From "Respect Islam and we will respect you, Najib tells Christians" by Yow Hong Chieh, The Malaysian Insider, 22 July 2011:
SEPANG, July 22 — The government will engage with Christians groups here that love peace and respect the country’s Islamic leadership, the prime minister said today.Acceptance of Islamic supremacy is, naturally, non negotiable.
Datuk Seri Najib Razak said the Barisan Nasional (BN) government would work with Christians who wished to uphold world peace and harmony as it was committed to the “global movement of moderates”.
“We wish to tell our friends, the Malaysian Christians . . . if they respect us, we will also respect them,” he told some 200 BN supporters at Kompleks Bunga Raya here.
“This is our message. Islam is fair to all. Islam is beautiful, Islam is grand, Islam is pure, Islam is noble.”
Never mind the reams of evidence that conclusively show otherwise.
Putrajaya’s relationship with Christians remains strained following the Home Ministry’s decision to bar the Catholic Church here from using the word “Allah” in the Malay-language version of its newpaper, The Herald.The article implies that the 'strained relationship' is a recent development. It isn't. The Muslim oppression has been going on for a very long time indeed. As a matter of fact, churches in Malaysia were being destroyed at about the same time Muslims destroyed another church in Lower Manhattan.
The case is pending a Home Ministry appeal of the 2009 High Court ruling allowing the church to use the word, which some Muslims argue should be reserved for Islam.
Several churches across the country were fire-bombed in January last year following the ruling.
Matters were further brought to a head when 35,100 Malay-language bibles were seized by the Home Ministry, causing outrage among the Christian community.
Christians have more than ample reason to be outraged at the Malaysian government, but they aren't going to start blowing up anything or anyone as a way to demonstrate their anger. That's generally reserved for followers of a certain other belief system.
The bibles were later released after a flurry of negotiations between church leaders and Putrajaya ahead of the Sarawak state election, on the condition that they be marked with a cross and the words “Christian Publication".
Many Catholics, however, remain unconvinced by Najib’s attempts to pacify the community, as evidenced by a widely circulated letter to the Pope accusing the prime minister of manipulating religious sentiment.
The smart ones are rightly suspicious. The smarter ones have already had enough of the Muslim taqiyya, intolerance, and ultimatums, and have left Muslim Malaysia for good.
And all of this because they believe the Koran is true.Malaysia,which is 60% Muslim has a law saying it is illegal to leave Islam,the same goes for Algeria,the Maldives
One must know good arguments to show Muslims the Koran is false.
FOR EXAMPLE
The 13 examples of Complete Nonsense,Meaningless Words and Phrases in the Koran
They have no meaning in Arabic.And that book is supposed to be from God?
http://www.antisharia.com/2010/04/14/completely-nonsense-phrases-in-the-koran/
ALSO READ
Is the Koran 100% Allah's Word or Muhammad's?
Yes,Muhammad's words are in the Koran.Muslims say all the owrds in the Koran are Allah's:
http://www.antisharia.com/2010/02/28/is-the-koran-100-allahs-word-or-mohammeds/
ALSO READ
1.answeringmuslims.com
2.answering-islam.org
3.thereligionofconquest.com
4.See the videos (click on "online videos") of abnsat.com(like "Jihad Exposed","Debate","Jesus or Muhammad").
The videos are also on youtube,write "abnsat".
Plus a new blog about the Persecution of Christians(mostly by Muslims)
http://www.persecutedfourchrist.blogspot.com
5.Also PYEM Ministry:
http://pyemministry.blogspot.com/
(very critical of Islam)
6.The blog "Debunking Quranic Science":
http://debunkingquranicscience.blogspot.com/
7.WIKISLAM(with 1,400 articles):
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page
8."Confident Christianity by Mary Jo Sharp":
Home Page:
http://confidentchristianity.com/
Her blog:
http://www.confidentchristianity.blogspot.com/
Also read:
antisharia.com and:
avraidire.com:
http://www.avraidire.com/
(in French and English),you can translate the French by copying and pasting with Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/#
There is this fascinating video by Nabeel Qureshi.He is an ex-Ahmadiya Muslim who became a Christian.
He now has his own blog,and he was for a long time with David Wood,of answeringmuslims.com.
Sunni Muslims often accuse him of deception,because he says:"I was a Muslim.They dont consider the Ahmadiyas to be true Muslims.Here is a video where Nabeel explains why he is not being deceptive in his terminology
http://blog.creed26.com/2011/06/ahmadiyya-and-islam-are-ahmadis-muslims.html
ANOTHER WHO LEFT ISLAM
Farhan Qureshi,notable debator of Islam,many debates of his in youtube,of the Muslim Debate Initiative also left Islam.He was an Ahmadiya who became Sunni and is now an ex-Muslim.
http://www.antisharia.com/2011/05/21/farhan-qureshinotable-defender-of-islam-in-many-debatesof-the-muslim-debate-initiativehas-left-islam/
WATCH FARHAN'S LATEST VIDEO(called "Two Apostates from Islam)
It is a conversation between him and his Christian friend Antonio,who is also an ex-Muslim(I think Antonio was Muslim for 3 years
http://youtu.be/fDpL8Vrw_84
These Muslims all over the world are always so concerned about respect for Islam. Is it because they know that nobody respects Islam because it is such a vile ideology?? That is why they are so concerned about respect for it. Respect is never gotten by a command or force - if some thought, ideology, religion are good and beneficial to humanity, the respect by others comes automatically. You don't get respect if you ask for it in any manner.
“This is our message. Islam is fair to all. Islam is beautiful, Islam is grand, Islam is pure, Islam is noble.”
Ha ha, That's what the snake oil salesman said before he was run out of town...Christians beware...
Islam is fair to all as long as you are a Muslim or a dhimmi, but 'fair' is malleable, some people are treated a little more 'fair' than others...What is fair is determined by Quran and the examples of Mahound, and whoever happens to be in charge at the moment...Islam is never 'fair' to kufr, it is against the law...
Beautiful? Well it is if you are a confused worshipper of brutality...Beheading video's are popular...ain't that beautiful?
Grand, pure and noble? A grand fraud, full of pure lies, cannot be noble...
We wish to tell our friends, the Malaysian Christians . . . if they respect us, we will also respect them.
If you can't disrespect Moslems, then what can you disrespect? Without the ability to discriminate in its dietary intake, any species is doomed.
Islam is fair to all.
This fantastic assertion proves just how decoupled from reality your Moslem actually is.
Islam is beautiful...
No comment, but even with something as subjective as beauty...
Islam is grand...
Finally some truth. The Ummah is big and is getting bigger all the time. Always has been like that.
Islam is pure...
But pure what?
Islam is noble.
I can't tell you the billions of examples proving out the high moral character, courage, generosity, honor and magnanimity Moslems have demonstrated over the last 1,400 years.
Literally, I can't tell you that.
The Prime Minister really means: "......and after we have "respected you" for a little while, we have to KILL you.....
Just hearing on CNN, FOX etc, there have been two explosions in Olso in two government building hurting several people. One of the building houses prime minister's office. One person is already dead. While nobody is claiming any any responsibility, speculations are these are connected to Mo/allah cartoons episode.
"Respect us or else...." What a funny idea of respect Muslims all over the world have. if the world doesn't respect them, there must be some reason for it. have Muslims ever tried to find the reason for dissing them??
this article here is racist to say the least.islam is a religion of peace!!!!!!!!!!!! however you better dare not say anything bad it, otherwise it will become the religion of Jihad!!!!
There's been a bombing in Oslo Norway. Probably one of those midwest white guys in black hoodies the DHS video warns us about...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/22/501364/main20081916.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel
Why Islam deserves the kind of respect you show to a pile of dogshit full of parasitic worms: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html
I guess what they mean it respect our power; not our goodness, kindness, reasonableness, truthfulness...
The very idea of freedom -- individual freedom -- relative to any person or group of persons holding the reins of exclusive governmental power is the threat to Islamic dictators. Same too for Marxist dictators, and many other flavors of dictatorship.
You see, and assumption contained in the US Constitution, and particularly the First Amendment, is that government is not to be trusted precisely because man (and woman) cannot be trusted. Ambition is inherent in human nature and it has a tendency to be expressed as domination of man over man, particularly when coupled with any position of authority.
A demand for respect, for the sake of respect, is incompatible with the notion that a government is created by man to preserve and protect the ordered liberty of fellow man.
The marriage of belief in some sort of god with that of governmental authority over man can only dilute the notion of the promotion of individual freedom. It makes it analytically impossible to vigorously criticize government (and the people at the helm) without simultaneously criticizing the god or belief that has married itself to government.
The religious right in the US also make the same sort of mistake, most evident when they launch into hypersensitivity about anyone that would dare correct the pledge of allegiance so as to redact "under God." It is perfectly acceptable to leave god out of government, and to criticize all theocratic nonsense, particularly when anyone tries to marry any god with government. It is the religious folks who plant the bulls eye on their own back, when they try to takeover government.
People can peaceably debate the nature of the existence of life and the nature of any afterlife for all eternity, without resolution of any truth, only so long as belief/faith is not married to governmental power. This marriage should be the fault line. A divorce of God from Government is good for individual liberty, for the sake of individual liberty itself.
Secularists are painted as demons by the Right wing in the US, just as are the Christians in OIC-affiliated countries. Sometimes it appears hopeless and naive to think that individual liberty and freedom can be sustained indefinitely anywhere.
I expect people to respect me as a person. Id dont expect them to care either way about my religion.
By the same token, I respect good, decent muslims as people. I dont give a rats ass about Islam and I certainly dont want to hear about it.
Keep your religion to yourself. Dont ask me to respect anything but you individually as a human being.
Imagine if the much worst evil of the Opposition controls Malaysia – not only non-Muslims but liberal/moderate Muslims will suffer – Malaysians don’t have any choice! This is the true face of the Malaysian Opposition that consists of the most dangerous alliance of the Chinese-dominated Communist/Maoist-loving party DAP, and the Islamic Nazis of the murderous Jew-hating Muslim Brotherhood/Qardawi-loving Anwar Ibrahim of PKR party and the thuggish Iranian-Mullah like Muslim extremist party, PAS, to form the Malaysian OPPOSITION party!
UMNO is evil (it was mostly due to Anwar being Deputy PM when he infiltrated UMNO as an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood - he managed to turn Muslim-Malays and UMNO to be more fanatical),yes - but at least UMNO is in alliance with the (non-Communist) Chinese-dominated MCA and Indian-dominated MIC to form the majority ruling BN, that can still reform the half-moderate Malay-Muslim UMNO (although PAS/PKR infiltrators are hijacking UMNO, turning it to be more fanatical - imagine if MCA and MIC are not in the alliance with UMNO; how dangerous it would be for Malaysia and non-Muslims)!
Malaysian politics is not yet the same like in savage Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt or elsewhere where Islamic rule is absolute. This is because in Malaysia, we have a big percentage of strong non-Muslims, around 40% - this is why, Malaysia is not an Islamic country like those savage Islamic nations. Further, the non-Muslims in Malaysia are not a small minority as in those savage Islamic nations.
Thus my intention in criticizing your simplistic general approach to politics in Malaysia, Anti-Jihadist, is to prevent such calamity as in these other savage absolute Islamic-ruled countries, which will be, if the Malaysian Opposition controls all Malaysia. They're already causing havoc with Arabic/Iranian-style aggressive Sharia laws in their few states that they control. In the West, we can try to criticize Islam aggressively, in the hope of destroying Islam's dominance and aggression because in the West, is mainly free to do so. But in Islamic-ruled countries, it's not possible for non-Muslims there to criticize Islam as much as they want; thus my perspective is in terms of the practicality in terms of achieving some justice due to the complex politics of dynamically multicultural Malaysia. Just by criticizing Islam alone instead of analyzing the complexity of politics behind it, is not enough to protect the non-Muslims in Malaysia, but by being smart and to ensure that the Islam practised in Malaysia (especially of non-Arabic/non-Iranian version) do not cause much more suffering to the non-Muslims or even liberal Muslims, including under the Opposition rule right now. But as I realized after voting like a fool of the Opposition due to simplistically generalizing as Anti-Jihadist here; how dangerous the Opposition is where such suffering of non-Muslims and liberal Muslims are much more exacerbated. Because Islamic rule once become absolute in all Malaysia, especially as dreamed by the Muslim Brotherhood/Iran through the Opposition Anwar of PKR and PAS of OIL-RICH Malaysia, it will be too late then like what’s happening in Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen right now.
"Respect Islam and we will respect you (or else)" Malaysian Prime Minister tells Christians
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Notice, the Malaysian Prime Minister does not really consider Christians or any other non-Muslims to be actual Malaysian citizens that he is bound to represent. Instead, they are perpetual dhimmi outsiders, living in Malaysia at all only on Muslim sufferance.
More:
...Islam does not 'ask' for respect. It demands it. More accurately, it demands unconditional acceptance of its cultural, social and political dominance.
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Yes. This is "respect" as the Mafia uses the term.
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“This is our message. Islam is fair to all. Islam is beautiful, Islam is grand, Islam is pure, Islam is noble.”
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And if you find any of the above laughably grotesque, you are not showing the proper "respect"...
Malaysians do have a choice. We have a choice to reject Najib and his so-called brand of moderate Islam. There is nothing moderate about his comments. As Bishop Paul Tan said:
Catholic Bishop Dr Paul Tan Chee Ing today expressed puzzlement that Prime Minister Najib Razak could, after a trip to see the Pope Benedict in Rome earlier this week, still speak like as if “the sincerity of Malaysian Christians in their desire to dialogue with Muslims is subject to proof.”
“I don't want to sound carping and querulous especially after the announcement of diplomatic ties between Malaysia and the Vatican but the prime minister's latest remarks, to my mind, are nothing if not puzzling,” said the titular head of Roman Catholics in the Melaka-Johor diocese.
Bishop Paul, who is concurrently president of the Catholics' Bishops Conference of Malaysia, was referring to the Najib's remarks in Sepang yesterday that were directed at Christians.
“We wish to tell our friends, the Malaysian Christians … that if they respect us, we will also respect them,” the PM was reported by Malaysian Insider to have said.
“This is puzzling - painful even - coming from a leader who has just been to see the Pope and has announced the establishment of diplomatic ties between the Vatican and Malaysia,” said Bishop Paul Tan.
Meeting with Pope a window dressing
Bishop Paul Tan said Muslims don't want to be part of the MCCBCHST “for reasons better known to them and which I don't want to comment.”
“Yet, after our oft-repeated loyalty to the constitution and our efforts at promoting inter-religious dialogue, it is our sincerity that is subject to proof, judging from the prime minister's remarks,” said Bishop Paul Tan.
“I take no relish in saying this but say it I must: this invidious double standards in judgment of the sincerity of Christians has gone so long that if unchallenged it would become the conventional wisdom,” he asserted.
“The prime minister's trip to the Vatican, as I had feared, was so much window dressing - his latest remarks are the confirmation,” he said.
Bishop Paul Tan said: “At this point, superfluous as it may seem, I want to reaffirm the loyalty of Malaysian Christians, particularly of Roman Catholics, to the constitution which upholds Islam as the official religion of the federation.
“Also, I want to reiterate our unwavering desire to dialogue with Muslims whom I welcome as brothers in our common humanity. May we not be wise above measure and sobriety but we must cultivate truth in charity.”
“It is as if the loyalty of Christians to the constitution of the country which states that Islam is the official region of the federation is in doubt and the sincerity of Christians in their desire to dialogue with Muslims is subject to proof,” he asserted.
“Begging the prime minister's pardon, I feel matters are the other way round. It is his government's fidelity to the freedom of religion guarantees in the constitution that is in doubt, not Christians' respect for Islam,” argued Bishop Paul Tan.
“Our subscription to the constitution ipso facto is respect for Islam as the official religion of the country. The Roman Catholics Church is a founding member of the Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Taoism (MCCBCHST).
“The initiative to form the council in 1984 was a reflection of the desire of Christians to dialogue with other religions,” he reminded.
I am not buying Najib's line of moderate Islam. Period.