Egyptian Sheikh: Whoever insults Muhammad, even if he later repents, must be killed

It is noteworthy that Sheikh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni says that one who insults Muhammad must be killed, but not one who insults Allah. For all the indignant rejection by Muslims of the old term "Mohammedan," Islam is actually quite Muhammad-centric. "Egyptian Shaykh: 'We still kill him, even if he repents!,'" from Translating Jihad, July 13:

The above clip was taken from an interview given by Shaykh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni on the Egyptian satellite television station al-Hikma on 7 July 2011. Al-Huwayni here explains that whoever insults Muhammad, even if he later repents, must be killed.

Later in the interview, al-Huwayni went on to contrast this with the case of one who insults Allah. He said that insulting Allah of course makes one an infidel, which is agreed to by all Islamic scholars, yet the one who insults Allah is not killed--he is merely called to repentance. This is because even if the whole world insults Allah, it does not matter to him--it does not hurt him. [...]

Subtitled video above, transcript below:

Whoever insults the Prophet (PBUH), if he later comes and apologizes, and kisses the shoes (of the ruler), and says, “I want all Muslims, every one, to return and strike me with the soles of their feet”—does the ruler have the right to accept this?

I bring up this question, as it was asked of me. The answer is that it is not permissible for anyone to accept this. Then what do we do with him? We kill him! But he told you that he repented. We still kill him, even if he repents!

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And what if he/she is falsely accused of 'blasphemy'?
We still kill them, after an unfair trial - whether judicially, or in some other way.

al-Huwayni says:

"This is because even if the whole world insults Allah, it does not matter to him--it does not hurt him. [...]"


And Mohammed is hurt when you insult him????

I thought Mohammed was dead!!!

Robert Spencer has to explain how the shariah works here.

An what is an insult. Are true staments considered an insult?

Mohammed was a caravan raider thief is an insult?

Mohammed had sex with a pre-pubescent girl is an insult?

Who determines what is an insult? al-Huwayini?

Who placed al-Huwayni as judge of what is an insult?

Who is more important - Allah or Mohammed?

If you deny Allah, you have three days to repent. If you insult Mohammed, well, you see what happens.

I think all shiekhs who keep promoting killing of people insulting Mo/allah deserve to be sent to him right away. The sooner we get rid of them the sooner Muslims will leave Islam!!

it is clear from this shiekh's discussion that Mo is supreme and allah is his servant. It is also apparent from Quran and Mo's life that whenever his followers questioned Mo's actions, allah was readily available to send him another surah allowing Mo to do any murderous, atrocious, incestuos, pedophile deeds. And lo and behold the brain dead followers were satisfied with this criminal's explanations.

Mo and allah are evil twins conjoined at the hips. No wonder Mo is above allah and is to be respected more than allah. We should call them Mo/allah as they can't be separated.

As Ali Sina has said:

Allah was treated by Mohammed as a sock puppet.

How can you insult a dead man (Mohammed) whose body has long since rotted away? Islam is utterly devoid of truth and power. Its exists only by exerting terror on its adherents and anyone else in its poximity!

This is of course totalitarian power politics.

Muhammad is such an obvious fraud that death-threat terror must be used against any possibility of questioning his exalted status. The corrupt power & livelihood of these disgusting "scholars" depends on it.

Is it really possible to insult a child rapist?

What can you possibley say..."Hey Mo, you stopped raping nine year old girls yet???"

Or how about, "How come you come off like such a tough guy with women and children, but you're scared of a little puppy?"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XiZVEMA8z2U/TegMfcR283I/AAAAAAAAAJQ/yT2i46DZz1M/s1600/cute-puppy-dog-1280x800.jpg

Very well put Canto28

The real shahada:

There is no god but Mohammad and Allah is the puppet of Mohammed.

Is it insulting Muhammad when a MUSLIM scholar says:
"The private parts of the prophet (pbuh) must end up in hell because he used to have sexual intercourse with polytheist women." ?!?!
(Video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/07/private-parts-of-muhammad.html

Gotta love these appoint-themselves-God great "spiritual" leaders. Such profundity, such gentle and deep compassion, such loving and merciful respect for their fellow creatures, such humility!

I was taught that if one blasphemes God, however that is defined in any given religion, culture, or sub-culture, it was GOD's prerogative, not a human's, to decide that person's punishment.

Obviously I am not sufficiently respectful of a "culture" that defines its members as having God-like prerogatives. I must be, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has appointed itself the supreme authority in these matters (much like Muslims appoint themselves God), a bigot and hate-monger.

Robert, why haven't you and Pamela responded to the SPLC's libel against you? Your silence lets them win.

Here is something how about the free world putting a fatwa on the heads of all these imams calling for fatwas on everybody else. These imams are the head of the sneak. They call for Muslims to do their bidding while they sit on their butts calling for death through out the world. How about eradicating these vermin from the face of the earth? They each believe themselves to be the enlightened ones when in fact they live in darkness and despair, they are the ones with the phobias, they are the ones that need a good lesson in manners. They have become the vile of the earth, they are the wolves not even dressed in sheep clothing. They are right out there for all to
see. Wake up free world speak out and take notice like Robert, Pamela, Wafa, Simon, and many others have done. Don't let up
this is probably the most important responsibility we have today. This is the new Hitler and the Nazis revisited. We can stop it by exposing it NOW. Stand for the truth as Robert has done and do your work.

"...the free world putting a fatwa on the heads of all these imams calling for fatwas on everybody else."

Agreed! Make the ISSUERS of fatwas subject to punishment that exactly mirrors the fatwas they issue. The underlying legal justification should be based on secular laws that explicitly reject Shariah reasoning and rationale.

Whoa. I insult Mohammed all the time, so it sounds like this skullcap dude is calling for other Moslems to keel me. Next time I venture into Eden Prairie this guy's gonna be tip-toeing on eggshells. A rough town lousy with people very unhappy with the prevailing way of life here.

*** 33:21 ***

But all I ever do is point out the facts about Mohammed, that much regaled historical figure whom the late, grate, Tim Russell publicly referred to as the "Holy Prophet Mohammed." Is that a crime? Not what the craven Tim said, but my insulting Mohammed.

I call on Janet Napolitano rat here rat now to provide me an armed security security cordon. You know, guys in sunglasses who look like non-disgruntled veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. That's her sworn duty, and I'm demanding that she make good on her promise.

If you can't disrespect Islam what can you disrespect? Without the ability to disrepect and discriminate, one has no tool for Quality Control.

Every non-muslim by definition is insulting Muhammad because they are saying that they don't believe that he was a prophet.

So, according to the sheikh, all non-muslims need to be killed.

How ever could anyone get the idea that Islam is a psychpathic ideology.

Islam is utterly devoid of truth and power. Its exists only by exerting terror on its adherents and anyone else in its poximity!

Islam is not devoid of power. Otherwise how can one explain its hold on minds and hearts of a billion or so people? It has terrible, satanic power - the power to corrupt the soul of man and turn him into a spiritual zombie.
And the overwhelming majority of muhammedans are not following islam out of fear, but because the innate to man love of truth has been eradicated from their hearts in their infancy and replaced by worship of ruthless and absolute power in which they want to have part, however small. They are made spiritual cripples by their crippled parents and they can not but keep on crippling their offspring since the time of muhammad. Evil is real and powerful. Islam is only one of the ways it sustains itself.

one who insults Muhammad must be killed, but not one who insults Allah.

mohammed (Fleas be upon him) was a child raping, camel stealing, murdering fraud.

The allah, whose praises he sings, is a two-bit desert djin; a pathetic excuse for a false god.

Molon Labe, MFs.

The way the interview should have ended -

"And you make this ruling based on the teachings of Mohammed?"
"Of course."
"So it is reasonable to say that the penalty for insulting Allah is LESS than the penalty for insulting Mohammed?"
"Well... yes."
"Why is that?"
"Moahmmed said so."
"Can't argue with that. Well folks, that's it for now. Next up, the so-called "Logical Fallacies, and why they don't apply to Islam."

Its much worse than you think it is:

The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorised as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed.

Allah says, "Those who harm Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Next, and has prepared for them a humiliating punishment." (33:57). He said something similar about those who kill the believers. Part of the curse on them in this world is that they are killed. Allah says, "Cursed they will be. Wherever they are found, they are seized and all slain." (33: 61) He mentions the punishment of those who fight, "That is humiliation in this world for them." (5:45) "Killing" (qatl) can have the meaning of "curse".[6] Allah says, "May the conjecturers be killed!" (51:11) and "May Allah fight them! How they are perverted!" (9:30) i.e. may Allah curse them.

This is because there is a difference between their harming Allah and His Messenger and harming the believers. Injuring the believers, short of murder, incurs beating and exemplary punishment. The judgement against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe - the death penalty.

Allah says, "No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they have you judge between them in what they disagree about." (4:65) He removes the badge of belief from those who find an impediment in themselves against accepting the Prophet’s judgement and do not submit to him. Anyone who disparages him is opposing his judgement.

Allah says, "O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet and be not loud in your speech to him as you are loud to one another lest your actions fail." (49:3). Such an action only comes about through disbelief and the unbeliever is killed.

Allah says, "When they come to you, they greet you with a greeting which Allah never greeted you with." Then He says, "Jahannam is enough for them, an evil homecoming." (58:9)

Allah says, "Among them are those who harm the Prophet and say that he is all ear," (9:61) and, "Those who harm the Messenger of Allah have a painful punishment." (9:63)

Allah says, "If you ask them, they will say, 'We were only plunging and playing.' Say, 'What, were you then mocking Allah, His signs and His Messenger? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after your belief."' (9:67-68) The commentators say, "You have disbelieved" refers to what they have said about the Messenger of Allah.

We have already mentioned the consensus. As for the traditions, al-Husayn ibn 'Ali related from his father that the Messenger of Allah said in respect of this matter, "Whoever curses a Prophet, kill him. Whoever curses my Companions, beat him."[7]

In a sound hadith the Prophet commanded that Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf be killed. He asked, "Who will deal with Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf? He has harmed Allah and His Messenger." He sent someone to assassinate him without calling him to Islam, in distinction to other idol-worshippers. The cause of that lay in his causing harm to the Prophet. That indicates that the Prophet had him killed for something other than idol-worship. It was for causing harm. Abu Rafi,' who used to harm the Messenger of Allah and work against him, was also killed.

Similarly on the Day of the Conquest, he ordered the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls who used to sing his curses on the Prophet.

In another hadith about a man who used to curse the Prophet, the Prophet said, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Khalid said, "I will," so the Prophet sent him out and he killed him.

Similarly the Prophet commanded that a group of unbelievers who used to injure and curse him, like an-Nadr ibn al-Harith and 'Uqba ibn Abi Mu'ayt, be killed. He promised that a group of them would be killed before and after the conquest. They were all killed except for those who hurried to become Muslim before they were overpowered. Al-Bazzar related from Ibn 'Abbas that 'Uqba ibn Abi Mu'ayt cried out, "O company of Quraysh, why is it that I alone among you am to be killed without war?" The Prophet said, "For your disbelief and your forging lies against the Messenger of Allah."

'Abdu'r-Razzaq mentioned that a man cursed the Prophet, causing the Prophet to say, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Az-Zubayr said, "I will." He sent az-Zubayr and he killed him.

It is related that a woman used to curse the Prophet and he said, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Khalid ibn al-Walid went out and killed her.

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec2.htm

Bookmark it for future references!

A typical muslim, no more no less, a moon idol worshipper, may allah give him his blessings

That's why Islam is about most savage Arabic Slavery and Imperialism. The Devil is Islam and Mohammed's god, thus is why Mohammed preaches that being PREDATORY bloodthirsty including towrads innocent huamn beings, is to be encouraged in Islam! Islam, is indeed a most savage Satanic Arabic cult, through and through, as created by that Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in order to construct pure Arabian kingdom and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god, especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws!

Yet again, I am reminded: where is the forgiveness in Islam?

So, according to the sheikh, all non-muslims need to be killed.

The demonic sheikh is merely conveying the doctrine of satanic islam to his zombie flock. The islamic clergy are the most dangerous men on earth. They should all be rounded up and dumped on a remote island in the middle of nowhere and let the 'faithful' figure out islam for themselves since it's so simple and easy to understand. The zombies would eventually lose interest if there was nobody around to tell them what and how to think and who to hate and kill.

I don't know how anyone could defend islam as a legitimate religion when its focus is not on innocently worshipping a deity but on hating, killing and conquering to please a deity. Islam should be illegal because it is a deadly threat to everyone who is not a muslim. That is not a violation of the First Amendment, it is self-preservation.

'Muhammad' was/is clearly a tool of the devil...we see the evil of him daily.

The ostensible "prophet" Muhammad is dead, and has been, if he existed at all, for more than 13 centuries. It is logically impossible to insult someone who is dead (that long). Then again, Islam is not based on logic, reason, or commonsense.

For that matter, someone who claimed to be the caboose of the monotheistic prophet train, and to preach the same messages as Jesus and Moses, violated, by my count, at least half of the Ten Commandments. So, one cannot truly insult a fraudster of this magnitude.

It would make sense that Mohamed out ranks Allah if Allah is female. It would also account for the contradictions in the Koran.

Oh dear, I've upset the feminists! The very ones who say nothing about the doctrine of evil.

Well yes, Islam is a religion of peace. So, if you insult big mo then you will have peace. Whether you want it or not. Now Obama said to respect Islam which must mean he respects it. Anyone who can respect this religion must disrespect everything else. Islam does so its followers must also.

Islam does not respect our laws or Constitution. Obama, respecting Islam, must also not respect our laws and Constitution. So, when he was sworn in and said he would defend the Constitution he lied.

But since he has lied about everything else in his life this should be no big surprise.

Well, I suppose insulting the prophet of Islam is about calling him "pedophile, murderer, robber, rapist" etc. It is now routinely done on anti-Jihadist websites.

I suspect there are many more possible insults of the prophet of Islam. But it would be outrageous that just denying his prophethood would be an insult. That is tantamount to not accepting other religions and beliefs who of necessity must deny it.

This sheikh said that "we" kill those who insult the prophet of Islam. And that repentance of the insulter would not help and that "the ruler" had no right to forgive an insulter.

But was the Sheikh talking about all the world? All humans? Or Only about Egypt or about all "Islamic territory"?

Or only about all self-professed Muslims? (So NOT the ex-Muslims!). This last would be acceptable, wouldn't it? I mean, if one remains willingly in Islam, then one must follow it's rules.

But if this Sheikh was talking about non-Muslims and ex-Muslims too, that right there makes him anti-democratic, tyrannical theocratic. Yet he of course calls himself a Muslim and he asserts, claims to know what Islam is and wants.

In my mind with this he has tainted all Muslims. I hope in future we can use the countless instances like this sheikh on this video to hold Muslims accountable for what these guys assert/ claim about Islam.

Because they are unable to throw him out of their organisation. But they should be considered able to then get themselves of HIS organisation, adopt a new name, adopt a clear acceptable and changeable Islamic doctrine-version, start a new organisation is which this Sheikh is refused as member. (Although repentance from him should be accepted.)

Those Muslims who refuse this must in the far future be told that they belong to an organisation that is harboring violent tyrannical anti-democrats. Which is unacceptable in a democratic society. This is what I hope for.

Muhammad was the true godhead of the muhammadans. Allah was just a poor excuse for Muhammad to steal, murder rape and extort. Allah was just Mo's sock puppet.
In his book The Shadow of the Prophet (ISBN 0813339022) Milton Viorst wrote on page 164:
"So vast were the powers that God conveyed to the prophet's in the Quran, al-Shafi argued, and so great Muhammad's wisdom that he clearly outranked other sources of law. Al-Shafi even had the audacity to hold that when the Prophet's hadith differed from the written rules of the Quran, Muhammad had the authority to overrule God. Al-Shafi argued that the Prophet, as God's delegate, had established traditions to cover all aspects of human conduct".
Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi was the founder of the Shafi'í figh school.

Raven

you observed "Every non-muslim by definition is insulting Muhammad because they are saying that they don't believe that he was a prophet.

So, according to the sheikh, all non-muslims need to be killed."

It's not far off that.

Here is something interesting that I found in the online comments to an article by an Australian newspaper columnist (one Carolyn Overington, of The Australian) two years ago, in January 2009, at the time when the Israelis were giving a well-deserved drubbing to Jihad Fortress Gaza, and all the world's Jew-haters, Muslim and non-Muslim, were having collective hysterics about it on the streets of the cities of most of the free world.

It is the poster's own personal account of his conversation with a group of Muslims who were in one of those 'kill the Jooz!' marches that was held in *his* street.

The link I saved, no longer works. But I copied the comment in its entirety, with the poster's nom de plume.

'Jonathan Whybird
Mon 19 Jan 09 (05:24pm)

'Excellent article Carolyn. I note the earlier poster who said that he/she has sent the article in question [that is, a ferociously antisemitic piece which appeared in the Melbourne 'Age', and which Ms Overington had just neatly demolished - dda] to the Anti-Discrimination Commission. I think The Australian should do this itself and report on the outcome - it would be very very interesting.

'Marcus (the expert on everything) [that is, another talkbacker - dda] I cannot agree with your view that most of the Palestinians are peaceful people.

'On Saturday [17th Jan] in Brisbane there was another demonstration in favour of Palestine at which anybody who bothered to go (I live in the city and they marched in my street so I had a front row ground level seat as my fiance and I had come back from a run) would have heard Muslim Australians chanting “kill the jews”.

' I even spoke to one protestor who confirmed he was Muslim and from Iran who said there would only be peace when Israel and the rest of the west was destroyed.

'Now this man was supported by many of his fellow protestors who screamed with him, but for three men in the crowd who shook their heads and at that point left the protest (and apologised to us for the comments of the others) {hmm: dhimmis suddenly getting a wake-up call? or Slow Jihadists engaging in a bit of belated Damage Control? - dda].

'**When I asked the man why he hated the west he said “because you reject the prophet”** {my emphasis - dda}.

'Please explain to me how this sort of behaviour should be tolerated?

'Also why is it that two weekends in a row have seen protests in their thousands against Israel - but the muslim community was silent over september 11, bali and London?'

END.

Well, there it is - 'When I asked the [Muslim] man why he hated the west he said “because you reject the prophet”.

That's **all** it takes to trigger the Jihad.

Saying NO to Islam, refusing to regard Ha-Meshugga (The Mad One - what Maimonides called Mohammed...) as a 'prophet'...refusing to become Muslim...this is, in the eyes of Muslims like that Muslim man in Brisbane who had just been screeching 'Kill the Jews!', a sufficient reason to **hate** us. And to make war upon us. To punish us for not bowing to Mohammed the Mad.


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