To review: he obtained conscientious objector status against being deployed to Iraq after saying "his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting." But he was willing and able to travel to Texas to attempt to pick up where Nidal Malik Hasan left off and slaughter more soldiers at Fort Hood.
An update on this story. "Army: AWOL Fort Campbell soldier admits plotting Fort Hood attack," from the Associated Press, July 28:
An AWOL soldier who had weapons stashed in a motel room near Fort Hood admitted planning an attack on the Texas post, where 13 people died in 2009 in the worst mass shooting ever on a U.S. military installation, the Army said in an alert issued Thursday.
Double standards abound in the vague, hands-off treatment of the suspect's identity in the headline and opening paragraph.
Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 21-year-old soldier who was granted conscientious objector status this year after he said his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting, was arrested Wednesday. Agents found firearms and "items that could be identified as bomb-making components, including gunpowder," in his motel room, according to FBI spokesman Erik Vasys.
The Army alert sent via email and obtained by The Associated Press says the man arrested by Killeen police "was in possession of a large quantity of ammunition, weapons and a bomb inside a backpack." Upon questioning, the alert says, he admitted to planning an attack on Fort Hood.
Officials have not offered details about Abdo's possible intentions. The infantry soldier from Garland, Texas, had applied for conscientious objector status last year. A military review board recommended this spring that he be separated from the Army.
But the discharge was delayed after he was charged with possessing child pornography and an Article 32 military hearing last month recommended he be court-martialed. He's been absent without leave from Fort Campbell, Ky., since the July 4 weekend.
Abdo's arrest came after the owners of a local gun store - the same store where the 2009 Fort Hood shootings suspect Maj. Nidal Hasan bought a pistol used in the attack - called police, the Army's alert said.
Store clerk Greg Ebert said the man arrived at Guns Galore LLC by taxi Tuesday and bought 6 pounds of smokeless gunpowder, three boxes of shotgun ammunition and a magazine for a semi-automatic pistol, paying about $250. Ebert said he became concerned when the man asked questions indicating he didn't know much about the items.
"(We) felt uncomfortable with his overall demeanor and the fact he didn't know what the hell he was buying," Ebert said. "I thought it prudent to contact the local authorities, which I did."
Killeen police learned from the taxi company that Abdo had been picked up from a local motel and that he also had visited an Army surplus store where he paid cash for a uniform bearing Fort Hood unit patches, according to the Army alert.
Vasys said the FBI would charge Abdo with possessing bomb-making components and he would be transferred from Killeen police into federal custody. Vasys said there was nothing to indicate Abdo was "working with others."
An Oklahoma attorney who has represented Abdo said Thursday he hadn't heard from Abdo in weeks and learned of the arrest from a Texas television station.
"I've been quite anxious to get in touch with him," said attorney James Branum.
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia—A senior Saudi cleric issued a religious ruling to allow fathers to arrange marriages for their daughters "even if they are in the cradle," setting up a confrontation between government reformers and influential conservative clergy.
Sheik Saleh al-Fawzan, one of the country's most important clerics, issued the ruling after the Justice Ministry said this month it would act to regulate marriages between prepubescent girls and men in the Islamic kingdom.
"Those who are calling for a minimum age for marriage should fear God and not violate his laws or try to legislate things God did not permit" them to legislate, Sheik Fawzan wrote in a fatwa, or religious decree, which was published on his website.
Read full story on following link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903635604576472011907391364.html
"...there is no guarantee that the West could win an all-out World War III against Islam. Our infrastructure, government and military have been too far infiltrated by jihadists. There would be thousands of Fort Hood style massacres of our troops if a war broke out between Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam, not to mention massive sabotage of military and civilian infrastructure and violent intifadas in Muslim-dominated cities throughout the West... " http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-to-destroy-islam-non-violently.html
I won't hold my breath to see the CBC report on this as a Muslim Fundamentalist .
Jihadists put the MENTAL in FUN-de-MENTALists,9/11 put the SLAM in iSLAM while ALLAH puts the MAD in MuhamMAD by the rape of a 9 year old girl as a gift.
Poor Alan Colmes, he must now be balanced and attack a Imam over the Foot Hood jihad [plot.
OMG, I was right because the CBC website had the story buried away while they obsessed at the Toronto budget to portray the Democraticlly elected mayor as a heartless racist homophobe.
The story is purged of the 13 people slaughter by the muslim in 2009, and the CBC makes this article about Child-porn and being AWOL .
Time for canada to toss this useless CBC in the history basket of ex-Communists and Marxists . The CBC still calls our Troops War-Criminals based on a liar and weasel Muslims in Ottawa that is now quiet since the evidence proved him wrong. But that didn't stop the CBC because they loved to hold up CAIR's Dr.Sheema Khan as a moderate muslims when she Crusaded for Shariah Law in canada where gays are murdered in public as in gaza.
The CBC has yet to haul Con-Job Khan back in to answer for her ties to hamas funding in the 2007 HLF trial,Khan aided and abetted a Syrai Draft-dodger sue canada for $400'000'000.00 via Lawfare.
The CBC foamed at the mouth when they thought they had a MP caught in a crime for stealing a $60'000.00 item, BUT....once the CBC saw it was a gay leftists turned Criminal the CBC used the Homophobia card and blamed the theft on Mental Illness.
It seems like these leftists crooks have more of a Fun-De-mentalism problem and think that only other people must obey the laws because they are victim of a mental issue.
CBC is also stooping to a new low by using Iraq as the ezxcuse that drove this peaceful Muslim to a SJS( sudden jihad syndrome).
I see he is upholding one of the highest and most esteemed attributes of his faith. The one resonating, unending marker and most prized virtue of a true muslime----child porn. Way to go Naser! Keep on proving us right!!
If this traitorous pervert rodent had already been recommended for court-martial prior to his plot to attack Fort Hood, surely his case should be dealt with by a military court. Or will it be through the civilian courts I wonder, where a team of bleeding heart 'experts' will blame American foreign policy and the poor didums' upbringing. Let's see. .
He joined the army but he was a...
... conscientious objector!?
And he was a conscientious objector
... because he was a Muslim!?
That makes sense. [NOT]
Hello Jihad Watch
Check this out -
Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html#ixzz1TNxRPiIQ
I don't see much point in posting on sites where operators are too myopic to respond to Norway's pro-hamas Genocidism. A go-for-the-throat-of-Jonas-Gahr-Store (Hamas quisling in Norse foreign ministry) would limit that Fascist's move to set up a Genocide entity on Israel's borders, to be enforced by NATO.
Norway's AUF Fascists paid for this shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgaAg5ExgOU&feature=related
In the full youtube version, "Tears of Gaza" contains a young girl's tearful cry for "revenge" against the "Jews" who dared to challenge Hamas' missile attacks on civilians.
Being Muslim prevents him from fighting Muslims but not from slaughtering civilized folk. All libtards and Pollyannas out there should think on that, or emote, or whatever libs do in place of thinking.
Islamis not the problem! Devout Muslims are the problem.
he said his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting,
This is misleading and obviously false...Fighting who?
He didn't want to fight his brothers in Islam, but he had a different standard for his fellow soldiers...We all know where he got those wild ideas...His Mahoundian beliefs do not 'prevent' him from fighting, Islam demands it...
Here is MEMRI's record of Abdo's interview last year with Al Jazeera:
http://www.memri.org/clip_transcript/en/2594.htm
Since liberal and Muslim fascists blamed everyone else for what happened in Norway, can we blame the "peace activists" for this? It's only fair we give the Nazi left at a taste of their own medicine, since liberals hate the military and support radical Islam.
Good find Mike. .I wonder what the story is with his ''wife from Canada''. .a convert prehaps?
The following is a blurp defending Abdo that was put out last year by the leftist Iraq Veterans Against the War, a group which has a strong alliance with Medea Benjamin and Code Pink:
http://www.ivawarchive.org/node/6121
The page contains links (now disabled) to a "defense fund" for Nasser Abdo. I wonder what these organizations now think about Abdo that it has come to light that he planned to mass murder American citizens. I have always regarded IVAW and Code Pinkos as a bit over the proverbial top.
I think it important to take a look at this pre-attack attempt condemnation of Pfc. Abdo by an organization which represents American Muslims who have served, and who are serving, the nation honorably:
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/news.php?id=6944
Hmmm. .AIFD founded by Dr Zuhdi Jasser.
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia—A senior Saudi cleric issued a religious ruling... setting up a confrontation between government reformers and influential conservative clergy.
Are the London betting parlors making book on this match? I'd like to lay some money against the Arabian gubmint reformers on this one. Call me a heartless cynic, but I could use the dough.
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ALLAH puts the MAD in MuhamMAD by the rape of a 9 year old girl as a gift.
Mo didn't rape that little girl. She had plenty of nice things to say about him in the Hah-Deaths. It was consensual sex. Hell, she probably laid back and enjoyed it, to invoke the words of Bobby Knight here.
From minimum wage to minimum age, it's all in the legal definition. And your everyday Moslem, who has needs, has religious clerics issuing fatwas at his hairy back.
It appears that Abdo's father spent five years in prison for soliciting sex online from an undercover officer posing as a fifteen year old girl. Mr. Abdo showed up at the "girl's" house, expecting a sexual liason, but was arrested and sentenced to five years, after which he was deported to Jordan. The parents divorced years ago.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/garland/headlines/20110728-fort-hood-plot-suspect-has-deep-dallas-area-roots.ece
Agent provocatuer alert on APF. And Ros.
what on earth are you **TALKING** about?
Don't be dotty Dot. .APF is old-school. .I'd trust him with my own. If you've got an appetite for trolls, have a munch on Malasian poster ''srizals'', whom I've been picking away at for the last four days on the .'Malay bibles can't use the name Allah' thread. .he's all up for child marriage, plus he's a genuine hairyback pious Moslem. @APF,bets are off at Ladbrokes bookies here in London.
How many more Nidal Hassans or Naser Abdo's are out there ready to explode like ticking time bombs putting American soldiers and civilians at risk? There have already been murders of American soldiers by American Muslim Soldiers even before Nidal Hassan.
The struggle dealing with those who define themselves as devout Muslims continuously leaves open the question; if they are so devout should they not reflect the call to jihad which is defined as a duty for all Muslims by Allah against the infidel.
How does a Muslim handle these requirements commanded by Allah among the infidels who are at war with parts of the umma throughout Islamic countries? Palestine,Iran,Pakistan, and many Islamic countries see the United States as the great or big Satan. We do have Muslims who are preaching hate Against America openly on our university campus (you've heard them)in Irvine,Ca. to San Diego. They are usually members of the Muslim Students Assoc. How do American Muslims separate themselves from the teachings in the Islamic trilogy? Do they simply ignore what Allah has commanded for them? How does an American Muslim Soldier handle the fact that they are commanded to show allegiance to Allah only and they are not to befriend any infidels?
We never hear such issues addressed in the King hearings, the question as to why Muslims are radicalized, or what is applied from Islamic teachings is never touched on, never addressed in any of these hearings for some politically correct reason. Rep. King seems somewhat reluctant to call experts on Islam such as Robert Spencer who will define what is precisely written in the Quran that drives those who commit to jihad follow and read. Their are an estimated 164 alas'that call Muslims to jihad in the Quran alone and yet the Sira(biography of Mohammed) and the hadiths(traditions of Mohammed) are even more explicitly violent.
dear sean,
you say "...there is no guarantee that the West could win an all-out World War III against Islam. Our infrastructure, government and military have been too far infiltrated by jihadists"
this islam/problem, (and we do agree that is a HUGE problem)carries two solutions that must be carried out post haste.
1. islam amongst our midst
2. islam in the 'dar al islam'
for my suggestions to be effective, almost the entire layer of current politicians must be displaced with new blood that have chosen a career in politics, in order TO SERVE THE COUNTRY AND THE PEOPLE and not to fatten their wallet, and who understand the nature of this insidious cancer rapidly metastesizing in our midst.
the answer to #1 is an immediate halt to ALL musloid immigration concommitant with a focus on applying the law with no exceptions! i.e. no more of this 'let's pander to musloid sensitivities' bs.... NO!
to the contrary!
let us invoke our freedom of speech and use kkkorans as kindling for fires (all copies, properly bought with one's own money) let us speak from atop every available soap box what 'islam' really is (9:5, 9:111, 4:34 etc etc etc ad nauseum) let us have boats and airplanes ready to DEPORT all the outraged musloids that are sure to start their 'usual'....this procedure is to be done until the only muslim-demonstrators will be those 'legendary peaceful muslims' that until now....there is really no sign of such a breed....
while this solution is being implemented to solve problem #1, the military, should have contingency plans for an immediate and swift attacks on any musloid countries without using any 'boots on the ground'. a la response to japan in ww2.
it is not pretty but this is the reality!!!
to calll it anything else...is to willfully put the head in the sand and hope that evil willl just go away...
well, it won't!
@ London Jim & phoenix -- that is my observation. Read over his quotes from The Anti-Jihadist's column yesterday, and above seemingly making light of child rape which is no joking matter, and his promotion of Mohammed yesterday. Perhaps today that "Holy Prophet" will get another promotion and be deified. Who the heck knows?!?
Perhaps he has gone over to the other side. Or perhaps he is using "sarcasm" ala miriam. Or perhaps he's under duress worrying about his pigs. Perhaps a lot of things. Perhaps not.
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Sure, his style can be un-nerving. .that's a speciality of his, shocking I know, but da man got a sty-el of 'is own. He could be the reincarnation of Dr Sardonicus.
ala sux writes, "I won't hold my breath to see the CBC report on this as a Muslim Fundamentalist ."
On this morning's "News Roundup" program on NPR, they briefly covered the attempted assault on Fort Hood by Abdo, noting his sympathy for "Army psychiatrist" Nidal Hasan, yet never once mentioning the words Muslim, jihad, or Islam. They noted his request for conscientious objector status, never noting he only objected to "killing Muslims". With this level of obfuscation it's no wonder so many have so little understanding of the problem.
APF, whilst taking a little trip down memory lane to revisit The Twelve Dreams of Dr Sardonicus, a not-overly optimistic analog, I stumbled across, perchance, a witty lil' London site that has a good take on the EDL's Tommy Robinson/ Paxman interview the other day. .check it out. . http://londoncomedywriters.com/blog/Dr_Sardonicus/
Infighting amongst extremists should awlays be encouraged!
This MPAC press release needs to be acknowledged... while their other activity is also acknowledged, for good or bad.
That is the ONLY way to bring on real reform.
"Los Angeles - 7/28/11) -- The Muslim Public Affairs Council thanks law enforcement and an alert, concerned citizen for their quick response and ability to thwart a potential terrorist attack in Killeen, TX.
SEE: “U.S. Soldier Arrested near Ft. Hood” (New York Times)
As information continues to emerge regarding the arrest of Pfc. Naser Jason Abdo amidst allegations he was collecting bomb-making material, MPAC reaffirms its call to all members of Muslim American communities to be in contact with local law enforcement for the safety and security of their communities, their institutions and their country.
We condemn the heinous actions of anyone who resorts to violence as a solution to address their grievances. We as Americans stand by our men and women in uniform and commend law enforcement for their quick action and the gun shop owner for being a concerned citizen.
We are relieved that a second disaster was averted near Ft. Hood, which sits north of the city of Killeen. Ft. Hood officials said Abdo, who was absent without leave from Ft. Campbell, KY, was not near the base and no incident occurred there.
Founded in 1988, MPAC is an American institution which informs and shapes public opinion and policy by serving as a trusted resource to decision makers in government, media and policy institutions. MPAC is also committed to developing leaders with the purpose of enhancing the political and civic participation of American Muslims.
[CONTACT: Marium Mohiuddin, 323-258-6722, marium@mpac.org"
Dot don't be a dolt. AFP has been a regular on this board since WAY back when (I've been reading since 05) you're way off base here..
..er that's APF ..
btw from reports I've seen Abdope left the courtroom today screaming "Nidal Hasan Fort Hood 2009!".
APF has a choir!
It's the cause.
Dot knock it off. You are a newbie here. Way back when I was a newbie I shot my mouth off a few too many times and got one or two (deserved) smack downs. You'd be wise to temper yourself and back off. Wait a few days and cool your jets.
I love the proclamation that he was working "alone". Just like all the other millions in Allah's army: alone.
So says the alleged Christian who seemingly only incites the anti-Christian choir members IstanbulChick and George to verbal violence -- though it is quite possible that you speak with many mouths (screen IDs).
FYI, I have been reading, donating to, and commenting on Jihad Watch since 2008. True, this is a new screen ID (Dot). You will note it was created the day after the Arizona massacre. Your observations are entirely without merit and your orders will be most deliberately ignored. How about cut the soap operas and help your country preserve life, liberty and the pursuit of sanity?
It's the cause.
Because. Because if you search a text file of the Ko-Ran for the string "cause" you'll plenty of hits to cause you to question Moslems in all situations in everyplace of the world at all times.
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APF has a choir!
Dot, only very temporarily cuz this week I'm working a hardcore literalist angle on the holding public narrative. You know, all the fictive realities being fed into the throats of Infidels everywhere. That stuff isn't going down quite as smoothly as was just a couple of years ago.
Double standards abound in the vague, hands-off treatment of the suspect's identity in the headline and opening paragraph.
Pfc. Naser Abdo, a 21-year-old soldier who was granted conscientious objector status this year after he said his Muslim beliefs prevented him from fighting...
Tziona wrote:
He joined the army but he was a...
... conscientious objector!?
And he was a conscientious objector
... because he was a Muslim!?
That makes sense. [NOT]
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Tziona, Abdo is not a "conscientious objector" in the traditional sense in which that term is used—to denote a pacifist who simply cannot bring himself to kill *anyone*.
I consider this honorable. Generally, their service in time of war is either deferred, or else they are found some non-combat service to perform.
This was *not* the case with Private Abdo—although the article, ludicrously, not only implies that it is, but that he is a conscientious objector *because of Islam*.
We all know how laughable that idea is.
The kernel of truth to the assertion is this: Abdo had no conscientious objections to killing in general—just to killing *Muslims*. Even this may seem odd—Muslims kill each other all the time—as we know all too well.
The objection was to killing Muslims *as part of an Infidel army*. He only became a "conscientious objector" after he found his unit was being sent to Afghanistan.
Dot wrote:
Perhaps he has gone over to the other side.
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Not bloody likely...
More:
APF has a choir!
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Not really. His posts speak for themselves. Alarmed Pig Farmer has a flippant sense of humor and can even be a bit crude on occasion, but he is a staunch anti-Jihadist.
The idea that J not A may be the same poster as George and Istanbul Chick is just silly. J not A and Istanbul Chick, especially, could hardly be more different—in terms of gender, faith, life experience, and style. The main thing they have in common is that they are good people and solid anti-Jihadists. As for questioning George, he is about as decent a person as you can find here. You cannot suppose that he has "gone over to the other side".
More:
How about cut the soap operas and help your country preserve life, liberty and the pursuit of sanity?
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I agree, Dot. And one of the best ways to do that is to work together—even with people whose styles you might consider a bit grating.
You see the kind of horrors we are up against with this vile mass-murder planning Jihadist Abdo. We need all the allies we can get. Infighting does not help.
GI:
Infighting is less of a distraction (goal?) when people are sincere. You are naive to think that so many are, when their online behavior obviously proves otherwise.
Mature, intelligent adults can see provocations for what they are, think for themselves, make their own judgments, and either ignore or tangle with the provocateurs.
Tangling with provocateurs is counterproductive, and quite frankly, your sermons are misplaced.
Thanks!
Thanks for replying, Dot.
I can't not reply.
Back to business, yes?
I think your reply to graven image was totally uncalled for. Graven is one of the best posters on JW, a staunch anti-jihadist, and clearly a moral, decent person.
To imply that she is 'naive' is ridiculous. She knows an enormous amount about islam, and has not hesitated to verbally demolish *real* trolls on JW in the past. I think it is *you* who is naive, if you can't distinguish flippant/sarcastic humour from 'provocation'.
You said:
''Mature, intelligent adults can see provocations for what they are, think for themselves, make their own judgments, and either ignore or tangle with the provocateurs.''
The implication here would appear to be that *you* are a 'mature, intelligent adult', but graven is not. Which, as I've noted above, is manifestly rubbish.
You said:
''Tangling with provocateurs is counterproductive, and quite frankly, your sermons are misplaced.''
Graven was making no sermons, she was simply pointing out, far more politely than I would have done, that because you may dislike a person's writing style, that doesn't make him'her a 'provocateur'.
You say you have been posting here since 2008. In that case, you should be able to distinguish between provocateur trolls, and those whose humour you don't get.
GI -- is that you or one of your alters? GI is sweet enough to rot teeth, but I_C and j_not_a are choir member attack dogs.
How about share the road and/or shut the hell up? All of you.
Seriously, 'dot'.
I *know* Gravenimage. I know who she is in real life and she knows who I am. I *know* her work; that is, I know the artwork she does that is unrelated to the resistance against Jihad.
For you to say she is 'sweet enough to rot teeth' is just plain insulting.
And there is absolutely no way she would mess with people's heads by using two different monikers in the same forum. She just is not that kind of person.
And furthermore: 'Gravenimage' is American and lives on the West Coast.
Jan, on the other hand, is BRITISH. I have read all of her postings. They seem to me to be far too sober and sensible in tone, to be coming from the kind of person who plays games by using two different monikers in the same discussion.
I would wager that you also post under several screen names on this website alone -- and having already had previous dust ups with you concerning various and sundry of my biblically-based stands on hot topic issues..I hereby inform you that your "opinion means nothin'."
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@dumbledoresarmy.
Just in case you come back to this thread, thanks for your defence of gi and myself.
I don't know why 'Dot' is so unneccessarily beligerent and suspicious, but to accuse you, or gi, of using multiple monikers, presumably because she doesn't like what you said, is just a *leetle* bit paranoid. Ah well. Takes all sorts.
I can assure you I'm no-one but myself. Why are you being so belligerent,rude, and suspicious ? Just because you dislike, disagree with what someone says, or the position they take on something, doesn't make them a troll, you know.
Immense thanks -- I shall honestly phrase my epitaph:
~Here lies belligerence~
Awesome!