Umdat al-Salik (The Reliance of the Traveler), a manual for the Shafi'i school of Islamic jurisprudence certified as "reliable" by Egypt's al-Azhar University, explains that non-Muslims are:
... "forbidden to ring church bells or display crosses, recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays, and are forbidden to build new churches" - o.11.5 (6,7)
But don't just take one book's word for it; take the evidence. We have seen similar cases regarding bells and audible non-Islamic worship in Muslim-majority areas quite distant from one another, including Russia, Bosnia, Somalia, Gaza, the Philippines, and even Britain.
"Muslim Attack on Christians in Egypt Provoked By Installation of Church Bell," by Mary Abdelmassih for the Assyrian International News Agency, July 28:
(AINA) -- An exchange of harsh words on July 25 between Ruth, a Christian woman, and Gassem Fouad, a Muslim man who had parked his tricycle in front of her home, escalated into assault by the man on Ruth and other Christian villagers, and the arrest of one Copt. After Ruth, who is 5 months pregnant, was assaulted, a Muslim mob waited for Coptic farmers to return from the fields, where they were intercepted and beaten with iron rods and pipes.
Security forces managed to contain the situation.
Six Christians, including Ruth and her sister-in-law Hannan, were hospitalized with concussions, head injuries and broken limbs. No Muslim was injured.
None of the Muslim perpetrators was arrested. Ruth's husband, Kirillos Daniel, was accused of possessing a weapon -- a rifle found thrown where the Christians were attacked, and is under detention.
In an interview on CTV Coptic TV, Father Estephanos Shehata, of the Samalout Coptic dioceses, said "The real reason behind this assault was the church bell, which has greatly angered the Muslims in the village." He said the dilapidated church in the village of Ezbet Jacob Bebawi, outside Samalout, north of Minya, was given permission to renovate and this was completed last week, and the church bell was reinstalled.
"This is the first time such an incident has taken place in this village," said Father Estephanos, "which is 60-75% Christian, and the reason is definitely the presence of the church bell."
Christian villagers believe this assault was premeditated and they fear their church faces imminent attack, especially since Muslims have been slowly congregating in the village, which has a very weak presence of security forces.
Islam, the religion of peace. Right, of course.
This is OT, but worthy of a good chuckle:
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=231307
This situation is also rampant in Malaysia where the ruling government refuses or delays permits of building licences of churches. They also have ridiculous rules such as the cross not being higher than the crescent on a mosque.
When I first arrived in Malaysia, I was shocked at the extent of the repression of the ordinary citizens rights to worship according to the faith of their choice. The situation have been long perpetuated that it seems to be the norm. And it doesn't show any signs of getting better
Another joke from JihadWatch and its phony sources. Imagine this, a village of 60-75% Christians is being oppressed by the 25% Muslims? And 41 registered churches in that diocese - holy crap 41 in one small region in a Muslim country...that's more than some places in the United States! Don't tell Robert as he might start his next Crusade on an island in Virginia. Every single church in the diocese has a bell, and it is only this one in particular that Muslims don't like? I think this issue is something other than religion...family dispute? Money? Or it could be just like it is in the West every day...road rage over a parking space!
And let's all remember how fair Sharia law is towards the infidel! (sarcasm)
Those Christians and Jews can be very provocative.
Even their mere existence often provokes many Muslims to extreme violence!
Maybe the self proclaimed expert signing as "An American" can enlighten us. Especially when it comes to Muslim "traditions".
Maybe in stating that "I think this issue is something other than religion...family dispute? Money? Or it could be just like it is in the West every day...road rage over a parking space!" he has a point!
After all, if you carefully examine "Sirat Rassoul Allah" for the account of Mohamed attack in the Jews of the Khaybar, there were many references to "treasure" and hardly a reference to "Allah".
But the Muslims have been the ones who always justify their murders, rapes, plunder, robberies and theft against non-Muslims as part of Jihad!
So much for the godless religion of the fake prophet!
"Imagine this, a village of 60-75% Christians is being oppressed by the 25% Muslims? And 41 registered churches in that diocese - holy crap 41 in one small region in a Muslim country...that's more than some places in the United States! "
perhaps, nevertheless it is the Muslims who are attacking. There will be future attacks by the Muslims..Being in the minority doesn't stop them from persecuting Non-Muslims. The Muslims are only being faithful to their religion.
+++Breaking+++
New fierce salvo and lots of smears from Mohammedans and their proxies (1. American Civil Liberties Union’s Northern California chapter; 2. Asian Law Caucus, a San Francisco-based civil rights group; 3. Farhana Khera, executive director of Muslim Advocates) against Robert, who want to keep the truth about Islam from coming out.
Among the most provocative aspects of the presentation is its recommended reading list. One book offered is The Truth About Mohammed: Founder of the World’s Most Intolerant Religion, by Robert Spencer. Spencer is one of the ringleaders of the protest against the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” and the co-founder of Stop the Islamicization of America, which “promotes a conspiratorial anti-Muslim agenda,” in the view of the Anti-Defamation League. A manifesto written by the Norwegian terror suspect Anders Behring Breivik cited Spencer 64 times.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/fbi-islam-101-guide/
Glad to see what the FBI is reading. :)
If only they would act accordingly.
Farhana Khera:
http://www.muslimadvocates.org/about/staff.html
There's nothing quite like the beautiful sound of church bells ringing . . .
Sure beats the screaching "call to [Satanic] prayer" all to Hell.
Muslim Advovcates (founded 2005): Heavily into lawfare to silence each and everyone critical of Islam. Most interesting chapter V. (p.18) "Conclusion & Recommendations". 11 big fat demands to "protect Islam". This was presented in march 2011. Mohammedan moles hating SIOE and Robert busily at work.
http://www.muslimadvocates.org/files/Muslim%20Advocates%20Testimony_.final.pdf
OT: Al-Qaeda’s terrorist tool kit now includes training manuals from Pakistani spy agency
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/al-qaedas-terrorist-tool-kit-now-includes-training-manuals-from-pakistani-spy-agency/2011/07/15/gIQAiHRDGI_blog.html
I wonder if Scott Shane will do a report on this ? Or NBC's Isikoff ?
Where's that other genius, Serwer ? Where's Alan Colmes ?
Perhaps if a Muslim had been wounded, one of these journalists might have been able to connect it to Spencer.
I bet that those Christians were a bunch of Islamophobes !
We saw it yesterday when the other troll posted it. Robert's new 'ringleader' title has a certain oom-pah to it. I like it.
Why is it always that Christians get beaten and arrested, and there are no Mahoundian arrests? There is something wrong with that picture...I wonder what it is?
Maybe the learned An American above can explain it...
A population of 25% wolves are also quite capable of devastating the other 75% sheep.
But my apologies to wolves for using them as an analogy.. wolves kill only because they need to eat, not because they have been brainwashed into killer zombies by some evil ideology.
Among other nonsense, you wrote; 'Another joke from JihadWatch and its phony sources. Imagine this, a village of 60-75% Christians is being oppressed by the 25% Muslims?'
If you recall, 19 Muslims attacked an overwhelming number of people in a Christian society on 9/11, murdering 3,500. So, your attempt to equivocate Islam's savage instinct with a compensating percentage doesn't work.
Or was the 9/11 attack just about 'parking space' as you bizarrely suggest?
You're a clown!
An American:
In your comment I see only ridicule, opinions and guesswork. Least of all I see the hard evidence you are looking for in Robert Spencer's "phony sources".
I count 14 Coptic Dioceses in Egypt. Your number of 41 churches in the Diocese is not nearly as many as you would like it to seem.
As I was reading the post I got the feeling that the primary role of this site is that it has become the premier newspaper of record for Islamic nuttiness and violence, displacing the decaying NYT on this topic.
It is the go to source, before the NYT.
The label in the comment above of "ringleader" must be viewed just as if the criticism was that of the reporting (or non-reporting) by the NYT on any topic.
Marisol uses the same brief style as with most of Robert's posts to introduce the fact item. It is clean concise and easy to read.
If the site were owned by someone like Mayor Bloomberg then the Islamists could simply buy an (Big Oil backed) ownership interest and gain a censorship role in return. I guess the Islamist censors don't like being prevented from censoring. The lingering question (rhetorical question) is whether the censors are more offended by the reporting of routine facts of terror and intimidation by co-Islamists or by anything resembling editorializing?
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On the issue of number disparity I suggest reading the History of the Conquest of Mexico, it is all online.
It's gotten so bad that even the Lamestream makes an occasional mention of the odd incident of religious aggression by Moslems.
But, to be sure always in the framework that this is a temporal dysfunction caused by stresses put upon Moslems in a larger transformational process: the modernization of Islam, one of the world's great religions.
*** 9:5 ***
... slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
Forces are shifting the tectonic plates of history, and two things are to be accepted as this takes place:
1) Moslems are not be be held responsible for their behavior.
2) Everything's gonna turn out just fine, in fact we should be excited to see what happens next.
Another joke from JihadWatch and its phony sources. Imagine this, a village of 60-75% Christians is being oppressed by the 25% Muslims?
Apparently you weren't paying attention in chemistry class.
OT
'No porn or prostitution': Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html#ixzz1TPXWc74z
Zulu reports -- "Islamic extremists set up Sharia law controlled zones in British cities"
I am having a hard time distinguishing this from the court ruling by U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange on Oklahoma Measure 755. Any objection to exclusive legal jurisdiction by Sharia judges is based 100 percent on illegal bias, both under Sharia law and under the US Constitution.
Egypt: Muslims attack Christians over the installation of a church bell
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You find reference to this in Umdat al-Salik, as noted—and this goes back even further. This, from the 7th-century Pact of Umar:
"We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims...
"We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it...
"We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly..."
In other words, Christians are only allowed the use of small, hand-held bells, and must use those only inside the churches themselves, and then "very softly".
Contrast that with the Egyptian law that there are to be no settlements—*even of Christians*—outside the sound of a Muezzin.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.html
More:
An exchange of harsh words on July 25 between Ruth, a Christian woman, and Gassem Fouad, a Muslim man who had parked his tricycle in front of her home, escalated into assault by the man on Ruth and other Christian villagers, and the arrest of one Copt. After Ruth, who is 5 months pregnant, was assaulted, a Muslim mob waited for Coptic farmers to return from the fields, where they were intercepted and beaten with iron rods and pipes.
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How common *is this*? A Muslim man beats up a pregnant Christian woman, then a Muslim mob lays in wait and beats up a bunch of unarmed Christian farmers. And who is arrested? *One of the Copts*.
More:
Six Christians, including Ruth and her sister-in-law Hannan, were hospitalized with concussions, head injuries and broken limbs. *No Muslim was injured*. [emphasis mine—GI]
None of the Muslim perpetrators was arrested. Ruth's husband, Kirillos Daniel, was accused of possessing a weapon -- a rifle found thrown where the Christians were attacked, and is under detention.
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It doesn't even look like this is his weapon. This is also an ancient stricture on dhimmis—that they are not to in any way arm themselves.
When Egyptian police finally arrive and break up a Muslim mob attacking Christians, commonly their next step is to search the homes *of the Christians*, and arrest anyone who has so much as a knife or a rusty hunting rifle in their possession.
Meanwhile, our own slaves-of-Marduk2 get to bray call-to-prayer to the arab god fiction. Why would a "god" want prostrating idiots before him? Maybe that rite, doesn't serve "gods."
I want quid pro quo in mecca and medina. Then after Church I want to spend some times in a Hooters.
BTW: norway's anti-semitic "Arbeitpolitit" (labour party) have had their 3 day scrutiny free period. Already the auto-sainthood is crumbling, as Europe's scummiest totalitarians are in the hot-box for their support for a paleo-genocide entity.
The Oslo-media monologists have done a lot of finger pointing in the past 3 days. Time to reverse the heat. First of all, the daily paper-wastes all front-paged attacks on Glenn Beck for comparing ANY political use of youth, as comparable to Hitler Youth. His comment was an aside, and was not misinterpreted; it was misused. Last year, the Israeli media reported that Bibi referred to Norway's terrorist loving Foreign Minister as a "quisling." This appeared in Frontpage, 2 days before the Utoya-Massacre of politicized youth.
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/20/the-quislings-of-norway/
This video of Norway's Foreign Minister defending a Genocidal paleoterror state, was taken on Utoya 1 day before the massacre. Hopefully the children in the background were not DOUBLE victims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eakm0tJqVYE&feature=player_detailpage
Here is a pre-massacre expose of the wild animals who run Norway's foreign policy.
http://thinkingmansguidetotheworld.blogspot.com/2010/08/quisling-lives-norway-goes-dhimmi.html
Okay, out comes the Quisling videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTE6BBLwWfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nuooEl1QQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT7rGgtydes&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0&feature=related
If America has a post-American President, then Norway has a Post-Norwegian Oligarchy, with a loathsome and deceitful media.
Norway - home of the "Oslo" diplomatic joke - is leading the PLO/Hamas chorus towards UN (fuck them) concoction of a Genocide state, this September. We can drown out Hitler Youth redux weasels like Judas Gahr-Store.
Watch Labour's FM and child abuser - Judas Gahr-Store - lie through his vulgar teeth about his fellatial relationship with Hamas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwdgimM4BDA
See how Norway's persecuted and marginalized Opposition condemns their "Judas" for giving a blank check to paleonazis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC5Dt7CjVy0&feature=related
Here "Judas Cabinet's" Education Minister (and wannabe 4th sperm receptacle for some crazed abdullah) calls for bombing of Israel, by Norway's air force.
http://tundratabloids.com/2011/03/norway-socialist-left-party-to-vote-on-motion-calling-for-bombing-israel-if-it-acts-against-hamas-in-gaza.html
Let's move beyond the narrative concerning a lone-gunman, inspired by "Odin," "steroids" and "world of warcraft."
Robert Spencer: ABSOLUM, ABSOLUM, ABROLUM. If you want to be an Activist, activate Norway against their quislings.
"An American" (hardly) is yet another troll to come to JW since the Norwegian tragedy and crime. It really has become a feeding frenzy throughout media outlets, here in America and elsewhere, to demonize Robert Spencer and basically anyone who would dare suggest that Islam itself is full of problems and pathologies. Of course, looking the other way by Muslims and clueless dhimmis (e.g., Alan Colmes) respecting all the Islamic terrorist attacks that have occurred since 9/11 makes the negative focus on Spencer, Geller et al. all the more stupid or hypocritical (quite laughable too).
Just thinking about the way things really are makes this stupidity and hypocrisy stunning in its breadth. Muslims acting in the name of their religion have perpetrated over 17,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11. By comparison, senseless killings by non-Muslims over the past decade are a handful of cases and yet these are what are by far the most mentioned. The disproportionality here is explainable only if one assumes there is an agenda at work. And there is---exculpate Islam and Muslims in general no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary, accuse anyone who won't lift the blame from Islam and Muslims as bigots and focus blame on causes and people that produce a very tiny fraction of the tragedies and crimes that Muslims are responsible for.
But none of this moronic and deceitful obfuscation can alter the truth of things. The truth is as follows: 1) Islam is incompatible with freedom; 2) the Islamic world is deeply dysfunctional, repressive and nonproductive; 3) many in the West are still in denial that Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization; 4) but more and more folks in the West with each passing year are finding out for themselves that Islam is bad news all around and that a site like Jihad Watch is invaluable for determining where the truth actually resides about the real nature of Islam.
Gotta' love how stubborn the truth is. What a great ally to have in any fight against darkness and ignorance.
Don't you just love the way trolls so often have such blatantly obvious user names?
For instance, "An American", "Patriot", and "Real Jew" are clearly anything but.
I want quid pro quo in mecca and medina. Then after Church I want to spend some times in a Hooters.
*** al-Tabari 8:110 ***
When Abu Sufyan learned that Mohammed had taken her, he said, "That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!"
I like your style, Ros. I like your vision.
Don't you just love the way trolls so often have such blatantly obvious user names?
*** Bukhari Vol 4 Vk 54 Nbr 454 **
I looked up and saw Gabriel in it. He called me saying, Allah has heard your people's saying to you, and what they have replied back to you, Allah has sent the Angel of the Mountains to you so that you may order him to do whatever you wish to these people."
In the same way, they showed jaunty humor in their choice of the dates 9-11 and 7-11, ha ha.
Hello Guys,
Muslims of the kind like Reza Aslan will say:"There is no clash of civilization"Egypt has always been good to Christians.
As I stated before,I dislike intensely how Reza Aslan insults Robert and Pamela and even others,he belittles Ayan Hirsi Ali,Irshad Manji
That's why I decided to show why he is no scholar,based on what is written in his 2 popular books "No god but God" and "How to Win a Cosmic War".What scholarly dishonesty.If you have university friends,intellectual friends who think he is a "great expert",then show them these articles
PART 3:
How he actually claims the Koran does not denigrate other religions,the book itself,and Koranic citations that prove it is false,suras 5:14 and 5:64
In fact the NT continues to say the Jews are the Chosen People,the Koran never
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/07/28/proof-reza-aslanmuslim-intellectual-from-iranis-no-realhonest-scholarpart-3/
PART 4:
It shows how he intentionally does not define the word "concubine" to give the Koran a good impression"
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/07/28/proof-reza-aslanmuslim-intellectual-from-iranis-no-realhonest-scholarpart-4/
Surrounded by Arbeitpolitit-Hitler Youth2 graduates, Obama signs condolences in Embassy of Norway to US.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article4184612.ece
Obama gives a fart-with-a-lump-in-it to the Mumbai terror victims; not one word for the 30 victims of bombings by the religious class of that son of a child abandoner.
http://www.indianembassy.org/
Those Egyptian Muslims are nothing but a bunch of ding-dongs.
They need some Anita Ward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPYese-Hl8M
Church bells, apparently, scare away angels.
Remember the angels?
An army of angels helped the outnumbered Muslims defeat the Meccans at Badr. That the Meccan casualties were so low, however, suggests there was no army of angels.
Once again, the (Christian) "other" must suffer because of Muslim myths, beliefs, and divinely inspired notions (or, more correctly, perversions) of "peace, tolerance and justice."
Who are these people - and why do they live like this???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019390/Whod-dustman-Cairo-Revolting-pictures-piled-rubbish-Egyptian-capital-label-Garbage-City.html
Find the buried hint...
... well, 'hundreds of years ago' they weren't permitted to do anything else, but don't worry, its very lucrative.
Spencer is one of the ringleaders...
And the Islamophobia Industry scandal deepens.
*** 33:21 ***
Have we been lured into a sense of false emergency by Spencer and his cohorts? Has he yelled Fire! in a crowded theater as part of an IJC conspiracy to embargo social progress in the Moslem world? There are so many questions to axe, so many answers to speculate about. As the roster of miscreants is exposed, we're coming to realize that the theater is crowded and there is no place for pranksters yukking it up in the name of their crazy marginal conspiracy theories.
What I wanna know is, will Fitzgerald be called back to stand for examination in the Court of Public Opinion? And how about that Shirk dude?
Obama gives a fart-with-a-lump-in-it to the Mumbai terror victims; not one word for the 30 victims of bombings by the religious class of that son of a child abandoner.
Forget the wild rumors that Barack is a secret Moslem. We know for a proven fact that he's half white, which would support the theory that he signed the Norwegian resolution out of racist motives.
*** 33:21 ***
You say Tom-ay-toe, I say Mul-ah-toe.
Another joke from JihadWatch and its phony sources.
The United Press International considers the Assyrian International News Agency a credible source. Do you see a problem there? What's wrong with UPI?
Nice try at moral relativism and out right obfuscation there, "American."
While technically you are right about "41 registered churches in that diocese" you failed to mention that "that diocese is ALL OF EGYPT.
http://www.coptic.org/egypt.htm
Perhaps that was your attempt at a "joke." Maybe it was an honest mistake. Or, it was an outright lie on your part.
You might be right about it just being an altercation over cash. I'm sure you meant no oversight when you failed to mention that the International Relgious Freedom Report for 2004 conducted by the U.S. State Department found that not only did the government of Egypt severly restrict the building of new churches it also made repairing existing churches a legal and financial nightmare.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35496.htm
Assuming you didn't know about that condition under which Copts live you were probably completely unaware that the Coptic Priest cited in the above "joke" report, Estafanos Shehata is under a fatwa from no less than those humanistic scholars are Al Azhar! Guess what for? For asking for permission to conduct services in his home due to the abysmal condition of his church which he is waiting for permission to repair.
Is all of that a "joke" to you "american"?
In your post you seem to think that a mob of "minorities" (of whom you failed to mention have the LAW on their side) attacking a majority is a joke, no big deal, just a minor altercation over nothing.
Assuming I am correct in your (mis)interpretation of the events that transpired, I sincerly hope that you are gang raped by a minority of satan-worshipping bikers who take affront at your sneering at their choice of clothing.
I will remember that such incidents, to you are a mere non-issue, and to think otherwise makes me a "joke." I will heartly cheer on the satanist rapers and testify in their defense at the subsequent trial.
You moral and cultural relativists should be careful. Your condoning of evil will eventually come back to haunt you...
Diclaimer: this post in no way endorses any supremacist hatred advocating violence against muslims or the non-muslim enablers.
Sashland wrote:
Who are these people - and why do they live like this???
Find the buried hint...
... well, 'hundreds of years ago' they weren't permitted to do anything else, but don't worry, its very lucrative.
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Yes, Sashland—the tone of this Daily Mail story is appalling. It implies that oppressed Christians *like* living in garbage, because—hey—they've never known anything else.
And *why* have they never known anything else? Oh, just a little 'colorful' oppression from the supremacist Muslim majority....
Plank. They're living in a country which is 90% Muslim. And this is what happens to infidels who live in a country which is 90% Muslim - if they're lucky. Usually its far worse. And why are you living in America? Shouldn't hate-filled parasitical trash like yourself be living in Pakistan instead?