Particularly in an attack of such magnitude, the suspicion of involvement by al-Qaeda or a similar group was eminently reasonable: the majority of the terrorist attacks and counter-terror arrests in Europe in recent years have involved jihadist operations. The bomb was comparable not only to the Oklahoma City bomb, but also to those used in embassy bombings in Tanzania and Nairobi. The use of multiple attacks and a focus on symbolic targets are an al-Qaeda trademark, and deceit through the impersonation of military personnel or law enforcement has been a standard operating procedure particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq. Finally, a jihadist group did briefly claim credit, and that was newsworthy to report. When that fell through, it was also promptly reported.
But there is one other noteworthy angle to the period in which the attack was plausibly speculated to be the work of jihadists: When people thought it was Muslims, the rationalization mill went into overdrive. Comments sections on news reports were riddled with pleas and demands to consider "underlying causes," such as Norway's involvement in campaigns in Afghanistan and Libya that have resulted in the loss of Muslim lives. The implication was that Norway had done it to itself for its treatment of Muslims, and for allying itself with America.
By contrast, no one on whose behalf the bastard Breivik claimed to act has engaged in a comparable defense of or deflection of the blame for his crimes. There was no victim-hood narrative to act as an obstacle to condemning him and his actions properly and unequivocally. "Arab world outraged by Norway attack allegations," by Roee Nahmias for YNet News, July 24:
Less than two days after the fact, everybody knows who carried out the shocking massacre that took place in Norway onFriday: Anders Behring Breivik, a Norwegian driven by extremist right-wing ideology. But before Breivik's apprehension, the local and international media alluded to an extremist Islamists link for the double attack on Oslo and Utoya island – triggering the rage of many Arabs and Muslims worldwide.
The London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat claimed Norway feared Islamist operatives much more than rightist extremists despite a significant growth of such groups in 2010. Another London-based international Arabic publication, Al-Hayat, added that the attacks were perpetrated by a Christian extremist who deplored Islam and Europe's cultural pluralism.
Meanwhile, a short time after news of the attack spread, many Arab and Muslim web surfers claimed that it was Israel who was responsible: "A criminal operation of this magnitude is not carried out without the support and planning of a terrorist state, which stakes out opportunities to shuffle the deck. It is the Zionist state, in collaboration with the extremist Zionist Christians, that wants to hurt Islam in its allie, Norway," a surfer named Omar Ali commented on Al Jazeera's website. "It's not al-Qaeda. The Zionists carried out the attack to punish Norway for supporting Gaza."
Mossad behind operation'
Another web user accused the Israeli secret service for the attack, and explained why: "Before Europe and the US rush to blame us for terrorism, know that the body behind this operation is none other than the Mossad. And why the Mossad? Because Norway recognized the Palestinian state two days ago, and what does it mean when a gas- and oil-rich nation like Norway supports the Palestinians? Israel would never allow it."
A third commentator said that it was clear to him that an intelligence agency, like the Mossad or the CIA – was behind the attack. Yet another surfer, from Jordan, accused the US, adding that "as usual, the American intelligence is pressing Norway to declare that Muslims carried out the bombing."
Another theory attributed the act of terror to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, in light of his threats to retaliate against the NATO strikes. Others yet blamed the Syrian regime for trying to divert attention from what is going on in their country.
Shortly after the extent of the tragedy became known, the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which counts 58 nations among its members, released a statement condemning the event, calling it a "terrorist attack."
The OIC and other Muslim groups were probably just as likely gearing up for damage control on the same suspicion of jihadist involvement before word emerged of a non-Muslim attacker, just as Muslims were strategizing online for a so-called "sh*t-storm" they anticipated in the media in the event that the Virginia Tech shooter had turned out to be Muslim.
Maybe if they get 'insulted' enough, they'll go home? No, the world couldn't be that lucky.
Whatever, right-wing, left-wing, Christian, anything, it would not have happened if not for Muslim immigration. We can expect more trouble. Did the powers that be think the Islamisation of Europe was going to be a piece of cake? That a backlash was inconceivable? That Europeans would simply move aside and let their country be overtaken without a squeak?
The London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat claimed Norway feared Islamist operatives much more than rightist extremists
It wouldn't be London-based if I had my way. They'd be sent back to Saudi Arabia where they belong.
Wait a minute... I thought a Jihad group actually confessed to the massacre?
It turns out they were lying. But this fake confession fully explains why people thought about blaming the Jihadi.
PJG, I actually think Anders Behring Breivik would have done his dirty work regardless of anything else happening in Europe. In every culture, at every time, there have been a small number of dangerous criminals.
The issue with the Jihadi is not that they are the only criminals. Of course they are not. It's simply that Islam breeds a disproportionate number of criminals. And Jihad is the form of crime with which we are dealing here.
Oh my gosh, what a surprice the arabs are offended, again?
There is an interesting detail about the oslo shooting revealed now:
the socialist youth in the camp held a rally against Irasel, the had plakats which called for the boycott of Israel and its products. In light of that, they saw the shoter and THOUGHT he is part of a roleplay to show the socialist youth how cruel and evil the IDF and israeli sorldiers really are.
Since they though it was a roleplay they of course were not scared and did NOT instictly ran away, but stood there and watched, until they finally ralized that is was NOT a fake pal-theather and ppl are really dying, ergo the hate of israel makes ppl very very stupid and actually was the reason for the high body count.
I am not laughing at the victims, but I want that ppl see who stupid ppl can get when it comes to brainwashing propaganda of the leftist or any other destructive ideology.
I wonder if that revealed truth is being discussed in the media, but being realistic I doubt it very much, the media is way too busy to contruct a christian connection into the oslo attack, but I might be wrong.
BTW here is thr source:
http://www.israelnetz.com/themen/nachrichten/artikel-nachrichten/datum/2011/07/24/oslo-simulation-der-graeuel-israels/
This morning the BBC are using the occasion to attack vile Islamophobes who would suggest that such an attack is typical of Muslim radicals. The Left are also using the occasion to accuse the EDL in the UK of having links with the Norwegian right-wing which they have denied.
A reaction by the Norwegian government is likely to include an investigation into the activities of the anti-immigration and anti-Islam groups there. These groups consist of ordinary people who are dismayed at their governments pro-Muslim stance and their continued failure to recognise the threat to their culture and nationhood by creeping Islam not just in their country but throughout Europe as well.
The Muslims and dhimmis will use this abominable crime to attempt to shut down all criticism of Islam by equating the Orwellian thoughtcrime of 'Islamophobia' with active support for 'right-wing' terrorism.
Since the subject of Islamic terrorism will remain deliberately muddied by leftwing moral equvalence for some time to come, we counterjihadists need to increase our emphasis on educating the public about all the the other evil and destructive effects of Islam on our cultures, as described in this comprehensive list of counterjihadist resources.
Thanks for the link, Sean. I'll certainly pass it on.
I am still reeling from shock because it appears to be a terrorist style attack NOT perpetrated by muslims. Sooner or later some leftie British newspaper will get around to
'finding' links with the British National Party or the English Defence League.
As someone has already pointed out, this would not have happened without multiculturalism and muslim invasion of Europe.
Delenda est Islam.
Yah, here comes the "islamophobia" rhetoric.
NYT posts on anti-jihadis today. Kind of objective, and they linked directly to JW. Hopefully any new visitors will see that we subject islam to the scrutiny due to an entity that has murdered its way out of the Hijaz for 1400 years. Some of us accept that there has been a body count of 300,000,000 innocents, since the jihad wave began. Further, we have nothing to do with clowns who source their ideology in the cult of "Odin."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha22&pagewanted=print
Business as usual. Outrages keep occuring and we keep providing objective commentary on same. It would be too bad if the Oslo-Incident resulted in extreme media deference to the either perpetrators of said outrages, or their defenders. I don't what type of bandwagon will roll out today; might not be pretty.
maybe that should read...(biased broad cresent)BBC-world "insulted" by suspicion of Islamic terrorism in Norway attack.
think about it
Whenever something major happens in the world, I look to their treatment of Israel. The God of Israel says that He will curse those who curse Israel and he is very swift. His word does not return void. When will people/countries connect the dots?
But Arabs blaming Israel and everyone else is A-okay...
Actually, using this line of thinking, then Norwegian Labour party did it to itself, by using the equivalent of stuffing the ballot box...importing thousands of sure votes to keep it in power...but they are too stupid to see that Islamists are merely using them until they turn a different kind of "rightwing" one day--Sharia Right.
Does Norway need fixing? Let's see...
If a nation has well working social and cultural institutions, one can hardly fault someone for wanting to preserve them; likewise, when a nation is highly dysfunctional, one can hardly fault someone for wanting to reform said institutions. But reverse the situation, when someone attempts to preserve dysfunctional institutions, or attempts to undermine what does not need fixing, and you have the making of a political crime. Chaos will result, including counter crimes.
In Norway, for many decades indicators are it has some of the best institutions in the world, leading to some of the highest standards of living, life expectancy, and education. Norway does not need correcting. Likewise, in Somalia, among other failed states, Islamists keep unforgiveable practices from being reformed. Somalia needs correcting.
Now, we know in Norway, some are attempting to radically change Norway’s institutions and culture, even so far as inviting in ideas and people from failed states to influence them. They, in other words, are engaging in evil, and now they have provoked terror upon themselves.
In Somalia, Islamists commit terror against those who wish to progress.
Both groups bring chaos and dysfunction, Norway’s progressives and Somalia’s Islamists both blame the opposition for the problems they created.
The left creates what it hates.
Breivik Is not a Christian, and he is not a far right, left or center extremist...He is a homicidal psychopath...'Killing is of little matter' to him...He is Hannibal Lechter because he can murder with no compassion and no remorse. Kuffar psychopathic killers have no religion or politics, but they may use them for a philosophical cover...Christianity does not encourage acting without conscious, or compassion, but Islam does...
Quran 24:1
"...guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
Let not compassion move you...Breivik was following Quran if he knew it or not...There are billions of Mahoundians who also follow it...They have no compassion for murdered kuffar either...Allah does not allow it...
"As someone has already pointed out, this would not have happened without multiculturalism and Muslim invasion of Europe"
Cause/Effect
For this to have happened the Muslim demographics must be approaching a saturation point. Has anyone been to Europe recently and seen for themselves?
There is no compassion in Islam and there is no conscience either. Islam deliberately sets out to destroy both these spiritual qualities by transforming human beings into clones of a ruthless pedophilic psychopath. That is why Islam is Satanic: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/islam-destroys-conscience.html
On a political TV show tonight (QandA) the Premier of Tasmania was mourning the death of the young Norwegians, "especially" as they were "left-wing and progressive". That was what she said. Because such lives are more precious than others.
Charming.
Rather awful to hear on the news some of the things Breivik said and who he admired. Similar to things I have said and people I admire.
These people and opinions will now be tainted as evil, and Muslims treated as even more dreadfully, unfairly maligned than ever before.
This attack will have done possibly irrevocable damage to the credibility of the counter-jihad movement.
Let's see; they praised it, claimed responsibility for it, celebrated it, and now they are insulted that the possibility was raised that Muslims may have done it.
I suppose the next comment to come will be from some leftard saying that it is Christians that commit all these terrorist attacks.
Here is an example when Ayaan Ali Hirsi was being interviewed by dhimmi leftard Tavis Smiley about a year ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH0YYic_JpY
"Breivik Is not a Christian, and he is not a far right, left or center extremist...He is a homicidal psychopath...'Killing is of little matter' to him...He is Hannibal Lechter because he can murder with no compassion and no remorse. Kuffar psychopathic killers have no religion or politics, but they may use them for a philosophical cover...Christianity does not encourage acting without conscious, or compassion, but Islam does..."
Breivik would be compared more or less with nazis from the WW 2 period as well as Hannibal Lechter. Whoever called him a Christian has not been doing their homework.
'Arab world "insulted" by suspicion of Islamic terrorism in Norway attacks'
Well, let's see...it's Monday and Muslims are insulted every minute of every day for some reason or other. Being blamed because some blonde guy shot up a bunch of kids is as good a reason as any.
"Arab world "insulted" by suspicion of Islamic terrorism in Norway attacks"
And in other news, the sun rose in the East yesterday morning, a cat was rescued from a tree in Brooklyn, and a baby soiled his nappies in London... Did I leave out anything?
Please.
When the chicken coups been raided by a fox 400 times its only natural to assume the fox is back for the 401st.
It was a obvious assumption.
If a criminal doesnt want to get fingers pointed at them for stealing, then maybe they should consider the idea that its time to stop the theft.
And the hilarious thing is...wasnt an islamic group claiming responsibility for this at first, then retracted?
If we didnt know who did it the islamic dogs would WANT us to think they did it.
Arab world "insulted" by suspicion of Islamic terrorism in Norway attacks
I'm insulted by Islam's insult to sacred humanity. I'm insulted by the idea of death for apostasy. I'm insulted by the notion that honor killings are honorable. I'm insulted that the Qu'ran says that God is the author of deceit. I'm insulted that people would take seriously the idea that God would create a person for no other purpose than to put him in hell. I'm insulted that according to Sharia law, women should be stoned to death for adultery and I'm insulted that the imams in Iran hang men suspected of homosexuality. I'm insulted by all the acts of terror by Muslims who insist that Islam is the truth. I'm insulted by Islam's denial of Christ's divinity. I'm insulted that Islam does not respect life.
Taqiya and Kitman in defense of the reprehensible Islam are insulting. The niggling, ridiculous little rules of Islam which direct everything from kitchen practice to toilet behavior are insulting - every single one.
I'm insulted by all of it, but I don't want to kill or harm any Muslims who don't agree with me.
Arab world insulted!
That's nothing to the deep shame and embarrassment they would feel if they realized that Islam is a Zionist invention cleverly crafted to ensnare the unwary, or the gullible.
It would be a smart move to ditch this cooked-up, micky mouse 'religion' and show these sneaky Zionists that the Arab world is too smart to be fooled by a self-appointed, so-called prophet who heard voices and had a predilection for little girls.
C'mon, it's so obvious! The Qur'an is choc-a-bloc with plagiarized texts, cut and pasted from Jewish, Bhuddist and goodness knows what other religious texts. Jeez, these Zionist schmucks have got a noive.
Long live the(smart)Arabs! :)
Well of course the Islamists are upset, and they have a perfect right to be.
This ignorant Nord of a kafir poached on their terroritory. The camp was obviously a Jihadi game preserve.
Worse, he bought up precious fertilizer that rightfully belonged to Norwegian jihadists. This has put a serious dent in their urban renewal plans for Oslo. It may be years, now, before they can turn this city into the Beirut of Europe.
Also, what gives Breivik the right to infringe on Islam's terrorism copyright?
Hell he broke the copyright so well even the Norwegian jihadists thought it was their work.
This will definitely require a court case in itself to settle whether or not Islam still has the sole copyright to terrorism. I'm hoping when the case is settled, the court sides with Islam.
I hope this poaching incident by Breivik doesn't lead to mass rioting by the Muslims throughout Europe. I guess if it did we couldn't fault them, after all, this is a serious violation of Islamic rights.
And to think that the first instinct of the Jihadi blogosphere was to crow when the bombs went off in Oslo!
Of course, there is a tie between the Norwegian shooter/bomber and his killing spree and Islam; the teachings of Islam most certainly do inspire exactly the type of criminally insane behavior exhibited by Breivik.
So it should not be at all surprising to anyone that people initially thought this attack was a Muslim jihadist terror attack. Nor do the Muslims - if they had the courage and honesty to admit what the Koran teaches - have any cause to feel insulted because the involvement of Islam was suspected.
Even the media was beginning to blame Islamic terrorists, - and who wouldn't given their history and religious fervor, and proven accounts of murder and terrorism?
I had initially assumed Islamic terrorists were to blame, but instead it was a fellow named Breivik, who admittedly explained he learned his tactics from Jihad terrorists.
One of the most striking aspects of this attack I never noticed too much until now is the concerted media view that when an Islamic terrorist attack is accomplished, the media generally blames and makes the attack look merely like, "another terrorist. Isolated. A small group. Or Deranged gunman. Dis-associated and concrete." Muslim terrorist attacks are not portrayed as connected, concerted or aligned in any way. Any ideological "whole" is (I think purposefully) never identified clearly.
However, when a "westerner" attacks and kills, it is the ideology that is immediately identified as "rightest, far right" His actions are related to his ideology directly by written phrases of his, etc. The westerners life from his childhood is then revealed and dissected. The media report becomes a smear campaign against any idea of freedom the killer may have had in his deranged mind, while "explaining the "motives" of the killer.
Horror is tied together as a package deal with freedom. Western terrorist acts are then exploited to suppress more than the terrorist act itself. Restricting freedom is decided in the form of greater internal policing. Totalitarian planners in the Middle East let out another belly laugh.
I obviously do not agree with the use of arbitrary force and do not condone it. Still look. The "motives" or ideology of Muslim terrorist killers are not scrutinized or identified deeply by North American politicians or by lame media.
If western politicians were to seriously scratch beneath the ideological surface of Muslim terrorists, they might find advancing Islamic totalitarianism.
Properly dealing with that, rather than suppressing our own citizens would require courage and action.
Oh, boo frickin" hoo, cry me a river, get out the violins. 17,457 islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11. When I hear substantial, sincere and numerous apologies for those as well as promises to stop all the supposed misunderstanders of islam from perpetrating anymore, I'll think about those fragile muzwim feewings, but not before.
"Our" government leaders (self-salesmen) already have committees studying the Qur'an etc; they know what's in it.
But how many, many times already, have they sent important issues out to committee, and then officially ignored THEIR OWN groups' findings?!
Talk won't work until the playing field has been leveled, and they see their own neighbours and native Citizens as being as big a PERSONAL threat to them as they do their Saudi masters.
Right now, both the carrot and the stick are ONLY in the moslem's hands.
They induce the fear (of having one's family decapitated in jihad) and greed (the Saudi's oil money bribes) for the libturd salesmen who we laughingly refer to as "our leaders."
All we have for self-defense are empty (if entirely factual) words.
Money (and fear) still talks, but empty words walk. Same-old.
I'm sorry it comes down to this but the liberals have already long-since proven that they literally will not listen to reason if and when the enemy of reason (the moslem jihadi) is the only one employing the carrot-and-stick binary of behavioural conditioning.
Liberals are counter-rational cowards, and mindless authoritarian Conformists; they: "Don't care who started it (or even if it started yet!) they only want it ALL to stop, so: SUBMIT!"
The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Simple enough?
We CAN attack in defense; it's perfectly moral and righteous to do so. Even Jesus said so.
You cannot pretend ALL attacks are cause-and-effect-free cases of: "Two wrongs don't make a right!" - because attacking in defense is completely morally different than attacking innocent others first.
When you attack first, then by definition, you are the predatory, criminal aggressor, and they are your innocent victims, there's no two ways about it.
Liberals are ENABLERS (by allowing and favoring immigration of the moslems IN STEAD of placid Hindus and civilized Chinese) and so are not only appeasers, but are in fact willing accessories to the ongoing global crime-gang of islam; being so directly in the enemy's employ, they ARE the enemy.
The Norwegian Crusader has a very simple manifesto:
"Dear cowardly government traitors: it's not only the moslems you need to fear and appease, as you import hundreds of thousands and millions of those "holy mobsters" into our countries every year, risking "only" everyone else's lives, for only your OWN, selfish, personal gains."
-The Native Citizens-
;-)
This horrible attack could be the first of many as Europeans begin to fight back against the tyranny of their left-wing 'leaders' and their importation of the enemies of civilization. Norway was about as close to perfect as a country could get and the liberals and commies just had to screw it up. They are obsessed with change or 'progress', which consists of destroying what it took centuries to create by polluting it with the ignorance, intolerance, ingratitude, and incompatible ideology of unassimilable muslim immigrants, forcing the natives to not only tolerate the intolerable, but to provide housing, food, and total support for the invading parasites with welfare benefits for their polygamous, incestuous 'families', while they helplessly watch their beautiful, ancient cities transformed into squalid ghettoes rampant with crime and teeming with filth.
The disgusting, corrupt propaganda machine for the Obama administration, the mainstream media, are now back on the militia kick, warning Americans to beware the right-wing, homegrown Christian terrorists who might strike anywhere, any time. They become bolder and more mendacious every day, shilling for evil islam and bashing Christians. Muslims weren't 'insulted' because the world immediately suspected their ilk of this attack; they were as shocked as everyone else to learn otherwise. Many were celebrating another great islamic 'victory' prematurely.
Islam is justifiably despised by most rational, civilized people and nobody, including the left-wing useful idiots in Europe and here, are going to change that. They all rattle on about 'democracy' when they are the most anti-democratic tyrants the putative free world has ever seen. If the people governed themselves as 'democracy' intended, muslims would not be invading the West and slowly destroying it. I expected the first major assault to be against the arrogant invaders but the multiculturalists have paved the way for civil war and I suppose this was the first salvo. It is a sad and senseless tragedy and I pity the families of the victims, but the fact that someone snapped and went on a rampage does not surprise me.
Even though Muslims in the rare Norway attack were not directly responsible this time for what happened - they are none the less indirectly responsible as a strike against the Islamism of Norway/Europe was the motive. Trying to mix Christianity and Islam in a society is just asking for a volatile explosion - just ask anyone in Nigeria...
Arab world "insulted" by suspicion of Islamic terrorism in Norway attacks
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**Screw them**.
It is notable that when the first reports of this vicious terrorist attack came out that Jihad sites were crowing over the carnage and at least one Jihad group actually "took credit" for the atrocity.
Whereas, posters on anti-Jihad sites—which had supposedly "inspired" this mass-murdering monster—were *horrified* by the bloodshed.
Compare and contrast.
Well stated, Susanp. It could very well be as you have stated, that this is the first salvo in the pushback by nationalists against what the multiculturalists have been doing to destroy Europe. As for me, I am hoping, admittedly without any evidence to back it up, that investigation will reveal that this was a brilliantly conceived operation by Leftists to discredit our movement. (See comments in http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/who-benefits-whos-behind-it.html ).
''Whereas, posters on anti-Jihad sites—which had supposedly "inspired" this mass-murdering monster—were *horrified* by the bloodshed.''
''Compare and contrast.''
Yes, indeed. Also compare and contrast anti-jihad sites with the leftist enabler sites, busily licking their lips, and clearly *delighted* that a white *putative* Christian has committed an atrocity. ( I don't believe he *is* a Christian).
The leftist enablers don't spend much time being horrified by the bloodshed - too busy, as you say, accusing anti-jihad sites of inspiring this creep.