Today I was on Michael Coren's TV show out of Toronto, discussing the mainstream media's exploitation of the Norway tragedy to defame the anti-jihad movement. (Video courtesy the superb Blazing Cat Fur.)
Spencer interviewed by Michael Coren of SunTV on Norway smears
Besides, it so useful for us extremist types if you do all the thinking for us!
Proud to be a Spencer dupe & lackey /sarc
You see, along with the persecution come opportunity to get the message out. That was great.
Bravo Robert Spencer and Michael Coren!
The most significant part of this interview is Spencer's prediction that Obama will impose or call for the censorship of any anti-jihad, anti-Islam website or publication. We have Anders Behring Breivik to thank for helping to make that a distinct possibility. His criminal actions simply racheted up the likelihood.
I am not familiar with Mr. Coren, but clearly he's one of the good guys who 'gets it'!
I especially appreciate that he touched upon the fact that this horrible tragedy will now be used to silence those who speak out against jihad. (Among others.) The second I learned of the attacks, I knew those concerned about this issue and who speak out against it would be blamed. (As would Christians, when this man was falsely labeled as a Christian.) I knew immediately that the next step would be to silence us. We cannot let this happen.
Thank you also, Robert, for always having such a warm attitude and good sense of humor. I can't even imagine how difficult and stressful all of this has been, and yet you are able to smile and be gracious. How anyone could claim that you are violent, teach violence or condone violence in any way is beyond me.
We love you, we stand behind you, and we are thankful for you and everyone at JW, as well as elsewhere, who continues to stand boldly for freedom, no matter the cost.
Michael Coren is a Christian covert from Judaism, who has been published several times. His books are generally, intellectual biographies.
Yes. How can anyone think that this gentle man could be inspiring terror? Well, they don't listen to him. They take the word of their leaders and the MSM, and follow the herd.
Lots of unfair blame heaped on 'islamaphobes' but none on the TV series The Dexter Factor that Breivik liked.
Article is very worth reading.
http://bigpeace.com/nmay/2011/07/27/the-norway-mass-murder-the-dexter-factor/
The Norway Mass Murder: The Dexter Factor
[snip]
There are several glaring discrepancies in media coverage of the heartbreaking and enraging attack in Norway, but this one is obvious: this mass murderer “Andrew Berwick,” aka “Anders Behring Breivik” was a fan of a show about a serial killer that is widely reported to have been watched by, and said to have inspired, other murderers.
Of course, why would the media ever report on that? It is, to use that always useful phrase, “an inconvenient truth.”
Obama and his administration treat all of his opponents as extremist and beyond the pale of Polite Society. As Robert said in a JW comment, "They can't silence all of us."
Look what I found. I guess Our message has been around for a while - just forgotten.
"The precept of the Koran is perpetual war against all who deny that Mohamed is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force." John Quincy Adams
The two quotes Michael Coren cited and presented are not from Breivik himself commenting on or quoting Robert Spencer. The quotes are from Fjordman articles. Breivik has pasted into his "compendium" (note well, that word compendium) numerous whole articles by various authors, including many by Fjordman.
Quote:
"...Author Robert Spencer, director of the website Jihad Watch, who patiently monitors the spread of Jihad terrorism across the world, is another excellent choice..."
This is appears in the Fjordman article, which is properly labeled as "by Fjordman," called "Nobel Peace Prize Awarded for Appeasement of Jihad… again," When Fjordman refers to Robert as an "excellent choice," he means for the Nobel Peace Prize. Fjordman also mentions Hirsi Ali and Bat Ye'or among other possible candidates.
Other quote:
Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims
By Fjordman
"...It is easy to dismiss these ideas as marginal, but, as Robert Spencer[68] warns, even if there is no chance of establishing a worldwide caliphate, that doesn’t mean that these groups aren’t dangerous..."
Again, this is in an article by Fjordman, titled "Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims".
I haven't seen any instances in the 1500-page document where Breivik himself quotes Robert, though he does paste in two large pieces where Robert is quoted (along with other authors) in those sources, and one article written by Robert. I think this is an important distinction. Fjordman has obviously read and followed Spencer's work for several years and has a firm conceptual grasp of it. (And, even so, Fjordman arrived at some views that differed from Robert's in important respects). I question whether Breivik had actually processed Robert's work in any significant depth.
Breivik writes superficially about preserving the great freedoms of western civilization, while in the same document he is talking about basically committing treason through massively violent overthrow of European governments, killing children, cooperating with Al Qaeda and the Iranian regime to obtain WMDs with which to kill millions of Westerners, forcing people to convert to Christianity (i.e., Breivik's nationalistic version of this which apparently includes Norse religions), killing people for expressing the wrong kind of ideas, and so on. Obviously, all of this is anethema to everything Spencer has advocated. That is besides the remarkable incoherence of Breivik's thought on these matters.
typo above: anathema
JQA was an Islamophobe?!
Our side insists on leading with the chin (as the fighters say).
Norway's Labour Party are sitting ducks should someone on our side have the common sense to hit those quisling sacks of shit with every thing we have.
This attachments are damaging. Too bad our side prefers to play the wounded puppy role, while allowing the enemy's position of strength to increase exponentially. I am seeing nothing but masochism against Labour Party sadists.
Glad to see you're being given opportunities to challenge the smears.
Hmm, I don’t know…Robert doesn’t have a blind eye “floating like a grape,” and he doesn’t have “Kafir” scrawled on his forehead. On the other hand, maybe Robert’s just got a really good makeup person – in fact, probably a ZIONIST makeup person!
Well he can call for it but as long as anti-jihad sites do not advocate violence against muslims, I don't see how he can do it. It is not Mr. Spencer's obligation to prove to anyone that he has never demonized muslims or incited hate and violence against them. That is the obligation of his accusers and the lying bastards cannot do it!
If Congress attempts to pass any legislation limiting free speech, all hell will break loose in this country. Everyone I know and talk to is deeply worried and frustrated about the economy, the financial mess the idiots in Washington have created, Obama's deliberate attempts to crash our economy and 'remake' America, the possibility that there will be no money in the social security fund when it's time to collect, and the overall malaise that began with this administration. Gas prices keep rising, power plants are closing all over the country due to strangulation by Obama's EPA, creating higher costs and eventual shortages and blackouts. These and a multitude of other problems deliberately created by Obama and his Marxist stooges have the American people on edge, poised for the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back.
If the arrogant democrat pricks in Washington decree that we are no longer permitted to discuss the deadly threat of islam and muslims after what they inflicted on this country, and the 17,000+ islamic terror attacks since 9/11, that could be the tipping point. Most people have never experienced as adults a crippling, life-changing recession like this one, which has been needlessly exacerbated by deliberate sabotage and/or stupid, liberal policies that are proven failures. The economic climate combined with more musim appeasement and special privileges from Washington could create the perfect storm that the politicians in their cloistered little Washington world don't ever want to see. Obama has shoved BS down our throats since the day he took office, his despicable health care bill being the most resented and loathed. I have to believe that even the arrogant, wannabe tyrant Obama is not stupid enough to abrogate our right to free speech on behalf of our mortal enemies.
Mr Spencer is the messenger bringing the message. It's as simple as that.
O/T - but, how long before this : http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mpaa-wins-uk-court-case-216506 kinda thing starts happening to these kind of sites?
Not long methinks, now the precedent is being set.
I was disgusted today when I heard the John Tory show on CFRB where Michael also appears on Sunday @ 4:00 pm in repeat shows of his TV version.
Check out your King hearing for the attendance of a Canadian Somali that blamed the candian Goverment for the 21 Muslims in Toronto that returned to Somali for Jihad fighting, Hussein said that canada must provide a 100% employment among Muslim males to stop them from being Radicalized( sorry if you yaks use a S and not Z )and turning to terrorism.
WTF was that crap, during the Depression the USA had one of the lowest Crime-rates and almost no Muslims in America.
So this Peace-Filled Somali Muslim actually wants to incite Jihad Slaughters on canadian soil by State Sanctioned attacks on islamofascists???
What better way to enrage all Muslim males to go Jihad in canada by the Federal Gov. now taking and stand to do the dirty work the Muslims should be doing.
I will try to find the news item from the Toronto Star where a Mob of Somali Muslims tried to beat-up the police and torch the Police car after the same Muslims cried islamphobia when the Police weren't doing enough to kicj drug dealers out of the Dixon&Kipling (near the airport where bogus Refugess destroyed their passports on the planes and then make a Refugee claim at Pearson Airport and go Directly to awaiting somali groups educated in the Refugee Fraud methods in canada) Litte-Somalia .
First off, the Police patrolled the area and found a drug-pusher that was about to be put in the car.But he was a Muslim, so a mob closed in on the Cruiser and threw rocks and sticks at the Police. It got so bad the Polcie told the drug dealer they had to shove him in the car and drive away to finish the arrest in a safe area.
Hmmmmm, stop the Crime on Muslims but don't stop muslim on muslim crime by drug pusher poisoning their kids.
The Police actually protected the criminal because they feared if was in the back seat and the mob tocked the car the man would burn to death and enrage more muslims for what somali's did.
The the other News item of the Somali refugee faking an assualt by the police and then using lawfare to sue candian taxpayers. The muslim youth had muslim friends that called in a Gun fire report to the Police right from a parking lot , they waited for the Police car and prevoke a response by lingering around and not answering questions.
The assumption of a gun made it tense and the Police didn't need a smart-ass Somali punk taunting them .
The punk was approached and then the police arrested him, BUT and thats a BIG BUT....seems that this was a lawfare Scam because the arrest went to Court and a Somali Lawyer claimed Police brutallity and Racial profiling.
Once the Police gave their side of the story , a "Mystery" video shows up from a Black reporter that hates the police and came from a high-crime area among his kind.
The Judge is shocked at the suppressed evidence withheld for 2 weeks whiel the trail went on. But guess what folks, once the die was cast for a $$$$ lawfare claim from racism by this Somali punk, we find out that the Mystery video from a Montreal "Tourist" -that FOUND it on their camera once back home from Toronto- and it didn't have any Audio and was filmed from the driver seats of a SUV the Punk stood next to durin gthe Gun Fire call to 911.
But wait......the TOURIST was the relative of the Punk and never told the Judge...nor did the black reporter from City TV admit it for 14 days as he suppressed Evidence in a Criminal trial.
How nice that a Somali punk and Jihadists not only make Refugee claims in canada but then try to rause money for the war back home and must Fabricate crimes to use Lawfare and Insurance fraud to get Paid-Off by the City of Toronto for what the Plcie alleged top have done.
Why the hell would a female stay in a remote unlit parking area when there is Gun Fire for the 911 call and she knows that Polic will want witnesses.
The Relative of the Somali drove back to montreal and the Scam unfolded as planned. Anyone with a CamCorder must make the choice to turn off the Audio,so they HAD to HAVE know it and plotted the scam to confuse the public by a video that was a set-up for the cops and to get terrorism funding via Lawfare because Banks were now held to report large money amount for Muslim accounts while they are Refugees, or muslim business tied to gaza and iran.
It's not the job of Non-Muslims to define Islam or Muslims. They need to stop their F'in Jihad slaughters
and claiming the Non-muslims caused it because of high unemployment by Muslims dressed like females and don't bathe very often.
Sorry folks but the hard-core Somali Muslims are used to heat and sweat and very little fresh water to stay clean and avoid body odor.
How dare the self-professed LEADER of the Somali's go to the King hearings and speak for 32 million non-muslims tha get blamed by him because our taxes aren't high enough to give all Somalis Jobs-4-Life. How insulting for him to paint Muslims as predisposed to terrorism and crime if they don't have a job,lots of poor people aren't criminals or mass murderers for their God. 15 of the 9/11 murderers were Muslims from saud Arabia and not poor.
This interview was a good one, the other interview on the radio (alan colmes) was not good at all!
We, who know the truth about islam, know that robert is right, but the listeners out there who heard that radio show with alan colmes and have no clue about the whole matter will very likely think negative of robert, after this radio interview!
Robert you can not talk over the moderator, even if you are right (which you were)it just looks bad and you obviously underestemated the interviewer, because to those who do not know about what you do, it must have seamed that the radio interviewer had you by the short and curlies, in short, you totally lost in that interview, as far as the uneducated public is concerned and whenever they hear about you, they will dismiss you as a a guy with double standards.
I know you are not, but the interviewer alan colmes clearly made you look like that to the mainstream public and thats what matters, because they need to know the truth and they maybe will never get it, since they, thanks to that radio interview, think that you are a jerk (which you are not)and thats really bad.
Maybe next time you get in an interview like that, have some ppl with you who support you with ideas & answers, so you wont fall for the booby traps of the interviewer.
It is clear to any sane person that there is no connection between Norway killer and anti - jihadists. But it will take some time and effort to live down the fact that he claimed to be inspired by anti - jihadists. Indian Hindu Nationalists also felt some heat from the Norwegian fire.
This episode is reminiscent of how Nathuram Godse's action affected the Hindu anti - jihadist movement in India. His one action set us back by at least 50 years. For those who don't know, Godse assassinated Gandhi since Gandhi supported Muslims' demand in the face of a brutal partition of India demanded by Muslims. Hundreds of thousands died in riots initiated by Muslims. Gandhi's continued sympathy for Muslim demands angered all Hindu nationalists, one of them tipped over into insanity and put us all behind by half a century.
Sanjay
I've watched Michael Coren for years and have corresponded with him occasionally. He is very well-informed and insightful and know how to ask the right questions. Good that this interview happened.
btw Canada has the largest diaspora of somalis outside that country. (I live in Toronto where most of them settle, Edmonton, Alberta has a big problem with them also - somali drug related gangs)
Is that Miskatonic University in the background there, Mr Spencer?
I assume you were invited by Prof. Shirk to give a lecture ;-)
I came on to compliment Robert for his steadfastness in the face of the horrendous accusations and implications from the media after the Norway massacre, but find that Mo's done a pretty neat job of it. I concur wholeheartedly with all said there.
And SusanP - I knew I liked you; thanks for your excellent synopsis of Obamanation, which proves why, once again.
Another Michael Coren piece that this audience might appreciate can be found here.
In particular, note Tarek Fatah schooling Naheed Mustafa on Islam's historical relationship to Jews at about 5:09, Coren's comeback to her regarding Islam's negative views of Jews predating the current "Palestinian" troubles at 7:15, and Coren's shock toward the end (about 12:13) at a "learned guest's" statement that the New Testament blames Jews (and all their future generations) for the death of Christ.
Interesting.
Hi Mo. Mr. Coren is as good a person as one can be and he certainly is one of Canada's truly great TV personalities.
He comes across to me as a quiet scholar. By that I mean he knows the answers to most of the questions he asks but he leaves it for his guests to answer those questions fully.
Below, is a link to a high point in his TV career (to my mind anyway). On his TV show he interviewed Bat Ye'or and Sam Soloman at the same time! Up to that point I wasn't even aware of Mr. Soloman's existence. I'm glad I found out about him.
Actually the show is spread across 5 video clips and all five are more than worth your time. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBP-XCwlhbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU6wLA5XNLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vonJ2kUuw3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uryulOslcb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwsMdut-K4Q
@ Peter -
Thanks for the info, and the links!
You are welcome Mo. I hope you find them as worthwhile as I did. They also give you a pretty good idea as to what Coren is about and why he is respected in Toronto.
He did make one mistake in the interview and I am glad that Solomon called him to task for it.
As I recall, Coren made reference to the beautiful passages of the Coren, and Solomon immediately called him to task by saying "What beautiful passages are you referring to Michael?"
Coren, had no real response to this question. He didn't know of any.
Coren, had fallen into the typical trap that many in the West fall into. He assumed some sort of equivalency between the Qur'an and the Old Testament and the New Testament. Or the Qur'an and the texts of any other major religion (including many dead ones).
Now, Coren is very well read, and he is aware of the dangers posed by Islamism; but he had not read the Qur'an at that point. I think that is why Solomon in the interview said "You disappoint me Michael."
I'm glad Solomon set him straight. It probably means that by now Coren has read the Qur'an and understands the problem even better.
Anyway, nice talking to ya Mo. Have a nice day.
I'm so proud of you Robert- you always look so distinquished and sound so convincing . I wish there were about 50 more like you; maybe then then we could begin to smother out the heartbreaking cries of Muslims and radical leftists who think your'e a meanie ! Poor souls.
BTW : VEE,
Speaking of "horrendous accusations " Geert Wilders is being cruicfied !
And he's got a career in politics that's likely to tank because of it.
Why isn't he getting any support ?
Kinana of Khaybar wrote:
Breivik writes superficially about preserving the great freedoms of western civilization, while in the same document he is talking about basically committing treason through massively violent overthrow of European governments, killing children, cooperating with Al Qaeda and the Iranian regime to obtain WMDs with which to kill millions of Westerners...
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Thanks for citing this, Kinana. It has to be noted that Anders Breivik *is not* an anti-Jihadist—not in any recognizable sense.
Mo wrote:
Thank you also, Robert, for always having such a warm attitude and good sense of humor. I can't even imagine how difficult and stressful all of this has been, and yet you are able to smile and be gracious. How anyone could claim that you are violent, teach violence or condone violence in any way is beyond me.
We love you, we stand behind you, and we are thankful for you and everyone at JW, as well as elsewhere, who continues to stand boldly for freedom, no matter the cost.
Ron Morgan wrote:
Yes. How can anyone think that this gentle man could be inspiring terror? Well, they don't listen to him. They take the word of their leaders and the MSM, and follow the herd.
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Mo and Ron, I heartily concur with you both!
Thanks for reminding us about Geert.
For those who wish to find out what is happening with *him*, there are some updates on his situation, here.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1762&Itemid=1
"Wilders furious at 'witch hunt' after the Norwegian drama"
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Robert, just come clean--admit it--you are Islam's expected antagonist, the Dajjal !!