We know you've waited patiently for 16 years for this atrocity to take place, and hoped it would happen so you could spout your anti-Christian diatribe, ever since the Oklahoma City bombing back in 1995, just like every Leftist and Islamofascist, and you are at least one of those. We also know you wouldn't be posting on here if the victims were Israeli, because you would love it, because thats the way Leftists and Islamists are. Leftists and Islamists loved it when news of the masssacre of that Jewish family hit the airways, and how repulsive it was to read articles actually justify in print the murder and beheading of a five month old baby girl. But that is how Leftists and many Muslims are and how they think. They're truly the heirs to Hitler. They would have cheered it to the rafters, danced and handed out sweets had Breivik murdered 90-odd Israeli Jewish youngsters instead. For as long as I can remember, they have justified every atrocity carried out against Israelis by terrorists, and my memory goes right back to the Munich Olympics 39 years ago and those murdered Israeli athletes. And you certainly don't belong here in the West, sucking off the teats of those you would see killed or enslaved in a heartbeat.

"Question now is, how do we deal with Terrorists like McVeigh and this man?"

The same way McVeigh was dealt with: trial, sentencing and death by lethal injection.

However, Norway, I believe, has no death penalty so it's up to them how to deal with him.

If he were not already in custody I would suggest hunting him down and shooting him for resisting arrest, but that's just me. I still believe in frontier justice.

As Christians and Jews are so bad why don't you take off to an Islamic 'paradise' like Iran, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and live there. Perhaps it would be helpful if somewhere amonst your baggage, a copy of a Bible, Torah or a kippot were to suddenly turn up, especially in Riyadh. You'd finally get some sense knocked into that thick head of yours. We know you've waited patiently for 16 years for this atrocity to take place, and hoped it would happen so you could spout your anti-Christian diatribe, ever since the Oklahoma City bombing back in 1995, just like every Leftist and Islamofascist, and you are at least one of those. We also know you wouldn't be posting on here if the victims were Israeli, because you would love it, because thats the way Leftists and Islamists are. Leftists and Islamists loved it when news of the masssacre of that Jewish family hit the airways, and how repulsive it was to read articles actually justify in print the murder and beheading of a five month old baby girl. But that is how Leftists and many Muslims are and how they think. They're truly the heirs to Hitler. They would have cheered it to the rafters, danced and handed out sweets had Breivik murdered 90-odd Israeli Jewish youngsters instead. For as long as I can remember, they have justified every atrocity carried out against Israelis by terrorists, and my memory goes right back to the Munich Olympics 39 years ago and those murdered Israeli athletes. And you certainly don't belong here in the West, sucking off the teats of those you would see killed or enslaved in a heartbeat.

My point is to keep this on track.

Another mass murder committed by another religious fool.

And don't you dare tell me he wasn't, he was into the Knights' Templar (the fictional version) big time and had all these plans for religious reformation after his big 'martyrdom.'

Next week we'll have another Muslim crank blowing something up or killing some girl for retarded reason.

Week after that an Orthodox Jew will ban females from some settlement, or perhaps behead another dog. -- That actually happened go check google news.

You're all bonkers.

The fact that you don't even understand that this site is a conspiracy theory site proves to me that fact.

Muslim "caesar" is just an Abuser in general. It can't help itself - it's a Muslim.

But Thanks, kath, best wishes to you and hope you're doing great!

"I don't see anything [on the site] blameworthy in the least."

Glad you approve.

"Nothing wrong with expressing rational opinions."

It's always good to know what kind of opinions we can express.

Islam-worshippers like you love lies and lies! PREDATORY Muslim terorist/fanatic savages have been robbing, raping, murdering and torturing innocent human beings since that the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, created Islam, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws! Now, get civilized!

No, you're bonkers. Now, why don't you crawl back to whatever sewage dump you came from? Good Riddance.

You are aware that I'm not Muslim or Arab, right?

But besides that, you have no problem with Terrorism as long as the perpetrator is not Muslim? I mean, I see no condemnation of what he did.

He killed 60 children folks, 60 kids.

No excuse.

By the way, another pathetic lie from you, Islam-worshipper leftie; here's the real TRUTH instead - between Atheist Socialists Hitler (who strangely loved Islam), Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians!

He's a nut job, in a similar manner to McVeigh, Breivick, and the rest, just gettine his kicks with too much time on his hands. A dedicated other, a leftard. Can't face up to the truth of islam or history, just a revisionist, arguing in vein hope of winning his imaginary cause of all is well with the world, if only the right thinking realists would disappear. He is a prisoner of his time/reality warped mind, as in their ways, were Mc Beigh and Anders. Some people become so unglued, they lose connection to time and place, lose perspective.

you are correct! how could not have known this?! another conspiracy by the jews and zionist!! God damn Caesar1! you are a genious! Islam is a jewish conspiracy! I forgot!!
Thank you.
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But you don't mind, don't you, Islam-loving leftie, that the Muslim fanatics and terrorists of Hamas in Palestine keep killing Jewish children? Hypocrite!

Are you stupid or unable to read?

I am not a Muslim, or Christian or Jewish.

There are no lies here I said that all religions should be, slowly, eliminated. In time I believe that can happen. The banning of prayer and religious symbols in public spaces is a start.

And before you go on - No, I don't hate Jesus, I think he was a great philosopher, but his doctrine is lost on fools.

I've been here for two hours - two hours to bitch and whine about muslims.

I thought Jesus was about faith and good works? The last 2 hours one of you could have went out and bought a burger, or coffee for a homeless man, or even talk to him or her you know to bring good into someones life, but nope.

btw for all of this religious hate - didn't Jesus talk to the Samaritans?

19 male Muslims mass-murdered 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001. 3,000.

Do you have a point? Why are you here? As the poster above correctly said, you're a "nutjob." Go spin your Tarantula web somewhere else, spider.

Are you concerned about Israel killing Palestinian children?

That's the saddest part about war, the most vulnerable and those without any say in the catalysts of war always lose the most.

But hey, Muslims - keep killing your own children. Christians - Keep killing your own children and Jews - Keep killing your own children.

My my, perhaps one day we can find a planet to send you religious folks to. You'll probably destroy the entire thing in about 100 years, tops.

Bravo, Spirit, well said facts.

Oh shut-up, benighted and vicious atheist. You need help. I hope someone commits you to an asylum which is where you belong. You're sick.

You're welcome Courreges W! Keep writing those brilliant comments - the Muslim Abuser is squirming from all the truths here, against the evilness of Islam!

"No, my dear, what I want is a world of people not gripped by silly fairy tales."

I would almost believe that except libtards like you always attack Christianity and Judaism while defending mohammadism.

You're quick to jump up and point fingers when a "Christian" no matter how marginal commits a crime but you cry racism and ignore historical and CURRENT and scriptural facts detailing the daily subjugation of non-mohammadans in mohammadan majority countries.

No, the truth is you want a world not gripped by Christianity or Da JOOOOS. You're okay with all of the other fairy tales.

But could you please describe a country "gripped" by Christianity?

I've lived in countries "gripped" by Christians and mohammadans. I much prefer being in one "gripped" by Christians. Their fairy tale affects me in no way that I notice while the mohammadans' fairy tale and it's laws severely restricted my lifestyle.

Right-on, exactly. Bravo.

Sure, but why do you seek a religious solution to a criminal act?

When a murderer murders his family do we call in the Priests to figure out why it happened and how God can assist? Of course not.

We punish criminal acts in a sane and rational manner. We remain focused and do not go out on witch hunts.

Upwards of 100,000 Americans died in WW2. They remained rational and sane.

In total 60 million + died in WW2 and yet Americans kept their sanity.

3000 die and you go off into witch hunt mode? Why? Are you that scared of life?

And the Islamists you support slaughtered over 350 children and their teachers at Beslan, 202 tourists at Bali, 3,000 innocents on 9/11, 300 US and French peacekeepers in Beirut, 62 tourists in Luxor, 170 innocents in Mumbai, 191 in Madrid, other atrocitires at Sharm al-Sheikh, 115 Jews in Buenos Aires, countless Israelis over the last 63 years and 300 million infidels over the centuries.

Likewiswe the Pol Pots, Stalins, Hitlers, Chairman Maos, Safddam Husseins, Yasser Arafats, Haniyehs, Nasrallahs, Ayatollah Khomeinis and Che Guevaras you admire so much murdered another 150 million innocents.

"There are no lies here I said that all religions should be, slowly, eliminated. In time I believe that can happen. The banning of prayer and religious symbols in public spaces is a start."

Really? So you're one of the folks who opposes the forced wearing of hijab and recitation of shahada as part of the "history" lessons in California?

You're out there protesting about the forced comsumption of halal meat in PUBLIC schools in the U.K. and North America?

You're rallying against women being allowed to wear hijab, niqab and burka in identification photos?

No, you're not.

You're just a Christian hating libtard.

Wrong again.

I'm conservative in my politics, I just have no belief in the Gods of various religions. I don't think that should be a crime especially when you're crying about freedom all of the time.

And puh-lease, I've jumped on Muslims and called them on their bullshit as well, however today the Norway Terrorist is not Muslim, so why bring it up?

Many nations were in the grip of Religion, some more than others today, especially the Muslim nations. Now, in my nation I have a fight between tweedle dum and tweedle dee - Muslims and Christians, two forces of lunacy.

The Christians try to influence policy based on their religion, which makes me cringe.

And the Muslims and Jews do the exact same thing.

We need a new Henry VIII, but this time not to ban only the pope - But all of it.

Bulldoze the Churches, Synagogues and Mosques.

Problem solved.

In time no one will remember any of it or take it seriously anymore than we take the myth of Horus seriously today.

I am aware that you're a fiendish and ungrateful Jew- and Christian-hating moron who would have wanted to kiss Breiviks backside had he slaughtered 90-plus Israeli youngsters instead.

Apparently you're that scared of life.

You're so vile and vicious you were spawned by a crocodile. In addition, you're insane, reptile.

"Nurse, where's the Islam-loving atheist's straightjacket? Hurry! It's needed!"

Oh now I realized you're pretending to be a leftie - to cover up the evil of Islam and shut us up! Why don't you reply to my facts about your beloved Mohammed and his Arabic tribe, who were raping (including young Jewish children), beheading, robbing and mass murdering the Jews? And then Mohammed created Islam to justify such evilness - and savage Muslims until today still believe in continuing that legacy towards the Jews(now, towards all non-Muslims)! You hate this truth don't you, Islam-worshipper?!

I'm a crocodile now? I see. Lol.

If we had a new Henry VIII, he would probably have lopped off your worthless head. Think yourself lucky you weren't around in 1540.

Upwards of 100,000 Americans died in WW2. They remained rational and sane.

In total 60 million + died in WW2 and yet Americans kept their sanity.

3000 die and you go off into witch hunt mode? Why? Are you that scared of life?

You just tipped your hand.

The difference between an openly declared war and a terrorist attack is like the difference between gang warfare and police actions.

Don't tell me, I already know: you hate the police and "overly authoriative" groups.

How about can we bulldoze you and your imbecilic and vicious comments? Celebrate!

So in 600 A.D only the Muslims were going around raping and pillaging?

The Roman Empire never existed? Really? I thought Jesus was crucified there.

Rape of the Sabine women ring a bell for you?

Get real lady, rape was common place up until the mid 1800's because women the world over were considered nothing more than property of men and child bearers.

Conspiracy is when you twist facts to suit your own belief, usually against a group you hate and the truth is usually unknown to anyone else but you or your group.

Again good conspiracy theory site.

The conspiracy theory today is that in 600 A.D Only muslims raped, pillaged and warred.

How can you write that kind of dribble and believe it?

Courreges W is right! You're an Islam-worshipping crocodile - if you think the 3,000 of mostly non-Muslim Americans, mass murdered under Islam and by Muslim savages, is worth nothing! You're sick!

Why would I hate the Police? They keep you looney toons in check. If it wasn't for the Police Christians, Jews and Muslims would be warring in the streets.

Terror is not a piece of legislation my dear, it is a feeling and of course the Nazi's tried to terrify the American people into political change, or inaction.

3000 Die and it's the end of the world?

Fact : Americans in the 1930's were not a bunch of sissy bags.

They faced Hitler sanely and rationally. When the soviets told us they would nuke us, same thing - sane and rational.

413,000 Americans, 352,000 Brits, 27 million Soviets, 14 million Chinese and another 250,000 Empire troops died for you to pour out your inane rantings here. How they must feel if they could read the Internet where they now are. And we know you think the only thing wrong with that atrocity was the nationality of those kids. Had they been Israeli Jews, you would be in celebratory mood. We have you sussed out and you are mere pond life, unworthy of the part of the world you live in.

"I'm conservative in my politics, I just have no belief in the Gods of various religions. I don't think that should be a crime especially when you're crying about freedom all of the time.

And puh-lease, I've jumped on Muslims and called them on their bullshit as well, however today the Norway Terrorist is not Muslim, so why bring it up?"

Because I quite simply don't believe a word of it.

If you've "called" mohammadans "on their bullshit" you wouldn't have started your bullshit on here by telling Mr. Spencer he was responsible for what happened in Norway.

You've blamed Christianity and Mr Spencer for ONE attack by a marginal Christian at best and deflected every accusation that islam's founder and core texts *OPENLY* demonstrated and command this sort of behaviour.

You've already tipped your hand. You're a Christian hating libtard.

Of course, Islam worshipper like you, wouldn't have a clue that our Lord Jesus Christ is not mere human but our God in human flesh. As our God, our Lord Jesus Christ hates evil unlike your god, i.e. the Devil, of that creator of Islam, the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, who loves evil!

Our shared Judeo-Christian God also teaches us to fight battles against PREDATORY evil such as the right to self-defence as in Exodus 17: 8-16. And further, fundamentally, the Ten Commandments as in Exodus 20:2-17, is what makes up the foundation of progressive, civilized and modern Judeo-Christian civilization and Western laws until today. I supposed you prefer instead criminals like rapists, robbers and murderers like the savage Muslim fanatics/terrorists be treated like kings instead - Islam is indeed pathetic and evil!

Actually, blankety-blank Muslim - you're the devil. You crazy Mohammedan. Islam = Insanity.

Actually, blankety-blank Muslim - you're the devil. You crazy Mohammedan. Islam = Insanity.

I'd go one step further for the 21st century.

Religion = Insanity.

No God has ever spoken to the world, there is no proof that these religious Gods exist and Science has yet to find one shred of true evidence of a God. Not theory, evidence.

I think it's quite insane to believe in something that you can't see, hear, touch, smell, or hear.

Courreges W is right! You're an Islam-worshipping crocodile - if you think the 3,000 of mostly non-Muslim Americans, mass murdered under Islam and by Muslim savages, is worth nothing! You're sick!

You have given the game away. The murder of 3,000 innocents in New York doesn't bother you. And that is because you're an evil American-, Israeli-, Jew- and Christian-hating bigot. Your sort aren't wanted here. There are far more deserving people in this world who should have enjoyed the creature comforts of the West above pond scum like yoourself, examples being Pakistani Christians, Iranian Jews etc, but the hand of fate put an ungrateful and prejudiced oik like yourself in the West. You should have been a Christian living in Pakistan instead. You probably celebrated the 9/11 atrocity. You aren't worth the mud that collects on a soldier's boots. So follow your hollow principles and leave for Iran, bigot.

First of all, I am an atheist and I am NOT your dear.

"Terror is not a piece of legislation my dear, it is a feeling and of course the Nazi's tried to terrify the American people into political change, or inaction.

3000 Die and it's the end of the world?"

Now you're contradicting yourself.

War is legislation. Terror is a feeling.

3000 died and the terrorist's got what they wanted but you have a problem with people reacting to it. You make excuses for it but you blame Spencer for causing the slaughter in Norway.

You have a problem with people discussing the cause of it or how to react to it.

Yet you have no problem with "left-right discussion."

But no doubt you would be having hissy fits if even one Western government openly declared war on islamic terrorists and their ideology: islam.

Yes, a reptile. Which your vicious comments indicate. No compassion, no mercy, no goodness - just like Allah in the KKKoran.

Of course, Islam worshipper like you, wouldn't have a clue that our Lord Jesus Christ is not mere human but our God in human flesh. As our God, our Lord Jesus Christ hates evil unlike your god, i.e. the Devil, of that creator of Islam, the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, who loves evil!

Have you ever undergone psychiatric examination? Perhaps you should. Not to be insulting but you do show symptoms of mental illness, from your text anyways.

You seem to keep referring to 600A.D and the rape of one group.

Why? and why do you not acknowledge that rape was (and still is) used as a tool of war? Likewise, why do you not acknowledge the fact that rape of any group was widespread in fucking 600 AD?

You sound like a Schizophrenic, with your word salads and new word creations... always hinting at some ultimate doom brought on by some shadowy evil that's going to get us all.

I'd just go for a check up and see what the doctor says...

You Islam-loving Leftie pretender! If you're really an atheist, I've asked you before, so it's ok for you that between Atheist Socialists Hitler (who loved Islam), Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, that they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians?! You're sick!

Now it's evident that you're just completely lost. No wonder you're such a vicious croc. Crocs have no beliefs, either.

First of all, I am an atheist and I am NOT your dear.

"Terror is not a piece of legislation my dear, it is a feeling and of course the Nazi's tried to terrify the American people into political change, or inaction.

3000 Die and it's the end of the world?"

Now you're contradicting yourself.

War is legislation. Terror is a feeling.

3000 died and the terrorist's got what they wanted but you have a problem with people reacting to it. You make excuses for it but you blame Spencer for causing the slaughter in Norway.

You have a problem with people discussing the cause of it or how to react to it.

Yet you have no problem with "left-right discussion."

But no doubt you would be having hissy fits if even one Western government openly declared war on islamic terrorists and their ideology: islam.

1. Yes, you are my dear.

2. I did not contradict myself in any fashion, I said 3000 people died and it's the end of the world? Meaning in sarcastic fashion that the American people have faced, far far worse things and never panicked. Christ even the Brits were more of a threat.

3. Indeed I do have a problem with any witch hunt mode widespread paranoia, holy war sort of thing. Again sane and rational. The people responsible for 9/11 are being captured and or killed and Osama has been killed.

4. Oh, no no, I would love for Governments to openly have a war against religion. No bloodshed and bullets, just a slow elimination of all - especially the nasty 3 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam; from public life.

Now, can't stand an intelligent woman challenging you - calling me mentally ill; I think you're a Muslim savage after all! Well after all, your beloved creator of Islam, teh Arabic Pedophile Rapist Mohammed, hated women/girls - he only knows how to rape them!

"The Christians try to influence policy based on their religion, which makes me cringe."

Yeah, but they can't and don't have me arrested for disagreeing with them trying to influence policy. I argue with Christians openly and often without fear.

Had one spit on me. Once.

On the other hand, I was threatened with death, rape and arrest, hit, slapped, spit on and accused of being a "racist" many times for simply not being muslim, not agreeing that all Westerners are Christian crusaders and all Jews and Israel should be wiped off the map.

No doubt had I been a native of that country I would not be here today. Even now in my own non muslim country I am threatened and accused of racism if I argue with mohammadans.

You Islam-loving Leftie pretender! If you're really an atheist, I've asked you before, so it's ok for you that between Atheist Socialists Hitler (who loved Islam), Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, that they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians?! You're sick!
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In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you're being singled out for harm. You hold on to these false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary. Delusions can result in aggression or violence if you believe you must act in self-defense against those who want to harm you.

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You posted twice that God, delusion of reference, gives you the right to defend yourself. Even though according to the math you're not even in harms way. Because 1. the Norway Terrorist was not a Muslim and 2. 00000000.8% of Muslims are or will ever carry out an act of Terrorism when you calculate the frequency of terrorism and the amount of Muslims on earth.
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Why are you so Paranoid?

By the way, now, you're saying rape is justified in war - so it's justified by that Rapist barbarian Mohammed, despite calling himself a prophet and creating the Arabic Satanic cult, Islam to justify such barbarism? Most rapists don't create a 'religion' nor call themsleves 'prophets' after raping and murdering young children and women like the Devil's beast - which is what Mohammed is! You're really sick!

You're the paranoid Islam-worshippper; you just hate my guts because you can't stand a non-Muslim intelligent woman challenging you isn't it? You're one big joke! After all, in Islam, women/girls are trearted worst than aniamls - only good enough just for sex, rape or for breeding!

Yeah, but they can't and don't have me arrested for disagreeing with them trying to influence policy. I argue with Christians openly and often without fear.

Not in America no, but then again neither do the Muslims where in America. But both sure would love to, I know because I look at the Christian and Muslim histories of persecution and witch hunts and inquisitions. They may preach peace and love now, but they only do it because they no longer have any real power to enforce.

So? You said your job, your plan is to belittle Islamic people. Aren't you being a little hypocritical when they're just using the same tactics you are?

And seriously what do you expect in a backwards country? Most of the muslim countries are ass backwards, still living in dark ages.

They probably still have actual witch hunts too.

"1. Yes, you are my dear."

No, I am not. Only two people on this planet have the right to call me dear and you're not one of them.

"2. I did not contradict myself in any fashion, I said 3000 people died and it's the end of the world? Meaning in sarcastic fashion that the American people have faced, far far worse things and never panicked. Christ even the Brits were more of a threat."

Japanese interment camps were not "panic?" They were a panic, but I agree with them.

"3. Indeed I do have a problem with any witch hunt mode widespread paranoia, holy war sort of thing. Again sane and rational. The people responsible for 9/11 are being captured and or killed and Osama has been killed."

But, there is and was far more than 9/11. It was just the straw that finally broke the camel's back. The West is just too stupid and/or pc to declare war.

"4. Oh, no no, I would love for Governments to openly have a war against religion. No bloodshed and bullets, just a slow elimination of all - especially the nasty 3 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam; from public life."

But instead, you're here blaming Spencer for the actions of one marginal member of the "nasty-3." You're accusing others, myself included, of being just like the killer, despite some of us not belonging to any of the "nasty-3." Actually, you're attacking only those who belong to one of the "nasty-3" You're accusing one man who simply presents the daily facts of memebers of one of the "nasty-3" while defending, excusing and lying about the actions and ideology of on of the other "nasty-3."

At least I'm honest. I hate one of the nasty-3 more than the others.

You're the paranoid Islam-worshippper; you just hate my guts because you can't stand a non-Muslim intelligent woman challenging you isn't it? You're one big joke! After all, in Islam, women/girls are trearted worst than aniamls - only good enough just for sex, rape or for breeding!

Who says I hate you? I don't even know you. It's just a message board, calm down.

In all of the big three religions women are less than men. You're free because of a lack of religious power, not because of it.

It wasn't even that long ago when the first women Ministers were allowed in and Women Priests are still banned in the Catholic faith.

Who are you trying to kid?

The Times is simply trying to understand, how and what influenced this mans psychology.
This is as an atrocious lie.

Time is not trying to understand; time is busy insinuating, slandering, libeling, judging and convicting and, not so secretly, rejoicing.

But I am trying to understand what influenced your psychology. What makes you regurgitate Time’s vomit, what makes you dive into the sewer of lies, what makes you savor the wicked malice, the absurd lies as if it were champagne. Yes, champagne, because it is so obvious that you are celebrating that awful tragedy.
It is the hour of triumph for you. And if the number of victims were 180 instead of 80 and if the target was a mosque full of worshippers your joy would have no boundaries.

That is what you, RealJewHater and every Hamas, or Hizbullah or Al Qaida turd would LOVE to see. Not because you hate muslims, you don’t give a damn for them either, but because of your insane hate of the truth that the Christian West, although never perfect, is the greatest, freest, most humane civilization in the history of man. This is not my verdict but the verdict of countless millions non-westernes who settled among us or dream of doing that. People do indeed vote with their feet often regardless what their mouth says.

You want the Christian West to be wicked so badly, that you would kill any number of muslims to prove it if you had means, guts and brains to do it clandestinely.

I know your kind, you bastard. Your indignation and dismay at the tragedy, your sympathy for the victims are as phony as your “arguments” are dumb. No, you have no subtle perfidy of Goebbels. But you stink just as awful as him.

This was my other post to the forum.

One thing that got me was how the shooter (now remember, this island is so small that any shot, anywhere on it, would be heard over the whole island and you'd know where the shot came from) would come across groups of kids huddling together and say "come on out, I'm the police and I'm here to protect you"
You can bet the survivors are going to have a fear of anyone in a police uniform for the rest of there lives.

That is the one thing you libtards don't understand. The ones who are not actively engaging in jihad do support it through donations or jihad of the pen.

I was shocked by how many I thought were "moderate" educated muslims who were people just like me who abhor violence, but, upon feeling that I was "one of them" openly admitted to donating to jihad or agreed with violent jihad and flat out stated that those who were killed were not "innocents."

Why were you shocked by this revelation? Every group wishes to obtain or maintain power over others, this is especially true of religious groups.

The problem with religion as a whole is that it cannot not be tempered and rarely can it be assimilated into the whole fabric of a nation. Especially faiths alien to the geography.

Sure, most Christians have been moderated by state efforts but as you can see from their writing, they still crave power.

Of course religion is not the sole factor in the antagonisms of man, but it is a constantly problematic one and the only one that can be utterly abolished, by time, effort and pop-culture.

No no, The Great nations became great AFTER they reduced the power of religion. Not before.

Look at the Arabs, look at their great civilization before Islam and look at the backwards shit they have now.

Lesson learned? I hope?

No, John...the problem is: You're so sick that you wouldn't know what wellness is if it jumped-up and bit your sorry, equivalizing ass...

Man, are you in need of history lessons. And I write this as one who has taught history at the college level for almost thirty years now.

Error #1 of yours: Your contention that the great nations became great after they reduced the power of religion. Let's see now. Ancient Egypt during the Old, Middle and New Kingdoms were societies where religion was very powerful and yet Egypt was powerful, especially during the New Kingdom, the period of the 18th, 19th and 20th dynasties. The ancient Persian Empire under the Achaemenid dynasty, founded by Cyrus the Great in the latter half of the sixth century B.C., was quite religious under its own religion of Zoroastrianism and remained extremely strong through Cambyses, Darius and Xerxes. Its later dissolution was not due to religion but rather fratricidal warfare between royal brothers and the genius of the Greek soldier, particularly Alexander the Great, who, by the way, was profoundly religious. Medieval England (especially under the Norman and Plantagenet dynasties) and France (particularly under the early Carolingians and most of the Capetian dynasty) were very powerful, very great polities during a time of tremendous religious fervor and development. Spain was the greatest power in the world in the sixteenth century at a time when it was deeply religious. Ditto for France in the seventeenth century under Henry IV, Louis XIII and Louis XIV. Moreover, I wonder if you realize that virtually every Founding Father of America thought religion key to the maintenance of the American Republic. Even those who were in private skeptical of many Christian assertions, men like Franklin and Jefferson, wanted a secular government but definitely not a secular society. All this has been lost on you.

Error #2 of yours: This one is even more astoundingly wrong than your first error. You maintain that the Arabs had a great civilization before Islam. No they didn't. They were a second-rate, more like a third-rate, society that impacted very little on world events and, besides, during the pre-Islamic period of Arabia, polytheism existed extensively among the Arab tribes. As for any greatness once the Arabs adopted Islam and came out of the desert with their new religion, much of their greatness was borrowed and the Arabs at that time were very fortunate that the Byzantine and Sassanian states had mutually weakened each other right before the Arab invasion of their lands.

Really, your knowledge of history is dismal. You prove well the maxim a little knowledge is a bad thing. Your grade: F.

Mindless Christian-baiting and deriding of conservatives is just so much fun when you think you got them on the run, eh, trolls? Well it ain't and you haven't. No point in feeding trolls.

"Well since your alive I doubt anyone has killed you so far, you said that you belittle Muslims, so again, are you surprised that they responded in kind? With anger, to belittle you?"

I disagreed with them there. Simply disagreed. Sometimes just asked questions that pissed them off. And yes, I was surprised at the hatred for simple questions.

Here, I mock them. After years of their hatred, now that I am relatively safe I do mock them.

And threats are not belittling. Threats and belittling are two very different things. Again, your libtardenss is showing.

w*p*f,

I think it's for the same reason that most folks would stand-up and defend themselves and their loved-ones from any kind of attack. And, this is our home-turf here.

In any case, istanbul-Chick is slapping this "Caesar" nimrod
down like an annoying fly! And, yes, I'm thoroughly enjoying that...

Regards to you, w*p*f,

G

I wonder the same thing. In one year, one hour and seven minutes we went from being warned to being monitored as den of vipers.

Caesar1
11:40 AM | I told you about a year ago that your site was going to create monsters like this, you ignored me.
12:08 PM | By the way let's keep things on track.
12:19 PM | Again... let's get back on track here.
12:26 PM | Yes he disclosed this himself to the Police.
12:43 PM | Why by the way are we still talking about Islam?
12:47 PM | ... this site is being monitored as a potential den for Domestic Terrorism...

He is here to bait, incite and run back to his Islamist masters and show them the fruits of his efforts -- i.e., "how I made them mad."

I've been away from the site for a while, but I note with interest how your engagement with the posters here has changed. Your first post is one in which you use strong street language to accues Robert Spencer of hate-mongering, pausing only long enough to pat yourself on the back to say "I told you so." If it's not tautological to say so, this strikes me as a case of misplaced Schadenfreude if ever there was one, LOL! What are you here for? To dance on the grves of slaughtered innocents while attempting to put a noose around an innocent man's neck. A curious sort of reasining indeed.

Then you attempted to lecture the world regarding a portion of one of my own posts. The mythology of the demise of the Templars is well known. And their even-handedness in dealing with Moslems speaks well of them. They indeed acquired communal wealth over time, yet the aspersions of homosexuality and worship of Baphomet have not been shown to be anything but calumnies. The point is very simple: Breivik slaughtered unarmed innocents and lived by a code of his own making. The Templars slaughtered armed Moslem warriors with a skill and bravery that even their foes conceded to them, yet lived humbly as monks submitting to the rule of St. Benedict. A book I'd recommend for you is "The Templars" by Piers Paul Read, complete with reference citations. I'm sure you'll like it. It has pictures.

Your engagement here now appears to as a staunch defender of a secular society. It's odd that you assume everyone here to be of a, ummm....what's the politically correct term? Of a certain religious persuasion, yes? Well they're not. Some posters here are truly secularists, not of the faux secularist ilk that really hasn't a point to make.

But I guess that's the operative definition of "troll" isn't it. I can't think of one useful thing you done here today, unless it is this: I stated earlier that the weapon in the war that now rages in the world is Free Speech. The truth WILL out. And you'll understand this my friend when you can't go anywhere without people recognizing you for the fool your are.

"2. A secret plot committed by powerful groups that you don't like. (The secret plot of Muslims trying to invade and control Europe. Only you know about it, it's secret to the dumb leftists.)"

Can't believe I missed this one.

The islamist's agenda is no secret, they openly declare it at every opportunity, nor are the leftards ignorant of it. They openly embrace and endorse it.

There's no conspiracy at all.

Ceasar1, can we at least admit that the Islamic world is currently beset by numerous movements which take the Quran and hadith's admonition to supremacism, imperialism, and violence SERIOUSLY and that there are numerous Muslims who are willing and ready to act upon this violent ideology both within their individual Muslim societies and to carry this war against the "other" to the international level?

The Quran, and its interpreters to this very day, are loaded with violent admonitions, and those that follow them are far from being the perverters and distorters/misinterpreters of "true Islam" that others eagerly and loudly proclaim them to be.

True, the Written Torah contains violent passages which, read literally and at surface-level, seem to verify the equivalency that you are claiming for Judaism. You must also examine the Oral Torah, as taught and expounded through the ages, and realize that these things are NOT to be taken literally, or in a way a superficial reading of the material would seem to indicate to an uninformed and casual reader.

Allow me to also add that were a Jew to take these things literally and seek to apply them (against the reality of how legal decisions are to be carried out according to Jewish law) his or her acts would be nullified by the traditional Jewish halachic establishment; he or she would also be roundly condemned by the Jewish mainstream, both secular AND religious in its various streams. I say this as an informed Jew, formerly Orthodox, who is familiar with the traditional literature and legal traditions of Judaism. I don't deny that there are indeed fanatics within the Jewish community; but such fanatics are indeed the proverbially miniscure minority, and their voices are always silenced by the religious majority that has maintained its sanity.

Regarding Christianity, there are NO teachings of Jesus as they appear in the Gospel narrative that can honestly be said to condone rape, murder, and mayhem against non-Christians. I state this most emphatically, and it's coming from someone who knows the history of "Christian" violence and injustice against his own community.

The moral-equivalency is, purely and simply, a misreading of religious texts, a distortion of history, and just can not hold water.

"you are correct! how could not have known this?! another conspiracy by the jews and zionist!! God damn Caesar1! you are a genious! Islam is a jewish conspiracy! I forgot!!
Thank you."

ROFLMAO!

Good one, Miriam!

Looks like "Caesar" couldn't answer the bell for the 15th round. And with the beat-down you put on him, that's no surprise! For his sake, I hope he's just (barely) smart enough not to want a rematch, LOL...

"Looks like "Caesar" couldn't answer the bell for the 15th round. And with the beat-down you put on him, that's no surprise! For his sake, I hope he's just (barely) smart enough not to want a rematch, LOL..."

Oh, he'll be back. Leftards and moral and cultural relativists are like pitbulls.

They don't know when to let go and will hang on to the death.

Beating them upside the head with facts is pointless. They are immune to the truth.

But it's fun smacking them around and it lets people who have no idea of the left's agenda see what they're really all about.

I saw that you called him out, and that made me evaluate his posts and moniker. "Real Jew," as the moniker of the person who wrote the things he wrote, is a name that shows he is anything but, and he was thinking before he ever came on here that people were going to see through his pretense of being a Jew. So with guile about as advanced as that of a 6-year old, he decided to put "Real" at the front of his moniker as a sort of pre-emptive defense against the suspicions he anticipated.

Islam's weird anti-semitism is expressed in his behavior and the behavior of other similar imposters who occasionally reveal themselves so transparently on these threads.

Glad you liked it!

You said,

Wow, you people are pretty sick.

Wow, you combined two errors in a short sentence. 1) Ad hominem is not an argument. But perhaps you have nothing substantive to say? You never responded to my responses to you, in which I did not use any ad hominem against you. 2) You generalized and referred to "you people." What are you, some kind of bigot?

Thanks traeh.

Just got some news relating to an earlier post of mine, about what was going on in Anders youth. Something was wrong or happened to him in childhood, as this just out news remark implies, from an interview with Breivik father:

"Jens David Breivik (father of perp) said he had severed all contact with his son in 1995, when the latter was 16."

Now that's traumatic enough, what else happened, before this? This guy had issues way into childhood, why, what kind, they matter, some people they shape, some people overcome some issues. Never excuses behavior, but explains.
How deep will this go?

Imagine the mental issues of islam youth in madrassas, these things usually tend to lead to adult disoredered thinking, minor to very major. That is why we in America try to provide love and security and stability, for children's minds to grow, smoothly, as much as possible.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/25/prosecutor-norway-suspect-doesnt-expect-release/#ixzz1TAeNtz5z

"Caesar, it's people like you that remind me why I prefer Muslims (the liberal non-violent kind, of course) to atheists. If you guys had your way, we Christians wouldn't be able to speak in public or vote."

Be careful there.

Not all atheists think like that. Not all of us attack Christians and I certainly don't think Christians should not be allowed to speak or vote.

As an atheist, I don't really believe he's an atheist. I'm leaning toward him just being a Christian/Jew hater.

Another excellent reply, IC. My atheist friends are never that far out. There are always a few outliers in any group I've ever seen. Some of the best and some the worst, it's just the old truism, "exceptions to every rule, and group"

"Think I'm exaggerating?"

Yes.

"Consider the comparative religious debate over."

Says who? It will continue until someone pulls our cold dead fingers off these keyboards. It's fun.

I really want to understand why you hate Mormons and soccer moms. It seems incongruous with your stated platform here.

Caesar1 said,

But besides that, you have no problem with Terrorism as long as the perpetrator is not Muslim? I mean, I see no condemnation of what he did...He killed 60 children folks, 60 kids.

You see no condemnation? Can you read? In just two minutes, I found on this comments thread the following examples of condemnations, and I'm sure there are many more:

Evanmarkfilms said,

How utterly sickening that a psychopath can go on a murderous rampage killing dozens of innocent children...

Chatillon said,

Breivik's atrocious crime...

Andrea Edgar refers to Breivik's

despicable actions.

Ray Thomas refers to Breivik's actions as those of a

lone lunatic.

miriam rove said,

...he should be called a terrorist, like hitler, bin laden

"I really want to understand why you hate Mormons and soccer moms. It seems incongruous with your stated platform here."

I was just making a point for caeser that I hate a lot of groups, muslims included, but I manage to not nor will I ever harm any of them and Mr. Spencer did not "encourage" "breed" or "create" my hatred of them.

However, I'm not fond of polygamy and when I was thinking of people or groups of people I hate that show "sister wives" popped into my mind. But I don't know any Mormons. I should have said "Mormonism."

Nor do I know any soccor moms but I hate the ones that drive like they own the road. Just last week I watched one honk at and flip off a grandmother and her three grandchildren as they were crossing the road with the crossing light. Apparently they weren't walking fast enough for her. She must have had a big soccer match to get to.

If you're a Mormon soccor mom, I apologize. I didn't mean to offend you. Nor do I personally hate you.

Unless you think you own the road. ;)

Re: Caesar1

"As an atheist, I don't really believe he's an atheist. I'm leaning toward him just being a Christian/Jew hater."

If he's who I think he is, he has more faces than the Hope Diamond. Believe not a word he says because he likely takes the exact opposite position in at least 10% of his other 5 gazillion screen names.

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~A double minded man is unstable in all his ways~

Christian Bible, Book of James, Chapter 1, Verse 8

"Another excellent reply, IC. My atheist friends are never that far out. There are always a few outliers in any group I've ever seen. Some of the best and some the worst, it's just the old truism, "exceptions to every rule, and group"

In my experience the atheists who cross the line into outright Christian hatred always have another agenda.

It's usually communism. Sometimes it's issues they have with something or someone in their past, sometimes they're atheists who are hardcore socialists who see Christianity as an obstical to preach multi-culturalism and sometimes it's been mohammadans claiming to be atheists who think tearing down Christians gives them a doorway through which they can cross and start preaching dawa.

Goodness no, I'm not a Mormon soccer mom.

So, it's polygamy and driving that nails those two groups, Mormons and soccer moms, to your way of thinking.

Thanks -- that clears things right up.

"If he's who I think he is, he has more faces than the Hope Diamond. Believe not a word he says because he likely takes the exact opposite position in at least 10% of his other 5 gazillion screen names."

The only thing I'm sure he is is a moral and cultural relativist. I believe nothing that comes out of their mouths because I used to be one of them.

Who or what do you think he is?

@ John Blank

You vile troll.

Since you ignored my request on the other thread, I will ask again:

Please respond to my request for evidence for Timothy McVeigh claiming religious/Christian motivation for his acts, as well as evidence for where the Bible commands or condones such behavior.

"So, it's polygamy and driving that nails those two groups, Mormons and soccer moms, to your way of thinking."

Yep, pretty much.

According to caesar's logic, if I read a blog detailing the daily exploits of Godfather quoting, gold chain wearing, Mormon, soccor mom floozies there would be a whole lot of dead people and the blogger would be the "asshole" responsible.

Caesar1's logic is msm logic. Why do you even try to decipher it? There is none.

"Caesar1's logic is msm logic. Why do you even try to decipher it? There is none."

I'm not trying to decipher. I'm just smacking him around and keeping him going. The more lefties talk the more they reveal and the more people in the middle and some on the left understand what they're really all about. It's imperitive to know ones enemies.

You mentioned "if he's what I think he is..." and I was just curious what you thought he was.

He's said a few thing and he's said a few things in a certain way that make me think he's something else, but I could be wrong. He's far beyond being a parrot of the msm. He's one they get their marching orders from. Most people who are msm parrots start to change their tunes when hit with "the other side of the story."

Mo,

He knows you have him nailed, so you'll never get an answer from him. What we have here are "Trolls of Opportunity," who thought they smelled blood on the water & dropped-in to score some quick, easy points. The counter-punchers of the JW Troll Patrol have disabused them of that notion!

G

Caesar1, you said,

I think it's quite insane to believe in something that you can't see, hear, touch, smell, or hear.

Also, I wonder if you recall the last time you loved with your whole being, because if you remembered such experiences you would know that the core reality behind that four-letter word is not something you can see, hear, touch, or smell. Yet nothing could be more real. In your case, however, I guess "love" is nothing more than...what?...empirically observable hormones? Measurable changes in body temperature? An increased tendency to widen the oral aperture at an upward angle?

One need not believe in the Transubstantiation or the Eucharist to see that behind that most significant four-letter word there are more things than are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio. Philosophical materialism -- the notion that everything is matter -- falls to bits before a sufficiently full experience of love. The experience itself simply cannot be made to fit into material categories -- what you can see, hear, smell, touch, etc. -- although those who don't adequately know the experience will try.

In theory, Caesar1, you and your pals could rid the world of traditional religion. But it's impossible to get rid of metaphysics altogether, even for you, Caesar1, even within your own mind. Human beings are finite and inevitably have ideas and feelings about the infinite, and inevitably organize their actions in response to those ideas and feelings. Perhaps the most one can hope for is that those ideas and feelings not become too fixed, that they evolve through an ongoing dialogue with the infinite. But that sort of living approach can sometimes be integrated with traditional religion. Tradition and evolution are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In fact the opposite is true.

"What we have here are "Trolls of Opportunity," who thought they smelled blood on the water & dropped-in to score some quick, easy points."

Brilliant freaking, absolutely beautiful summary of the trolls who've popped up since the tragedy in Norway.

"What we have here are "Trolls of Opportunity," who thought they smelled blood on the water & dropped-in to score some quick, easy points."

Yes, he nailed it.

"Also, I wonder if you recall the last time you loved with your whole being, because if you remembered such experiences you would know that the core reality behind that four-letter word is not something you can see, hear, touch, or smell. Yet nothing could be more real. In your case, however, I guess "love" is nothing more than...what?...empirically observable hormones? Measurable changes in body temperature? An increased tendency to widen the oral aperture at an upward angle?"

ROFLMAO!

Traeh, you've killed me with that one! Wish I'd thought of that! And I think you've watched too many episodes of the Big Bang Theory!

I'm laughing too hard to read the rest of your post! I have to go take a breather before I choke on my tears of laughter.

When I recover I'll read the rest of it.

TJFREEDOMJIHAD, interesting stuff.

I_C, you did the heavy lifting on this one. You stood and delivered, didn't give an inch of ground, never blinked. And that against a smug, aggressive troll who came off as a professional agent provacateur, hired-gun type.

I'm on my feet here with a standing ovation for you!

Well said. Traeh.

It reminded me of something one of my doctor's told me several years ago.

We were discussing pregnancy and I mentioned that my brother and sister and law were trying their for a few years without success despite my sister in law being one of those "regular like clockwork" women.

My doctor said (and I will poorly explain what she explained to me) that while science understands the mechanics and biology of conception they can't always predict when and why it happens. She said sometimes it takes more, that spark when two people are in love, and in that moment it just happens.

I'm like you, even without religion, or a belief in anything concrete, there's still something there. I believe there's something that makes each of us unique. Without it we're just automatons. We'd all react the same way to the same stimulii.

Hey Istanbul_Chick, people who laugh at my humor are rewarded by God. Evidently, your reward will be great, if I do say so myself.

Fantastic, just fantastic. Your list should be an easy to find online resource that can be easily linked to.

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I_C, you did the heavy lifting on this one. You stood and delivered, didn't give an inch of ground, never blinked. And that against a smug, aggressive troll who came off as a professional agent provacateur, hired-gun type.

I'm on my feet here with a standing ovation for you!"

No, really, there were a lot of good people here toeing the line against this knuckle head who had the gall to state that Mr. Spencer was responsible for such a heinous tragedy.

The only thing I deserve credit for is keeping my potty mouth shut. I am usually like Miriam Rove when I get mad and I was seeing red today!

Ask the others, I used to swear like a drunken sailor at the mohammadans who would come here spewing their lies. I think Miriam is like me, we've lived the mohammadan nightmare, we know the reality of it and it's beyond frustrating when they openly lie about it.

Now a real show would have been if Isabella and Dumbledorsarmy had been here to add their two cents!

"Hey Istanbul_Chick, people who laugh at my humor are rewarded by God. Evidently, your reward will be great, if I do say so myself."

I hope it's reward and not punishment. If it's the latter I'm in for a whole world of hurt! :)

Truthiocity,

I'm a lazy nelly after today's go around. You don't happen to have a link that shows or summarizes what that loon quoted do you?

That's a great catch and should be shouted from the rooftops.

"Shumukh-al-Islam website"

You are aware that this website doesn't even exist right? In fact It doesn't even exist in the Web Archive.

Because anyone who understands how the internet works would obviously understand that once the IP of the Server was logged (very easy to do... simple whois.) you would now have a geographical area and service providers address who has the clients name and address.

That's just what I could do, and obviously the Police and Military have far superior data techniques than the general public.

This is what I mean by Conspiracy theory... you take things and twist them out of all proportion... beyond even the limits of reality.

And, um why are we talking about Muslims yet again?

The Norway Terrorist was not a Muslim, He was a white European with a Christian background.

Cho Seung Hui, Virginia Tech, he wasn't a Muslim either come to think of it.

Neither was the Unabomber... Or McVeigh... hmmm

Istanbul_Chick, thank you.

Yes, I think you're right. There's something more going on.

I've had kind of a lot of experiences I would call "spiritual." I'd call them that not on some philosophical basis, but because it seemed to me they directly revealed themselves as spiritual (or non-physical). Okay, cue Twilight Zone music for a second. Okay, enough. Now, I was raised as an atheist/agnostic. So spiritual life to me is based on experience and thinking more than on any beliefs I was raised with. Thus when religion comes up in discussion, if I say anything I try to say it in a way that is based on experience and thinking rather than on belief, so that an atheist or agnostic might consider there could be something more than blind dogma to religion. The traditions to which I feel strongest connection are Judaism (as a sort of beloved tribal feeling with Jews, Jewish culture, and my father's side of my family) and Christianity (as love for my mother's side of the family, and for some Christian forms of theological speculation and hope).

Thomas Merton has sometimes written about love in such a way that one can see he is describing an inherently non-physical experience (though it can be embodied in physical forms).

To really see the world of spiritual beings seems to require a great deal more, including learning to think in images. But I digress far from the topic of this thread...

"Shumukh-al-Islam website"

Huh? I never mentioned that website. You must have meant to direct that reply to someone else, Caesar1.

However, I think I did respond to you somewhere on the thread. You could reply to that.

"The Norway Terrorist was not a Muslim, He was a white European with a Christian background. Cho Seung Hui, Virginia Tech, he wasn't a Muslim either come to think of it. Neither was the Unabomber... Or McVeigh... hmmm"

What is your point, Caesar1?

None of the things you said exonerate the countless fanatical Muslims that commit countless rapes, violence, and murders in the name of Islam. None of the things you said exonerate Islam itself from all the rapes, violence, murders and deceit that it proudly promotes and encourages all Muslims to follow.

Furthermore, none of the things you said prove that Christianity promotes violence, or that mainline Christians condone, let alone promote, violence.

Thanks & best regards to you George.

"You are aware that this website doesn't even exist right? In fact It doesn't even exist in the Web Archive."

http://www.shamikh1.info/vb/

Try again, "asshole."

The VT killer had quranic versus plastered in ink all over his arms. He at least had a "fascination" with islam. So he MUST be a mohammadan.

You so proudly crowed earlier that Breivik MUST be a Christian because he had a "fascination" with Templars. Two can play that game.

So, you've touted out THREE terrorists in the past 16-20 years whom only YOU claim are Die hard extremist Christians. You've still yet to prove that McVeigh claimed what he did he did for his god and motivated by his god's earthly doctrines.

And that is equivalent to the 100's of terrorists attacks by god knows how many muslim terrorists in the past 6 months alone?

Do you ever listen to yourself?

Regarding Shimikh al Islam site it is a real site, the reason you can't identify it is because you don't know how the internet works, just because you use the internet doesn't mean you know how it works.

Below are relating videos linking to the website and are various pdf files relating various information on Islamic affairs.

http://www.jihadica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/7-21-08-shamikh-recruitment-brigade-and-list-of-forums-for-dawa.pdf

http://www.jihadica.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1-6-09-shamikh-zawahiri-on-gaza.pdf

http://www.jihadica.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/11-17-08-shamikh-debate-over-status-of-sayyid-imam-revisions.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZaGsxsTZeE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFF_kCN94AY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8sRzSkaWA

http://www.youtube.com/user/shamikh005

I'm sure you'll dismiss these as "Zionist, Freemason, Jewish, Knights Templar, CIA, FBI, NSA, Neburi, 2012, Nostradamus, Global Warming, Crusader" conspiracy against Islam and Muslims.

What a sad sac you are.

"They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater." (Qur'an 3:118)

Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar lal ilah al-hamd!

On any other point you have proven to be 1. ignorant, 2. refuted or 3. a bunch of crap (especially with regards to your usage of the Knights Templar) also, with regards to your ignorant Jahil saying of the idea that the Arabs had a great civilization before Islam is ridiculous, there wasn't even an historical rendition of them until Islam came. So don't state things you have no idea about, on Christians you are a bigot and on this blog you are a total waste of time.

{يا أيها الذين آمنوا إن تنصروا الله ينصركم ويثبت أقدامكم والذين كفروا فتعسا لهم وأضل أعمالهم ذلك بأنهم كرهوا ما أنزل الله فأحبط أعمالهم أفلم يسيروا في الأرض فينظروا كيف كان عاقبة الذين من قبلهم دمر الله عليهم وللكافرين أمثالها ذلك بأن الله مولى الذين آمنوا وأن الكافرين لا مولى لهم }

"O you who have believed, if you support Allah , He will support you and plant firmly your feet. But those who disbelieve - for them is misery, and He will waste their deeds. That is because they disliked what Allah revealed, so He rendered worthless their deeds. Have they not traveled through the land and seen how was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed [everything] over them, and for the disbelievers is something comparable. That is because Allah is the protector of those who have believed and because the disbelievers have no protector."

Truthiocity, that list of some of the people self-censoring, etc. in response to Islamic death threats can be found and linked to here:

http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/are-lights-going-out.html

Is that the sort of link you had in mind?

I'll try to update that list periodically...

I just might take you up on that one of these days as long as it's a tall, cold brewski. :D

UnidHali, Nice quote of Qur'an 59:2 there.

Jihad Watchers, sounds like we have here an Arabic speaking ally who knows the Qur'an well. Woo hoo!

"To really see the world of spiritual beings seems to require a great deal more, including learning to think in images."

I too have had experiences that I've filed away as "not yet explained or understood."

I had a friend who was a counselor and she sometimes used a therapy that was developed for Vietnam soldiers suffering from PTSD. She was explaining it to me, how it works, how it's used and the benefits of it. One of the keys to using it effectively was to visualize the words, then sounds (just tones alternating from left ear to right) that the patient was hearing.

I begged her to let me try it.

It was the most real, most profound, self reflecting experience I have ever had in my life. I had never had such a vivid day dream and I could not tell if the dream was guiding me or if I was guiding it.

Visualization rocks.

"In closing I would like to bring up a passage of the Qur'an in regards to you Jahil Kafirs who know nothing about Islam and are aiding the Islamic Movement to establish itself to cut your necks."

RARRRR!

Go get 'em, Tiger!

Sounds pretty rockin'.

"In closing I would like to bring up a passage of the Qur'an in regards to you Jahil Kafirs who know nothing about Islam and are aiding the Islamic Movement to establish itself to cut your necks."

I liked that line a lot too. Sounds like the tiger has been part of Arab and Islamic culture...

It's funny to me that when a Muslim is involved, right away you blame the religion, yet when your faith is involved you poo-poo it.

This man was according to the Police a fundamentalist Christian, reasons? He wrote in his manifesto not only his plans to reform the protestant faiths but even claimed to be part of what most people, including him, consider to be a Christian order. Knights Templar.

The Knights Templar are the very essence of 'Holy War' - They are the Christian equivalent of what Al-Qaeda says they do.

Lol you religious folks are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet. That goes for all of you but especially those members of the big 3 - Christianity, Islam, Judaism.

The hell it isn't. It is because libtards like you have pushed and pushed for "hate crimes" for "insulting" religion. One religion. islam. And one group of people: mohammdans.

That's nonsense. The oraganization that pushed for Hate Crimes legislation was the ADL. That's a legislative fact.

If you visit their website they even have courses and classes for Police officers.

If you have a problem with Hate Crime legislation take it up with those that drafted most of it, the ADL.

No it doesn't exist because I've checked the web archive and the registrars. There has never been a site named that and I do not take another conspiracy site 'jihadica?' - as a source.

I will however accept a cited Wikipedia article. However even Wikipedia doesn't have any page about it. You know why? Because it cannot be cited because it does not exist!

You conspiracy theory people are quirky.

Use your common sense.

1. Why can't you search this supposed site on Google?
2. Why is it not on Wikipedia? (Because it can't be cited.)
3. Do you think the United States Government is oblivious to how the Internet works?

Duh.

Dear possible Tourette Syndrome sufferer: you might have a look at these articles.

Part 1

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/10/psychopathology-of-terrorism.html

Part 2
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/11/psychopathology-of-terrorism-part-ii.html

Be forewarned, the above articles do not have pretty pictures or pop-up dioramas, so if you also suffer from Attention Deficit Syndrome you may have a problem wading through them.

Hell, I may as well just give you the finale of the article.

     Conclusion
A combination of cultural and social factors in Islam encourages the development of the many of traits inherent in the psychopathic or antisocial personality. The predominance of this personality pattern both fosters and feeds on phenomenon of terrorism and provides the cultural underpinnings that support its continuation.

Certainly psychopathy does develop in other settings and cultures. The point of this essay has been to highlight aspects of Islamic culture that contribute significantly to the developement of antisocial personalities. As we have discussed, two of the most prominent aspects are (1) the Islamic ambivalence toward women and sexuality; and (2) the concept of external jihad.

Psychopaths exist within all cultures. What is different in Islam is that the content of its creed has given personal and societal sanction to psychopathy; and within this religious culture murder, torture, intimidation and brutality can be used with impunity. Not only are the adherents safe from censure, they are actually lauded and celebrated as heroes.

Sooo, Dr. Sanity sure thinks that psychopathy is suitable in this case. I guess she should have consulted with you first. If she had, I'm sure she could have helped you with your possible neurological problems.

Sooo, when your seizures, are over, maybe you should apologize to Istanbul_Chick

Getting back to your Tourette Syndrome problem, please note that most cases, do not require pharmacological intervention. The most you are likely to suffer from this disability is being laughed at by those around you. Please understand that the vast majority of laughter will be sympathetic not derisive. That will not be the case at Jihad Watch however. Sorry about that. That is just how life goes.

Now there still may be hope for you through a frontal lobotomy although based on the evidence of your posts at Jihad Watch I suspect you've already gone that route without any benefit.

Not to worry, you still qualify to be a clown at a circus. Kids love circus clowns that spew uncontrollable expletives and nonsense. They will give you plenty of company and plenty of intellectually compatible companionship.

Just think, you will be able to turn you disability into something that is socially useful. Go for it!

Thanks I will..I feel like I have been blind to the jihad. Passive,ignorant and misinformed by the media as to what is going on. (Though my vibes have been nudging me for a while.) I have spent the last couple of days researching and it has taken me on an eye opening journey. From here to barenakedislam, Charlene Downes,Bradford babies with genetic defects,BNP(!) across the world and back..and still nothing I have read about counter jihad is an excuse for the Norwegian attacks. Personally, I would be more likely to be looking into Breivik's early upbringing ,his relationship with his parents,his obvious narcisstic/sociopathic traits, freemasonary, use of pc games and steriods than attacking JW. But I guess that wouldnt sell as many newspapers, generate enough fear and give the public the easy answer fall guy as the stereotypical fundalmentalist, right wing Chritian fanatic would it.

Oh Dear, Dear, Dear! What are we to do with this hash you've made of things?

Wasn't it just yesterday that you were dismissing the Templars as mere bankers and buggers? Have you bothered to look into the historical context of their formation? But what we see here now is you hopping about claiming that the Templars were simply the opposite number of al-Qaeda! Quelle surprise!

Would you be so good as to provide us with verifiable references that describe the Knights Templar as deliberately targeting unarmed innocents, as well as the background context? That way we can see just how apropos Breivik's self-styling as a Templar is, as well as your assertion that they were as group no different than al-Qaeda. I haven't found such a reference yet and would be most grateful to have one. And it would do ever so much to increase your credibility here, if not your comic impact. :D

Yes, the number has been artificially jacked up by trolls, but the majority of posters have been replying to, and defending from, the nauseating msm drivel against Mr Spencer, Ms Geller, and other anti-islamist writers, and doing it very ably, too !

So many of the erudite, sharp, and impassioned people on this site have slapped down the moral equivalency morons, it has been a pleasure to read, and I've learned a great deal from it. Istanbul Chick in particular did a brilliant job of slapping around that silly creature caesar1 - talk about having no leg to stand on ! It was an education, so many thanks I-C !

Tommy Robinson of the EDL has been interviewed by Paxman on BBC Radio, being accused of exactly the same c***, ie: because Breivik mentioned the EDL (once, I think !) in his deranged monologue, therefore the EDL is 'morally responsible' for Breivik's murder spree. Tommy, I think, did an excellent job, and didn't let Paxman get away with twisting anything, and didn't let Paxman intimidate him, either. (Paxman is notorious for this). If I knew how to do it, I'd post the link on here. Maybe if you google BBC Radio ?

Anyway, thanks again, to Istanbul Chick, Wellington, traeh, katharina, and all the others who did such a devastating, entertaining, and educational demolition derby of the trolls - it was brill !

I'm coming late to this troll-infested thread, but here are a few points.

Caesar1 wrote:

Of course he doesn't say it verbatim, but how else does he expect to solve the Muslim problem? The only way to solve the Muslim problem is to eliminate the religion and therefore the Islamic people, nay?
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**Nay**. This grotesque moral equivalence is all too frequently used. *Pointing out* savagery on the part of Islam is *not* the same as calling for violence against Muslims. This conflation is utterly false.

More:

Week after that an Orthodox Jew will ban females from some settlement, or perhaps behead another dog. -- That actually happened go check google news.

You're all bonkers.
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"Caesar" is either being deliberately meretricious here, or else he is extraordinarily sloppy. I presume he is referring to the story about the Rabbinical court that sentenced a dog to be stoned to death (which he confused with another frequent form of Muslim barbarism, beheading).

This story is *a hoax*, and has long since been disproven. This, from Time Magazine:

"Shocking Sentence: Story Claiming Jewish Court Condemned Dog To Death by Stoning Proven a Hoax"

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/06/18/shocking-sentence-jewish-court-condemns-dog-to-death-by-stoning/

More:

You are aware that I'm not Muslim or Arab, right?

But besides that, you have no problem with Terrorism as long as the perpetrator is not Muslim? I mean, I see no condemnation of what he did.

He killed 60 children folks, 60 kids.

No excuse.
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Please note, it was those posting at Jihad web sites that gloated over this savage act of terrorism, and at least one Jihad group claimed responsibility for the attack.

Whereas, everything I have read on anti-Jihad sites—both before *and after* the terrorist was identified—have condemned his vile actions.

Yet more:

Upwards of 100,000 Americans died in WW2. They remained rational and sane.

In total 60 million + died in WW2 and yet Americans kept their sanity.

3000 die and you go off into witch hunt mode? Why? Are you that scared of life?
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Good to now that while you chide people here for supposedly failing to adequately condemn the horrific Norway attacks, that you don't believe that 9/11 was a big deal.

Re: WWII, I suppose you would consider declaring war on Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbor to be a "witch hunt" as well. After all, "only" 2,403 Americans died at Pearl Harbor.

More and more:

I thought Jesus was about faith and good works? The last 2 hours one of you could have went out and bought a burger, or coffee for a homeless man, or even talk to him or her you know to bring good into someones life, but nope.
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Well, let's see. I volunteer at a soup kitchen, am involved with putting together backpacks filled with school supplies for poor kids, donate to a number of causes fairly regularly, give blood on a regular basis, and used to teach adult literacy.

Westerners in general, and Americans in particular, are the most generous people on earth.

For me, educating people about the terrible threat of Jihad—to its victims, to our freedoms, to our way of life—is very much a piece with other work with my fellow man.

And what are *you* doing? Making it more difficult to stand against Jihad, and slandering those who stand against evil. You must be very proud! sarc/off

I volunteer at a soup kitchen, am involved with putting together backpacks filled with school supplies for poor kids, donate to a number of causes fairly regularly, give blood on a regular basis, and used to teach adult literacy.

Once again, your comments are precise and well-written. Not even considering your sharp, insightful posts, you are one of the best writers on JW for your language alone. Since you taught adult literacy, I think Caesar1 could use some help; to wit: "The last 2 hours one of you could have went out and bought a burger, or coffee for a homeless man, or even talk to him or her you know to bring good into someones life, but nope [ ]" [sic].

Have went ? I suppose a homeless man of wavering gender could use, you know, a cup of coffee. The caffeine may help him decide upon a gender; and perhaps leave him some time to consider the good brought into that someones [sic] life - whoever that someone may be.

Not only is Caesar1's post irrelevant, but it is very poorly expressed. He seems to have trouble with punctuation, register, pronouns, co-ordination, forming the possessive, and using the perfect tense with the subjunctive. (This country really ought to consider re-introducing Latin into the schools. English usage would improve.)

You can't be blamed though, if you decline to help. I think Mr. Caesar1 is beyond any aid. He may be trainable in some way, but I don't think he is educable; and therefore, true literacy for him, is out.

I'm for sending the teachers of his school system back to grammar camp.

I'd like to second, classicus, your praise of gravenimage. She is one of the very finest regular commenters here at JW. I have profited from reading her very literate posts many times over. She is possessed of far more wisdom than any Muslim (or most non-Muslims for that matter) I have ever encountered in history or in current print or speech. I respect her a lot.

I'd also like to second your suggestion of re-introducing Latin into virtually every school curriculum in America. The decline in the understanding of the English language by the young began just about the time modern educators foolishly removed Latin from the schools. The two are definitely related. Speaking personally, I probably learned more about the English language from studying Latin than from any other academic effort I engaged in.

Hope you are doing well. My best to you and yours as always.

Classicus and Wellington, thank you for your very kind words.

I agree with your assessment of Caesar1's mangling of the English language, Classicus—but that appears to be the least of his failings, so I didn't believe it warranted mention.

My husband did study Latin in high school—alas, I did not. I did study German, however, in high school and at university—also useful for studying the history of the English language. For instance, this means that I can read Old- and Middle English while rarely needing to refer to a dictionary. I would very much like to study Latin some day, though.

Besides weathering the awful calumnies falling on the heads of all anti-Jihadists right now, I hope you both are well.

As Robert Spencer says, it is time to take back the anti-Jihad movement.

"I'd also like to second your suggestion of re-introducing Latin into virtually every school curriculum in America."

Hear, hear. Along these same lines, I have long recommended to my colleagues in science (much to their amusement, I should add) that Latin should be adopted as the international language of science. At one time it was, but gradually fell into disuse. It would be an inconvenience for native English speakers, but would be a boon for non-English speakers who struggle with the spelling and syntax irregularities of English (as we often see with some of the posters here).

Again along the same lines, I wonder if the Catholic Church could benefit from reintroducing Latin into its liturgy? My reasons for considering this have nothing to do with theology, rather that such a measure would expose Latin to a billion or so Roman Catholics around the world, and thus would speed its adoption into other fields, like science.

Thank you so much for the page! It will be a great resource.

"Adopting Latin could reinforce the unity of the West's heritage, making Westerners stronger in their understanding of the West's past and more aware of what their own culture is profoundly different from - Islamic culture for instance."

Indeed. There are many benefits to be gained by adopting Latin as the international language of discourse in any number of fields, not just in science. Of course, it would be resisted by Muslims, who have in Arabic their own preferred "international language," who further regard it literally as the actual language of God, and who in any case would likely consider Latin as being the language of the hated Christian Crusaders. All the more reason to push for it, in my opinion, as it would help sharpen the distinction between the rational West and irrational Islam, as you pointed out.

"Whether a scientist knows it in Latin or not, every good scientist knows, "Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas" (Fortunate is he who is able to know the [hidden] causes of things)."

Right again. The desire "to know the causes of things" seems to be in the DNA of not only good or great scientists, but even mediocre ones, as well. Science is certainly not the path pursued by anyone not so endowed. Success seems to be correlated with a coupling of insatiable curiosity to an ability to operate comfortably in the rarefied atmosphere of the abstract, such as in higher mathematics. Clearly not everyone's cup of tea.