Somalia: Islamic supremacists ban samosas for "resembling Christian Trinity"

"At the height of the Iraq War, AQ in Iraq banned ice cream because ice craem wasn't available to Mohammad. An exception was made for AK-47s, though."

yes! and there bicycle ice cream vendor jihad was present..The Muslims executed a bicycle ice cream vendor because he was selling ice cream.

Exactly. Jews have been immune to triangleophobia since at least the days of Esther, no?

http://www.dianasdesserts.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/recipes.recipeListing/filter/dianas/recipeID/951/Recipe.cfm

Who are you to tell anyone what they can say? Mohammad was a false prophet and the things that Robert Spencer points out are his fruit. Bad fruit.

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.
Matthew 7:15

Miriam is more dangerous than your run-of-the-mill Islamist troll. She and IstanbulChick think that because they purport to be former slaves of Allah they can have free reign and a protected platform here and anywhere in the West to further spin their lies. This is a pitfall of our notoriously welcoming nature here in the West.

Read a bit of http://www.kamalsaleem.com/ (who I believe is sincere) and you will be quickly educated. They are termites and they are here. Consider yourself warned.

"How about making the samosa cresent shaped, that will satify there Moon God worship?"

OMG that's funny! The Japanese have a crescent-shaped, meat dumpling called gyoza. It's filled with a pork mixture!

I'm not trying to brag but I make really good gyoza. They are simply "to die for", ROTFL!

No, Miriam is not a troll. Miriam was being sarcastic.

Miriam is an Iranian ex-muslim and very much in this fight WITH us.

Exscuse me?

What lies have I told?

And what exactly is my "platform"?

No, come to think of it, I'm not going to be polite.

You showed up here relatively recently and you've taken snipes at other regular posters as well.

What exactly is YOUR platform?

I think YOU'RE some leftarded or mohammadan trying to split the ranks.

What is this 'you have been warned' stuff form yourself and Dot? Is this some kind of new mantra? hat does it mean?

He's not so much a troll, because he has harsher words for mohammadans and tneir enablers than I do, as he is someone who will never be able to completely lose the mohammadan machismo he was raised with.

I don't know if you remember, but last year, I accused him of being one insult away from becoming a jihadi. I wanted to come through the screen and rip his head off and stuff it up his backside.

He's mellowed out quite a bit since then. Sometimes he writes things that make me think WTF until I re-read them and realize he's being sarcastic or tongue in cheek. He's not a Hemingway so a lot of what I think he's trying to say gets "lost in translation."

So you think miriam is a male? Makes perfect sense to me. I stand corrected.

It means "dot" is accusing Miriam and *ME* of being mohammadan trolls.

She took some swipes at a few other regular users as well.

She was unable to understand that Miriam was being sarcastic in his above post.

She's trying to rally people to her side with the wisdom of being able to "spot the mohammadan trolls." Which seems to be anyone that just pisses her off.

He's not a hemingway -- he's a giggilo. Max Spawn @ the Houston Chronicle. Do your own research and please stop littering the threads with your sideshows.

He is a male.

Had you been here longer than, oh what's it been, a few days, you would have heard his story *and* all of the regular users here taking swipes at him for using female moniker.

This was about a year ago.

Dot - Miriam Rove is a man. He is also an ex-muslim from Iran. He grew up Muslim and fully understands what we are against.

He has stated that he is leftist (not progressive left). A few times he and I exchanged words when he stood up on his principle and told people here that he wanted the left/right battle to end here. This is not the time nor place for such a fight and since many on both sides are waking up to Islam's agenda, we need everyone in this. Due to his stance I have come to agree with that principle.

He also has important viewpoints to share from time to time due to his upbringing and life experience. I have valued his input and perspectives from time to time.

As Instanbul_Chick has stated, he has a tendency to be sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't come through the internet well. I think it has to do with the fact that in person, you see or hear a clue that this is really a sarcastic comment. Online, that gets lost in translation. Once you know him well enough by reading his comments, you can pick it up.

I don't need the warning, but thanks anyway. I agree she is more dangerous because she is here in "stealth", and so is Istanbul chick. They are both liberals and very much against what we are doing here.
Maybe Miriam would like to take her words back or add the sark label. What about it Miriam? Tell me you're not parroting the lame-stream media's chant.

You mean, Mike, that hamantaschen are really a ploy by Jews for Jesus to make other Jews believe in the Messiah? LOL

Maybe next they'll tell Hui people in China to stop serving beef Jiaozi, since they may look a little like the gold taels seen with Cai Shen (the god of wealth).

C'MON, FOLKS! IT'S TIME TO JOKE ABOUT FOOD!

Do you know, while Somali children are starving, well-heeled folks in the international development set are discussing it over steaks and pasta primavera?

BTW, 9/11 or no, I haven't given up kebap, samosas, biryani, couscous, hummus, beef or lamb jiaozi, etc. etc.

Heck, there are people here with whom I wouldn't mind sharing a meal!

Miriam was absolutely being sarcastic! In the email Miriam referred-to, he was warning Spencer about an ITN film that he became aware of through his business connections, that he feared might be a smear-job on Spencer, and was giving Robert a heads-up. His son is just returning after a year in the service in Afghanistan. He has stated here that he dates a Jewish lady.

I perfectly agree with Istanbul_Chick's description, that he retains some of that Iranian machismo...and he gets a bit loose with the lingo (slang) sometimes...but I believe he's sincere and he's no troll. Anyone who says he is has NOT been paying attention.

We have an Iranian ex-muslim here who's taken our side & wants to be accepted. And we're going to insult him and slap him down? Get real!

And what's this nonsense about Istanbul_Chick? You must be kidding! Pay attention & save your bile for the trolls!

Annie, "gyoza" are really the same as Chinese jiaozi, and, like so much else in Japanese culture, learned from China.

For the record, my wife and I also like wrapping and cooking our own. Minced pork, scallion, onion, and a little bit of shrimp are the best; but you can make them with ground lamb (superb); and ground turkey's a great substitute for pork for anyone who wants to keep kosher or halal or wants a bit less fat content than you'd get with pork.

Golly, gee! After calling on everyone to start joking about food, I've gone all serious again!

"Are they also going to ban triangles and other offensive geometrical constructs, like that obscene decagon?"

Don't laugh. Some time ago, Hugh reported in one of his essays that Moslem students in French high schools were refusing to learn geometry, since in constructing right triangles they had to make the sign of the Cross.

Dot and ronmorgan,
Good grief, guys, miriam rove was joking. If you had seen enough of her/his other comments, you would know that. I admit if I didn't know miriam's stuff, I could have had a similar response to her.

As for Istanbul_Chick being against what we are doing here, what the f**k are you talking about? She's about as anti-jihad and anti-sharia as it gets. She's one of our better witnesses. And often whip smart about it. Who gives a f**k if she's also liberal? (And I don't know that she is anyway.) You think we're going to win with only half of the political spectrum? You think liberals are always wrong and conservatives are always right? Forgive me, but that's BS.

I'm right of center myself. But divided we fall. The struggle between liberals and conservatives is a family affair. Most people in the family, on both sides, believe in fundamental rights and freedoms. Anger at each other can blind us to those shared values. Islam, on the other hand, definitely does not permit fundamental rights and liberties. One of the main reasons liberals are sometimes so stupid about Islam is that we conservatives are so fu*king stupid about liberals! As they are stupid about us. We treat them as badly as they treat us, and they reject what we accept, simply because we accept it, and they hate us, as we hate them. It's an idiotic, narrow-minded, pathological family relation. It's a family relation because we do share some fundamental values, far more than either side shares with the fundamental values of Islam.

The point is, if you think only one party has anything to say or a right to rule, then you've started to depart from fundamental Western values of freedom and debate. We have to tolerate the other side, as long as the other side accepts basic human rights and rule by law. That's what this site is all about: human rights and rule by law. It's not about being a conservative and treating liberals as the Enemy! That's far too narrow. We have to keep the big picture, and see who the real, totalitarian enemy is. With the Left, or most it, we can work. Islam, by contrast, is an emergency, a disaster, a deadly bacillus on the way. Individual Muslims, not necessarily.

As the great hawkish Democrat Scoop Jackson used to say, the struggle between Democrats and Republicans should stop at the water's edge. The struggle between Islam and the West, on the other hand, is life and death. If a lot of people don't start getting the difference between the two struggles, Islam will have a better chance of success.

Did you read my post? Did you see that I was replying to ronmorgen? So, you can't read but you're telling me to stuff it? You say you're a Christian? Would you call that a Christian response? I've NEVER insulted Christians here.
Anyone who "gets it" about islam is OK with me. That is why we're here, isn't it?

Here we are, with Robert--and ourselves--under siege, at a time when we need to show our solidarity...and you're telling me--when I didn't even address you--to stuff it.
With allies like you, who needs enemies?

I'm going to restrain myself from what I'd like to say to you...

Pretty nasty thought indeed. I believe you are here to oppose Christianity as well as Islam.

Hi I_C,

I can't think of a much worse time than now to get into internecine quarrels here. This, especially now, is a time to unite and support Robert and one another. I just wanted to defend Miriam, as he had clearly been misunderstood. It didn't occur to me that I would be attacked for that. Then I saw that YOU were in the crosshairs, too. Un-freaking-believeable! I cannot recall being this disappointed and disillusioned with people here.

You've earned your spurs here and I will cover your six any time you're attacked, period. Unlike most posters here, you've LIVED in dar-al-islam. Clearly, it left its impression on you, LOL!

To the attackers: How about no more "friendly fire," just now? Can we stay united during a difficult time? Can we support one another and prove our detractors wrong? If we can't, we're in a heap of trouble here...

See you on the threads, I_C, have a good night...

You made me laugh... To continue: there's pitta, vata, kapha (Ayurvedic body types); the knower, the known, and the process of knowing (the Vedic pure knowledge); present, past, future; waking, sleeping, dreaming; life, death, infinity; vertical, horizontal, diagonal

Well, you believe wrong and are very clearly don't pay attention.

I mentioned last night my practicing Catholic parents. I have no desire to attack them. I also defended Christians last night when Caesar was making an egregious claim about them.

I do, however, take offense to Christians like you three who attack anyone who is not Christian or Christians who are not the right kind of Christian. You are of the Westboro variety of Christian. Meaning, not Christian at all. You're nasty little creatures who are just as dangerous as mohammadan supremacists.

So, no, I have no problem with or desire to attack Christianity.

I have a problem with nasty little tunnel visioned holier than thou pit vipers like you three who would cut off your own noses to spite your faces.

I think you are here because you have been hurt and abused by Muslims. Well, at least you are not "for" Islam. so I apologize for calling you a troll. You're attacks on my God is what got me fired up. Call it jealousy, but it is allowed for the love of your life. Let's get along and fight this beast of Islam, OK?

And Miriam, same applies. My error, my jealousy.

"I think you are here because you have been hurt and abused by Muslims. Well, at least you are not "for" Islam. so I apologize for calling you a troll. You're attacks on my God is what got me fired up. Call it jealousy, but it is allowed for the love of your life. Let's get along and fight this beast of Islam, OK?

And Miriam, same applies. My error, my jealousy."

No truce. And no apologies accepted.

There were no attacks on "your" god.

You're just lucky Jesus is forgiving.

Let him forgive you.

As far as I am concerned you're as nasty and vicious as the most devout, bearded half-witted imams out there.

I am proud to know you, ronmorgen!

Thanks, George.

It's a great feeling to know you have my back.

You watch mine and I'll watch yours.

Keep your stick on the ice.:)

And let's hope this fricken heat lets up!

"You made me laugh... To continue: there's pitta..."

pita schmita. I make the most kick ass homemade papadams and tamarind chutney this side of the Indian Ocean.

My chicken pakora is to die for and my burgi would knock your socks off.

And my veggi samosas would get me stoned in Somalia.

I_C,

Ron offerred to bury the hatchet. He apologized to you. I think he's sincere in that. Can't you see your way to accept this?

That's it, I'm off to bed.

And I still don't really know what a samosa is (sounds like a Nicarauguan dictator to me).

G

"Ron offerred to bury the hatchet. He apologized to you. I think he's sincere in that. Can't you see your way to accept this?"

I'll have to sleep on it.

I'm Irish. I can hold a grudge till doomsday.

Don't go taking any bites out of Latin American dictators.

You should try samosas, I'm sure there's a few Indian restaurants up in your neck of the woods.

Cheers.

I'm not right or left, but the ideology of the left is secular and that is the very thing that has opened us up to be ruled by Islam. This is why I feel that atheists can not help us with any of their "wisdom". Sorry if you don't like that idea, but it is my belief and it will never change. Ranting and anger at Muslim atrocities will not help. It only shows what side you're on. Teaching the Truth is the only solution. And the truth is there is a God and we need to be ruled by him.

Solomon:
"If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by him. Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."

I'm not advocating authoritarian Christian rule, but rather that we would rule ourselves according to the moral law. And if we don't, everything will break down.

We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded.

-James Madison

Jamadagnii, I can't believe I left those out...especially past, present, future.

Thanks for that, Buraq. In the context of the in-fighting going on in this thread, that was hilarious!

ronmorgan, you said,

the ideology of the left is secular and that is the very thing that has opened us up to be ruled by Islam.

ronmorgan, you are entitled to your views, obviously. My view is that right and left both suffer from something like cerebral hemiplegia. It's as if one party is paralyzed on the left side of the brain, and the other party is paralyzed on the right side. Using theological terminology, one side is under the influence of one set of demonic hosts, the other side under the influence of an opposite set of demonic hosts. Recall the Hitler-Stalin pact. Those two demons were ideologically violently opposed to each other, yet in a weird collusive way supported each other as opposite extremes. I think right and left, including the admirable, moderate forms of right and left, have together put us at risk of Islamization.

This is why I feel that atheists can not help us with any of their "wisdom".

Sorry if you don't like that idea, but it is my belief and it will never change.

Who cares if I like the idea. What you follow is none of my business, except insofar as we are voluntarily discussing it. That agreed, I don't understand how you could possibly know that the particular idea in question will never change. What perhaps never changes is true love (and yet in a way it does change even as it remains the same, because it is ever new).

But to call eternal this belief of yours -- that the secularism of many on the left is responsible for Islamization and therefore no atheists have anything whatsoever of wisdom to offer you -- to call all that eternal seems to me a confusion of something transient, a mere opinion, with something eternal, like the living spirit of love. One can ascribe unchangingness only to eternal things, not to transient viewpoints of that sort. I'm sorry if you don't like that, ronmorgan, but that's my belief and it will never change.

Of course, I don't really mean that last sentence. But I said it to highlight a flaw in saying something like that. It cuts off human dialogue with one's fellows. If everyone said that, our minds would all be virginal and sterile, it would mean that each person just lays down a kind of absolute diktat that no one can ever influence his beliefs. People sometimes take that kind of stance because their beliefs are fragile and will collapse on exposure to challenge. So one takes on the imperious posture of the emperor and declares that "these are my beliefs, and they will never change."

In my view, only love and cognition closely in tune with it is in a sense unchanging, though as I said before, it seems a paradoxical form of unchangingness -- one that is eternally new, alive, continually in transformation, continually dying and being reborn.

Being eternal and yet ever new, love is in that sense God-like. To that extent, I know and experience that something like God exists.

I don't think God is an omnipotent despot, like Allah, and I don't think the Christian triune God should be conceived as omnipotent or omniscient, like some all-surveilling absolute dictator.

I think Christianity goes with freedom, whereas omnipotence and omniscience do not. I understand the Christian God to be simultaneously plural and unitary; and superlative above all other beings insofar as distinguished from the being of those beings; superlative in power, knowledge, and compassion, but neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Eternal, yet also evolving.

My understanding is that notions of absolute omnipotence and omniscience are merely theological interpretations that became popular in the Middle Ages, interpretations that may have come over to us from Islam. Allah is certainly conceived as an all-knowing, all-powerful, absolute dictator.

Now I'll stop my digressive rant. Thank you for tolerating it as much as you were able.

"For the record, my wife and I also like wrapping and cooking our own. Minced pork, scallion, onion, and a little bit of shrimp are the best;"

Shrimp? Hehehehe.....I fish with bait, not eat it! ;)
I know that many recipes call for shrimp but I don't use it. I know what's in that little black "vein"! Besides, I am thoroughly Infidel. Pork is the only meat I'll use in mine.

Do you prefer steamed or fried gyoza? I like to brown them and then pour some water (or chicken broth) into the pan, cover it and steam them till the water/broth evaporates.

What's your favorite dipping sauce? Mine is Kikkoman soy sauce, rice vinegar and 6-8 drops of hot-chili sesame oil. (People unfamiliar with this oil should start with only 6 drops.) Kikkoman has recently marketed 2 new types of soy sauce in my area, one with lime juice and one with lemon juice mixed in. I'll try those next time I make a batch.

Thanks for that beautiful post Traeh.

We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves...

Unfortunately, Moslems have proven time and again that they have none of the three capabilities enumerated here by James Madison.

*** 48:17 ***

There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick that they go not forth to war. And Moslems who obey Allah and Mohammed, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and Moslems who turn back, him will He punish with a painful doom.

This is cuz your average everyday Moslem is under tremendous pressure to behave badly.

... pig farmer please do me a favor and do not respond to my blogs in order not to darg this site down.

I haven't responded to your postings in this thread, Rove. But I guess it could be argued that I drag this site down, harming the Resistance to global Moslem takeover.

I believe Miriam is referencing the other pig guy, when*pigs*fly. he/she looks new to this blog.

That's exactly who Miriam was talking about.

I had to do a double take.

Alarmed pig Farmer is one of my favorite posters and yesterday his posts seemed to take a viscious turn until I realized it wasn't Alarmed pig Farmer making the slanderous posts. It was wpf.

Dot was screaming about "multiple monikers!"

Now I think the fox was smelling it's own hole.

I think all these new posters who are trying to divide the troops (one with a confusing moniker that resembles one of our own's) are one person.

"miriam rove | July 26, 2011 2:16 PM | Reply

Robert! stop this racism and right wing propeganda! have you not learned a lesson already? you created a mass murderr in Norway and now you are enticing the chrisitians to bomb the muslim somalis samosas!!!!
Please stop this!!!
BTW: did you get my email about the documenry that Discovery is going to do on this guy from Norway?
M"
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How stupid and confused are you?
Robert has NOTHING to do with the Norway shootings, dolt.
And what 'race' is Islam again, nutcase?
Last I checked it was pretty much every race on the planet.
At least use your damned brain before you start typing this asinine garbage.

Thirdly, leftist extremist nutjobs commit just as violent crimes as anyone on the right. The AZ shooter wasnt a rightwinger, dipwad.

Your favorite cooking method is the same as ours. As for sauce, we usually take a little bit of rice vinegar, some Wei Chuan soy sauce, a few drops of sesame oil, and some powdered or minced garlic. Actually, any soy sauce will do. Hot mustard is also good, as is soy sauce and hot mustard mixed.

Now, as one who says jiaozi rather than gyoza, I ask if you've ever lived in Japan?

And I stand by what I said.

I don't you oughtta' be lecturing anybody on class, Mr. "Stuff It..."

Please insert the word "think" between "don't" and "you."

Well, in your reply to ronmorgen you wrote:

"I don't think God is an omnipotent despot, like Allah, and I don't think the Christian triune God should be conceived as omnipotent or omniscient, like some all-surveilling absolute dictator.

I think Christianity goes with freedom, whereas omnipotence and omniscience do not. I understand the Christian God to be simultaneously plural and unitary; and superlative above all other beings insofar as distinguished from the being of those beings; superlative in power, knowledge, and compassion, but neither omnipotent nor omniscient. Eternal, yet also evolving.."

I guess I'll have to agree to disagree, for I admit that as a young man I started out as something of a rebel against theological modernism before I found my home in classical Reformed theology. I suppose that whereas Calvin, the theologians at Dort, and the Westminster divines tell me that this omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternally perfect God is also the one who for us and our salvation became man, obeyed the command to love God and neighbor, and died on the cross as atonement for our sins prior to his resurrection from the dead. A big God came down with big compassion; and that is how I believe.

Perhaps it all happened when I was in my late teens, and my elders and betters made some disparaging remark about 'fundamentalists' believing that God was some big, long-bearded granddaddy sitting on a cloud, but "we today can conceive of infinity, whereas those primmitive Bronze Age folks could not". I had started to read the Bible out of cultural interest (it may have had something to do with a Jewish classmate's neonate brother getting his Bris--ah, such modern people wedded to such an ancient tradition!), and stumbled upon I Kings 8:27, where Solomon offers his dedicatory prayer after building the temple:

"But will God in very deed dwell on earth? behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have built."

There, in black and white, was primitive, bronze age Solly (well, actually, he was barely in the iron age) expressing the infiniteness of God back in 900-something B.C. That, perhaps, was when I suddenly realized that a lot of my "so smart" elders and betters could be pretty ignorant about things in which they proudly thought themselves knowledgeable.

Islam may get a few things right; but it all goes to show that someone can hang a true element on a false framework.

"I don't you oughtta' be lecturing anybody on class, Mr. "Stuff It...""

You took the words right out of my mouth.

dud relax!!!! what I said about robert is sarcasm!!

Notice that j_not_a runs for cover when he's brought to book. The right thing, of course, would be to man-up & offer an apology; but apparently, he doesn't have the requisite "equipment" for that, if you know what I mean.

I was listening to KOA Radio last night after signing-off here. The overnight-guy had as his first "guest" some effete pseudo-academic eunoch from the "Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights." This was a total smear-job on Spencer, Geller, the EDL, Wilders, et al. This 'tard used the term "islamophobia" like a dozen times
ini the first 5 minutes. Naturally, I couldn't get through to challenge this creep. So, I dropped a line to the conservative KOA morning-guy abd asked if he could please get Mr. Spencer scheduled ASAP to answer this slander. After last night's whitewash he deserves equal time here!

BTW, I googled "IREHR" and--you guessed it--hard-left, islamo-friendly, multicult socialists! Guess I had that pretty-well figured-out before the search, LOL.

Note to self: Extinguish all media before retiring!

"Now I'll stop my digressive rant. Thank you for tolerating it as much as you were able."

It was no rant, Traeh. It was a good well thought out post. I did enjoy it.

I believe God is a loving father who wants to develop a relationship with all of his children.

"Notice that j_not_a runs for cover when he's brought to book. The right thing, of course, would be to man-up & offer an apology; but apparently, he doesn't have the requisite "equipment" for that, if you know what I mean."

I'm ignoring the unholy three. They strike me as the holy rolling Westboro Baptist types who meet untimely and carnage filled ends in Stephen King books.

How can you listen to KOA? I gave it and NPR up years ago simply because listening to it was hazardous to my health (raised my blood pressure). My dad used to make me listen to KOA so I would know "what the hippies are all about."

"BTW, I googled "IREHR" and--you guessed it--hard-left, islamo-friendly, multicult socialists! Guess I had that pretty-well figured-out before the search, LOL."

As if their was any doubt? :)Any group with "human rights" in it's title is guaranteed to be so far left of left they don't know if they're coming or going.

Speaking of "human rights" did you read about the guy protesting Nobama at the Longmont post office? Had a Nobama as hitler sign? Ended up in a scuffle with an elderly female Nobama supporter.

I was happy to read that the police told the Nobama lover that SHE was wrong!

Score one for the truth tellers!

Thank you, for clearing that you were being sarcastic. Without the aid of body language only those who know you well would have known. Forgive me for jumping all over you, I have been a little sensitive lately because of all the real trolls since this attack commenced. Now I see other newcomers who are zealous for our side have also jumped your bones. Sarcasm doesn't always communicate well over the internet.

"Notice that j_not_a runs for cover when he's brought to book."

Better look at the post right before yours.

"...but not at the expense of accepting your slander..."

Slander?

You can dish it out but you can't take it.

You and your buddies in the unholy trinity were the first to call me a "stealth" "liberal" "mohammadan."

I hadn't even commented on any of your posts and you hurled the most outrageous slander my way.

So, tell us, when you are three going after like rabid pitbulls after our Jewish and Hindu anti-jihad users?

"Just a quick question for you Istanbul - do you consider the God of Christians, Yahweh, to be a "sky monster"? Yes or no?

Istanbul_Chick replied to comment from j_not_a

And I stand by what I said.

There you have it, she's not so subtly attacking Christianity. She's blaspheming Yahweh. Not surprising that the Christians on the sight who worship Yahweh would would be upset with her.

"There you have it, she's not so subtly attacking Christianity."

You are an idiot.

Find one post where I've quoted Biblical scripture and criticized it.

Find one post where I've implied that Biblical scripture inspires terrorists.

I am attacking, openly, hateful, ignorant people like you three.

You are not Christians. Whatever YOU believe you worship is indeed a sky monster if it inspires ignorant, short-sighted, paranoid little haters like you.

I do stand by what I said. You three are exactly the type of UN-Christian creatures that will turn on and attack not just me but Jews, Hindus and the wrong flavour of Christians. YOU three are the type that call Catholics the "whore of babylon!"

You are as nasty and hateful as mohammadans.

"So, tell us, when you are three going after like rabid pitbulls after our Jewish and Hindu anti-jihad users?"

They don't blaspheme my God like you do. In fact the Jewish users are worshiping the same God Yahweh. I only go after militant atheists, and Militant Islamists.

What the hell is a sky monster?

"militant atheists"

Oh, I'm a militant atheist?

Do please provide any posting where I declared that religion has no place for everyone.

Show me where I demanded that everyone cease and desist with posting Biblical scripture.

While you're at it please post any link showing where I declared that my country should be atheist or that my political leaders should be atheist.

Again, I stand by my words.

You three are the type that would be burning down temples if you could, because like mohammadans, anyone who does not nod their heads in agreement with you, is "insulting" or attacking you.

Ron,

Not sure what you're talking about? That post isn't addressed to me.

Look, Ron, you made an honest effort to bury the hatchet last night. I praised you for that & I felt we were clear, clean slate. But...if you want to continue this crap and go a few more rounds, that's fine with me, let's do it, sport. If you don't, let's, as my dad used to say, "Let's let those sleepin' dogs lie. What's your pleasure, Ron?

G

I asked you last night if you thought your "stuff it" response was in line with your supposed Christian values.
You never answered that. Is that a tough one for you?

When YOU chose to pick a fight with me, I informed you that my post wasn't addressed to you. If you had read it, you would have known that. But, being a belligerent little trigger-happy wannabe, you jumped anyway, didn't you?

You're a cowardly hypocrite, lacking the ability to admit when you're wrong and make it right. You claim to be a Christian, but you only get upset when you think someone "insults." your God. But you're quick to violate the principles of your own (supposed) faith. You more resemble a muslim than a Christian.

I have NOTHING in the world against Christians. It's hypocrites like YOU, of any claimed faith, that I find loathesome.

I'm done with you, too. You're morally bankrupt and with your un-Christian behavior, you're spiritually destitute.

Goodbye...

Mr Spencer could not inspired a massacre against innocent civilians. He inspired a massacre against all terrorists jihadists rapists robbers murderers who kill innocents in Muslim countries.

http://www.hark.com/clips/ncqjnwfmpr-bon-voyage

Notice, "Dot," that I never started with you. But here you are, piling-on, wanting to keep the antagonism going. It's really a bad idea; you are the weakest link. Try to lighten-up. take a laxative or something.

Done with you, too.

Buhbye...

Thank you for reading it, JeffS.

"call me a mohammedan.."

No, you harpy. It was your hypocrite in arms who called me a mohammadan.

I never called you a mohamamdan. I compared hateful, Un-Christian like holy rollers like you and your pals to mohammadans who lash out at anyone that does not believe just like you. And, yes, I called the three of you screech monkeys clowns. If you three can't take it, don't dish it out.

And as I told ron, if your ignorance (none of you can read a post and understand it), and hate are born of your god then yes, YOUR god is a sky monster and it's represented very while by the likes of you. Uptight, frigid, hateful, spiteful hypocrite that you are.

Apparently your god is as weak as allah the impotent in that he needs lithium deprived harpies like you to defend him.

Heaven help any progeny you have. May they not turn out like hypocritical, uptight, ignorant sour pusses like you.

I have zero respect for holy roller like you. As I mentioned earlier YOU will be one of them that goes after the Hindus or Jews or those not sufficiently Christian enough when you think you have the upper hand.

Kepha, I don't mean this as a challenge. I'm genuinely interested. Can you cite places in the Bible that require one to think that God -- whatever, beyond love, God is -- can you cite passages that require one to think God not merely powerful and knowledgeable, but literally omniscient and omnipotent? (By the way, Kepha, I think one can reasonably entertain the notion that JC was God, and the Incarnation the hinge of all earthly, human, and cosmic evolution, without thinking that God is omnipotent or omniscient.)

The second question I'd ask is, how do you reconcile the concepts of divine omnipotence and omniscience with the existence of human freedom? Is it your view that God could control every thing that exists, and could know every thing that is happening and going to happen, but decides not to control or to know everything, in order to permit freedom?

To my understanding, our freedom means that God does not know in advance what we are going to decide to do. If God knew in advance everything we were going to decide, then the "decision" wouldn't really be a decision. It would be set in advance, and the decision-making process would be a sham. I don't believe freedom is a sham, and therefore I don't believe that God -- whatever God might be apart from love -- knows in advance everything we are going to decide to do in life. Thus God is not omniscient. And since we are free beings, God is also not omnipotent. We are not merely his puppets.

Perhaps one might be able in some reasonable fashion to conceive God as formerly and potentially omnipotent and omniscient, but choosing to withhold those potentials to allow created beings, or the human ones, freedom?

What do you think? (To my atheist and agnostic friends: My apologies for having this theological discussion. I don't mean to annoy anyone, and I respect atheists and agnostics.)

(To my atheist and agnostic friends: My apologies for having this theological discussion. I don't mean to annoy anyone, and I respect atheists and agnostics.)

Not at all. I enjoy these exchanges and often learn something about the subtleties of the texts and how different people interpret them.

addendum to my above reply to Kepha:

Kepha I could swear somewhere in the Old Testament there is a dialogue -- perhaps between Moses and God -- or anyway, one of the patriarchs and God -- in which the patriarch pronounces something near to a reprimand/correction of God, and asks God to change something God is doing. And I could swear that God's response was to accept the reprimand/correction!

If my memory of that is accurate, then it suggests the Biblical conception allows that the highest being can learn from creatures. If that can be, then, again, we must not conceive the highest being, God, whatever infinitude God might be, as omniscient.

Further, if the highest being, God, whatever God is, is a living, ever new God, and eternally evolves in its divinity, then again, that highest being is apparently not omniscient. The newness, to be really new, must be new also to God. If God already had complete knowledge of the new in advance, the new would in effect have pre-existed, and would not really be new. The "new" would then be a sham. Since I don't think the new is a sham, I again suppose that God, whatever God is, is not omniscient. Perhaps "God" has creative, loving, non-physical power of numerous or even infinite kinds, and is superlative to, yet one with, all other beings, but is not literally omniscient, does not know, for example, the exact form of the future created in concert with free, independent, unpredictable human beings.

"Now, as one who says jiaozi rather than gyoza, I ask if you've ever lived in Japan?"

Yes, I lived in Japan for about 3 years. Very nice people and some really good food!

There have been some interesting suggestions for other recipes. I've also found that you can re-heat cooked gyoza in the microwave if you cover them with damp paper towelling. That way they don't wind up like hard plastic cat toys.

This conversation has made me so hungry! It's hard to find the round wrappers needed to make them crescent-shaped. I'll have to talk to a friend who owns a Chinese restaurant and see if he can help.

Thank you Istanbul_Chick, you're one of the friends I was referring to. Not that I thought you would mind the discussion. Based on your comments I was fairly sure you wouldn't mind, but it's good to hear it from you anyway.

Talking about setting god right by his creation here is one factoid to use against the muslims and their supposedly all wise all knowing allah.

In the Koran in the "night journey" chapter it mentions that muhammed went up to heaven where he met allah. Allah wanted all of his followers to do the Islamic prayers 50 times a day. But muhammed was able to convince allah that 5 times would be much better. How is that for a creation of allah telling allah what to do ? That means his creation is wiser and more knowing than allah.

Here is what allah really wanted humanity to do. For 50 prayers in a day, it would mean you must pray 50 times in a day by which it’s safe to say would be 16 hours provided you sleep for 8 hours. That mean you must pray 3 times every hour with 4 times at beginning and end of day.

How to pray to allah? You first do the ablution; than you lay down your carpet facing Mecca and that you say the prayers while kneeling down and repeatedly striking the floor with your head. Then you finish and take you carpet with you. The whole process should take minimum 5 minutes though you may use up 10 minutes. So 15 to 30 minutes per hour will be used up to pray. Can you imagine you are in a meeting with muslims and they have to break every 10 minutes to do the Islamic prayers? Or at work 15 – 30 minutes will be used up just for prayers. But that’s what allah really intended and a true follower of allah will do it for him.

Yes, desidude, that's an interesting story from the point of view of Allah's uncompromising omnipotence.

Tell ya what, Traeh, if you want to discuss divine attributes from a Christian perspective, I also blog at unclecephas.blogspot.com

exsgtbrown wrote:

Somalians are starving and now the Muslims in charge are banning food...Ain't Islam grand?.
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So true...

Jackson Timbers wrote:

At the height of the Iraq War, AQ in Iraq banned ice cream because ice craem wasn't available to Mohammad. An exception was made for AK-47s, though.
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Isn't that always the way? Falafels were banned somewhere in Dar-al-Islam a few years ago by some other pious nutjobs, and at least one poor falafel vendor was also murdered.

Why? Because there were no falafels in the dark ages Arabia of "the Prophet", so they have to be considered an "un-Islamic innovation".

But Bi'da has never really applied to weaponry—odd, what? sarc/off The latest rifle, explosive, or nuke is eagerly embraced by the Ummah.

Tanstaafl wrote:

I'll bet French bakers are breathing easy. I imagine the Croissant is halal.
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I wouldn't be so sure, Tanstaafl. While such tales are almost certainly apocryphal, stories of the origin of the Croissant include the legend that it was invented in Vienna in 1683 to celebrate the defeat of the Ottomans by Hungarian forces in the siege of the city, as a reference to the crescents on the Ottoman flags—when bakers staying up all night heard the tunneling operation and gave the alarm.

Sounds pretty Haram to me...

Caesar1 | July 26, 2011 3:00 PM | Reply
*FacePalm*

This group is made up of a bunch of retards, that much is clear.

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Muslims around the world talk like the Somalian retards banning the samosa. I have seen and heard it on various 'ground zeroes' and absurd talk is just the way they communicate! Here we have 2 examples of Islamic smart talk-

* Some ancient Hindu shrine was getting structurally unstable because the gates of the shrine were facing the mosque built 2 years ago.. at a distance of nearly 'one and a half' Miles! Alla has a mood!

* Heard of Japan's Nuclear disaster and earthquake being Alla's mood swings for the Asians not bowing to him?
Take this for a change- Alla was angry with mainland Pakistani army because they were not bowing to him 5 times a day, thus, Pakistan lost Bangladesh to 'freedom' assisted by India and subsequently Pakistan also lost wars to India because the soldiers didn't bow to Alla 5 times a day. All bowing should have been done amidst the ongoing war!

The list as they say is never ending! They just keep entertaining and scaring the wits out of people!

jdow

you wrote -"I suppose next they are going to outlaw geodesic structures because they are made of triangles. And then they have to outlaw triangle bracing in structures like bridges or walls for buildings. I'm sitting here giggling over what they might do next in their abject fear of "three"."

That's one of the things that occurred to me, too. How on earth, if they decide to ban all visible triangle shapes, are they going to get anything built that will stay up?

Istanbul Chick

I've been reading your posts with interest since you first turned up here.

I was totally shocked when 'Dot' (who is a very recent poster here) claimed you were a Mohammedan troll. I just don't get that vibe off you at all.

(I've been away from the forum for some days and am only just now catching up, reading through the threads I missed, which is why I didn't join the discussion earlier).

Irish background, eh? I was born under a good Irish name myself.

There are a lot of regulars here that I'd love to be able to invite to dinner - and you're one of them.