In this report I appear for about five seconds, denying responsibility for the psychopath's murders in Norway. These seconds were taken from an interview with NBC's Michael Isikoff that lasted ten or fifteen minutes. At one point Isikoff brought up the Southern Poverty Law Center, but when I began responding that the SPLC was a hard-Left propaganda outfit that defames everyone to its right, Isikoff cut me off and said he didn't want to make the segment about the SPLC. Now I know why: in the report as it aired yesterday, an SPLC shill immediately follows my appearance and does her best to frame me for the crime.
And here is more "journalism" from the Leftist tool Isikoff:
In this one, Isikoff claims that there has been a "surge" of "right wing attacks" in the last couple of years -- since Obama has been president (racism implication noted). This is sheer Leftist fantasy; meanwhile, Isikoff and NBC completely ignore the very real and readily documented surge in jihad plots in the U.S. over the last two years.
I think that the leftist liberals are just as brain dead as Muslims. Their ideology has to be similar or same as those of Muslims/Islam which renders every follower become totally brain dead. They lose all their capacity to distinguish between right and wrong and good and evil.
Words can be weapons themselves.
Isikoff is plagiarizing this idea from Hillary, who thought it up during a test on the topic of hate crime legislation she took in a Constitutional Law class at Yale Law.
*** Tabari 7:97 ***
We carried Ka'b's head and brought it to Mohammed during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah's enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf's head before his feet. Mohammed praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror...
But when Moslems use words as weapons, they at least have the class to do it in the metaphorical sense of a personal internal struggle for Jihad peace inside the Moslem's troubled haid.
*** 33:21 ***
Again, the scandal widens. Did Spencer intentionally inicite anti-Jihadist bloggers into violent action by instilling in them a false need for self-defense?
That is the question for all of us to axe ourselves.
Isikoff needs to learn Quran first before surmonizing others.
18,000 Islamic Jihad attacks in last decade. And yet the 'Media' are interested only in this 1 non-islamic act of terrorism.
Do I detect a bias here?
This was indeed an horrendous and perfidious outrage. But what about all the others?
In the week Jul 09 - Jul. 15, 101 people were killed in Isalmic Jihad attacks. And the previous week? More or less the same. And next week? It will be the same.
This cruel and cowardly attack by an armed man against unarmed young people is a rare event.
Jihad is not rare.
While I am horrified, like everyone else, by this callous carnage, I am equally horrified by the carnage produced daily by Islamic Jihad which the Media choose to ignore.
Isikoff is what we in the UK call a 'pillock'. I feel UK readers will concur...
In German news now, the Islam-loving Leftists are in full march, exploiting this incident, trying so deceitfully to limit freedom of speech, in criticizing Islam. The evil Nazis are back in increasingly full force just like when Islam-loving Socialist Hitler first got into power - by targeting freedom of speech first! However, a Norwegian expert from Norwegian Institute of International Affairs - is brave enough to challenge ruling Islam-loving Labour-Socialist Govt of Norway, to take responsibility for being UNDEMOCRATIC when not listening to many ordinary frustrated Norwegians by allowing massive foreign migration (for the votes - of course; that's how they stay in power)!
At - http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2011/07/norway-it-was-attack-against-labour.html
Sunday, July 24, 2011
Norway: "It was an attack against the Labour Party"
See short video.
... in this 1 non-islamic act of terrorism.
This is an important point, cuz Breivik did mean to strike terror into the hearts of his countrymen. He wanted to alert them to the clear and present threat of Islamification, and he thought he'd get his point across by murdering several dozen Secularist school children and popping one off downtown just to show those midguided globo-socialists a thing or two.
Well of course it is a "false need for self-defense" because Brian Williams himself carefully allays our concerns. It is only "perceived threat from Islam" (@ 0:22).
Unfortunately, the next time there is a jihadist incident left- wing morons will point to this clown to say that terrorism is not restricted to islam when in fact that behaviour is a key component of islamic ideology. 17,400+ terrorists acts to date have been islamic - two, this one and Oklahoma, were not,
This specific incident has nothing to do with religious teaching and everything to do with one deranged individual.
Islamist militants initially heralded this news as a major blow against the infidel and then (when they found out who did it) used the same incident to say that the West was too quick to say it was a muslim atrocity....
This clown not only murdered a bunch of innocents he did all of us in the west a huge disservice by taking focus away from the real problem.
The left owns the MSM, and is using their media arm as a weapon of deception. It is not only the Muslims that believe "War is deceit".
Words can be weapons themselves.
Yes they are and plenty of them are being used in just such a way against Spencer, Geller and other anti-jihadists...Word magic and word trickery are the forte of the depraved psychopath...This is an attempt to manufacture public opinion...but it is actually an insult to the intelligence of the public...The leftist, or otherwise depraved, propagandists, is only appealing to other depraved psychopaths...You cannot convince a normal person to join you in your psychopathic derangement, they are way to normal...Normal people are repulsed by assassinating word weapons...
Spencer responds to smear charges, found guilty in NBC News report
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Keith Olbermann prominently featured screen shots of the Jihad Watch web site on his opening promo yesterday. I probably should have watched the segment; but this slander has been making me physically ill, and I passed.
I'm glad Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are out there fighting for their good names and the integrity of the stance against Jihad, but—as this article shows—the deck is deliberately stacked.
The idea that peacefully *chronicling savagery* means one is advocating violence oneself is grotesque.
Trying to pin this homicidal maniac's acts on those standing against Jihad is not going to slow the Jihad down—if successful, it will just render us even more vulnerable to its depredations.
The evil Nazis are back in increasingly full force just like when Islam-loving Socialist Hitler first got into power - by targeting freedom of speech first!
Yeah, maybe, Katharina, but show me one example of a Jihad mass murder operation on Norwegian soil. Ever.
I'm surprised Isikoff and Bryan didn't point that out. In Norway, we sit at Anti-Jihadist 1, Moslems 0. And that's a fact. An important central fact that speaks volumes.
"He wanted to alert them to the clear and present threat of Islamification"
Well for sure he went about it the wrong way.
It has been noted in the press that many sympathise with his cause, but not with his methods.
Sent the following to one our 'brave' local radio talk show hosts:
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:02 AM
Subject: You are smart to stay away from Spencer.
Just think, if you had interviewed him on your program like I asked, you might be part of an NBC investigation.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/spencer-responds-to-smear-charges-found-guilty-in-nbc-news-report.html
A further clarification.
There can be no justification for this slaughter of the innocents.
It was a trap. The only reason they asked Mr Spencer to appear was to have a face for the attack on him.
The Islam-loving Socialist Left is equally evil to the Muslim fanatics/Islam - and I will keep on saying that (don't ever forget, Hitler was an Islam-loving Socialist no matter how much the Left wants us to forget that)! They don't mind bombing Jewish children, just to please Islam and their Muslim savage comrades! See - http://europenews.dk/en/node/41655
NORWAY: SOCIALIST LEFT PARTY TO VOTE ON MOTION CALLING FOR BOMBING ISRAEL IF IT ACTS AGAINST HAMAS IN GAZA
Tundra Tabloids 29 March 2011
It’s come to this. The junior partner in the Norwegian government, the Socialist Left Party of Kristin Halvorsen, (Sosialistisk Venstreparti), plans to vote on a measure calling for military action against Israel if it decides to act against the Hamas in Gaza. Norway, Israel and the Jews blog informs the Tundra Tabloids of the following:Socialistic Left dubious moral tradeoff for bombing Libya: Use armed force against Israel.....
An "Islamophobe" is a non-Muslim who know too much about Islam
Keep up your excelent fight Robeert,
against the coward quislings, the mainstream media
It was a trap. The only reason they asked Mr Spencer to appear was to have a face for the attack on him.
The professional journalists working in the highly regarded NBC newsroom got the job done. The quick cut to Spencer brought to mind John Gotti uttering a monosyllabic blanket denial on his way into the courthouse.
Can Isikoff list right wing attacks since Obama has been elected? I can't think of any.
Off the top of my head in America since Obama has been elected, there was the Dallas car bomb plot, the Baltimore car bomb plot, the Springfield car bomb plot, the Portland car bomb plot, there was Daniel Boyd, James Cromitie, there was Ford Hood, there was the Arkansas shooting, there was the underwear bomber, there was the Times Square bomb attempt, there was the Revolution Moslem threat, there was the Saudi from Texas who wanted to kill Bush, and that's just off the top of my head!
In that same time period elsewhere in the west there was the murders by Arid Uka in Germany, the Stockholm suicide attack, a Jihad school shooting in Brazil, and uncountable instances of street Jihad and Hisbah in Europe.
But yeah, all things are equal in every respect.
Mr. Isikoff's mind is made up. Why confuse him with the facts?
There may be many newcomers here who, in light of the recent bombing and shooting spree in Norway, have come to Jihad Watch to learn about who Robert Spencer is.
I have followed Jihad Watch for years. I have read all of Robert's books. I have watched all of his debates online... I have never ever read or seen anything from Robert which could have been twisted to endorse or advocate the kind of senseless murder we saw in Norway.
Robert is a passionate, kind-natured, and articulate defender of human, individual, and women's rights and human freedoms... He is a strong advocate of freedom of speech and of expression. He is someone who cares deeply about others and who has a profound respect for human life and human dignity.
Those who would attempt to vilify or demonize Robert for having some part in this senseless killing spree are making a false and extraordinarily lazy moral equivalency.
Let us please attempt to have some perspective.
Do not let these senseless attacks by Anders Breivik, who is clearly a sick psychopath individual, blind you to the truth.
Radical Islam (not all Muslims, obviously) is an ideology of hatred, misogyny, and bigotry, and has been the number 1 purveyor of worldwide human rights abuses in the last 10 years.
In fact, lest we forget... there have been at least 17,500 individual acts of terror since 9/11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Some estimates put the number of victims in the hundreds of thousands. In the past five years, according to the documentary film "Killing in the name" (nominated for an academy award last year), over 88,000 people have been killed by Islamic extremists in the last 5 years alone:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1684897/
While the Norway attack was horrific, and tragic, and despicable... (and immediately denounced by virtually everyone on "the hard right" including Robert Spencer) it simply does not hold a candle to to the kind of violence, and hatred, and misogyny that we have seen by radical Islamists since 9/11.
And Robert, I think I speak for many here when I say that we stand behind you, we are grateful for your sacrifice and your commitment to truth, and we thank you for being who you are: A strong, determined defender of human rights, and a true American patriot.
Robert, do you have a video of the FULL interview? If so can you post it?
I'd bet they didn't allow that, did they?
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
That's the standard Alinski demonization from these talking turds at MSNBC.
I know you have experienced this vile agitprop tactic many times before, Mr. Spenser.
These uber-liberal fascists are quick to blame FOX News, the NRA, Sarah Palin, the right-o-sphere, Christianistas, the Easter bunny and the GOP for creating a "climate of hate & violence" whenever a horrid tragedy occurs.
This speaks to another Alinski demonization: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
But as sure as the sun rises, these same uber-liberal fascists can never, never, ever be able to connect the FACTS between vociferous, radical imams preaching the koranic dictates of subjugation & destruction of infidels in the West and the ever increasing 'allahu akbar' violence and death perpetrated by their perpetually angry minions throughout the world in hundreds of bloody terror attacks.
After all, those perpetually angry minions are simply 'misunderstanders' of this religion of peace.
Alinski had one for that, too: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
Don't let the bastages get you down, Robert!
Isakoff is another talking head.
What " surge " of " right wing attacks ", is he talking about ? Maybe I'll check the Southern Moral Poverty Law Center's website, to find out.
But at least Isakoff was " fair ". He even said that some of this is legitimate political speech, and that Spencers work doesn't contain any calls for violence.
That was very thoughtful, of him. This proves that there is no left wing media smear machine.
Right, Isakoff ?
The great thing about Islamic apologetics is that the Muslims don't actually need any. American leftists will do the talking for them. Meanwhile, the SPLC issues orders to the DHS. In fact, Daryl Johnson, who is mentioned in the interview, is a shill for the SPLC.
Oops. I apologize for misspelling your name.
When Koran-inspired Muslims raped, tortured and eventually murdered hundreds of Christian children at the school in Beslan, the media did everything they could to cover up the Muslim involvement: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/beslan-child-rape-torture-enforced.html
Evan, there are moderate Muslims whom most of us here have no problem with, but there is no moderate Islam! How can it be when Islam is created by the RACIST Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws!
It seems as though this is the likely candidate for the "it" thread of the day.
Please, people, don't feed the trolls. It gets old fast, seeing their same fatuous arguments repeatedly in the same comments thread and from thread to thread. Ignore them and they go away, I promise.
Immediately following the SPLC reps slippery slope statement, NBC Nightly news furthers such nonsence with a map indicating anti-Muslim hate crime is on the rise. Had NBC done even the slightest research beyond the obvious CAIR talking points, they would have discovered that ...
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2005 CAIR's Hate Crimes Nonsense
2006 fabricated anti-muslim hate crime
MEF 2010: "Fake Hate Crimes: An Islamist Weapon"
WND 2011 - The bogus anti-Muslim hate-crime wave
FBI Hate Crime Statistics, 2009
As noted in the above "nonsence link" Dr. Pipes actually fisked the FBI stats and revealed the exaggerations, obfuscations as well as the outright fictions involved in several of the so-called 'anti-muslim hate crimes' which remained in that FBI report.
It would be wise to follow-up each such report as it is clearly a trend for these invented events to be documented without correction.
"This [Norway shooting] was indeed an horrendous and perfidious outrage. But what about all the others?
"In the week Jul 09 - Jul. 15, 101 people were killed in Isalmic Jihad attacks. And the previous week? More or less the same. And next week? It will be the same."
Gerard, this is a point that all newcomers to this site should know. EVERY WEEK jihadists perpetrate a 'Norway shooting', but it is spread around the globe, and most importantly THE VICTIMS ARE NOT WHITE. They are Egyptian Copts, Nigerians, Pakistani minorities, Thai Buddists, and others who are just in the way. The MSM is perhaps the most racist major institution left in America.
Want more proof? Remember Pvt. Jessica Lynch? Can anyone name the black female soldier who was captured along with her? Both were in DoD news releases at the same time. Thought not.
This idea that whistle-blowers are somehow responsible for the evil deeds of others is far from new.
Robert can take comfort from the knowledge that Jesus was similarly accused:
John 11;48
"If we let him go on thus, every one will believe in him, and the Romans will come and destroy both our holy place and our nation."
The MSM is quickly becoming a fulfillment of bible prophecy. If you don’t believe me just wait and see.
The MSM is an “Image that teaches lies.”
Habakkuk 2:18 NIV
He ordered them to set up an "image in honor of the beast” (Islam).
Revelation 13:14 NIV
He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, "so that it could speak” (TV)
Revelation 13:15 NIV
I threw my TV away years ago.
Quite so.
"It seems as though this is the likely candidate for the "it" thread of the day.
Please, people, don't feed the trolls. It gets old fast, seeing their same fatuous arguments repeatedly in the same comments thread and from thread to thread. Ignore them and they go away, I promise."
I second the motion.
And is the left going to take responsibility when people become desperate? When people who never believed in violence were slandered, shut out of acceptable culture and demonised by the left? When they are completely denied a place in dialogue? The left claims to be open minded and "Free" but is the complete opposite, it is the absolute height of hypocrisy and fascism. It defames an oppresses people until they feel like they have no normal forms of expression or representation left. The *left* in Norway MADE Anders Breivik and they're trying to make more of him.
I heard of a mystic of a century or so ago who had a vision of people sitting in a room staring at a box from which 'strange lights' were coming. The mystic was amazed that the people were doing nothing but staring at the box. Jesus told the mystic that Satan would enter peoples homes through this device. Of course the mystic had no idea what the 'box' was. Seems to me it was TV.
Of course TV is just a piece of technology and can be used for good or evil. But what can we say about the way TV is being used today?...
(I'll try to find the source/reference.)
Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:
This is an important point, cuz Breivik did mean to strike terror into the hearts of his countrymen. He wanted to alert them to the clear and present threat of Islamification, and he thought he'd get his point across by murdering several dozen Secularist school children and popping one off downtown just to show those midguided globo-socialists a thing or two.
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In that case, Anders Breivik is not only a vile mass murderer, he is also an utter failure.
I believe you yourself were right with what you wrote two days ago, on the "Blame Game" thread:
However you size it up, Anders Breivik's successful mass murder operation is a huge victory for the Moslems. They must be slapping high fives over their Huka pipes today. Now, some would say the Moslem celebration is an over reaction caused by the dark roast bean coffee they swill, but it could just be that they are genuinely happy rat now.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/the-blame-game.html#comment-806488
Isakoff is another talking head.
This statement is offensive, Hoffman. Isikoff is a news entertainer, and you can't deny that fact.
*** Revelation 13:15 ***
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
This is only significant, of course, if you buy into the Islamophobic party line that Moslems are the beasts.
"Don't let the bastages get you down, Robert!"
noli illegitimi carborundum.
"I heard of a mystic of a century or so ago who had a vision of people sitting in a room staring at a box from which 'strange lights' were coming. The mystic was amazed that the people were doing nothing but staring at the box. Jesus told the mystic that Satan would enter peoples homes through this device. Of course the mystic had no idea what the 'box' was. Seems to me it was TV.
Of course TV is just a piece of technology and can be used for good or evil. But what can we say about the way TV is being used today?...
(I'll try to find the source/reference.)"
Please do that brother.
This issue has become a polarizing issue. The left has once again picked the wrong side. I can't imagine why the left drum up this mass-murderer issue and make it a Robert Jensen issue? Does this make any sense at all? I can't believe that the public would buy off on that. Somebody has got to realize that this the 1970s. Back in 1970's the only information that we had for news for was 3 TV news outlets and the newspapers. I thank God for the advent of the internet. We do our own checking. In the end -after all the fog has been lifted - there has to be common sense that has to prevail.
Sorry about that. I meant to say 'Somebody has got to realize that in the 1970s' we only had the 3 TV news channels.
Bullshit, americans will not be minorities in a muslim country any time soon, as we northerners. There is only one way of stopping these things, and it is an easy way; let the people choose if they want to be colonized or not, and stop f*cking those you should SERVE in the ass.
If so, all will be fine.
The people in a country should have the right to decide over their own country. Norwegians didn't want to become "red indians" in less than 100 years in their own country, all polls say they don't - so stop forcing your totalitarian reality-less ideologies on them!
It's easy to understand why the MSM, the 'liberal' left and their fellow travelers have jumped on the Breivik bandwagon.
I googled 'Christian Watch' to find out if there was a mirror image of Jihad Watch.
Y'know what? There isn't. And the reason is so simple. There's nothing to report! There aren't any societies under siege by armed Christians seeking to overthrow democratic or Muslim governments and impose the 10 Commandments.
The staff on any kind of 'Christian Watch' web site would die of boredom. Why? Christianity teaches peace, that's why.
I knew the Media and the "leftists" and the lying CAIR clowns would use the against our good freedom-fighters and anti-jihadists.
It really really pains me to see how this psychopath has undermined all the hard work. As though it were not already challenging enough to inform the masses of the very real threat of Islam... and to get a handle on the escalating "stealth jihad". I am very disturbed for the victims and their loved ones, of this tragedy. But I cannot help but be bothered by the major setback this is causing in the fight against radical Islam. This sickens me on so many levels.
I googled ' Christain Watch ' to find out if there's a mirror image of Jihad Watch. There isn't ".
You just googled the wrong words, Buraq.
Try " The Department of Homeland Security / Janet Napolitano ".
You might get some results.
Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast , and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
Revelation 13:4 NIV
Islam is the WARRING RELIGION.
Somebody has got to realize that in the 1970s' we only had the 3 TV news channels.
Wait a minute, we had the PBS channel too, and they did a lotta news. And they made a lotta news while they were at it. Still are.
Hey, guys, Malcolm X was both an icon of the Left and a Muslim, ergo Islam has to be somehow "noble". I think that a lot of the MSM is just hissy because in this day and age, they can no longer serve as the information gateway to keep the people uninformed.
But, Robert, take heart. In my own extended clan, the first person to declare that he had come to see all Muslims as enemies was someone who has always voted left-of-center. It happened shortly after those imams up in Albany were stockpiling weapons in a mosque a few years back. My own guess is that some of these pundits see themselves as the anointed guardians of all that is just and right, and since they don't really know Islam, they decide that they're going to jump on anyone who criticizes it.
I had to force myself to watch that another display of left's feeding frenzy.
Not so much because I am interested in seeing pornography, but because I know I have to face and fully absorb the reality of the monumental charade taking place here and now.
The leftards are frantically spawning lies, bizarre libels, shameless slander not only out of spite and hate. They are crazily busy creating the smoke screen to conceal the identity of the one true facilitator of Breivik's crime - the Left.
It is on the rotting corpse of the freedom of speech strangled by the Left that the monster inhabiting the mind of Anders Breivik feeds. The Left is doing now all to divert our attention from its primary role in creating the tragedy by assassinating the freedom of expression. The decades of destroying the nation through distortion, crude propaganda, “education” together with inundating the land with hordes of inassimilable and hostile aliens weakened primary element of the glue that holds a Western Christian nation together - the respect for human life. How many times I read, heard and saw the Left “explaining” the most brutal muslim atrocities by pointing at ubiquitous Western guilt. When a murderous pig like Arafat gets the Peace Nobel Prize is hailed as hero and decapitated babies of Jewish settlers are only regrettable victims of “Palestinian” reaction to Jewish oppression the Left’s message gets out of the sack and it is: only the one willing to resort to greatest terror and most atrocious lies triumphs. Mohammet, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Kim Jong Il they all understood it. And so did Anders Breivik. His trial will be farce if the role of the Left in the tragedy is not mentioned.
Left is now orgiastic with joy, but those among the Left who know how quickly history may change direction must consider the possibility that they may be tried for treason one day. To ward off that possibility they will press for most radical and speedy dismantling of the west. It is their skins they will be trying to save.
Thank You Robert for all your hard work in Educating people about Islam.
Now for anyone who is worried about this frame job, I wouldn't worry too much. As others who are new to this site have said, they came looking to verify and "do their homework" what they found here was far different from what the MSM is claiming. All they are doing by lying is waking people up to several facts
1) the MSM is blatantly lying to the American public. Not just about this issue but many others
2) Robert Spencer is right about Islam and the current Islamic colonization going on around the world.
3) that progressive Leftists are in bed with radical islamists with the goal to take away US rights.
4) anyone who comes here spewing their hatred against Robert Spencer and Pamela Gellar have already made up their mind. Nothing will change their mind. Some recent posters like that Ceasar1 clown are probably even paid trolls by the Soros funded Media Matters.
5) by advertising Robert Spencer's website, more people are becoming aware of what Islam really is.
At least the left and the MSM is implicitly accepting the premise that humans, deranged or no,t are capable of being induced by violence by what they read. But of course they are completely blind when this phenomena manifests itself in the form of the hundreds of thousands murders incited by the koran.
"I had to force myself to watch that another display of left's feeding frenzy.
Not so much because I am interested in seeing pornography, but because I know I have to face and fully absorb the reality of the monumental charade taking place here and now."
You're a brave woman Juliet, I could only watch a few seconds of the hit piece before I chickened out.
This site:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
keeps track of attacks in the name of Islam. The current body count in the Norway attacks is +/-65. If you refer to the chart it can be seen that followers of Islam have committed attacks killing that many people since about the 17th of July. Yet this one attack by a mentally unbalance, deluded, drug-addicted, role-playing game obsessed cross between an ersatz latter day "crusader", a neo-nazi, and some B-movie villain intent on "ruling the world" has the power to wipe the slate clean of all that murder in the name of jihad?
The MSM reaction does not surprise me in the least. The question is, will it remain confined to harassment, lies, and abuse, or will there be an escalation to calls for investigations, blog closedowns, and censorship? Right now the attention of most people is focused on the national debt crisis, and a clearer picture of just how much trouble these dhimmified jihad collaborators intend to try to cause us should emerge after that is, at least temporarily, settled.
Truly there are none so blind as those who, for their own reasons, refuse to see.
I second Evanmarkfilms and others above in defense of Robert, and confidence that anyone who visits JihadWatch will soon realize that the attacks against him by the leftist MSM are without substance. Thanks to locomotivebreath1901 for pointing out how well this all jibes with the Alinsky rulebook.
"Can anyone name the black female soldier who was captured along with her?"
Shoshana Johnson..
... anyone who comes here spewing their hatred against Robert Spencer and Pamela Gellar have already made up their mind. Nothing will change their mind.
While I agree with your premise, Wri, one must wonder what opinion-changing might be possible after a thermonuclear detonation in a major Western city. High ranking Moslem officials issued a fatwa to do just that a few years ago, so ya gotta wonder about what then. Will the millions dead make it be possible for the globo-socialists to admit the error of their ways and push for change? Or, will they continue to lay blame at the feet of guilty Judeo-Christians who hide behind the banner of Free Speech?
Valid question. Don't know the answer, but I could guess.
Thank you, I knew you would know Sarge. I bet others here do too.
But I meant it as a leading question, just to demonstrate how media bias pushed that brave woman into the background.
The funny thing is the media would point to the number of DoD press releases on Jessica Lynch to establish a military bias, without acknowledging that those press releases were largely in response to biased media inquiries.
Exactly WHAT 'surge in right wing terror attacks' is that newsbabe talking about?
"... anyone who comes here spewing their hatred against Robert Spencer and Pamela Gellar have already made up their mind. Nothing will change their mind."
"While I agree with your premise, Wri, one must wonder what opinion-changing might be possible after a thermonuclear detonation in a major Western city."
Yes, you would think that would be true, but many of these people are too far gone. In six months they'll have web pages up alleging that the government did it to their own country. They'll have their peace at any price.
Liberals know how to do three things well:
1.) Blame everyone but the culprit. Remember what happened in Tucson, where the left blamed everyone but Jared Loughner?
2.) Fail to follow their own advice about not jumping to conclusions, especially when those same leftists whined about not jumping to conclusions shortly after Fort Hood while blaming the Tea Party for Tucson and smearing the Duke lacrosse team for that bogus "rape."
3.) Ignore or never mention Islam if a culprit is Muslim, like Carlos Bledsoe or Nidal Hasan.
You need topic-changing ideas, to insert opportunistically. Think like you are a Lefty, but that you still love freedom.
What will be the signal event that the West is ready to fight off the scourge of Islam, as countries rather rather than as dissenters?
I believe that it is when we target the Saudi Arabian Royal Family and the West's peculiar relationship with them. Our relationship with them sets a bad example, an inconsistent and incomprehensible example if one chooses to promote individual liberty around the world. It is as incongruent as saying Islam is Peace.
The anti-war cry of
could instead be:
(it is short enough for our sound-bite TV world)
One can easily view Gulf War I and Gulf War II as mercenary actions by the West in favor of the Saudi Arabian Royal Family. It is neither the "Leftists" nor the "Marxists" that can be pegged as the primary proponents of these pro-Islamist adventures. It is Big Oil, or more accurately multi-national Big Oil (with no loyalty to any one country), that is at the head of the beast that is funding Islamization of the world. The rationale is hardly distinguishable from Obama's Libyan venture, Big Oil gets their way, and Congress cannot muster sufficient objections.
The focus on individual liberty can be, and most often is, merely a sideline issue in the world of international real-politics. It is too esoteric or nebulous an idea to pin down what it means, particularly in light of the loaded phrase of "multi-culturalism."
A baby step would be to demand that the GATT rules on trade no long exempt OPEC from the GATT ban on monopolistic cartels.
A big step would be to formally label all countries where Islam/Sharia (or any religion) sits atop secular government as unfree nations. If not in the UN itself, then by quitting the UN and then forming and sponsoring a replacement United Free Nations, where membership in or affiliation with the OIC is grounds for exclusion.
Domestically:
Ban the recognition of any entity or organization where their code describes the penalty of death for those who end their relationship or who act in any way disloyal to the entity. There can be no clearer marker than this to objectively prove disloyalty to the US and to the US Constitution and the protection of the rights guaranteed under it, including the right not to associate or to change associations, on a personal whim.
Ban political speech by corporations -- for-profit and not-for-profit -- where the owners are not 100 percent legal residents or where the donations are not 100 percent attributable to legal natural person legal residents. (Exclude donations too that are derived from the government power to tax.) The case of Citizens United touched on the issue of foreign speakers in domestic politics but the law was not pegged specifically and in isolation to this very issue. We need to isolate on the foreign intervention in domestic politics. It needs to be sufficiently "narrowly tailored" to this legitimate purpose to pass constitutional muster, i.e., not be overbroad. This will blunt the force of multi-national Big Oil, and money derived from it from meddling in domestic policy formation.
The literate world is already largely aware of the horror of Islam and its violent methods of propagation, including mass rape. The best pool of freedom fighters remains, as it always has been, in enlightened and reformed Lefty's who have had time to engage in some personal introspection. They are the audience for persuasive words.
It is a process of conversion, and it is far less dramatic than that of getting some bloke to profess that they are born again as a Christian. It is something that an atheist can fully embrace, even as some of them will publicly vilify and crucify Christians. It is not analytically impossible to do both, simultaneously, in my own personal opinion and belief. It is good enough for me.
Muslim Jihadis know exactly what they're doing. Leftists are too stupid to know what they're doing. That is one big difference between a Muslim Jihadi and a Leftist.
HOW TO BREAK OIL'S MONOPOLY ON THE TRANSPORT SECTOR
By asking your representative in the U.S. House of Representatives to help pass the bill H.R. 1687 -- the Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011 -- you do something very practical to resist sharia and jihad.
The bill currently has over a dozen Republican and Democratic co-sponsors in the House of Representatives. Get your rep to co-sponsor it too!
The Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011 (HR 1687) would require a rapidly increasing percentage of new cars sold in the U.S. to include a small change that would cost only $100 a car. The fix would allow cars to run on any fuel and any mix of fuels (including methanol, ethanol, bio-diesel, or gasoline). The fix would break OPEC's power over the price of transport fuel. It would create price competition among fuels and increasingly allow drivers to choose at the pump which fuel they want to buy. The Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011 (HR 1687) is supported by a coalition of strange bedfellows who normally might not agree with each other: former national security officials, environmentalists, military bigwigs, evangelicals.
To see why to support the Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011 (HR 1687), check out this video featuring Frank Gaffney, Robert McFarlane, James Woolsey, Anne Korin, and others:
America's Fuel Choice: Breaking Oil's Monopoly on the Transport Sector
And check out this website: http://www.setamericafree.org
Set America Free is a coalition including Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum; Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy; former CIA head James Woolsey; former National Security Advisor Robert McFarlane; former secretary of Energy Admiral James Watkins; former commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet Admiral James Lyons; Orson Swindle, Former Commissioner of the Federal Trade Commission and Vietnam POW; and others.
See also this website: http://www.openfuelstandard.org
You can contact your representative to support the Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011 (H.R. 1687) by email if you go here:
http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/contact-congress
But a thousand times more effective than email is to telephone your representative.
1) Click here to get your representative's phone number:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt
2) When you get to that website, just put your zipcode in the box, hit enter, then images of your representative (and your two senators) will appear.
3) Then click on your representative's picture, and several tabs will appear, including a "contact" tab.
4) Click on the contact tab and you'll see phone numbers for your representative.
If you telephone, and the congressperson is not available, politely ask the name of the staffer who answered the phone, then ask to leave a message: say you support passage of the Open Fuel Standard Act of 2011, HR 1687. Even better, ask when to call back so you can speak directly to the congressperson.
Congrats, dummies, you've placed yourself into the same extremist category as the KKK, Nazi's, Black Panthers and Al-Qaeda.
And the official is right, words matter. That's HOW you create extremism, through words.
Hitler made great use of words, look what happened.
And I see similarities to this site and Nazi writing - I also see parallels between the average German commenter in various Nazi publications and some, not all, of the comments posted on this site.
Also it would be wise for the Authorities not only to monitor to this site but also Youtube, especially videos related to the Knights Templar or the crusades that are not motivated by historical interest.
This is the second Domestic Terrorism incident in one year. The man Loehner (spelled wrong?) who attempted to murder a member of the House was also fascinated by the Knights Templar in an unhistorical fashion.
Authorities are already doing the same when it comes to Islamic myths taken out of historical context.
We must bite this sort of thing in the butt before it proliferates.
Do your part, if you see questionable stuff on Youtube... report it.
Caesar1, you said,
When did Robert Spencer say words don't matter? On the contrary, he's stated repeatedly that his critics cannot point to a single place in his writings where he supports the use of violence or acting outside the law and the democratic process.
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On page 672 (992 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says
Also it would be wise for the Authorities [] to monitor to this site
Would you suggest that the Authorities disregard the mere words in the First Amendment? Or is it only you that would disregard those words if you were in an elected position? Would you refuse to take the oath that accompanies election to public office, and advocate that others also refuse to take such an oath? Words do matter.
Pffft..... Yeah right, "surge of right-wing attacks" just like the mythical surge of "islamophobia" that CAIR whines about every day.
Have these people , these so-called "journalists" and so-called "advocates" no self-respect?
From D.C. Watson, a list of hundreds of U.S. Muslims in trouble with law for jihad/sharia activities. Watson seems to provide a reference link for each person:
Incomplete listing of participants in jihad and adherents to Shari'ah law throughout the United States who have either been arrested, indicted, convicted, deported, are on the loose, or are deceased
Nice video and links.
My representative is a co-sponsor of H.R. 1687 and has a graphic on his home page that includes "FREEDOM FROM OIL[.]"
Still, recognition of the OPEC cartel as legal can be reversed, with mere words.
Glad you liked the links.
My rep is also a co-sponsor.
On page 672 (992 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad says
...kill those who disbelieve in God.
Oh would you spare me already, the Torah/Old Testament is also full of kill the unbeliever stuff. We are trying to deal with reality here, not fairy tales.
The reality of this is that words - from an Imam or Spencer can both equate to hatred and Terrorism.
Thank goodness the Authorities are finally taking note of sites like this as well as any other extremist site.
Also it would be wise for the Authorities [] to monitor to this site
Would you suggest that the Authorities disregard the mere words in the First Amendment? Or is it only you that would disregard those words if you were in an elected position? Would you refuse to take the oath that accompanies election to public office, and advocate that others also refuse to take such an oath? Words do matter.
Did not say that the Authorities should ban free speech, I said they should take note of certain speech. That's what the Intelligence services are all about.
Like a big red flag, should be Knights Templar stuff. Not in historical context but a constant fascination with the order - especially the warlike aspects of it.
I think Isikoff here actually defended Spencer as a "legitimate" conservative speaker after cautioning against rash judgements.
Actually, I think Robert Spencer maybe getting a lot of free publicity here. While he might not choose exactly this kind of publicity, a lot of fair minded people might be encouraged to look into what he's really about.
You have the Freedom to debate, to speak. You don't have the freedom to Politically intimidate others, that is the very definition of Terrorism. You don't have to use Violence, legally, to be a source of Terrorism.
That by the way is not in reference to Robert Spencer, but to some of those whom comment upon his articles.
It was St. Ann Seton. She had several visions of the future in which "every american family would have a black box in the corner of the room by means of which Satan would enter their homes". That was in the early 1800s. She described a scene in which she saw inert people gathered passively in front of this 'black box'. It emitted a lurid, blue light which held them transfixed for hours-on-end, just staring at it. She could not explain what it was, other than to say that it showed a scene from the 20th century. She insisted that the devil crawled out from this strange "black box" and came into the very room in which families would sit inertly watching the lurid blue light.
As a young, well-connected lady of high-society, married to her ambassador husband, she once danced with George Washington at a ball in New York! After the death of her husband, she spent a few years in Italy and, I think, visited Rome. She stayed in the family of her late husband's business partner in Italy. When she converted to Catholicism back in N.York (from Episcopalianism, if I remember rightly), she was asked 'what made you become a catholic. of all things!!! She said that her experience of Catholicism in Italy had done it. "I became a catholic because of laughter and good red wine"!!
She is the first canonized US saint. She opened the first catholic school in the US. This was at Emmitsburg, Maryland. St. Ann Seton's basilica, which holds her body, is in Emmitsburg.
".Actually, I think Robert Spencer maybe getting a lot of free publicity here."
That's my hope too. The Lefty attempts to demonise the whistle-blowers could indeed backfire on them big-time.
Let's hope so.
Mr. Spencer: I devote considerable space to demonizing the New York Times in my Family Security Matters column, “MSM Thuggees Run Amok Over Breivik,” and how it demonizes you and Pamela Geller and other authorities on Islam. We are all “Gunga Din.” I also name Steve Emerson, David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes, Raymond Ibrahim, and but for space reasons could have named a dozen more. This column is also on Rule of Reason, Capitalism Magazine, and The Dougout.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.10031/pub_detail.asp
Caesar1, you said,
1. One can believe that all religions are false, and still see that your statement fudges key distinctions. The violence in the Old Testament was "commanded" against a few explicitly named peoples and towns that were wiped out, horribly, by the Jews of that time. Those commands to do violence clearly did not mean against all non-Jews everywhere, nor for all time. Islam's doctrinal violence, by contrast, is directed in an open-ended way against all non-Muslims everywhere for all time until they either convert or submit to the rule of Islamic law. The violence in the Old Testament is presented descriptively about past events. The violence commanded in the core texts of Islam is presented in an open-ended prescriptive way for the future.
2. Judaism does not seek to convert non-Jews to Judaism. Judaism does not seek to dominate the earth with Jewish religious law. Israel itself lives under a primarily secular legal regime. Islamic doctrine does command proselytization of non-Muslims, and does command Muslims to dominate the earth with Islamic religious law.
3. Even if Jewish religious doctrine were exactly as malignant as Islamic doctrine, the Jews have only 15 million people, and thus pose no totalitarian threat to the globe. Muslims have about 100 times the population of the Jews, and due to demographic trends may well Islamize parts of Europe within the rising generation's lifetime. Belgium, apparently, will be majority-Muslim within a few years. In some European cities, Muslim names are already the most common baby names. We could easily see freedom of speech and freedom of conscience disappear in Europe.
4. Suppose all religions are false. It doesn't follow, as you seem to think, that all religions are also equally malignant. If, as you seem to think, all religions are not only false, but also equally nefarious, how is it that the Jews, with 1/100 the population of the Muslims, have earned about 100 times as many Nobel prizes in the sciences: math, physics, economics, and so on? Those numbers mean that the Jews earn about 100 x 100 = 10,000 times the number of Nobel prizes per capita as the Muslims. That differential cannot be attributed entirely to external factors or the need for more time for Islam to open to the modern world. There are critical cultural differences between religions, even if all religions are false. Islam is far more totalitarian and gives far less sway to the individual than the other large religions.
Sorbonne linguist finds Islam's core texts the most aggressive against other groups
Tina Magaard is a linguist who got her Ph.D. in Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne, and did a three-year study of the original texts of the world's ten largest religions. One of her findings was that Islam's core texts are the most aggressive against other groups. http://jp.dk/indland/article223091.ece
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim
In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:
Caesar1, you said,
I trust you mean taking note of any commenters who urge violence, right? Not taking note of Robert Spencer, right? Because you apparently admit that Spencer has always rejected violence and clearly believes in operating within the law and democratic processes. The only thing the authorities should be monitoring with regard to Spencer are the many Muslims who literally want to cut off his head.
As for commenters at this website, if any of them urges violence, I have no problem with them being monitored by FBI or the like.
That doesn't change the fact that Islamic doctrine poses a serious totalitarian threat to the globe, a much greater threat than any other religion. That is the case even if all religions are equally false. They are not all equally malignant.
"It was St. Ann Seton. She had several visions of the future in which "every american family would have a black box in the corner of the room by means of which Satan would enter their homes". That was in the early 1800s. She described a scene in which she saw inert people gathered passively in front of this 'black box'. It emitted a lurid, blue light which held them transfixed for hours-on-end, just staring at it. She could not explain what it was, other than to say that it showed a scene from the 20th century. She insisted that the devil crawled out from this strange "black box" and came into the very room in which families would sit inertly watching the lurid blue light.
As a young, well-connected lady of high-society, married to her ambassador husband, she once danced with George Washington at a ball in New York! ... She is the first canonized US saint. She opened the first catholic school in the US... "
That's an incredible find. And the vision has been fulfilled. Thanks brother.
"He wanted to alert them to the clear and present threat of Islamification"
But, Satan wanted to initiate world wide persecution on fundamental Christians. He succeeded. Things have changed overnight because of this. Let us realize what time it is.
"I thank God for the advent of the internet."
Beware! They can take it over too. We now have a precious opportunity to share with one another, but even this is in their crosshairs, you can count on it.
Nice debunk.
"The time period after World War-II is considered the last and final birth of television. Families had accumulated savings during the war years, and were eager to purchase homes, cars and other luxuries denied them during the war. Television sets were soon added to the 'must have' list. The explosion of sets into the American marketplace occurred in 1948-1949."
http://www.tvhistory.tv/1946-1949.htm
select 1946-1949
This connects the rise of the progressive anti-Christ movement of the last 60 years with the use of TV.
"Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out." John 12:31
Here is a link to a short vid of Robert Spencer speaking to a christian group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1g2cgVm6Ns
On the topic of mystics...I remember Jesus saying to one mystic: "The Devil has the Media." When I first heard this I thought it was a bit hysterical. I no longer think so.
(I can't remember the source, since there are so many.)
vis-a-vis tv...Like I said, it is just a piece of technology. Its value depends on who is using it.
Same could be said of the Internet. "Viewer discretion required."
You wrote:
"tv...Like I said, it is just a piece of technology. Its value depends on who is using it."
Exactly. After all: how is Fr Zakaria Botros having a HUUUGE impact on the Arab Muslim world? By his programs **on satellite TV**.
And there are other stations - Sat7 is one, I think - that use Satellite TV to beam the Christian message into the Islamosphere.
Radio, too, can be used for good or for ill. Hitler used radio to brainwash his subjects. But gospel radio has been responsible for millions of conversions to Christianity within many places that christian evangelists could not get into in person. A christian radio station based in Europe and broadcasting into North Africa in Berber and in Arabic has had a significant part to play in the creation of an indigenous church - with both Arab and Berber members - in part of North Africa.
Both must be used with wisdom, bearing in mind the dangers of the medium - one does not want to distort or dumb down the message but to present it honestly, clearly and with charity - but they *can* cross otherwise insurmountable barriers to offer people within dar al Islam, and within other sorts of totalitarian tyrannies, a life-giving alternative.
I would encourage ronmorgen to donate to, and pray for, the work of Fr Botros' 'Life TV' outreach to the Muslim world.
And there is something else. It wouldn't be a bad idea for us Christians to make a list of the media - whether state-funded or commercial, print, radio, TV, and not forgetting the internet - in our particular part of the world, and...PRAY. Pray for the owners. Pray for the editors - find out who they are, then pray by name. Pray for the journalists. Pray for the people in charge. There *will* be Christians, however few, on the staff and among the techs. I have a Christian friend who is an investigative journalist, working for a newspaper that covers financial matters. I am sending him a copy of Patrick Sookhdeo's book on Sharia finance - sharia finance and how it is neither neutral nor benign - for his information and that of his colleagues.
Pray that the spirit of truth will prevail over falsehood.
And wherever and whenever we *do* see a piece of good reporting, be sure to 1. thank God for it and 2. contact whoever's responsible, and the outlet that has published it, and express appreciation.
For the instruction of those who may have come here out of curiosity, to find out what Spencer and jihadwatch really are up to.
Two classic items on what is sometimes called 'Islamophobia'.
The first is a pop quiz, devised by one Lorna Saltzman, and shared by redoubtable Jewish American feminist, Phyllis Chesler, author of (among other things) "My Afghan Captivity" which recounts her experiences as a foolish 1960s lass who married a Muslim prince charming and found herself clapped up inside purdah in Kabul, from which she only escaped by the skin of her teeth.
http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/08/26/are-you-an-islamophobe/
PHYLLIS CHESLER: CHESLER CHRONICLES
August 26th, 2009 10:17 am
Are You An Islamophobe?
Take This Test To Be Sure
"Are you an Islamophobe? Here is a simple test. Lorna Saltzman’s Test
"Do you favor equal rights and treatment of women and men?
"Do you oppose stoning of women accused of adultery?
"Do you favor mandatory education of girls everywhere?
"Do you oppose slavery and child prostitution?
"Do you support complete freedom of expression and the press?
"Do you support the right of an individual to worship in her chosen religion?
"Do you oppose government- and mosque-supported anti-Semitic publications, radio, TV and textbooks?
"Do you oppose the wearing of burqas in public places, schools and courts?
"Do you oppose segregation of the sexes in public places and houses of worship?
"Do you oppose the death penalty for non-Muslims and Muslims who convert to another religion?
"Do you oppose “honor” killings?
"Do you oppose female genital mutilation?
"Do you oppose forced sexual relations?
"Do you oppose discrimination against homosexuals?
"Do you support the right to criticize religion?
"Do you oppose polygamy?
"Do you oppose child marriage, forced or otherwise?
"Do you oppose the quranic mandate to kill non-Muslims and apostates?
"Do you oppose the addition of sharia courts to your country’s legal system?
"Do you disagree with the quran which asserts the superiority of Islam to all other religions?
"If you answered most or all of these affirmatively, you are a vile Islamophobe and deserve to be beheaded as the quran instructs.
"If you answered one third or more of them affirmatively, you are a borderline Islamophobe and need to receive brainwashing to become a full-fledged dhimmi.
"If you answered a quarter or fewer affirmatively, you need a few private lessons in dhimmitude to scrub yourself clean of those remnants of Islamophobia.
"If you answered affirmatively to NONE of these, Congratulations! You are a worthy observant (radical–PC addition) Muslim and have a bright future vilifying Jews, torturing women or, inshallah, becoming a suicide bomber.”
Thank you Lorna for laying it all out.'
FYI: Lorna Saltzman has been a environmental writer, lecturer and organizer since the early 1970s and was a candidate for the US Green Party’s presidential nomination in 2004. Her articles on evolution, energy, Green politics and secularism can be found on her website: www.lornasalzman.com'.
Now for item no. 2.
It is an essay written by one 'Hugh Fitzgerald' who contributed in erudite terms and at great length in this forum for many years, before moving on to fresh fields and pastures new.
"Fitzgerald: Islamophobia? Really?"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/fitzgerald-islamophobia-really.html
I strongly encourage all visitors who may have googled their way in here, now or in future, to click on the link and read. Take your time. Read it aloud, even. And **think** about it.