Australia: Muslims break into house of convert to Islam and give him 40 lashes for drinking

Note that Ahmed Kilami doesn't deny that this is the Sharia punishment for those who drink alcohol. He just objects to the attackers' taking the law into their own hands. The law is clear: once Muhammad flogged a man forty times for drinking alcohol. "Intruders whip Silverwater man, 31, for drinking," from AAP, July 18 (thanks to all who sent this in):

A Sydney man who was held down on his bed and whipped up to 40 times by strangers had recently converted to Islam and was reportedly being punished for drinking.

The 31-year-old was asleep in his apartment in Silverwater, in Sydney's west, when he woke to find four bearded men in his bedroom about 1am (AEST) yesterday.

Three of the intruders restrained him on the bed while the fourth man used a cable to lash him 40 times.

The attack lasted about 30 minutes and left the man covered in welts, the Seven Network reported today.

The man reportedly told police he had only recently converted to Islam and that fundamental Wahabi Muslims were punishing him for having a few drinks with friends.

Members of Sydney's Muslim community have condemned the attack.

"This criminal act has no place in Islam. As Australian Muslims we are required to follow Australian law, not take the law into our own individual hands," Ahmed Kilami, from the Muslim Village, told the Seven Network.

"I hope these guys are caught and face the full force of the law."

The victim has moved out of his home but hopes what happens to him will not distort people's view of his adopted religion, the network said.

Of course. That would be the worst thing.

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Only under Islam-loving Leftie Labour Govt, this can happen! They've allowed Sharia laws to rule Australia - pathetic! The Lefties are evil as the Muslim fanatics - Hitler was an Islam-loving Socialist, don't ever forget that although Socialists would like us to forget!

The victim has moved out of his home but hopes what happens to him will not distort people's view of his adopted religion, the network said.

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Check and double check.

No, Ahmed Kilami, what happened to you doesn't distort my view of your adopted Islamic religion in the least.

To the contrary, what happened to you only clarifies my view that your new religion is every bit the danger I have come to expect.

Remember the case of Asia Bibi,the Pakistani Christian woman who can be killed at any moment for speaking against Islam(she did not)?Here is a bit on how she is doing,things seem a little bit better,but not much:

http://persecutedfourchrist.blogspot.com/2011/07/asia-bibis-case-still-on-hold-but.html

PLUS

Is Allah the "Best of Planners" as said in the Koran?

The way the verses are written Allah even tricks his own followers,including Muhammad during a battle,and when you think about it Allah is the one responsible for the creation of the resurrection belief,that is to say Christianity,a false religion for Islam

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/08/doubts-about-allah-in-the-koran-being-the-best-of-planners-and-that-his-idea-of-tricking-people-is-good/

Typical cowardly andy hypocritical convert.

Was punished under sharia but wants his punishers punished under Western law because in islam there is NO punishment for his punishment. What they did was allah the impotent sanctified and commanded.

You'll never find these loser converts moving en mass to crapistans to "educated" the bearded masses there how they're misunderstanding and "practicing incorrectly" the ideology of mein kuranmpf. They'd rather stay in the West and play the loser perpetual victim card.

I have limited sympathy for the doofus who failed to read the small print of the contract with Old Hobb that he signed when he embraced Islam. Still, the beating was perhaps the type of hint he might understand that his new religion has any number of unpleasant surprises in store for him. Regretably, this is the only way some people learn. Perhaps his family merits sympathy, given this guy's obvious lack of judgment.

But let the law be pursued vigorously now. Let the assailants be charged and tried. If found guilty, let them do serious jail time. And then, for the sake of public order, let any convicted of this crime perpetrated in the name of a foreign legal code be stripped of Australian citizenship or resident status and sent packing to the Moslem country of origin. If there is any question on this last point, let the default option be the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Immigration, citizenship and sedition all must be made election issues throughout the Western democracies.

The victim has moved out of his home but hopes what happens to him will not distort people's view of his adopted religion, the network said.

Ditto Emilie Green : this does disort my view of Islam, it merely illustrate what we already know, Islam is a brutal, barbaric, intolerant, hypocritical legal system designed to suppress any dissent to the authority of its ruling elite. To quote Dalek ibn Davros: "You will obey; exterminate; exterminate..."

Ahmed Kilami wasn't the convert, he's the spokesman from the 'Muslim Village'. He speak with forked tongue.

>"The victim has moved out of his home but hopes what happens to him will not distort people's view of his adopted religion, the network said.

Of course. That would be the worst thing."

Only clueless and brain dead convert to Islam. And even after 40 lashes by his coreligionists, he doesn't get it and is worried that this news does not distort the "view of his adopted religion". Ha.. what moron!!

Poor guy, he can't even get out now because converting to Islam is a one way street and if he leaves he will be killed by his fellow coreligionists!

>"The man reportedly told police he had only recently converted to Islam and that fundamental Wahabi Muslims were punishing him for having a few drinks with friends."


What are Wahabi Muslims doing in Australia. Were they recently imported from Saudi Arabia or Malaysia to keep the converts in line?

Will he testify against his attackers? Does he know them?
If the Australian Muslim community is so incensed by this act then let THEM turn in the attackers. Surely someone at their mosque knows who they are.

Unless the victim left his apartment door unlocked, his attackers should be facing charges of breaking and entering, aggravated assault and maybe conspiracy?
What hate crime laws are there in Australia?

Won't it be fun to see the Australian Muslim community rise up and denounce these illegal acts and cheer the police? (Fat chance!)

Has anything happened to his drinking buddies?.

Hollywood better not miss this, "Invasion of Bearded Muslim Body Whippers" a good sequel to body snatchers, eh?

@Ex-Sgt Brown, they were probably sensible enough not to have converted to Islam in the first place. And after seeing how their ex-drinking buddy has got his ass whooped, they are even less likely to "revert" now. What a great act of contra-da'awa that turned out to be, may all future converts to Islam be treated like this. That'll stem the flow (apart from sado-masochists of course).

Perhaps he was practicing taqqiya....how dare they blow his cover like this?

Serves him right.

Anyone foolish enough to convert to islam deserves what they get.

muslims attacking muslims....

Will it be treated as a 'hate crime'?

Hmmm...

That would be "Invasion of the Brain Snatchers"

The fool got exactly what he deserved.

The fool got exactly what he deserved.

It was the muslim way of saying "bottoms up".

@ Juliet
Ha, ha .....good one!

Forty lashes for drinking some beer?

Just wait until he sees the punishment for leaving islam.

Welcome to Islam, sucker!

The Islamic version of Al Anon.

To paraphrase an old commercial line: "The reverts check in, but they don't check out."

@Mike Ryan
"The reverts check in, but they don't check out."

Welcome to the Hotel Mis-informed-ya.

''Welcome to the Hotel Mis-informed-ya'' . .that was a classic Tziona! . .sung by The Vultures wasn't it? Think they wrote it in The Valley of the Dead.

Ladies and gentlemen. You have read the news story above.

Now, here is the very first version of the story that I came across a couple of days ago, in the ABC news online.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-17/man-lashed-in-home-invasion/2797864

It caught my attention - something about it, despite it being bleached of any real evidence to confirm my suspicions, said 'Muslims Were Here' - but given that I couldn't find anything definite, I filed it in my 'Australia' file in my 'world roundup' (of Jihad news) folder, and awaited developments. (My internet connection chose the last couple of days to become as slow as wet cement, thanks to a problem in the exchange that drastically impeded download speeds for all in our neighbourhood...I am only here now because the problem does, indeed, appear to have been fixed..touch wood).

And lo and behold, it seems my instinct was right. It *was* Muslims at work, enforcing sharia...

So.

Re-read the report Mr Spencer has reproduced for us at the top of this thread.

Then read what *I* read in the ABC news.

And, as Mr Hugh Fitzgerald, former teacher in this forum, used to say: Compare and Contrast.

Two of the people who did the whipping have been caught.

Here are a few updates.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-19/sharia-lashing-190711/2799862/?site=newcastle

This one tells us that one of the four Muslims who broke into the victim's home and assisted with the flogging, lives in **Auburn**. Surprise, surprise. Auburn. The most heavily islamised suburb in Sydney and possibly in Australia; a suburb where Australia's oldest Hindu temple has been peppered with rifle fire by Muslims, and where a Catholic Church frequented by Maronite Christians from Lebanon was *also* peppered with rifle fire at the time of the so-called 'Cronulla riots'.

An excerpt from the above link:" In the search for the other attackers, police say officers were assaulted by a 16-year-old boy during a search of another Auburn home.
The teenager has been ordered to face court next month charged with assault, resisting arrest and hindering police."

Is anyone here surprised?

More here:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/intruders-whip-silverwater-man-31-for-drinking/story-e6frf7jo-1226097105387

"The victim, a recent Islamic convert known only as Christian, told Auburn police he recognised the Wahabi Muslims from his local mosque.
They were punishing him for having a few drinks with friends, he told the Seven Network last night.
He said he was living in fear after the attack, which left him covered in welts."

'Wahhabi Muslims **from his local mosque**". Memo to the police and to the Federal Police and ASIO: interview this bloke. Get the name of the mosque. **SEARCH IT**. Bug it! If they feel free to flog people for having a few drinks, they may be enforcing *other* aspects of sharia...

The 'Muslim community' is of course in full damage control mode after this embarrassing episode has revealed a little of the dark underbelly of their Organisation:

Members of Sydney's Muslim community condemned the alleged assault.
"This criminal act has no place in Islam. (ROFLMAO - Anyone who knows about sharia knows that the flogging of this man was carried out in strict obedience to Sharia - dda). As Australian Muslims we are required to follow Australian law (yeah, suuue, for the moment, while you're still building up your numbers before the takeover...dda) not take the law into our own individual hands," said Ahmed Kilami, from the Muslim Village.

"I hope these guys are caught and face the full force of the law."

And another report which gives us the name of one of the group of what Nonie Darwish calls 'allah's Enforcers':

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/man-in-sydney-court-over-sharia-law-lashing/story-e6frg6nf-1226097639647


Man [that should be: 'Muslim man' - dda] in Sydney court over 'sharia law' lashing

(No scare quotes needed: this lashing was observing the strict letter of classical Islamic sharia, as Mr Spencer pointed out with his reference above).

"A SYDNEY [Muslim - dda] man has appeared in court accused of helping to whip a victim with a cable as part of a [Islamic - dda] religious punishment for drinking.

'Police prosecutors said Tolga Cifci had disregarded NSW laws to allegedly target the man because he had done “something against Islam” , but which was something many in the community did “all the time”.'

Nota bene - 'Tolga Cifci' (sounds like a Turkish Muslim or Bosniak Muslim name) "had disregarded NSW laws".

Exactly. He's a Muslim. *Only* sharia matters. *Only* sharia is real. All other law is so much man-made rubbish, to be disregarded if the Muslim thinks he can get away with so doing...

"Police prosecutor George Lolis said Mr Cifci's actions showed “a complete and utter disregard for the laws of this state” and carried a possible maximum prison sentence of 20 years."

Yes. "A complete and utter disregard for the laws of this state".

And not all Muslims may be so obviously contemptuous as Mr Cifci, but they are *all* taught - if they are good Muslims - to despise kafir law.

More from the article I've linked:

'Mr Cifci's solicitor, Tunc Ozen (I wonder if he's a Muslim or a non-Muslim? - dda) said his client was “a person of prior good character” and should be granted bail.
“He does not pose a threat to the community,” Mr Ozen said.

**He does not pose a threat to the community**???? !!!!

Let's think about that. **He broke into someone's house, together with a band of thugs. He took up a whip and whipped a man, forty times, for doing something that is not, under Australian law and custom, deemed to be either illegal or immoral.

The fact that he would do this in order to enforce *one* aspect of Sharia, tells me that he would impose *other* aspects of sharia if he thought he could get away with it, too. He is a sharia-pusher. And if he is a sharia-pusher, he is also Jihad-minded. He is a clear and present danger not only to slack Muslims such as his foolishly-converted-to-Islam victim, but also to every non-Muslim in Australia. He DOES pose 'a threat to the community'.

And if it were up to me, Mr Cifci and the gang who helped with the flogging would be on the first plane out, with one-way tickets, to Turkey or Albania or wherever else it is that they or their parents came from; and their Australian citizenship would be...CANCELLED.

'

Further note. Google around this story: in assorted updates it is covered by a number of different Australian news outlets. Some are permitting reader comments. Find those which are open for comment, and do some Educating.

Update:- not all muslims have condemned the attack. On the 6.30 report { a local current affairs program} patrick siddiqu conlon, a local and outspoken advocate of sharia law and all things islamic, stated that the victim should have gotten 80 lashes. - He has also stated his total hatred for democracy and the west.
conlon's views are totally in keeping with the islamic principles being implemented in England and Europe. The local islamic community publically says that he does not speak for them, but privately applaud him.

Hi Chantillon. You said But let the law be pursued vigorously now. Let the assailants be charged and tried. If found guilty, let them do serious jail time.

I'm wondering if our justice system is going about this all wrong. Our current punishments are designed to address crimes created by people from our society and our way of thinking.

Prison to us is essentially 'the figurative theft of life' through incarceration. The loss of freedom combined with incarceration is a painful thought to us (theoretically) so, it acts as a deterrent.

Now we are dealing with people who come from a society in which there is no freedom. Essentially, they are already in a prison of their own making through their religion.

Incarceration and 'figurative theft of life' therefore offers no threat to a Muslim. It won't play a role in reducing the likelihood of his committing a crime in the name of his god. What possible fear does 'figurative theft of life' hold for someone who believes in the 'literal theft of life' by his god through jihad?

Even worse, some of these miscreants may view jail time as a badge of honour proving they served their god. I'm not saying that going to jail is an enticement to potential Muslim criminals only that it might not be a deterrent to them.

One thing we do know about Muslims (males at least) is that their pride and honour mean a lot to them. Shame is something they won't or can't accept.

Sooo, I wonder if it would makes sense in their sentencing to bring back the pillory. The device used in Medieval times and later to punish crime by shame and dishonour.

This punishment offered no danger or physical pain to the micreant but it allowed public onlookers to further humiliate and shame him by pelting him with rotten tomatoes, offal, dung or other soft but disgusting objects.

I think a Muslim male contemplating a crime, as in our story, might think twice if he knew he was going to jail if caught and convicted but also he would be pilloried in a public square for 3 days where he would be totally and absolutely humiliated.

I also think the knowledge that his punishment would be filmed and uploaded to YouTube as a permanent public record of his subjugation by and submission to Western law; would be an even greater deterrent.

New South Wales police comissioner Andrew Scipione:

"when it comes to Sharia law in Australia, IVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR SHARIA LAW IN AUSTRALIA" that's it, full stop.

onya mate. he grew up in the same area i did.

New South Wales police comissioner Andrew Scipione:

"when it comes to Sharia law in Australia, IVE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR SHARIA LAW IN AUSTRALIA" that's it, full stop.

he just said this on the morning news.

onya mate. he grew up in the same area i did.

Very interesting Peter. .and fair_dinkum I bet Andrew Scipione would agree to the good sense of that idea too!

Re. Mr Scipione:


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/there-is-no-place-here-for-sharia-says-scipione-20110719-1hnc0.html


'There is no place here for sharia, says Scipione'

(Most of the article however is a predictably dhimmified puff piece).

And here's an update on the story, including the name (Wassim Fayad) and photo of the Head Thug or Chief Sharia-Enforcer (he looks to be a nasty piece of work indeed) - who turns out to be, indeed, jihad-minded.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-accused-of-sharia-assault-called-bin-laden-soldier-of-god-20110720-1hp0n.html

Man accused of sharia assault called bin Laden 'soldier of God'

Nota bene - he works at the 'Bukhari House bookshop'.

That is, in Auburn there is an Islamic bookshop named after one of the deemed-most-authoritative Hadith collections.

I bet that what Mr Fayyad **doesn't** know about classical sharia could be written on the back of a five-cent piece.

Hi DDA. As usual, thanx for the links.

Regarding the second article you sent; did you notice something odd about it, namely that Fayad is described as a follower of the controversial Sydney-born imam Sheikh Feiz Mohammad and a regular attendee of the prayer hall attached to the bookshop; yet the reporters don't seem to have contacted the good Sheikh for his authoritative response on the matter?

I think it is no small coincidence that SFM's has returned to Australia and an act of Sharia law appears 'out of the blue'.

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/06/18/sydney-hate-preacher-sheikh-feiz-mohammad-is-back-preaching-true-islam/


One of the first things these reporters (Rachael Olding & Kelly Burke) should have done was get Sheikh Feiz Mohammad on record regarding the story. If he refused to respond, or refused to acknowledge the press, that would be indicative that he has something to hide. After all, this guy is not known for being sheepish about making outrageous public statements.

Obviously, any evasion on his part would have no bearing in a court of law, but it might convince a newspaper editor that there is merit in investigating this angle further. If the editor assigned good forensic reporters to pursue this angle, something important might evolve from the investigation.


Why didn't the reporters go to the bookshop to troll for patrons to get their opinion. Maybe one of them, if they talked, would let something out that might shed a little more light on the story.

Maybe they did but got nowhere; just like the TV reporter shown in the TV news story at sheikyermami's site. If so, that would be a pretty important part of the story in itself and should have been reported.

Certainly, the debt issue they reported, was a specious bit of reporting. It almost had the ring of News of the World articles where something was inserted into the story with no foundation.


In the 'We're not in Kansas anymore Toto' category.

What is an Australian doing with Budweiser beer? Is Martinez crazy? He lives in a country full of all sorts of great Australian beer, and he goes for Bud? If the facts in the news story didn't prove otherwise, I would have thought this whole thing was punishment by the Beer Illuminati of Australia.

In the 'Be careful of what you ask for' category.

The leader of the Lakemba Mosque, Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly, called for the alleged attackers to be ''assessed for a mental disorder'' and if found guilty to be deported.

Isn't that a tautology on the part of the Sheikh? I would think that being a member of Islam would be automatic proof of a mental disorder.

I suspect what is on this Sheikh's mind has nothing to do with proving that he has an affinity for Western justice. He probably thinks it's time for Mr. Fayad to go out and do some Jihad and a jail term would interfere with that.

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