In a sane world, in the wake of these arrests the Muslim community would be working to reassure the FBI of its loyalty to the U.S., and working with agents to identify and track jihadists and jihad sympathizers. Instead, the FBI is rushing to assure Muslims that they weren't rude while arresting men who are accused of financing jihad terrorism and murder. Is jihad mass murder "rude"?
"Imam Arrests Show Shift In Muslim Outreach Effort," by Dina Temple-Raston for NPR, July 19 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
[...] To understand the events that unfolded two months ago in Miami, you need to know that one of the most volatile things that can happen in a Muslim-American community is the arrest of a religious leader, the imam. Back in May, the FBI's Miami field office ended up arresting two of them: Imam Hafiz Khan and his son, Izhar Khan. They were charged along with several other members of the Khan family with financing terrorism in Pakistan.Hafiz Khan is the leader of the Miami Mosque in west Miami — the oldest mosque in South Florida. His son runs the Masjid Jamaat al-Mumineen Mosque in Margate, Fla., just outside Miami. What makes these particular arrests unusual is the way the local Muslim community reacted to them: The arrests didn't spark outrage or demonstrations. Instead, the way they were handled is being lauded as a model for the way law enforcement and communities should work together. [...]
"At 6 o'clock in the morning, we have the first prayer of the morning, and it was a little before 6 o'clock, like five minutes before," says Sayeed Shamin Akhtar, standing outside the Miami Mosque. He was there the morning the elder Khan was arrested. "After the prayer started, then someone banged on the door like 'boom, boom, boom.' FBI-style of course, you can understand."
Akhtar was on his knees in the very first row of the prayer hall. "We were all sitting down and standing up and thinking of God and God was looking at us and we were just praying," he said.
While the people inside were praying, more than a dozen agents in their FBI windbreakers had surrounded the mosque. Local police had pitched in. They cordoned off a two-block area in the neighborhood. The Miami Mosque is an ordinary-looking, one-story stucco house in the middle of a quiet, residential neighborhood. Without knowing it was a mosque, one would drive right by it. That Saturday, once the prayers had finished, an agent and a translator approached the imam.
"[The agent] came into the masjid with his shoes off. And he went straight to the imam. He grabbed his hand, and he said, 'You're coming with me,' in Pashto," Akhtar said. (Khan's native language is Pashto.)
The people in the mosque that morning were stunned. "Like a bolt of lightning had happened," Akhtar said.
Gillies, the FBI agent in charge, had been standing outside, and he watched as officers put Khan into a squad car and drove away. Then he picked up his cellphone and started dialing up leaders in the community. One of the people he phoned was Mohammad Shakir, who works for the Office of Community Advocacy in Miami-Dade County.
"The FBI was decent enough that they called us before they called the press," Shakir said. "On the phone, he said, 'Look, this has taken place. I personally was there. I supervised it. I made sure that everything goes by the book. No violation. No rudeness. No discrimination. Not to violate the mosque sanctity.' So we immediately called a meeting and got together and developed a strategy how to respond."
This may all sound like common sense, but these kinds of arrests rarely happen this way. The Muslim community is usually left to sort through rumor and innuendo. It is caught flat-footed when the media call for comment. The worst-case scenarios are often embraced as fact, and it often takes weeks to sort fact from fiction.
In the Miami case, there was a lot of attention to detail. The FBI waited for the morning prayers to end. The agent took off his shoes before entering the mosque. The FBI didn't arrest or handcuff the imam inside the mosque. The leaders in the Muslim community were kept informed. In fact, they saw a copy of the indictment before the media did, and Gillies called them just minutes after the arrest....
Is there any freaking sanctity to violate in a Mosque? http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mosque-blight.html
Financing Jihad terror ain't something the FBI can take seriously. Everybody knows that the big money for that critical function comes from the 3,000 princes producing all that wealth over in Arabia.
I don't think the special agents were very happy about having to make an arrest at a mosque. The equivalent would be having to bust a priest at a cathedral on a Sunday morning for financing an ad campaign against abortion.
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Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: "Wipe the infidels out to the last."
It's good to know our public servants toiling in the FBI are able to keep things in perspective. This is called official maturity. Or officially called maturity, or something like that.
All the mosques in USA should be shut down immediately. These are terror centers and imams only teach hatred and sedition against USA. No need to be PC about it - facts are facts and they don't need any defense. When CAIR spokesman says Islam in USA is not there to be one of the religions but a religion to dominate USA then you know the true intentions of Muslims in USA. Their intentions of dominating us should be taken care of now before it's too late. Or is too late already?
"Instead, the FBI is rushing to assure Muslims that they weren't rude."
Well, you can see that they are working together on SOMETHING.
I like the way the FBI handled the arrest.
It's a win-win situation. The FBI and law enforcement doesn't lose anything by bringing the Muslim community into the picture. They may open up avenues where the Muslim community is more willing to report possible jihadi activity. But, even if they aren't, the FBI is no worse than it would have been.
To understand the events that unfolded two months ago in Miami, you need to know that one of the most volatile things that can happen in a Muslim-American community is the arrest of a religious leader, the imam.
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Why isn't it the case where one of the "most volatile things that can happen" in a Muslim-American community is to find out that you Imam is funding Jihad terror?
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Back in May, the FBI's Miami field office ended up arresting two of them: Imam Hafiz Khan and his son, Izhar Khan. They were charged along with several other members of the Khan family with financing terrorism in Pakistan.
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In a Muslim country, yet! You would assume there wouldn't even be the solace that they were just murdering filthy Kuffars...
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Hafiz Khan is the leader of the Miami Mosque in west Miami — the oldest mosque in South Florida. His son runs the Masjid Jamaat al-Mumineen Mosque in Margate, Fla., just outside Miami. What makes these particular arrests unusual is the way the local Muslim community reacted to them: The arrests didn't spark outrage or demonstrations. Instead, the way they were handled is being lauded as a model for the way law enforcement and communities should work together.
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Please note: "outrage and demonstrations" are *now considered the norm* as a reaction from the Muslim community when Muslims are arrested for Jihad. Why isn't this journalist concerned about this? Also, notice the implication that this reaction is—somehow—the fault of law enforcement, not of the "Muslim community" or of the Jihadists themselves.
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"At 6 o'clock in the morning, we have the first prayer of the morning, and it was a little before 6 o'clock, like five minutes before," says Sayeed Shamin Akhtar, standing outside the Miami Mosque. He was there the morning the elder Khan was arrested. "After the prayer started, then someone banged on the door like 'boom, boom, boom.' FBI-style of course, you can understand."
Akhtar was on his knees in the very first row of the prayer hall. "We were all sitting down and standing up and thinking of God and God was looking at us and we were just praying," he said.
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Good grief. The implication is that while they were innocently praying, they were being surrounded by FBI agents. Why isn't the concern that they were being led by a Jihadist Imam?
Notice the sneering at "FBI style", as well. How boorish! However, having a Jihadist Imam is, one assumes, not troubling at all...
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While the people inside were praying, more than a dozen agents in their FBI windbreakers had surrounded the mosque. Local police had pitched in. They cordoned off a two-block area in the neighborhood. The Miami Mosque is an ordinary-looking, one-story stucco house in the middle of a quiet, residential neighborhood. Without knowing it was a mosque, one would drive right by it.
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If they were arresting a Rabbi or a Priest for, say, embezzlement, would it be necessary to *cordon off a two-bloc area*? Or to use the FBI, for that matter? Why is this insanity now considered almost routine? (Also, arresting religious leaders for *any reason* is pretty rare—except with Islam).
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That Saturday, once the prayers had finished, an agent and a translator approached the imam.
"[The agent] came into the masjid with his shoes off. And he went straight to the imam. He grabbed his hand, and he said, 'You're coming with me,' in Pashto," Akhtar said. (Khan's native language is Pashto.)...
Gillies, the FBI agent in charge, had been standing outside...
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How much risk did this agent put himself in, having to arrest this Imam alone and in his stocking feet, with no backup in the mosque itself? This is *insane*.
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The people in the mosque that morning were stunned. "Like a bolt of lightning had happened," Akhtar said.
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What were they stunned by? That the FBI had entered the mosque? That their Imam was arrested? That their Imam is suspected of funding violent Jihad? Who knows?
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Then he [Gillies] picked up his cellphone and started dialing up leaders in the community. One of the people he phoned was Mohammad Shakir, who works for the Office of Community Advocacy in Miami-Dade County.
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Here's what the meretricious Shakir had to say about the "good Imam":
"Every time I attended his mosque, the sermons never had a political tone," Mohammad S. Shakir, director of the Miami-Dade Asian Advisory Board, told the Miami Herald. "He came across as a 76-year-old grandfather talking about virtues and what to do and not do within the religion"
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"Do and not do within the religion"—most Infidels would assume he was talking about Wudu washing or fasting during Ramadan. What about his views on Jihad?
Here's a clue:
During a September 2009 conversation with his son Zeb, Khan said "there should be resistance and bombings that would leave no trace and no names" if Sharia were not implemented in Pakistan, the indictment said.
Two months earlier, Khan "called for an attack on the Pakistani Assembly that would resemble the September 2008 suicide bombing of the Marriott hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan," during a conversation with his son Irfan Khan, the indictment said.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2868/south-florida-imams-accused-of-taliban-support
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"The FBI was decent enough that they called us before they called the press," Shakir said. "On the phone, he said, 'Look, this has taken place. I personally was there. I supervised it. I made sure that everything goes by the book. No violation. No rudeness. No discrimination. Not to violate the mosque sanctity.' So we immediately called a meeting and got together and developed a strategy how to respond."
This may all sound like common sense, but these kinds of arrests rarely happen this way. The Muslim community is usually left to sort through rumor and innuendo. It is caught flat-footed when the media call for comment. The worst-case scenarios are often embraced as fact, and it often takes weeks to sort fact from fiction.
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Give them a chance for organized "damage control". How many candid statements are lost when they give "community leaders" the heads-up before law enforcement or the media can speak with them?
While it may otherwise 'take weeks' to sort fact from fiction, this way much of the truth likely will never come out at all.
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In the Miami case, there was a lot of attention to detail. The FBI waited for the morning prayers to end. The agent took off his shoes before entering the mosque. The FBI didn't arrest or handcuff the imam inside the mosque. The leaders in the Muslim community were kept informed. In fact, they saw a copy of the indictment before the media did, and Gillies called them just minutes after the arrest....
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And now, law enforcement will get perfect cooperation from the "Muslim community"—right?...sarc/off
The mosque sanctity?
Muslims should rather worry about their Prophet's sanctity.
Check out how did Gabriel (the angel) open Muhammad's heart (literally) to cleanse it...again and again and again !!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/saint-and-sinner.html
National Public Radio, a rather leftish bastion, unintentionally reveals something odd about Islam. Above, NPR writes:
To see how strange that statement is, try to imagine if it were talking about other religions:
Oh yeah, we see rabbis getting arrested and hauled out of synagogues regularly...not.Or how 'bout this:
What about those swamis, proclaiming cosmic love for all beings, and the FBI regularly has to come in and handcuff them...not. Or how 'bout:Such a common event...uh huh.The question PC-leaning folk might do well to ask themselves is why arrests among Muslim religious leaders are so frequent that even leftish NPR can't help accidentally revealing Islam's unique place among religions: Muhammad imbued Islam with totalitarian theocratic ambition which he sought to realize by various means including terror.
In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said,
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
"Mosque sanctity"
Now this an oxymoron for you.
Aren't mosques the places where Muslims and their imams kill fellow Muslims by knives,guns and bombs on regular basis? Just look at the news from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, and all other Islamic hell holes. Just in the last year one can record a large number of such cases. So much for the sanctity of the mosque.
And here the FBI is taking off their shoes to preserve the "sanctity" of the mosque. I guess the mosque should not be soiled before the murders take place!!!
>"Why isn't the concern that they were being led by a Jihadist Imam?"
All Muslims very well know all imams are jihadis or they wouldn't be imams. That being a given there is no concern among Muslims about their imam being a jihadi. However their concern is that the the kuffars found out their imamis a jihadi!! They are busted as usual!
I think that it is best that the FBI and other LE agencies handle these cases in this manner whenever they can.
Doing so gives them cover for the cases where they can't.
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CAIR: The recent arrest of _____ in _____ was an insult to Muslims!
FBI: We meant no insult. We always try to act with dignity, as the past arrests of _____ and ____ and ...and...and...and...and...and...and...all show.
In this case we were not able to follow our normal policy due to these unusual circumstances:....
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The only real criticism anyone could have of the FBI is that of equal protection of the law: will non-Muslims be treated with the respect when they are arrested? As APF pointed out in the first post on this thread, the answer should be yes.
Quite so, Jaladhi. That was the point I was making.
I heard the NPR piece this morning; although I am middle of the road on many of these issues (don't always agree with Spencer or JW, but read it regularly), I was disgusted by the emphasis on taking off shoes, acting respectful, how cooperative Muslims are...
No information on what actually happened or why these two were arrested. Very biased reporting. I wish NPR - a fairly decent news organization in some areas - would just tell the fact and let me decide. But the FBI was bizarrely politically correct, and made a big point about how respectful they are.
I'm glad I don't live in a police state, but at some point it seems more like weakness than strategy.
I guess these guys are just doing a job and don't want any headaches.
Thesse most stupid FBI agents rather commit treason to the US and majority American people, than to deal firmly with Muslim terrorists! I suspect the FBI is bowing to its real master, Caliph Hussein Obama, that suspected agent and Trojan horse of the Muslim Brotherhood!
Greetings:
As a recovering printer, I very much subscribe to that bit of folk wisdom that says "good management is what works". But on the other hand, there's Mr. Orwell's observation that "All animals are equal; some animals are more equal." And, lastly, there's that old Doobie Brothers' album entitled "What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits".
Certainly, effecting an arrest without unnecessary disruption is a good thing. I don't quite understand why the arrest had to be done at the mosque, so there's probably a bit more to the history. But, what I do believe is that Muslims do seen to have a propensity, when one gives them an inch, to take a yard or two. The FBI may actually be contributing to the Muslim supremacy fantasy by encoding a Muslim arrest procedure. I can foresee our Muslims bothers and sisters, the latter being those human beings at the back of the sanctified mosque, at some point in the future, chastising the FBI either for not following the Miami Mosque procedures or for not introducing even more kowtowing into them.
Their twigs are just oh so bent.
Having served many arrest and search warrants over the years, I can tell you this is the last thing you want to do: play nice for those you're about to take down.
It creates waaaay too many officer safety problems to be balanced by any "good" it might do as all the Muslim asses in the building are kissed and their knobs polished.
Furthermore, it creates a bad precedent. Since one search has now been conducted this way, with special treatment given because of religion, it's just a matter of time before some dirt-bag claims his 4th and 14th Amendment rights were violated because he didn't get the same treatment as the Muslim down the street. All it then takes is one liberal judge to throw out all the evidence taken in the search and bad-guy after bad-guy does the same thing, and we have chaos.
Mohammad Shakir, who works for the Office of Community Advocacy in Miami-Dade County.
Graven, what are the odds that Mohammad is cashing taxpayer dollar checks to put food on his Moslem table? I'd lay the odds for that being so as a prohibitive favorite.
No matter which way you look at it the FBI behaved as perfect Dhimmis and bowed down & submitted to their islamic "superiors"....spit.
Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:
Mohammad Shakir, who works for the Office of Community Advocacy in Miami-Dade County.
Graven, what are the odds that Mohammad is cashing taxpayer dollar checks to put food on his Moslem table? I'd lay the odds for that being so as a prohibitive favorite.
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Right you are, APF. The "Office of Community Advocacy" seems to be an official committee of Miami-Dade County.
Here's their PC "mission statement":
"The Office of Community Advocacy (OCAd) is charged with making Miami-Dade County 'One Community' that embraces our diverse enriched and unique population."
And what could possibly be more "enriched" than Jihadi Imams? sarc/off
There's only one point where "The Office of Community Advocacy" has fallen down on the job. It has an alphabet soup of boards—an Asian-American Advisory Board (AAAB), a Black Affairs Advisory Board (BAAB), a Commission for Women (CFW), and a Hispanic Affairs Advisory Board (HAAB)—but so far, no Muslim-specific group. They're just part of the catch-all, "Community Relations Board (CRB)".
I imagine Mohammad Shakir is on the case, though.
Here's my suggestion for the Muslim board:
Muslim Advisory for Dhimmitude, Naïvité, Enabling—and Supremacy and Shari'ah (MADNESS).
http://www.miamidade.gov/advocacy/home.asp
When the US President apologizes to the worst mass murderers in history, locals do the same thing.
Pick the next President at random out of a phone directory.
Some interesting articles on the normal and historic functions of the mosque, or Mohammedan Mob Gang Hideout.
First, an ex-Muslim, writing about the meaning of the mosque - 'Inside the Forbidden Fortress'.
http://pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com/2006/02/inside-forbidden-fortress.html
"...mosques were actually not just places of worship but also the places for Moslems to gather for any reason deemed necessary.
"Mosques are the place where Moslems used to gather not just to pray, but to listen to Mohammed (or another appropriately devout follower of Muhammed) harangue the faithful, prepare for battles/wars, and most importantly, to store weapons and captured booty.
"If in the event a Moslem-controlled settlement or town was ever assaulted by a non Moslem force, the mosque would be the location most important for the infidels to capture.
"The mosques of yesteryear (and this is still true to this day in many places) are literally strongholds, fortresses designed to resist attack.
"Whoever controls the mosque controls in fact the surrounding area-- something the coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq hopefully are already aware of.
"Thusly, mosques are typically a stoutly-built complex of rooms, which are used for housing any required jihadists to defend the structure, as well as any required supplies to resist/endure a siege. During less violent times, this space was given over to the local mullah, his wives, children, slaves and concubines, and other booty captured from the infidels in past battles.
"Today, in some places, mosques are not used for all these purposes.
"But in many parts of the world (namely the Middle East and other places in the Islamic world) the mosque still plays an important role.
"The mosque is not just a hall; it is ‘the Pentagon’ where Moslems plot and plan the ongoing jihad against the non Moslems...
"Being in a mosque gives me an odd feeling inside that’s tough to put into words.
"Every mosque I've been in (and that's a fair number) has a feeling of submission about it.
"By submission, I mean that everyone in this place has had their identity essentially destroyed by the straitjacket that is Islam. It is all quiet, but it isn't the peaceful sort of quiet. There is no peace—there is, rather, a palpable sense of fear...
"If you ever get the chance of hearing a mullah, do listen to him closely, if you can understand.
"You will surely hear words like ‘May Allah destroy the infidels and give their possessions to us’, especially on Fridays.
"I've heard such things many times in a mosque, more times than I can count.
"In some parts of the world that prayer is actually written on the front wall of the mosque.
"There used to be a custom when the mullah used to give the sermon with a sword in his hand.
"Many carry that tradition till this day, but some have toned it down by holding a cane instead of a sword. Cane or sword, it still symbolizes the absolute jihadist nature of Islam.
"The words ‘Islam is a religion of peace, harmony and tolerance’ immediately lose all meaning upon entering a mosque.
"In any mosque, there is no peace, there is no harmony and there is no tolerance for anything but Moslems and Islam.
"The Moslems whom you may have met an hour before and who said they are against the jihadis and what they’re doing, those very Moslems shout out loud, ‘death to infidels’ in their neighborhood mosques. Not just once or twice, but as a matter of course.
The very Moslem who tells you, ‘you have a beautiful son, God bless him’ will go to the mosque and pray for the same ‘son’ to be killed so that the religion of his Allah can take over."
Another article, by a wide-awake American of Indian non-Muslim background, Vijay Kumar:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/vijay-kumar-the-muslim-mosque-a-state-within-a-state.html
Vijay Kumar: The Muslim mosque: A state within a state
More on the mosque: an interview with apostate-from-Islam, 'Sam Solomon':
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/28331
Friday, 2 July 2010
What is a Mosque? Vlad Tepes Interview with Sam Solomon
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/28874
Saturday, 31 July 2010
'What is a Mosque? An Interview with Sam Solomon
by Jerry Gordon .
And a Jewish Israeli geographer, talking about the way in which mosques are placed, over against the non-Muslim 'Other'.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710820237&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Apr 29, 2009 20:29 | Updated Apr 30, 2009 18:09
"More than a coincidence: Minarets, geography and power"
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN
"The building of new mosques has become an issue throughout European cities, from Munich to London. In some places, such as Italy, Switzerland and Greece, governments have struggled to prevent their erection. Yet while there is controversy over their very construction, there is usually very little questioning about why they are built where they are built.
"A survey of historical placement of mosques in important cities and newly conquered Muslim lands, as well as a survey of the placement of mosques in diverse neighborhoods, shows that their placement is anything but random and that strikingly often they are built next to the houses of prayer or the neighborhoods of non-Muslims...
"THE MOSQUE and its minaret are symbols of power. The giant brick tower of Qutb Minar in Delhi is 72 meters high and until recent times was the world's tallest minaret. It was constructed by the sultans of Delhi to celebrate their victory and conquest of the city.
"Even in more obscure locations, the building of minarets has served as an expression of power and influence.
"The center of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem has long been the Hurva Synagogue which was constructed and reconstructed several times between 1700 and the present. But attached to this great synagogue is a mosque whose minaret is intentionally taller than the Hurva's dome.
"The America Colony Hotel in Sheikh Jarrah has a mosque next door to it. The Western Wall of Jerusalem has a mosque perched atop its northern end. The Mount of Olives Jewish graveyard has a mosque which adjoins it. Jeremiah's Grotto in east Jerusalem, which was for a long time a pilgrimage site, now obscured by the east Jerusalem central bus station, also has a mosque at its entrance.
"The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem has a large mosque just across from it on Manger Square, constructed in a town which at the time was 80 percent Christian. A controversy over Muslim attempts to build a mosque next to the Basilica of the Annunciation in Nazareth led to riots in 2002. In each of these cases the mosques were built after the non-Muslim building was constructed.
"The building of mosques is not always an expression of power, **but historically and today in mixed communities mosques are constructed with a view toward the non-Muslim other. ** {my emphasis -dda}
"This author is even familiar with a family of Palestinian communists in the West Bank where a mosque was, not coincidentally, constructed next door to their house"...
Now, the mosque in the featured article may seem to be an exception to this rule:
"The Miami Mosque is an ordinary-looking, one-story stucco house in the middle of a quiet, residential neighborhood. Without knowing it was a mosque, one would drive right by it."
but it might be interesting to find out how far away is the nearest Christian church, school, or other visibly non-Muslim piece of official and/ or social infrastructure.
The other question, of course, is what percentage of the houses in that 'quiet residential neighbourhood' are now inhabited by Muslims.
undaunted,
"Having served many arrest and search warrants over the years, I can tell you this is the last thing you want to do: play nice for those you're about to take down."
I appreciate your service in law enforcement. Thank you. I also appreciate your very informative web site.
How about an in-between, where the agents arrest the imam in the mosque without any special observances, but still keep the Muslim community leaders informed? CAIR is whipping the Muslim community into fear, and many Muslims sincerely believe they are being persecuted and targeted. If you get just one person who feels the FBI is genuinely respectful, it may make the difference between a plot being reported or remaining hidden.
Works for me.
And, thank you, sir.
The purpose of the arrest, in-mosque, was to affect a "search" while in the process of...With the main crime instrument being money, that would have ruffled many a bed-shirt.
I just wonder why they didn't continue?