In the current state of affairs, in a way, they can, but not in the way the Secretary of State meant in her comments to the Organization Formerly Known As The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OFKATOIC). Islamic groups continue to press their demands while their spokesmen engage in deliberate deceit about the limitations of Islamic tolerance. They speak of "tolerance," "justice," and "human rights" with the expectation that Western listeners will project their own understanding of the terms onto what is being said.
Much of the West, for its part, operates on the article of faith that those values are shared and do fundamentally match, because all cultures are supposed to be based on the same values and vision of the future. It is on that gelatinously shaky ground that they tend to come into agreement, and it is to the benefit of organizations like the OIC.
Clinton's defense of free speech is not unwelcome, of course, but the OIC will say "yes, thank you, that's very nice," and press on with its agenda. "Clinton: Islam, West can agree on tolerance," by Matthew Lee for the Associated Press, July 15 (thanks to Kenneth):
ISTANBUL — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says she's hopeful that a religious tolerance agreement between the West and Islamic countries will end efforts to criminalize blasphemy that threaten freedom of expression.
Talk of a "tolerance agreement" threatens to dignify the OIC's position with a response, when no response is warranted except an intensified refusal to compromise on free speech.
Clinton said Friday in Turkey that an initiative by the U.S., the European Union and the Organization of the Islamic Conference will promote religious freedom without compromising free speech.
The Associated Press seems to have missed the memo on the OIC's great re-branding as the equally awkward-sounding "Organization of the Islamic Cooperation."
Many Muslim nations have laws that punish perceived insults to Islam. As a way to rationalize those laws, those countries have long sought U.N. action condemning the defamation of religion.
"Rationalize" is an odd word, and doesn't seem to fit. All of the global initiatives are simply an extension of the same supremacist impulse that drives those laws on the national level.
The U.S. and others were concerned that such a step could stifle legitimate debate. Earlier this year, the U.S. brokered an agreement that removed defamation language from a U.N. resolution and focused instead on ending religious discrimination.
The Muslim Brotherhood and OIC are two jaws of a nutcracker crushing Western civilization. The Muslim Brotherhood exerts pressure from below by infiltrating and subverting infidel institutions, whereas the OIC exerts pressure from above by controlling and coercing infidel governments.
The OIC is the Fourth Reich, and the Muslim Brotherhood is the Fifth Column: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/organization-of-islamic-conference-oic.html
Robert, please post the picture of AP :-)
The coward quisling Clinton looks more on more crummy
http://newstime.co.nz/video-shariah-the-threat-to-america-a-short-course-on-shariah-and-the-muslim-brotherhood.html
Quote of pious Muslim Brotherhood
(cf. Qur’an 9:33, 8:39, 2:193 and 61:9)
by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991
. .''and focused instead on ending religious discrimination''. . Wow, they've got some front. When it's all totted-up from start-to-finish, theirs is the only belief-system that has consistently, and with a trail of death and violence, discriminated against ALL other religions. When justice comes down from the mountain they will burn their own books and feel ashamed.
Criticism of Islam shouldn't just be limited to intellectual analysis , but should also include vigorous satire and ridicule.
In fact, intellectual criticism is probably relatively inneffective, as most Muslims are illiterate and of low intelligence due to inbreeding.
However, no one wants to be associated with a cult that has become a laughing-stock, so robust mockery of Mo, Mein Koranpf and the whole Islamic pile of pig's vomit will hit the Achilles heel, especially as it punctures the bloated and fragile inflated egos of Muslim males.
Honor/shame cultures such as Islam have little regard for rationalism , but are severely damaged by loss of face.
We need to satirise and ridicule baby-bonking Mo until the Muslims fly into uncontrollable tantrums, then ridicule them even more for their tantrums, and repeat the process until they froth at the mouth and steam comes out of their ears.
Free speech must be exercised to its full extent - use it or lose it!
Clinton plays the dhimmi for OIC; India tells it to 'get lost'.
"OIC has no locus standi in Jammu and Kashmir, says India "
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2151385.ece
I understand Mrs Clinton is going to India next week. They should tell her to get lost.
In other news, Indians, rather stupidly, continue to see US as friends and orders nearly 40 new Boeing Dreamliner airplanes, thereby securing thousands of vital US jobs, while US continue to fund Pakistan -- whose murderers paid the metropolis of Mumbai another deadly visit, claiming over 20 innocent Indian lives.
Clinton, as an awowed enemy of India, should not be allowed to set a foot on Indian soil, until her country stops funding murders of Indian people.
Can we trust the Islamist organizations to back free speech? Look around you today and find a Muslim country that has genuine free speech and I'll eat my shoe. The only freedom of speech is what Islam says is freedom. Criticize Islam in any way and you'll find yourself accused of blasphemy and sentenced to death. Decide that Christianity is true and convert and you get the death penalty. Criticize or poke fun of Mohammed and you get the death penalty. Are you seeing a pattern here? There is no freedom under Islam. We'll I'm going to get some Cheerios as it doesn't look like I'll be eating my shoe anytime soon.
Why is the West licking the boots of Muslim nations leaders instead of telling them to behave like human beings or else?? The more we bow to them the more they want to crush the rights of non-muslims in their countries while working to promote this phony "religious tolerance and respect for religions" which only means everything for Islam and don't you dare criticize Islam and its laws etc. Western leaders are simply gutless and cowards and they will doom us!!
OT:
Hey People - Check out this pathetic Louisiana school run by some Turkish group. If you read the article, tell me whether you think this "school" is just a cover to promote Islam in Louisiana?
http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2011/07/state_shuts_down_abramson_char.html
Excellent Bat Ye'or article on O.I.C.-
[Extract]:
"...the driving force behind 'the attempt to detach the Nation of Israel from its heritage' (to use Israeli prime minister Netanyahu's words) was the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), which pressured UNESCO to issue the declaration and drafted its initial version. U.N. secretary-general Ban Ki-moon has recently described the OIC as 'a strategic and important partner of the U.N.' In fact, it has been the OIC that has successfully exploited its marked preponderance at the U.N.—where it constitutes the largest single voting bloc—to turn the world organization and its specialized agencies into effective tools in the attempt to achieve its goals, two of which are to bring about Israel's eventual demise and to 'galvanize the umma [Islamic world] into a unified body.'"
http://www.meforum.org/2813/delegitimizing-the-jewish-state
Allah is the prime mover and is anti-free speech...The reason why, is that it is kufr (disbelief) to indulge yourself with free speech...Free speech is what go's on in dar al-harb where kuffar use it like a weapon against Allah and Islam...It is a tool of war, used by them to wage war against Allah, and the 'Prophet'...The problem with free speech is that it carries the truth and a few facts as well...The truth and the facts are not good for Allah's health, so he made them illegal in Islam...Using this illegality as a shield, the pious engage in every kind of taqiyya to close off free speech...There are glaring examples of this, one of the most noticeable are Pakistan's blasphemy laws, and another, riots over Mohammad cartoons...Numbers of western countries including the US, have leftists conspirators in an unholy alliance with Islam, attempting to close down free speech, with legions of frightened dhimmi's going along with Allah's free speech prohibitions. There is no good reason why citizens should be subjected to this...Reject sharia LOUDLY and remove dhimmi's from office, and don't elect any more...Islamo-smart should be a litmus test...
My first thought was that it might be one of Gulen's schools, which we have a lot about in our archives. It may be a knockoff of the concept. This is well into the article:
Any use of public money on a school like this is a cause for some unease, as is any connection with Gulen.
Regarding Islam, Clinton is an ignoramus. She is either blinded to or accepting of the elitist supremacist attitude fostered by Islamic doctrine. She is also void of understanding of the Constitutional values of the U.S., not surprising if she helped scam elderly people of their life savings and - after it was exposed - spun her husband's infidelity to political advantage. (The reason adultery is a crime under the Military Code of Justice is that someone capable of cheating on their spouse is capable of being a traitor to their country. It is extreme disloyalty.) Displaying such moral weakness, she should NOT be in a position of power, especially in a position to be corrupted by ruthless supremacists and manipulated into giving up our Constitutional and human rights and freedoms.
When will we mature enough to recognize the elitist supremacist (sociopathic) nature of Islamic doctrine, which appeals to man's fallen nature and love of money (Islamic plunder), sex, and power (over women and non-Muslims)? When will we finally recognize red herrings and Muhammad's deceit of war? When will we look at the long history of Islamic conquest and learn something?
The Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Meir, met with the Muslim King of Saudi Arabia to "talk peace." When she refused his offer of peace through his "protection" (dhimmitude), she was denounced by him as being just a woman and he was later assassinated. Now, we have Clintontalking "peace" with the Muslim world. The horrifying thing is that Golda Meir refused to submit to Islam under the King's "protection," but Clinton would sell out her country and the rest of humanity just to have a photo op like her husband did when he brokered a worthless peace (hudna) agreement.
"Clinton is an ignoramus. She is either blinded to or accepting of the elitist supremacist attitude fostered by Islamic doctrine."
There are no more excuses for anyone. You are either on the side of islam or against it. She has chosen her side. This woman is nothing but a traitor in my eyes.
No more wiggle room, it's one side or the other, islam will have it no other way.
"Earlier this year, the U.S. brokered an agreement that removed defamation language from a U.N. resolution and focused instead on ending religious discrimination".
It's anything but funny how ignorant legislaters can be. I have aften wondered how we could have come this far without knowing Islams intent. But each day that goes by that question becomes more clear.
Free peoples don't want to face the truth about Islams ideology. I guess it is to scary for them to think aboout.
As long as we free Americans can turn off and on our logic and also our civic principles Islam gets stronger and it gets easier for them to motivate their members against our simple mindset.
Without knowing about Islam, the Qur'an, Muhammad, jihadists, the Hadith and the meaning of taqiyya our legislators have no clue what they are dealing with. The history of Islam alone is enough to open ones eyes and take notice.
But as long as legislators continue to ignore the truth in favor of political correctness there is no hope for our nation. And Islam will soon declare Sharia over our constitution and own our nation and all of its people.
Of course they will agree to a religious tolerance agreement between the West and Islamic countries. Why would they want show their hand at this point?
Make no mistake Islam knows exactly what they are doing.
Couldn't agree more, dear Sean,living in Germany I know that every German convert to Islam is a nazi. The nazi party is banned in Germany, but Islam isn't, so what do the new nazis do?
. .sordid a fact as it is, it figures.