After blaming me in a front-page story last Monday for the Norway massacre, the New York Times publishes a new piece today that concedes many of my principal points in defending myself against these charges. What will the dhimmi sycophants who have thrown in with the Times' first position do now?
"The Rise of the Macro-Nationalists," by Thomas Hegghammer in the New York Times, July 31 (thanks to all who sent this in):
AT first glance, the 1,500-page manifesto of Anders Behring Breivik, the man accused of the terrorist attacks in Oslo, appears to be a fairly standard ideological treatise of the far right. The document, which Mr. Breivik posted online on July 22 just hours before the attacks and which he titled “2083 — A European Declaration of Independence,” evokes several of the movement’s central themes and cites numerous right-wing ideologues....
A note about this "far right" and "right-wing" business: this is how I am routinely characterized, as are my fellow anti-jihadists -- Hegghammer is merely following the herd. But what is the substance of this mainstream media moniker? Actually, there is no substance to it whatsoever. I have never taken a public position on any other issue besides jihad and Islamic supremacism. I've worked with people who are deeply religious and socially conservative and with people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan are atheists; Geert Wilders' party is not justifiably called "right-wing" on any issue except jihad. Pim Fortuyn was a gay activist. Yet all of us and all the other anti-jihadists I could name are "far right" for the sole reason that we oppose the advance of Islamic law in the West. Yet note that in a spectacular manifestation of intellectual incoherence, the mainstream media also considers "far right" those who want to see Islamic law advance in the West and everywhere else -- see, to take just one of many readily available examples, this Associated Press article that calls the pro-Sharia forces in Egypt "ultraconservative."
And that reveals the substance of this media label: something that is "far right" or "right wing" or "conservative" simply means something that the hard-Left politically correct media elites don't like, and don't want you to like. They dislike both anti-jihadists in the West and Sharia supremacists in the Middle East, although they hate the former much more than they do the latter, whom they disapprove of but tolerate. After all, they do have their hatred of America and the West in common.
While Mr. Breivik’s violent acts are exceptional, his anti-Islamic views are not. Much, though not all, of Mr. Breivik’s manifesto is inspired by a relatively new right-wing intellectual current often referred to as counterjihad. The movement’s roots go back to the 1980s, but it gained substantial momentum only after 9/11. Its main home is the Internet, where blogs like Jihad Watch, Atlas Shrugs and Gates of Vienna publish essays by writers like Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bat Ye’or and Fjordman, the pseudonym for a Norwegian blogger. Mr. Breivik’s manifesto is replete with citations of counterjihad writers, strongly suggesting that he was inspired by them.Of course, by advocating the mass murder of European politicians, Mr. Breivik goes much further than any counterjihad ideologue has ever done, and his manifesto contains ideas and information that have no precedent in the counterjihad literature. For example, he provides extensive advice on how to build bombs and plan terrorist attacks. The leading counterjihad writers have virtually never advocated violence, and several of them have condemned Mr. Breivik’s actions....
Virtually? That's weaselly. In fact, we never have. Ever. Still, I appreciate Hegghammer's acknowledgement that Breivik's manifesto contains "ideas and information that have no precedent in the counterjihad literature. For example, he provides extensive advice on how to build bombs and plan terrorist attacks."
It also contains a call to make common cause with jihadists. But this sign of Breivik's own deranged intellectual incoherence doesn't fit the media demonization agenda, and so it has not been widely reported. Hegghammer does say this, however.
Indeed, the more belligerent part of Mr. Breivik’s ideology has less in common with counterjihad than with its archenemy, Al Qaeda. Both Mr. Breivik and Al Qaeda see themselves as engaged in a civilizational war between Islam and the West that extends back to the Crusades. Both fight on behalf of transnational entities: the “ummah” — or “community” of all Muslims — in the case of Al Qaeda, and Europe in the case of Mr. Breivik. Both frame their struggle as defensive wars of survival. Both hate their respective governments for collaborating with the outside enemy. Both use the language of martyrdom (Mr. Breivik calls his attack a “martyrdom operation”). Both call themselves knights, and espouse medieval ideals of chivalry. Both lament the erosion of patriarchy and the emancipation of women....
Breivik was concerned with a group of people whom he labelled as 'followers of Islam'. He labelled himself as 'against Islam', which is a legal stance in a free democracy. The unavoidable consequence of his killing all those people is his own label has now changed to 'murdering terrorist' which is not legal and not valid anywhere.
While Mr. Breivik’s violent acts are exceptional, his anti-Islamic views are not.
In one fell swoop, in a seemingly thoughtful observation, we have the views of the Resistance conflated with violence, but in an at least neutral way, if not in a positive light.
Left out of is the fact that what really matters is whether the "anti-Islamic views" are right. And I don't mean in the political sense, I mean in the is-it-factually-accurate sense.
One could copy and paste any number of things into that sentence for a different defendant, to underscore the false correlation:
"While [defendant]'s violent acts are exceptional, his anti-[your party here] views are not."
"While [defendant]'s violent acts are exceptional, his Pastafarian views are not."
"While [defendant]'s violent acts are exceptional, his love of kittens is not."
""While [defendant]'s violent acts are exceptional, his distaste for mixing plaids with stripes is not."
The bottom line is that the violence is Breivik's own invention.
And the press knows that.
As I have a completely normal and healthy DISTRUST OF MSM, I have avoided reading any of the usual ad nauseum regurgitation that is a constant source of fodder for the addled cerebrums of those so-called "leftists" who are really just plain ole Marxists. ESPECIALLY with regard to the violence of this self-proclaimed "Knight," Breivik.
That said, I found this little article a couple of days ago to be quite illuminating: http://www.aina.org/news/20110728100112.htm
And while reading it, I realized that Breivik WAS targeting the future of Norway, the left-leaning youth who WERE AT A "LABOR YOUTH LEAGUE" CAMP tailor made for such idiocy.
But even looking at pictures of those kids holding up signs with "BOICOTT ISRAEL" and getting heartsick and nauseous, I was in NO WAY motivated to commit the heinous acts Breivik did.
For me, clearly, he is just a delusional marginalized white man, who wanted to be "King of the World."
For all the horror of these events, the truth is that GOOD PEOPLE, ie-Robert Spencer, are being targeted as inspiration for Breivik and being insinuated as cohorts, even whilst ignoring Breivik's codice to work with al-Queda and musselmen to further the "cause." What a stupendous mocking bitter irony that must be to Spencer.
I stand with you Spencer... Any normal freedom-loving person does!!
Go on Mr. Spencer. Say it.....You told them so. Didn't you?
If the naive, uneducated, and prejudiced reporters, and editors, of the growingly irrelevant old grey lady, read this following excerpt, from Leon Uris, in old times 1984, from the Haj, a once upon a time Hollywood top star(leftist's favorites) type author, but with true understanding, they would increase their understanding of the fundamentals of West (and Judaism) and Arab(islamism) difference, that of good and evil, fair play versus satanic mindset, honesty versus deviants:
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/29/lessons-from-the-haj/
I'm sick of the evil Left hypocrisy! What to expect -after all, Islam-loving Hitler was a Socialist! It's the Norwegian Left-Labour-Socialist Govt, who's to blamed for causing Breivik to be insane with their hatred of DEMOCRACY, just as the Satanic Islam caused many Muslims to be insane too! The Left and the Muslim Nazis are indeed evil, they are Satanic followers, who love lies instead of truths, with no inner conscience nor consciousness – see http://www.hudson-ny.org/2301/norway-massacre-free-speech
The Norway Massacre and Europe's War on Free Speech
by Soeren Kern
July 28, 2011 at 5:00 am
….But in recent years, the secular purveyors of European multiculturalism have moved far beyond their initial objective of creating an American-style "melting pot." European socialists now view multiculturalism as a means to eliminate the entire Judeo-Christian worldview. This is certainly the case in Spain, where socialists have joined arms with Islam in a "Red-Green Alliance" to confront a common enemy, Christianity, as represented, in this case, by the Roman Catholic Church….
In Norway, large sections of Oslo are being turned into Muslim enclaves subject to Sharia law and to the dictates of local imams. The citizens of Oslo are also struggling to cope with an epidemic of rapes. According to recent statistics, 100% of aggravated sexual assaults which resulted in rapes over the past three years were carried out by Muslim immigrants. Norwegians are now trying to deal with the large-scale torching of automobiles, which, as in France, is being attributed to Muslim youth.
In a Wall Street Journal essay titled "Inside the Mind of the Oslo Murderer," Bruce Bawer, an American analyst who lives in Oslo, writes: "Norway, like the rest of Europe, is in serious trouble. Millions of European Muslims live in rigidly patriarchal families in rapidly growing enclaves where women are second-class citizens, and where non-Muslims dare not venture. Surveys show that an unsettling percentage of Muslims in Europe reject Western values, despise the countries they live in, support the execution of homosexuals, and want to replace democracy with Sharia law. (According to a poll conducted by the Telegraph, 40% of British Muslims want Sharia implemented in predominantly Muslim parts of the United Kingdom.)"
Bawer describes Norway as a country that stands out for its refusal to confront any of the real dangers posed by Islamic radicalism. He also says the failure of mainstream political leaders to responsibly address the challenges posed by Muslim immigration has contributed to the emergence of extremists like Breivik. Pressure cookers without a safety valve eventually will explode.
Bawer writes: "In bombing those government buildings and hunting down those campers, Breivik was not taking out people randomly. He considered the Labour Party, Norway's dominant party since World War II, responsible for policies that are leading to the Islamization of Europe -- and thus guilty of treason....
... the more belligerent part of Mr. Breivik’s ideology ...
Anders Behring Breivik, whatever musings he may have posted, does not have an "ideology," per se. What propelled him was not a set of political tenets but severe delusions of grandeur coupled with an all-consuming, megalomaniac desire to experience complete and absolute power over other human beings, if only for a brief and transitory time. This is the same motive that drove not only other mass murderers such as Jared Loughner but serial killers such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and a host of others. The emninent psychologist Theodore Millon identified several subtypes of the narcissistic personality disorder, one of which -- the "fanatic narcissist" -- seems to fit Breivik to a "T":
Fanatic narcissist -- including paranoid features. An individual whose self-esteem was severely arrested during childhood, who usually displays major paranoid tendencies, and who holds on to an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting delusions of insignificance and lost value, and trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When unable to gain recognition or support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#Millon.27s_subtypes
The writer of this NYT op-ed is desperately trying to hedge with this attempt to push the false paradigm of absurdly-dubbed “macro-nationalism.” It’s a backdoor way for the writer (and, let’s face it, NYT) to say, ‘Ok, we admit it’s not the individual bloggers, but it is the broader category that the bloggers fall into.’ And then, predictably, the op-ed immediately goes on to draw the same old equivalence between this wholly invented “broader category” of macro-nationalism and – you guessed it – Al-Qaeda!
The writer of the article even goes so far as to say that this “macro-nationalist” “doctrine” “represents the closest thing yet to a Christian version of Al Qaeda.” (“Yet.” He’s clearly anticipating more of this supposed Christian terrorism, even though he acknowledges in the next paragraph that Breivik isn’t very religious.)
Don’t be fooled by this idiotic NYT op-ed; this is just a slightly more sophisticated way of once again blaming anti-jihad blogs for Breivik’s actions.
The Far Left are always calling people Far Right. Everybody and his dog is Far Right to them. It`s how they tar people. It`s a scaborous political tactic that they have been engagins in for decades if not centuries.
It is only recently that people are starting to turn it around and refer to Leftists as the Far Left, and man, they don't like it.
The Far Left, the Left Wing, and other Leftists only want to turn the deaths in Norway into a political score. They don`t even care about human life if they can get a score off of them. That`s how low they are over on the Left.
I know we need to beware of turncoats at 'Daily Mail', but at least
Melanie Phillips has something to say there:-
"Hatred, smears and the liberals hell-bent on bullying millions of us into silence"
(by Melanie Phillips)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2020924/Hatred-smears-liberals-hell-bent-bullying-millions-silence.html#ixzz1TjA9KAcO
Slightly OT: did anyone else see the post on GoV where apparently they found two posts Breivik made there in 08 and they have reposted them there to read. I found it creepy but interesting. I started reading there in 05 and may very well have read those at that time. wow
Error to correct, award winning novelist, not a Hollywood star, his novel Exodus, was a top global hit as a film.
Excellent analysis, PW. Divorce at age 1, multiple parents, abandonment at 16, insignificance and lost personal value. World of Warcraft played right into the scenario. Just right on, with his own autobiography! Nice work.
No.
I appreciate that Jihad Watch is a site which does not promote right wing political or social agendas, nor expresses antipathy towards the left. What is of concern here goes to the heart of preserving American freedoms.
If the naive, uneducated, and prejudiced reporters, and editors...
Yeah, TJ, if. On the other hand, what if they're actually a bunch a mealy-mouthed rotten ass bastards intent on their mission to defame whomever Pinch Sulzberger directs them to?
*** 33:21 ***
The once famous Harvard Man fake guru Baba Ram Dass said, Be here now. Well, we're here now, or at least Spencer and his cabal of apparent co-conspirators are here, rat here in the Court of Public Opinion, where they are not so sure of getting a fair hearing.
Sociopathic killers are sociopathic killers. They don't have ideologies, just elaborate excuses.
Here's how CAIR-canada has exploited and raped every dead child in Norway .CAIR crusaded for Shariih Law in canada and used the Taqqiyah Siren Sheema Khan (aka Con-job)and the Egyptian islamic-Supremist Dr.Muhammad Elamsry. Elmasry can be found on a Michael Coren show archive on Youtube video where (elmasry) he states" all israeli's over 18 are valid targets for murder).
Did you see that Robert,because Elmasry is a Prof. at the UofW in Ontario and Michale Coren can fill you in on this nujob . Elmasry has ties to the MSA and CAIR and Maher Arar , Arar's wife is Palestinian and was at a Pro-hamas rally in Ottawa along with Alexa McDonough from the NDP.
The Political bodies and MSM are either too lazy or too stupid research the calims made my people like Khan and Elamsrry. In fact, Coren gave Elamsry 3 changes to recant his assertion but he stuck to it....and not one Charge against him for inciting violnece against Jews in Canada.
Elmasry said " Israeli's" , he did NOT say they had to be inside Israel at the time. AND that's what scared Jewish students at his University which had a pro-hamas Islamic supremist group that was already anti-jew with no fear of he Police or the Dean.
**Here's thet jew-hater spewing Allah's love.**
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBNzIW3cnng
*** CAIR's own website to read it in full*******
http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=3126_0_2_0_C
CAIR-CAN Urges Canadian Mosques to Take Precautions After Norway Attacks
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:46 pm
- For Immediate Release -
CAIR-CAN Urges Canadian Mosques to Take Precautions After Norway Attacks
(OTTAWA – July 27, 2011) A national Muslim civil rights organization today called upon Canadian mosques coast-to-coast to review their security measures following the recent attacks in Oslo, Norway by a right-wing terrorist motivated by anti-Muslim ideology. The 32-year old Norwegian perpetrator said others who share his beliefs were prepared to launch more attacks.
In making the announcement, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN) distributed its "Muslim Community Safety Kit", which highlights steps communities can take to help ensure the safety of their places of worship and congregations.
SEE: Muslim Community Safety Kit
"First and foremost our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of those killed and injured by the barbaric acts of terror committed in Oslo. In the wake of these attacks we are urging mosque administrators to take precautionary measures, review security practices and report any suspicious activity to their local police and the RCMP," said CAIR-CAN Executive Director Ihsaan Gardee.
Since 2010, mosques in Hamilton, Metro Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa, and Waterloo have been vandalized. Gardee noted that many Canadian Muslims observe the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan (slated to begin on or around August 1, 2011*) during which there is an increased emphasis on spiritual practices. This includes attendance at mosques for congregational prayers which tends to increase significantly as the month progresses.
CAIR-CAN further released its 2011 Ramadan Publicity Kit to encourage Muslim communities to share Ramadan with their neighbours, friends and co-workers.
"Along with taking precautionary measures at their mosques, Canadian Muslims should use the opportunity Ramadan presents to expand their outreach and bridge building efforts. Fostering mutual understanding, acceptance and inclusion with their fellow citizens is the best way to combat intolerance and Islamophobia rooted in ignorance or misunderstanding," said Gardee.
CAIR-CAN is a national, non-profit, grassroots organization striving to be a leading voice that enriches Canadian society through Muslim civic engagement and the promotion of human rights.
CONTACT: Ihsaan Gardee, CAIR-CAN Executive Director; 613.254.9704 or 613.853.4111
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Note how this Pro-hamas Org jumps at Muslims with the ALERT intro that canadians are out to kill you and be on guard.
Then they cite the mass murder as if candians did it,and next they finish off by the affirming of he claims when they prompt Muslims to exercise Dawah on us Muslims-Killers.
Sadly, there are many useful-idiots among the muslims that have been segregated into their Shariah Law ghetto's like the Somali's...and thus the Mosques can spew their Friday hatred with bogus islamophobia rants . This is very effective since the Quran indoctrines Muslims with a Paranoia that "They're" out to get Muslims and YOU can't trust them.
Robert:
Pleas ask Michael Coren about Elmasry , and the other Egyptian guest he had that run a TV show because this guy told Michael right to his face that " Christian's have more rights in Egypt that Muslims".
Canada is slowly catching on to the Taqqiyah every since Sheema Khan quit CAIR in 2007 after her official Ties to hamas and the HLF terrorism funding.
ANTI-CAIR website has the (David Harris) story when Khan tried to sue him into silence because she was caught denying that CAIR/CAIR-can were linked. Khan sat on the board for Nihad Awad,and she lied to the CRA and RCMP about CAIR's donations that went to hamas and Hizbollah.
In the summer of the lebanon war i had caught Sheema Khan at the "MuslimFest" event funded by ICNA and CAIR along with DAWAH.net in canada. CAIR was telling Muslims to donate their Zakat to help the islamic struggle against israel's aggression.
The MSM was so pathetic to look into what i discovered, and even worse...i scoured islamic site outside of canada and found a link that Detailed the "Worlshops" for youth to learn Jihad to make canada an islamic State.
But no....I was called the islamophobe and told that Islam=peace and given the usual insults about being "Tolerant" in the new open and diverse canada.
Those in the Left who are in denial about the reality of the Koran will never change,it is human nature.Look at those who believed in Communism even after the evidence of the tens of million of those killed by Communism.
I think even after an atomic bomb destroys a city in the West in the name of Islam they will still say:"There is no problem,it is not Islam,it is poverty."
Screw the Left.
They've inspired far more evil than the Right ever has.
I used to be a hardcore left-wing militant only a few years ago.
Trust me, the Left is full of far more radicals than the Right is.
Lest we forget the long line of violent left-wing extremists.
Go to any major international summit and see for yourself.
It isn't right-wingers wearing all black and face masks and attacking police and local shops.
Right-wingers don't advocate overthrowing the government and implementing their deranged Marxist worldview by force.
In fact, right-wingers barely EVER do anything even remotely militant.
The reason the Tea Party is freaking everyone on the Left out is because they've simply never seen right-wingers take to the streets in protest before.
And Tea Party protests are ALWAYS peaceful and orderly.
We don't even leave litter behind for God sakes.
And who are our foot soldiers? Old ladies in American flag shirts.
Oooh. Be afraid.
The Left - especially the environ-mental Left - have spawned all kinds of violent nutjobs.
A man in Brazil was inspired by Al Gore's "An Inconvienent Truth" and killed himself and his entire family to reduce their carbon footprint.
Another deranged man was also inspired by Al Gore and an environ-mental book about a talking ape and promptly stormed the headquarters of the Discovery Channel holding everyone in the area hostage for hours because he believed humans were a cancer who were destroying Mother Earth. He demanded that the TV station start broadcasting shows advocating human population control and animal rights.
Obama himself was close buddies with a domestic left-wing terrorist who carried out a bombing campaign across America.
And the list just goes on and on.
How DARE you leftists try to exploit this tragedy by getting on your moral high horses to condemn conservative academics who speak out against gross crimines against humanity carried out in islamic communities across the globe on a daily basis.
Gee, maybe some pigs do fly some of the time.
far right, what does it mean if Hitler was a socialist
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/hitler.html
The article is quite correct. "far right" is the label attached by the left to anyone who disagrees with their pronouncements. Was always so.
In the UK the BNP is classed as "far right". I totally agree with Lord Tebbit that the BNP is in fact a very far left party. The one thing that the left find "far right" about the BNP is their opposition to immigration.
The "anti-fascist" UAF? Mmmm. They are the ones who wear masks and use classic Fascist tactics of intimidation and violence to promote their far left views. Their name "Unite Against Fascism" is a misnomer if ever there was one.
Then again of course the label "Far - left or right" is a function of the beliefs of the person applying the label. The other side's beliefs are always wrong of course but nothing in reality is as clear cut as that.
I have been in the trenches fighting tyranny since the mid-1960s and I have come to learn that labels such as "Liberal" and "Conservative" and their "ultra" prefixes have no place or meaning in international politics. Basically, "conservative" means to resist change and "liberal" means to advocate change. If America was ever to become a totalitarian state such as the old Soviet Union was then every TEA Party conservative would become a liberal fighting to change it. The same thing goes in describing Islam because Islam and its proponents of Sharia are all "ultra-conservatives" because they resist change.
As far as Right-Wing and Left-Wing goes, the extreme Left advocate totalitarian government while extreme Right advocate Anarchy, no government at all, but as it was pointed out by Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, the political spectrum should not be illustrated with a straight line graph but with a horseshoe that puts the extreme ends closer together. Anarchy becomes a tool of the Socialists and lends itself to the transition to totalitarianism.
As I have always said, I am not a right-wing extremist, I am just slightly to the right.
I was recently labelled 'extremist' and 'right wing' by a teacher (yup, public school, benefits, pro-Palestinian, Canadian). Hmm, I support a woman's right to abortion, support gay rights, am slightly right of centre on economic policies (less gov't, reduce taxes, support Harper) but SIMPLY BECAUSE I CRITICIZE ISLAM AND MUHAMMAD, I am immediately labelled extremist and right wing. I don't even eat meat that isn't free range b/c I don't want animals to suffer and I volunteer at a wildlife centre. Yeah, I am a real threat and extremist. Lol.
I like Robert Spencer's phrase: "intellectual incoherence" to describe the Left's knee-jerk labelling. I think it is a sign of desperation.
The leftists in the west get really uncomfortable (you can see them squirm. they look like they are constipated too) when black/brown/other non-white people complain about islam and talk about how jihad has killed millions of their countrymen. It doesn't fit into their muslims=victims of racism b.s. It is really amusing to see how the cogs get jammed in their mental gymnastics at that point of the debate.
Robert Spencer's phrase, "intellectual incoherence," is a proper designation that identifies the whole grab-bag of collectivist ideologies. But what I have never accepted is the yardstick by which ideologies are measured and identified today: the left-right one. I am not certain who invented or popularized it, but it is wholly biased to the left (aside from its likely origins in the French Revolution, when debating parties in the Assembly were seated on the right or the left of the president’s dais). If one is sort of socialist, or an environmentalist, or a Democrat, or even a closet Marxist, then the yardstick cuts one some moral slack. But to be deemed of the “right,” is the kiss of death, because then one is put in the company of fascists, syndicalists, anarchists, “conservatives,” and other “heartless” and iron-heeled ideologues. The measurement is invalid, bogus, and fallacious. The Republican Party is as much on the “left” as the Democratic Party; the GOP prefers to “go slow” to reach a socialist paradise, as though sneaking up on turning the country into a totalitarian welfare state will somehow fool reality and avoid repercussions and consequences, and opposes the wholesale and immediate confiscation and regulation of property, lives, and wealth that the Democrats advocate.
The Republicans share the same collectivist and political premises that the Democrats subscribe to. This is also why the GOP is mealy-mouthed about Islam and Sharia law, and why the Democrats are sanctimonious about “tolerating” them.
After blaming me in a front-page story last Monday for the Norway massacre, the New York Times publishes a new piece today that concedes many of my principal points in defending myself against these charges.
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Well, that was big of them. sarc/off
More:
What will the dhimmi sycophants who have thrown in with the Times' first position do now?
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Well, many of them will likely never see it, or else will fail to realize its significance. It has been shown over and over that a retraction—which is basically what this is—makes far less of an impact on readers than the original story.
Of those who *do* notice the story and realize its import, a few of the more honest of the above will acknowledge anti-Jihadists' innocence in this case—but likely far more will simply ignore it in favor of the initial "narrative".
More:
It [Breivik's manifesto] also contains a call to make common cause with jihadists. But this sign of Breivik's own deranged intellectual incoherence doesn't fit the media demonization agenda, and so it has not been widely reported.
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*Very, very important point*. I've been citing this all week. A mass-murderer *willing to ally with Jihadists in order to murder his fellow Europeans* may be many things, but he *is not* an anti-Jihadist.
MSBLUE : I hear you and it may as well be me speaking. I've made many an enemy , caused many a verbal assault and and once started something a little short of a riot . Why ? Because I said Islam, in so many words, sucked. These people that have labeled me a bigot are so prejudiced against anyone NOT LEFT they can't imagine a person being right-wing and decent . They are the product of hippie generation, and when you think of "the citizens ", or "the people" of this nation they consist of just that generation, or age. They grew up thinking anarchy was sort of a humanitarianism, and the misfits of the land should be exhaulted .
Thus, all the manipulating Muslims of the stealth jihad variety , however destructive their intentions, are seen as underdogs. WEll--I refuse to see it that way so I'm a heartless bitch. Some of the website forums I frequent --, which are deep-dyed leftists ,well, it's hard to stay---but I am stuborn .
I know one thing : that "far-right" and "right-wing" are words whose meanings have been distorted . It's come to be that if you want to insult someone you call him "far-right ". That is absurd of course ,but it's gotten so "right" has been made synonymous with "racist", "bigot" anti-Islamic, "Christian fundamentalist" and even "xenophobic " . I keep wondering if it's too late to undo that injustice. It really does a lot of damage -now Breivik has really branded the right as demonic !