The blame game

Europe is becoming sick! With the European Commission (EC)controlled by the evil Left such as Catherine Ashton, EU foreign policy chief, who is a UK Socialist-Labour politician and First-Vice-President of the EC, who is calling for dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood, Europe is doomed to the most savage and evil conquest of Arabic-led Islam's Imperialism and Slavery! The Western Left, like the Socialist Hitler, is Islam most evil SLAVE!

Your ignorance is pathetic! Don't lie as if Islam and Judeo-Christianity are founded by the same God! No, Islam, a most evil and savage Arabic cult, is created by the racist Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws! Whilst Judeo-Christianity is founded on our shared God's SALVATION for all humanity from all kinds of evilness! And our shared Judeo-Christian God gave the Ten Commandments that founded civilized modern Western law and society - or we would still have Western civilization like the Roman barbarians who fed human beings to lions as blood-sport or crucifying rebels. Evil people have hijacked Judeo-Christianity like the evil priests but our God did not teach us to love evilness unlike in Islam! Thus Islam's god is the Devil!

By the way, another pathetic lie from you; here's the real TRUTH instead - between Socialists Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians!

@ John Blank

Probably the smartest thing I've read all day. I have no idea where these people are getting this notion that Christianity has always been saintly and non-violent, but it's a total load. Christianity has just as much blood on it's hands as islam, maybe more. Religion in general gives people the sense that anything they do, regardless of how heinous it is, is justifiable provided some god says gives the okay. It doesn't matter which faith is tainted so. The end result is ivariably the same.

In all honesty, I believe the yutz who perpetrated the killings in Norway was some hard-right blowhard inspired by all the hate mongering going on in sites like this. I'd bet he wasn't a real stable guy to begin with, but looking at all the rantings about how the left is supposedly responsible for every injustice ever inflicted on mankind probably finally drove him over the edge. His killing of youth supporters of a left-of-center government was merely the logical conclusion of his warped mindset.

I have to send off this little snippet to Mr. Spencer directly: This is why the freedom of speech we cherish so much isn't absolute. If it was. There are people out there who ARE too stupid to see rhetoric for what it is. Just like that Jared Loughner loser, they only need to hear that somebody is an "enemy" of SOMETHING before picking up a gun and shooting a bunch of people. I don't like to admit we're still that prone to baseless accusation, but that's the reality of it. Think about that before you or Ms. Geller post something that'll end up turning this site into a Stormfront knockoff.

John Blank! Don't you know better than to blame the whole group for the actions of one individual??

You should know that because it is what you Far Left know-it-alls have been chanting for the whole ten years since 9-11.

In fact its safe to say you are a bigot and a Christophobe for doing so.

So fu€k off and go post somewhere else a$$hole.

@ Katharina

Uhh you do know that Socialism and National Socialism two completely different ideologies, don't you? They have some economic similarities, but suffice it to say those AREN'T what the nazis are remembered for! I'm PRETTY sure regular socialism doesn't have any provision or philosophy endorsing genocide, either.

Could you please explain how Nazism was a Christian operation? As far I know, Hitler was very disaffected with Christianity and even blamed it for the emergence of Communism, which is also false, and admired the more brutal religions of what he saw as the Japanese religion and Islam.
Stop making false claims if you want to be taken serious.

You, John Blank, have done a fine job of bastardizing history. First of all, Timothy McVeigh did not perpetrate his foul deeds in the name of Christianity. Only an ignoramus like yourself would assert such. Pathetic you are.

But, moreover, James Madison was not condemning Christianity with that quote you cited of his (and note well that Madison was a devout Christian unlike some of the other Founding Fathers like Jefferson and Franklin who did not think Jesus divine but who still thought that Jesus was a great ethical teacher and that there was a Higher Power at work in the universe), he was castigating state sponsored religion. You have thus magnificently muddled things, the only question here remaining is whether you did this by way of ignorance or design.

As for your charge that America is not a Christian nation, again you bastardize and cheapen things. America, as every Founding Father without exception understood, was deeply beholden to the Judeo-Christian ethic. Everyone of these great Americans understood the necessity of a secular government but were also aware of the dangers of a secular society. Of course, you have already revealed yourself by your posts so deeply ignorant of history and the truth in general that your mind is probably beyond repair. And, frankly, I don't give a damn that it is.

Go ahead, rube. Prove me wrong. On history. On America. On the role of Christianity in American life. On Madison. On anything.

Yours is the stupidest comment I've read so far! Wow, all the wolves of Islam and the Left are jumping now on the wagon, trying to silence Robert, Pamela and other brave defenders of freedom against the evilness of Islam and the Left! Why are you defending the Stanic Arabic cult, Islam, that is created by the racist Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed? And why are you trying to silence us against evil Socialists )even Hitler loved Islam) - after all, between Socialists Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians! Get civilized!

Liberals didn't perpetrate the Oklahoma City massacre.

No, but they profited by it just as they politically profit from the recent multimurder in Oslo.
Liberals are greatest grave robbers.

A right-wing Christian terrotist did that. Liberals didn't kill 92 people in Oslo. A right-wing Christian terrorist did that.

None was a christian. Both were psychopats.

Liberals didn't perpetrate the Oklahoma City massacre.

No, but they profited by it just as they politically profit from the recent multimurder in Oslo.
Liberals are greatest grave robbers.

A right-wing Christian terrotist did that. Liberals didn't kill 92 people in Oslo. A right-wing Christian terrorist did that.

None was a christian. Both were psychopats.

Your ignorance is so profound, I hardly know where to begin. Any atrocities ever committed in the name of Christianity were always done in spite of, not because of, Christian theology. By contrast, the overwhelming amount of violence committed in the name of Islam was done precisely in fulfillment of Islamic doctrine.

Look, I'm not a religious man. Not in the least. But Christians and Jews are not a threat to liberty. Muslims are. And the reason why goes to the heart of these respective religions' theological blueprints. You know this or should know it. Pretty damn obvious that you don't.

Yes, one wonders if they will feel any sympathy at all for the victims if/when they will use this incident to serve their own agenda.

Yeah right! Why don't you educate yourself on the reality of basic SOCIALISM foundation of Nazism! Here - at http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

.....And let us listen to Hitler himself on the matter:

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."

Another quote:

"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

(Both quotes above are from Hermann Rauschning in Hitler Speaks, London, T. Butterworth, 1940, also called The Voice of Destruction. See e.g. here......

The only real thing about that "Real Jew" thing is that he is a muslim. Or a mad lefty. Or just an ordinary idiot.

Whatever, let's ignore him.

Try quoting the great Christian thinkers, for example Saint Thomas Aquinas or Martin Luther, to explain that Christians has an ongoing responsibility the wage war against unbelievers.

McVeigh was Christian, but he didn't bomb in the of Christianity.

This guy is a Christian, but we don't yet know if he acted in the name of his religion, though you seem to assume he did.

Muslim terrorist state clearly that commit their attrocities in the name of Islam.

And even if McVeigh and Breivik had committed their acts in the name of Christianity, that would still only be two "Christian" attrocities in as many decades. Compared that with the number Muslim terror attacks.

There is no equivanlence, and claiming there is when the factual evidence proves otherwise is nonsense.

Furthermore, your claim that religions cause the ugliest wars also doesn't hold water. Just look at the wars of the 20th Century, none of them were religious wars: the Russian Revolution, WWI, WWII, Chinese Revolution, The Mau Mau Rebellion, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Uganda, Rwanda, Congo, etc. etc. Millions and millions of people dead in secular, not religious wars, the brutality of which no religious war has yet matched. So really, no secularist can preach about religious war being ugly, way more people have died in secular war than religious war.

You got me there alex on a very minor point. Bully for you

Hate the truths do you - why do you keep defending the Satanic Arabic cult, Islam, that is created by the racist Arabic Pedophile predatory rapist, robber, slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed? And why do you keep trying to defend evil God-hating Socialists (but strangely Hitler loves Islam) - where, between Socialists Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge and Mao, they've butchered around 50 million innocent human beings especially Jews, Buddhists and Christians! Get civilized!

@John Blank

You are so wrong. In the last century it was the leftists/atheists who killed the largest number of people. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were all non-believing socialists, communists and all of them atheists.

There had been quite a few leftist terrorist groups, such as Baader Meinhof, Japanese Red Army and the Weather Underground (does Obama's pal William Ayers ring a bell? Compare that to a few single nut jobs that are associated with the "right". In other words quit peddling nonsense.

Who knows, maybe now they'll need to arm themselves against murderous Christians.

It would be even more useful against muslim robbers, rapists, muggers and murderers. The chance of bumping into one of those is thousand times greater than a Christian murderer.

Please define your screen name. Just for the chirps and giggles.

Another pathetic lie from you - the root of Social Darwinists Socialist Hitler/German Nazi's antisemitism is most likely influenced by Islam and the Arabic-Turkish Muslims, who may not be just Hitler/Nazis' collaborators but were actually advisers such as by the Palestinian Mufti of Jerusalem, the Muslim Brotherhood founder, Hassan al-banna, and the Turkish Ottomans, who were among or main Hitler/Nazis' biggest collaborators or advisers. Although many of the evil top German Nazis have been put on trial in the International Court but the equally evil top Islamic Nazis have always escaped!

"God, the crazy squirrel trolls are coming out of the woodwork!!"

They're nuts, aren't they?! (no pun intended)

News alert, I meant, computer acting up.

Hear, hear, Ros. I live in a heavily immigrant neighborhood, and part of my teaching job is helping English Language Learners. My moonlight job is document translation, a lot of which is for LEGAL immigrants. My own wife and a fond brother-in-law are immigrants. I lived in Taiwan as a resident alien for a good many years (how I got into teaching), and know plenty of foreigners and ex-foreigners (a nod to naturalization) who came to the USA playing by the rules, too. While I'm all for keeping the trouble-makers out, I'm also for being as generous as possible to those immigrants who are playing by the rules. I've seen a subtle move towards making "immigrant" and "undocumented alien" synonymous in certain circles, and it makes me want to scream.

We are not xenophobes here, I've noticed. We have several people with international experience, multiple languages, and the like. But we are indeed concerned about a legally sanctioned invasion by those who mean us ill and actually do real harm while at the same time we are ready to welcome people who come here with the intention to live in peace, honor the laws, and build things up rather than blow them up.

I am sure that in a short time we will be hearing more about this deranged individual, Mr. Breivik. In the meantime people should begin to learn more about serious mental illness, how and when it presents, what the symptoms are, what are likely outcomes. Some people are under the impression that to be mentally ill someone must be incapacitated or mentally defective. The image is of a street person who is talking to himself/herself. But that is just one form of mental illness.

I believe that if people were better informed there would be less uninformed opinions about who is responsible or calls for limits to free speech because something someone wrote drove someone over the edge. This kind of thinking is based in superstition and ignorance. It's juvenile to blame someone else for your behavior, but perhaps Mr. Fraser is a juvenile. I don't know but children tend to blame others for their behavior.

So far Mr. Breivik confessed to the crimes and told his lawyer that his actions were "necessary." When he explains why his delusions and his distorted mind will be revealed.

Unlike you (I pity you), I know with intelligence who the real enemy is - the murderous Islam/Muslim fanatics and Socialist Left! Defenders of freedom like Robert, Pamela and Geert Wilders are the true brave defenders of freedom here, unlike coward lefties, the most evil SLAVES of Islam! Get over your primitive and violent-loving Left-Socilaist indoctrination/brainwshing - time for you to get educated into the real world and free yourself from SLAVERY!

Why do you keep lying - Left always do, don't they; simply cannot deabte intelligently with historical/educational facts; they only know propaganda lies! Here's some education for you on the root of antisemitism in Europe/West!

The history of the first brutal and systematic racial Genocide of the Jews in history, that include the wiping out the last village of the Jews in 627AD in extremely sophisticated and wealthy Khaybar (that now became part of Saudi Arabia), is by the racist Arabic PREDATORY Pedophile rapist and slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), Mohammed, in his goal to construct pure Arabian kingdom and Arab race, through creating Islam and its false god, to justify such evilness – see http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html#23 or http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/view/25/1/ or in the book Dr. Andrew G. Bostom (Ed.), The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History, Reprint edition (Prometheus Books, 2008, New York).

Mohammed’s army (even after his death in 632AD) then went on to conquer Christian Kingdoms in 718AD until the 15th. century, in the Iberian Peninsula, of what is now Portugal and Spain – See http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/2876-when-christendom-pushed-back and http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=ebv#1741. Later on, more Genocide of the Jews, by Mohammed’s Muslim army when “…hundreds of Jews killed between 1010 and 1013 near Cordoba, and other parts of Muslim Spain; of the massacre of the entire Jewish community of roughly 4000 in Granada during the Muslim riots of 1066…” – see foreword by Ibn Warraq, a former Muslim and scholar at – http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/view/25/1/ .

The Jews were spared earlier as they were forced or exploited to be used as soldiers, intellectuals (I suspect Mohammed used the intellectuality and writing-skills of the Jewish intellectuals, where many were also forced to convert to Islam, to plagiarize from the Bible and the Torah to create part of the koran) and skilled craftsmen, against Christian majority of Judeo-Christian Europe. Thus violent Arab-Muslims, is suspected to have sowed the seed for extreme hateful and racialized anti-Jew belief and attitude i.e anti-Semitism, amongst the Christians, who have co-existed with the Jews, although amidst religious conflicts, before in ancient Europe.

"Yet nor am I for your campaign of demonization, which helped fuel the murderous rage in Oslo."

You can't be serious! The shooter is a demented turd who wouldn't last 5 minutes on this site.

Muslims demonize themselves, btw. It's called Jihad, mass-murdering Islamic Jihad. Most recent example last week in Mumbai.

"Christian terrorism"

Ha-ha, you can't be serious! Christianity and terrorism are contradictory.

Islam and terrorism? Nope, not at all, it's called Jihad.

What is your problem, blankety-blank?

Oh, and I already informed you that McVeigh was an atheist.

John Blank is a perfect example of an anti-Christian bigot. Such anti-Christian bigots have no respect for rationality when it comes to discussion involving Christians or Christianity. They gleefully believe lies against Christians or Christianity out of a sick sense of self-righteousness and gratification. This is why it is virtually impossible to try and engage them in rational discussions that involve Christians/Christianity. But their malicious lies must be responded to for the sake of rational people of good will.

Not neat tricks at all. Just the truth. I would note that your calling my arguments "neat tricks" without actually refuting them reveals the paucity of your knowledge, logic and rhetoric. As usual, with those who suppose themselves more knowledgeable than they really are, you reveal more about yourself than you realize.

And, oh by the way, Christians in the West are not "restrained" by the Enlightenment (how desperate of you), rather their conduct, restrained or otherwise, is determined by the extent to which they implement the teachings of the Gospels, which stand in stark contrast to the directives of the Koran, Hadiths and Sira, collectively functioning as a call to make war on the world and establish a Jim Crow system based on belief rather than race.

Wise up if you can, which I seriously doubt you are capable of doing. Really, your arguments are jejune, uninformed and confirming of the maxim that a little knowledge is a bad thing.

"Have any of you people ever taken any responsibility for anything, or is it always someone else's fault? Wait, you'd better not awer that."
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John Blank,
What are you on about? Nobody here is saying all Christians are perfect or excusing ANY of their crimes. When a Muslim or a Christian cheats on his taxes it's a crime, not a RELIGIOUS crime. Get it? When a Christian murders children in Christ's name, then he's a CHRISTIAN TERRORIST. A Muslim who kills his wife's lover he's not a Muslim terrorist, he's a plain old murderer. Is this getting through to you? But when someone blows up innocents in the name of their religion and screaming their God's name at the top of their lungs, it is not "hatred" or 'phobic" to look into what their religions have been teaching them to produce these atrocities.

And how exactly should this site - which you allege the Norwegian murderer supports - feel responsible for an anti-Islamic stance when NONE of the victims of the massacre were Muslim? They were ALL Christian!

You need work on your blame-game.

"It's about time u got the credit u deserve robbi. Ur entire site consistently embraces the most despicable form of racism, religious stereotyping, and discrimination."

Wrong! This site simply reports and reveals the activities of pious Muslims. It is the Muslims who consistently embrace the most dispicble form of racish, religious stereotyping, and discrimination...It is known as Islam. Muslim Imams, Mullahs, Sheiks, AYotollahs and other self annoited pious followers of Islam continually provide ample evidence of their religious intolerance, racial hatred, and violent tendencies..They do it all in the name of Islam.

Stay awhile and learn and don't blame the messenger.

by the way, Robert Spencer doesn't hate Muslims...in fact he has many Muslim friends...

"it's fair to say I'm at least left of center"

Alex, you're way too modest! Why, with your social worker credentials and backasswards reasoning? Ahoy! You're way off the port bow there!

Your logic:

1. Robert Spencer and Co tell the truth about islam

2. Islam and its apologists despise the truth! So, they set up sites to vilify Spencer and JW

3. Therefore JW is a "hateful" site and has a bad reputation.

My conclusion from the above:

3. The more truth Robert Spencer tells, the more islam
will attempt to smear him. His effectiveness can be measured by the response from those who have reason to fear the truth.

"The only fault of the left I've seen firsthand is naïveté...If anything, accuse them of poor judgment."

Right, Alex, like I want to trust my rights and freedoms and the security of my homeland to "naievete' and poor judgment?" That sounds like a prescription for how to lose a war, Alex. And it's working!

Oh, and by the way, Southpaw, there's no such thing as "free health care!" It's an oxymoron, like "muslim science..."

@ John Blank

"Liberals didn't perpetrate the Oklahoma City massacre. A right-wing Christian terrotist did that."

Liar. Show me where McVeigh claimed any religious motivation for his acts, especially Christian motivation. Also, show me where the Bible commands or condones such behavior. You are a LIAR. And you know it.

"Liberals didn't kill 92 people in Oslo. A right-wing Christian terrorist did that."
Show me where the Bible commands or condones such behavior. LIAR.

"To call these facts a "smear" is a lie, and the Bible you claim to follow tells you not to lie. Read it, and then practice what you preach."

You know nothing of the Bible or what it teaches.

***

When you respond with the evidence I've asked for, I'll read the rest of your post. Until then, I won't waste my time with a liar like you.

Sorry, FBN broke into their regular progran in background, with "mass shooting in Seattle", turns out it was a lowrider auto show with 50 cars, in Kent a southern burb of Seattle, and two dudes had been arguing, gunfire broke out, latest news was 10 maybe shot, one dead so far. Nothing like the premed terrorist deal, apparently.

Typical response from somebody with has absolutely no counter arguments. U ignore reality, facts, and basic logic. So u might as well ignore me too. Ignorance is bliss apparently

"Ignorance is bliss apparently."

You aptly desribed the entire ummah.

Sorry for interruption, FBN played the current BREAKING NEWS alert like it was a big thing, it wasn't.

I don't think I should be taking advice on how to be a man from somebody like u. There is nothing almighty about u. And If by "uppity" u mean well informed, un-hateful, and awesome then u are correct

Liberals didn't perpetrate the Oklahoma City massacre. A right-wing Christian terrotist did that.

You're shooting blanks here cuz this statement is factually incorrect. Otherwise, strong point.

Do u even listen to urself?! " by the way, Robert Spencer doesn't hate Muslims...in fact he has many Muslim friends..." Hahahaha!!! Enough said

"And If by "uppity" u mean well informed, un-hateful, and awesome then u are correct..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Jewish my arse! Such hubris in grammatically-challenged, ignorant, self-righteous macaroons exists only in the ranks of the ummah!

That is a seriously telling piece of good information, traeh. I would have not imagined, with all their piggish greedy oil money, it would have not been such a screaming disparity.

Very nice research there!

"nutcasetinfoilhat.com"

That's the site where all of you libtarded Jew-hating, Christian-hating moral and cultural relativists get your "facts" about, well, everything.

Amazing that this happened right after Hillary submitted to Defamation of Religion, Phase One. I guess I've been reading too many similar novels lately...

The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing by Jayna Davis

Please respond to my request for evidence for Timothy McVeigh claiming religious/Christian motivation for his acts, as well as evidence for where the Bible commands or condones such behavior.

Yes Defamation of Religion laws are in the works but will only be applied to IsLame of course. We had better hurry up and criticize IsSlime right away because soon it will be against the law, much to the delight of nazis like "RealJew" and Blank. So here goes:

pisslam breeds decay wherever it goes
the koran is a violent bore
there is no God but God and Mohammad is NOT his prophet

Hey Mr. Internet Tough Guy u obviously want a reaction from me considering ur always replying to my post. Here's an idea, why don't u address the issues actually being discussed instead of talking s***! Obviously u have absolutely NOTHING to say, or do for that matter, but sit in front of the computer and run ur euro mouth

John Blank, you said,

...the biggest problem with Islam, as I see it, is that they haven't had either a Reformation or a Maimonodes. It's because the religion is relatively young...

It took Europeans almost two millennia to begin to understand the right division of powers between religion and state, but even from the very beginning Christians, basing themselves on words attributed to JC, tried, often with little understanding, to institute a distinction between the two realms of Caesar and the spirit. But such a division of realms was something entirely or almost entirely new in human history. It would take a long time for people to come to understand it and implement it well. At various times in history the power swung almost entirely to one side or the other, to state dominating church, or vice versa, but never was the division of powers completely effaced, or never for very long. People always had the words of JC advocating a division. And so it was only a matter of time till human beings came to a better understood and thus more permanent implementation of the division, such as we possess now.

None of the above applies to Islam or its teachings, which differ profoundly in their view of what human beings are.

One could point to many differences in doctrine, but I'll mention just one more. In the Judeo-Christian "fantasy," God is more a creator than a commander. In the Islamic fantasy, the reverse is the case: God is much more a commander than a creator. This is a point Daniel Boorstin makes on one of the pages of his brilliant The Creators. (Do you know Boorstin's famous trilogy? The Creators, The Discoverers, and The Seekers.)

Muslim-majority states are quite distinct from other states in their notions of state power. The individual's rights are often quite limited, and must defer to theocratic orthodoxy, and even where the the Muslim-majority state is nominally secular, individual rights must often yield to an overbearing sharia-ethos -- a totalitarian religious culture among the Muslim masses. That is a fruit of Muhammad's example and teaching.

"why don't u address the issues actually being discussed ..."

Yep, I was right, you're not a Jew, you're a bloody mohammadan. You nit wits always drop your masks.

I have addressed the "issues" being "discussed."

I refuted both your and blankity blank's assertations that Christians are terrorists too and the whole hitler bullshi'ite and that Mcveigh and this nut are card-carrying Christians.

You know what, spanky? Even if this guy is a church going, die-hard Menonite, Jew, Buddhist, mason, satanist, Hindu or Taoist I will STILL be anti-muslim immigration, anti-islam, anti-multicult and pro-gun because the Christians/Jews/Satanists/Buddhists/Hindus etc, even the crazy ones, are less dangerous to me than you mo-bots and your leftarded enablers.

Thank you! (But those translation numbers were known long before I pointed them out.)

"Enough of John Blank and his ilk. His kind do not shine a light on truth but rather obfuscate it."

You forgot "tap dance around the truth."

John Blank hasn't even bothered to address your eloquent retort to his historical revisions.

People like that only care about THEIR truth even if it's a lie.

Traeh, mebby so my friend, but I had missed it, and I bet others had too. So very nice to add the depth of knowledge. It makes sense on the other level, but hadn't though of it, directly before. It explains much more about their society, on reflection. So thanks again.

"I would have not imagined, with all their piggish greedy oil money, it would have not been such a screaming disparity."

You haven't lived among mohammadans of the arab or any other variety have you?

I once observed nine (NINE!) "men" take almost four hours to put up a concert advertising poster.

If you go to any mohammadan majority country you can easily spot the foreigners. You can tell, not by the way they look or dress, but you will know because they are not the ones walking at a snail's pace.

Churchill was absolutely brilliantly observant and spot on when he declared the effects of islam to be "fatalistic apathy, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, and sluggish methods of commerce."

Blank, are you really dense enough to claim that everyone in the United States is a Christian simply because he or she lives in the West? How in the world can you claim that such a crime was motivated by Christianity?

JihadWatch simply reports on events that are in fact motivated by interpretations of Islamic teachings.

Regarding your claim that Timothy McVeigh was motivated by Christianity, even the most severely intellectually and morally challenged could not be so poorly informed. It's well-known that McVeigh and his cohorts were nutcase, conspiratorial nationalists motivated by anything BUT Christianity.

Your comments just reveal to me and others your shallowness and severe lack of ethics.

Beyond this initial and final denunciation of your antics, your statements deserve no further consideration.

I am reluctant to go further, because this, my first visit, to this board makes me think it's just another exposed nerve ending like most of the rest of the Internet.

Your first visit, hmm. Visit more often. Your understanding of the true nature of Islam and its followers would not be blank for too long.

So u might as well ignore me too. Ignorance is bliss apparently

You are so right. Ignoring you and your nonsense is indeed bliss.

Anyway, its about time the so-called Real Jew who is really a Real Islamist, went back to school. It is doubtful if he ever learned anything at school, given the fact that his literal skills would be an insult to the average five-year-old.

John Blank, you said,

Liberals didn't perpetrate the Oklahoma City massacre. A right-wing Christian terrotist did that. Liberals didn't kill 92 people in Oslo. A right-wing Christian terrorist did that.

But whatever he believed, John, surely no one can reasonably say that McVeigh in bombing Oklahoma City was following the JC portrayed in the New Testament. McVeigh himself never attributed Oklahoma City to JC or even to Christianity. By contrast, look at the Al Qaeda Reader. There we find texts by Osama and his right hand man, Dr.Zawahiri, explaining the Islamic theological foundations of Al Qaeda's actions. Or consider this:

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

...Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

Obviously, John, Christians can be violent aggressors. But when they do so, they are going against the example of JC. By contrast, when Muslims, acting explicitly in the name of Islam, use violence against unbelievers or seek to subjugate them under an Islamic-law ethos, those Muslims are following the example of Muhammad in the core texts of Islam.

In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said,

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Where, John, do you find anything remotely like that from JC as portrayed in the New Testament? And there are numerous core Islamic texts that reveal Muhammad as the violent theocrat. Still, one might argue that Muslims today don't follow Muhammad's totalitarianism. But then one sees something like this:

Human Rights and Islam

Check out these pie charts from the international human rights organization Freedom House. Scroll down to the regional pie charts. The pie chart for the Middle East/North Africa -- the core Islamic region -- shows the most unfree area in the world. However, one country included in the Middle East/North Africa pie chart is listed as "free." Can you guess which one that is? (Hint: It's not Islamic.) Islam also has a remarkable record on honor killings.

@ Al Kaafir Al Amriikii"IN RESPONDING TO ISLAM, WE MUST NEVER BECOME LIKE ISLAM"

History has shown that many who fight against an oppressor take on at least some of the attributes of the oppressor. This happened with Sikhism and with the Serbs fighting the Turks and the Nazis.

Pacifism failed against the Nazis. And even in the eventual fight against the Nazis the firebombing to German cities (Dresden etc) ordered by Churchill was unjustified and could rank as a war crime.

Tziona "McVeigh was Christian, but he didn't bomb in the of Christianity."

No he was not. Didnt even claim to be a Christian and yes he did not "bomb in the of Christianity."

"In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[87][88] In June, 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News claiming to be an agnostic"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh#Political_views_and_religious_beliefs

"This guy is a Christian, but we don't yet know if he acted in the name of his religion, though you seem to assume he did."

He did not act in the name of his religion. Because Christ did not teach one to act like that, to put it mildly.

You are right about dresden and events like this and that they are actually war crimes.
The bombing of dresden was uncalled for. why? The innercity of dresden was filled with civillians (natives and refugees) the war was actually over at this point, germany was defeated and the left over german army was scattered in dresdens ourskirts ie. in the hills around dresden, yet dresdens inner city (not the sourrounding areas where the left over german army was) was carpet fire bombed, with that action, chuchill became like the nazis he actually fought against and as you rightly said, thats usually the case that the good will become the ugly, or even the bad.
The bombing of Dresden was wrong, periode.

There was also a firebombing of hamburg, very similar to the one in dresden, but the bombing of Hambur was right. Why? At this point germany was far from being defeated, in matter of fact at the time of the bombing of hamburg germany was extremely successfull, thats why a devastating asult on hamburg, a major german city, was a righteous methode to weaken the uprising german war mashine.

The same thing (like dresden) happened when the US send all americans with Japanese background into internment camps, lots of those prisioner were not even japanese, they only had a japanese look. Today this bites the USA in the ass, because now muslims can claim vitim status much much easier and simply say: "look what you did with the innocent japanese americans, you want to do the same to us, only because we are muslim and thats tyranny..."

Thats why, who ever decided to fight the islamisation has to be very carfully in order not to repeat history. 1st priority is to single out the guilty and fight them while leaving the innocent in peace, which is extremely difficult, but doable.

YOU. ARE. A. LIAR.
Christianity wasn't "tamed", but returned back to its roots. As it's been said a few times, but you seem to have trouble getting into your head: "Evils done in the name of Christianity are done in SPITE of it's teachings.". Please read that sentence again, then actually read the bible.

Islam is very clear "If any change their religion, kill them". There must be an equivlent verse in the new testiment, if they are the same, where is it?

What about "In the last days, the trees will cry out 'Oh Muslim there is a Jew behind me come and kill him'"? Did Jesus perhaps proclaim vengeance on Romans? No? Did Jesus raid villages? I seem to have missed that part in the bible. Did Jesus change his commands to allow for exceptions for himself? Mohammad did.

Even using the admittedly violent old testament/Torrah is a huge stretch. Doing so ignores the fact that the commands then were for a specific time and place (clearing out the land of vile peoples who no longer exist). Thus, Jews are not commanded to kill any more. There is no need for Judaism to be "reformed".

You either speak from ignorance, or willful dishonesty. Either way, you do not have the moral superiority or truth that you pretend to have. The fact is, you are a BIGOT.

@ Revisionist Rich and Free Spirit - there is only one justification - did the bombings of Dresden or Tokyo achieve their objective. They did. Dont like war? Dont start one. Cause we'll finish it.

@Bob Almighty, so are you wanting to blame the Jews for Israel's war crimes in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank, and for standing by when there was a massacre in the Shatilla refugee camp? Or would that just be a "blame game?"

Interesting how John Blank ignores 60+ years of Arab Muslim aggression against Israel involving multiple invasions and countless terror attacks usually targeting Jewish civilians.

Christians not in the West because they are restrained by the Enlightenment. Elsewhere, not so much. As for Jews, well, ask a Palestinian, and you might get a different answer, although I'm sure you'd find a neat trick or two there too.

Thank God for the Enlightenment, hey John? Otherwise those nasty Christians would run riot and kill everyone. As for the Palestinians, no sane person, Palestinian or otherwise would choose to live under Hamas instead of an Israeli government.

Second your second paragraph, duh_swami, and that IS really the crux of it, isn't it?

Quite the Index:

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html

I remember when you came "on board". When was it? I've been here since the beginning, back in the Wild West days when the forum was untamed and virtually uncontrolled - very different from nowadays.

Anyway, just want you to know that I always enjoy reading your posts, your humor and clever use of language.

CGW

Such lie by the Left/Muslim fanatics as always! It was the Muslim fanatics and terrorists that is most likely to advice Socialist Hitler to be extremely brutal to the Jews ultimately, that resulted in the most evil Jewish Holocaust (besides Genocide of Christians)!

At - http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0708/tobin072308.php3

uly 23, 2008 / 20 Tamuz 5768

The Mufti of Jerusalem's Nazi ideology lives on among contemporary Islamists

By Jonathan Tobin

....Husseini used his post as a platform to promote hatred against the Zionists, who were transforming the country from a barren backwater into what would become the modern State of Israel. Husseini incited the riots of 1929 in which hundreds of Jews were slaughtered by Muslim pogromists and did his best to better that record during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39.

Though the Mufti's gangs were defeated, his work paid dividends in 1939 when the British, as eager to appease Arabs and Muslims on the eve of World War II as they were the Germans, issued a White Paper that placed severe limits on Jewish immigration and land sales, effectively closing the door to a Jewish state.....

Here's another education for you leftie, on the evil influence of Islam and the Muslim fanatics on Socialists Hitler/Nazis! The Socialists will always be the evil SLAVES of Islam!

At- http://bigjournalism.com/pgeller/2010/02/07/the-mufti-of-jerusalem-architect-of-the-holocaust/

The Mufti of Jerusalem: Architect of the Holocaust

Posted by Pamela Geller Feb 7th 2010

...I have found that the Mufti was involved in and may even have created the Final Solution for European Jews – and yet his central participation in the Holocaust has been covered up and forgotten...

Al-Husseini practiced what he preached. During the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Eichmann’s assistant, Dieter Wisliczeny, testified that Mufti was a central figure in the planning of the genocide of the Jews:

The Grand Mufti has repeatedly suggested to the Nazi authorities – including Hitler, von Ribbentrop and Himmler – the extermination of European Jewry. … The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan… He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

Wisliczeny also testified that al-Husseini asked Heinrich Himmler to send one of Eichmann’s assistants to Jerusalem once the war was over, to aid the Mufti in “solving the Jewish question in the Middle East.”

And according to the Arab Higher Committee:

In virtually identical letters, the Mufti, in the summer of 1944, approached Germany, Roumania, Bulgaria, and Hungary to speed the extermination of the Jews by sending them to Poland where the Nazi death chambers were located.......

Not just the islamic propaganda machine, the liberal media will exploit it more than them.

The Left and Right have significant differences that cannot and should not be brushed aside. That said, in the fight against radical Islam, people on both sides can consider each other, as in Francis Schaeffer's formulation, not as allies but co-belligerents. If Islam is defeated, the Left and Right will still have their own battle to fight.

Alex:

"I have absolutely NO LOVE for islam.... this notion that the left is somehow assisting islamic jihad is straight-out bull."

Good post. It has the ring of reason, although I may disagree with some of your points.

Social workers generally favor government support for individuals. That may or may not be good economics, but it doesn't mean they are totalitarian or Islamic.

I think the generalization of the left comes from groups described in David Horowitz' "Destructive Generation" and his other books, in which he describes the compulsive hatred for America rampant in some parts of the left. In my opinion, it is a mistake to assume that simply because an individual is left politically, he is anti-freedom. In fact, I myself value political diversity. I think open debate is the best way to arrive at truth, or at least reason, in public policy.

I also disagree with several features of some of the posters. I strongly disagree with calling anyone names. That includes "dhimmi", "stupid", "clown", or even "troll", although I admit that occasionally, "troll" is fairly descriptive of what some people do.

I'm also uncomfortable when posters seem to advocate the destruction of innocent people. There have been people who proposed bombing Mecca, for example. This was used as a point by one of the websites you mentioned devoted to criticizing Jihad Watch. Even if it weren't the case that such statements give us bad press, it is just wrong.

Although Jihad Watch is devoted to revealing the dangers of allowing a larger Muslim presence in Western countries through indiscriminate immigration, there are occasions where there are interesting, off debates, such as between atheists and Christians or between conservatives and liberals. Such debates can be stimulating if done respectfully and reasonably, or can be destructive if they degenerate into name calling.

I don't think a leftist should be made to feel alienated from Jihad Watch. I'm not implying at all that you're Communist, but recall that Robert has mentioned one of the first groups slaughtered when Khomeini came to power in Iran was his former ally, the Iranian Communist party. So, reasonable leftists will, of course, oppose Islamization.

Not worth a reply.

Thanks, I'm almost as illiterate as Mahound but I'm a little faster on the keyboard, and I do have a well used spell checker...Yep, I have been posting here almost daily from almost the beginning...I have the utmost respect for Spencer and company and all the good sized intellects that post here...and anti-jihadists everywhere...That's because they earn it...

There have been people who proposed bombing Mecca, for example.

The policy of Spencer and staff and alert posters, is that those kinds of comments, or death wish comments, or anything of the sort, do not reflect the views of Spencer and company and are deleted when detected...If you see a comment like that, go to the contact box and report it...It will be deleted...Repeat offenders may get banned...

Yes, Sheikh, media must be gleefully rubbing their hands at the mounds of writing they can do on this one incident. (never mind the fact that this guy didn't do it out of his religious convictions, whereas muslim killers always do it out of their religious convictions).

Is that so?

So, what you're saying is that mohammadans have blood on their hands every time their co-cultists mass murderer and invoke the name of allah over and over during their killing sprees?

Thanks for clearing that up!

"Hello, just thought you would like to know that the so called "anti-jihad" manifesto called "2083 a declaration of european independence" is a FAKE!"

Good catch, MataMoros! Kudos to you for a job well done.

No surprises there though. Leftards will do ANYTHING to get their way. They're like petulant little children screaming and throwing a fit when they don't get their way.

You are pathetic Spencer, he mentions you over 30 times in his manifesto. You clearly have blood on your hands.

A quick, fact-based, review of the reaction to the mass murders in Norway paints quite a picture.

1) First, everybody in the news entertainment bidness, even the Lamestreamers, assumed it was Moslems acting on the commands of the Ko-Ran and the exalted example in the Hah-Deaths and Sear-Rah.

But why not? That was only a natural assumption given the events of the last few decades. Nothing to apologize for on that count.

2) But apologize they do. This indicates a syndrome where everything must be based on the actions of an individual or a group of them. This is insane, of course, but no matter. It feels right and dammit we just can't fall into the habit of discriminating against Moslems.

But why not? Discrimination is the basis of living behavior from the mollusk all the way up to the human, including even that most notable human of all, the Holy Prophet Mohammed. Their scriptures call for events like Norway, and so do their clerics who openly state the call to mass murder every day. So why not first look at Moslems as suspects?

3) Much has been made over the last two days that the killer was an anti-Jihadist, and that he was quite upset with bringing Moslems en masse into his country.

So what? The underlying theory in the Lamestream's thinking here is a correct one: strip a population of its right to free speech, and you're gonna have some people snap. Including persons who have murder in their hearts in the first place, sorta like a John Wayne Gacy with a claim to a righteous cause instead of an interest in the artisan craft of manufacturing lamp shades.

While it's I told you so satisfying to see our news entertainers implicitly acknowledge the collapse of free speech in the West, they should look farther back.

There was another mass murderer who killed tens times innocents in a single day, at a place called Banu Qurazay. And that mass murderer, the Holy Prophet Mohammed, was different from Anders Breivik in many ways: he had a system that called for his mass murder, he had many helpers and his recruiting office boomed after the 800 were slaughtered, he had the explicit backing of god for his mass murder from an enthusiastic God -- and he had, and still has, 33:21 to keep rat on with the great recruiting success.

*** 33:21 ***

Anders Breivik had none of that. It seems we are outgunned, again, and that we must accept as wisdom the fantastic proposition that radical Judeo-Christianity is as big a terror threat as that from "radical Islam."

So keep an eye out.

@John Blank, you said "Christians not in the West because they are restrained by the Enlightenment. Elsewhere, not so much."

What do you know about Christians in Asia and else where to give you the right to made such false claim?. I am an Indonesian and currently living in Jakarta, I have been to Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, China, Taiwan and Philippine and I don't see your claim about Christians true in those countries.

In fact Philippine as a christian majority nation has suffered from Islamic insurgence till this day and I don't even hear a single bad thing about Islam from Filipinos I know, nor that happen in their media.

As for Malaysia and Indonesia it is us Christians who suffered persecutions from Muslims! I was a Buddhist before convert to Christianity and I suffered the same persecution regardless of my religions!. My Buddhist sister struggled more than ten years just to receive permit to erect a Vihara(Buddhist worship place), and she can't build the Vihara for another 3 years because the local did not permit it! and these kind of treatments happen also to every single non-islam religions.

The truth is outside of The West, Christians either a majority who tolerate other religions or a minority who suffered persecution from Muslims! Just look at Egypt, Sudan, Palestine(Yes, Palestinians persecute Christians is a fact!), Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Malaysia, Indonesia and many other Islamic countries. I dare you to defy these facts if you think your previous statement's truthful!

APF, the mainstream media (unlike the other occassions when there IS a muslim mass murderer) has still not mentioned a backlash-worry against Christians.

After every muslim terrorist attack, the MSM is very quick to warn its readers not to harbour anti-muslim sentiments in their bosom because muslims are always oh-so-sweet, one murderer does not exemplify the whole religion, blah blah.

So where is all that writing for the Christians?

After every muslim terrorist attack, the MSM is very quick to warn its readers not to harbour anti-muslim sentiments in their bosom because muslims are always oh-so-sweet, one murderer does not exemplify the whole religion, blah blah.

So where is all that writing for the Christians?

It's in the implicit, Khush, in the implicit. There are massive apologetics deployed rat now, mea culpas falling from Western lips as fast as they can flap them, and they're flapping all over the map. We were wrong, we assumed it was a misunderstander of Islam who did this, but instead it was one of us. This proves that the odds are even.

The Lamestreamers are more than happy to fill their 24/7 cycle with self-criticism for their unintentional bigotry, especially given that it turns out the wrong assumption was impelled by the bad seed of the anti-Jihadist crowd, and that crowd's history-telling, their reporting, their unusual theories, their hurtful criticism painting Moslems with a single brush. We have fallen under in the influence of bad seed sown by the likes of Spencer here, who it turns out was a partial indirect cause of this mass murder.

*** 33:21 ***

You got your Moslem terror, oh sure, but then you got your Judeo-Christian terror, too. So let's keep an even keel here cuz the odds are even that a Judeo-Christian is just as likely to keel you as an active Moslem is.

Impressive. U have the ability to determine someone's ethnicity by simply reading a post. According to ur despicable and hateful ideologies I'm not Jewish because I don't support the notion that every Muslim on planet earth is a murdering terrorist. Top notch

And obviously u have me confused with somebody else cuz I never mentioned anything about Hitler or card carrying Christians. I guess ur knee jerk reaction to attack anybody who doesn't t agree with ur nonesense got the best of u this time.

IQ al Rassooli,

It's difficult to remain objective about your post, but I'll try.

First of all, let's clear up one very obvious contradiction in your claim: "shear (sic) frustration and anger bottled up without lawful means of expression in the stifling politically correct death throes of the Western world."

This is ridiculous on its face. Breivik had his own website, where he said anything he wanted to say, and specifically criticized the Muslim immigration. What more would he need to consider that he was allowed to express himself? Be elected Prime Minister?

"In conclusion, this young terrorist is not misguided. On the contrary he is an extremely focused, calculating, selfless, single minded man. He has temporarily and intentionally turned himself into a highly organized and efficient KILLING MACHINE!"

In other words, it was rational for Breivik to shoot 100 young people, because he felt that Norway's political process did not give him and his views sufficient power.

He has actually intentionally targeted the appeasers and supporters of Islam with the bitter taste normally experienced by the usual victims of Islam.

Actually, he has not even targeted the supporters directly. He targeted their children.

I guess it's true that if you think murdering 100 innocent people will bring about your political fantasy, and if you are a sociopath with no conscience, and you are such a loser that you don't care about your own future, it is perfectly rational to shoot 90 youngsters in cold blood.

What is happening in most European countries, new off- shoot political parties whose agenda is to limit and even reverse the flow of Muslim immigrants are gaining 15-20% of the electoral votes even though they have no trackrecord.

So, if parties are now forming in Europe to address the uncontrolled Muslim immigration, what is added by shooting 100 youngsters in cold blood? Where's the rationale for that?

I have no understanding of, nor sympathy, for this type of person or action whatsoever. I think it's a mistake to attribute his actions to any specific situation, and particularly to use it as an implied threat: "If the European governments don't listen more to their people, more people like Breivik will get frustrated and snap (My summary; Not yours)."

What an immoral view. He wants to get his way by giving vent to his darkest impulses and murdering people. That's just the way to bring about a civilized society.

It's really rich when Muslims pretend to be Jews online just so they can smear them. Or when they pretend to be a Norwegian "Christian" "rightwing" white guy IRL and in full bloody kill mode for similar PR.

" U have the ability to determine someone's ethnicity by simply reading a post."

Bravado, machismo and tough guy demeanor, poor spelling and grammar and using obvious non-kuranimal I.Ds *are* all hallmarks of the typical mohammadan male.

"And obviously u have me confused with somebody else cuz I never mentioned anything about Hitler or card carrying Christians."

I addressed "trolls", plural, in my post. You're obviously too stupid to understand plurals.

And no, everyone who doesn't agree with me is not a mohammadan. Many are libtards. Some are even Christians. Those I just call ijits. I still stand by my assertation that you are indeed a mohammadan pretending to be a Jew, thinking it will win uppity kaffirs to your side.

"4 That is WHY he did not attack Muslims! He slaughtered the children, relatives and supporters of the very politicians running his country."

I'm not so sure about him not attacking muslims, IQ.

Sheik yermami posted links to a video interview of some of the survivors. They most definitly were not "ethnic" Norwegians. Nor were they all children. One was a 30 year old and my best guess is he is named Ali, Mohammad, Buraq (the news cast conveniently did not identify this survivor by name). He was OBVIOUSLY, GLARINGLY OBVIOUSLY NOT an "ethnic" Norwegian. Still doesn't make right what he did. As much as I hate the alis, aishas and mohammads destroying my country and culture I won't go all Pulp Fiction on them.

CNN is reporting that his lawyer will release a statement tomorrow. I'm waiting to hear, if anything, he has to say about this guy's motications.

Aww... does my "5th grade grammatical" ability offend ur intellectual superiority? I could've swore I was posting comments on some dumba** website not doing actual school work!
In addition, it's obvious that ur so helplessly consumed by ur hatred of Islam that ur unable to accept that I , along with the majority of my people (jews) don't agree with ur garbage! Being Jewish comes with the responsibility of confronting stereotyping and discrimination regardless of how hopless and irrelevant the source

"What do you know about Christians in Asia and else where to give you the right to made such false claim?"

Don't bother, mobasher. Libtards like shootin' blanks, don't care to know the facts.

When they are told that their current pets (mohammadans) are KILLING non-mohammadans in other countries they practically put their hands over their ears and go "nanananananana!!!!"

They are the most evil, single-minded, tunnel-visioned creatures on the planet.

While mohammadans are influenced to do evil by their unholy texts, libtards are compelled to evil by their own sense of moral superiority. Any fact that contradicts their skewed sense of moral superiority is simply disregarded or attacked as lies.

LUV your reply chick!

"Ur" obviously a Muslim. You're not fooling anyone, Mohammedan, so beat it.

Thanks, BlueRaven.

I had to restrain myself. A lot.

After reading mobasher's eloquent and almost pleading reply to shootin' blanks, I was reminded of an idiotic statement some libtard posted on another board.

He/she/it, posted it on a thread about kuranimals shooting and beheading Buddhists in Thailand. He/she/it more or less said "it's no surpise that muslims are angry and fighting back after all the crap they have to put up with in America!"

I was floored. I know libtards are loathesome but to equate being denied wearing bags over their heads for ids and communities not wanting mosques in their neighbourhoods to MURDER was beyond evil and so typically libtarded.

And I know shootin' blanks is exactly one of those moral equivalency libtards.

"You are pathetic Spencer, he mentions you over 30 times in his manifesto. You clearly have blood on your hands."

LOL! Look pathetic "FE," go back to your Liberal Idiocy where you belong. Only the Nordic Nutcase has blood on his hands. Please - go live in Yemen, Good Riddance.

U display, among many other things, the most disgusting racist attitude. I don't think its muslims u hate. It's prob ur own miserably pathetic life that motivates u to be so bitter. It's not Islams fault u still live with mommy and daddy. Either way u deserve no more of my time.

Ur the third person who apparently thinks my grammer is inadequate for the "scholars" present on this site. U clowns take UR "job" of posting irrelevant comments on the internet way too seriously. UR childish remarks, and this goes for all u English teachers out there, just verifies how shallow UR "arguments" are!

You have raised very good points challenging the malicious lies of John Blank, Real Jew and their likes. As to be expected, they are incapable of rationally defending their lies. So, they can only respond with random insults. This is all they're good at - malicious lies and random insults. Truth and rationality are things that are utterly foreign and repulsive to them.

"U display, among many other things, the most disgusting racist attitude."

What race are muslims?

Is it racist to hate nazis, commies or pedophiles?

How about rapists?

And you do realize that you are hurling out the same, almost word for word, insults, that your mohammadan co-cultists use, right?

Leopards can't change their spots and mohammadans can't change their character.

"According to Europool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#cite_ref-71
the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are not islamist in charakter.... thus the apearence is created that islamic terrorism isnt a danger for Europe....

Can anyone present an counterargument to this?"

I won't bother with wiki, but, I will assume that these "terror attack" statistics are exactly like the FBI statistics that mohammadans and libtards like to throw around about terrorist activity in America.

In the FBI statistics tearing down posters, carrying giant posters of aborted fetuses, cutting the plug wires on construction equipment and handing out fliers of anti-anything are called "terror activities" and lumped in with the "terrorist activies and attacks" including the terror attacks of 9/11.

In other words, the statics use the moral equivalency argument and say all actions that make some one cry boo-hoo are considered terror attacks. So, you may have 10,000 tree huggers chaining themselves to trees and the statistics call them 10,000 TERROR ATTACKS.

So, we've had 10,001 terror attacks in America. 10,000 of them harmed no one. One killed 3,000 people but the statistics say tree huggers carry out 9,999 more terror attacks than mohammadans.

My counter argument is this: anyone who uses these stastistics as proof that mohammadan terrorists are less dangerous to the public than other terrorists is the moral equal of an accountant who cooks the books to make losses look like profits.

"This is all they're good at - malicious lies and random insults..."

The classic fall back move of mohammadans and libtards when you're not buying their bullshi'ite.

It's fun pushing their buttons though because eventually their masks of civility slip and their true faces and natures shine through for all to see.

Bug off, Muslim. Take your insults elsewhere.

Your grammar is inadequate because your brain is inadequate Real Muslim. You're programmed to hate. And Islam is not a race. And you are nothing but a worthless peabrained infidel-hater of no significance whatsoever.

"Your grammar is inadequate because your brain is inadequate Real Muslim."

ROFLMAO!

Spot on and to the point! Good one, Spirit!

The article leaves out the real meaning of State Sponsored terrorism - e.g. the countries such as Iran and Pakistan sponsor terrorism is not included... The article is written by a bunch of leftarded people who do not want to upset their brothers-in-arm the Mohaounds.

The description does not mention Islamic terrorism - hence it is not accurate and it is biased.

Here's a telling quote:

"I'm PRETTY sure regular socialism doesn't have any provision or philosophy endorsing genocide, either."

..and here's a quote to put anyone displaying such lack of historical knowledge and primary socialist sources back on the right track, provided there's some curiosity involved to educate oneself:

"[..] The truth is that in modern Europe, genocide has been exclusively a socialist idea, ever since Engels proclaimed it in Marx's journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung in January-February 1849. Ever since then everyone who has advocated genocide has called himself a socialist, without exception."

This is from the book by prof. George Watson: "The Lost Literature of Socialism" (1998).

At your service,
Sag.

qudos for an extremely logical, eloquent, and *sane* analysis.

like you, i have always maintained that while the criminal msm bs is being spewed on and on and on (insulting our individual intelligence), the average person in the west, not infected by the multi-culti virus, is simmering inside...and eventually there will be a violent eruption.

not unlike that of DR baruch goldstein in hebron...

"According to Europool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#cite_ref-71
the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are not islamist in charakter"

Well, Unknown...

If you look at the actual bar chart in the article, it shows, or seems to show, that the total number of Islamist terror attacks, foiled, failed, and successful, in Europe between 2008 and 2010 was about FOUR.

This is compared to roughly 820 separatist attacks, and 120 leftwing-rightwing attacks, whatever that means.

Now, there is always a problem between using news stories in place of statistics, but I'm not prepared to believe there were 5 or fewer attempted or successful terror attacks by Islamists in 3 years in Europe, while at the same time, 820 terror attacks by separatists.

So, something is wrong with this picture. If you go by the chart, Europe is in a real terror war which is being totally ignored, while being completely consumed by a will 'o the wisp.

Of course, it might be said that on the American continent, there have been over 30,000 deaths by terror in the past 5 years, while maybe 50 deaths by Islamists in the US. But, of course, the books are cooked on this, as we don't have real statistics on Islamist deaths in Mexico, while we have plenty of information on the drug wars.

One deduction from the implied statistics would be that a country should not allow the growth of alienated communities of immigrants who see themselves as separate from the majority, or they are asking for trouble.

Can you present a counterargument to this deduction?

Yes, MataMoros -

And there's more.
The document by Anders Behring Breivik is a copy/paste product from these original documents (quotes source documents are from the last paragraphs):

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC1.pdf

Orig:
"While the hour is late, the battle is not decided. Very few Americans realize that Political Correctness is in fact Marxism in a different set of clothes. As that realization spreads, defiance will spread with it."

Anders Behring Breivik:
"While the hour is late, the battle is not decided. Very few Western Europeans realise that Political Correctness is in fact Marxism in a different set of clothes. As that realisation spreads, defiance will spread with it."

This goes on, all the way up to the last (sixth) original document.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC2.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC3.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC4.pdf

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC5.pdf

Orig:
"Will American men, of every race, and more traditionalist women of every age and circumstances – who may well be a silent majority of their sex – rise to challenge Political Correctness? Or will American men continue in voluntary submission toward a future of peonage under a new American matriarchy? Would that be a precursor to a condition of anarchy, and an end to America’s experiment with democracy? It may well be that the fate of American civilization depends on American men steadfastly resisting Politically Correct feminism. Even more, they must resourcefully oppose the wider grip of Political Correctness, the cultural Marxism for which radical feminism is only one avenue of attack."

Anders Behring Breivik:
"Who will rise to challenge Political Correctness? The fate of European civilisation depends on European men steadfastly resisting Politically Correct feminism. Even more, they must resourcefully oppose the wider grip of Political Correctness, the cultural Marxism for which radical feminism is only one avenue of attack."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC6.pdf

Orig:
"This small bibliography will be enough to get an interested reader started; the full literature on and by the Frankfurt School is immense, as the bibliographies in Jay’s and Wiggershaus’s books attest. What has been missing from it, at least in English, is a readable book, written for the layman, that explains the Frankfurt School and its works in terms of the creation of Political Correctness. This short volume is at least a start in filling that gap."

Anders Behring Breivik:
"This small bibliography will be enough to get an interested reader started; the full literature on and by the Frankfurt School is immense, as the bibliographies in Jay’s and Wiggershaus’s books attest. What has been missing from it, at least in English, is a readable book, written for the layman, that explains the Frankfurt School and its works in terms of the creation of Political Correctness. This short volume is at least a start in filling that gap."

Kind regs from Amsterdam,
Sag.

What I got out of this thread was a bunch of Blanks, firing Blanks...

Swami, what I get out of this thread is that it's at 225 posts now. Even discounting for troll traffic, that's a lot. And the reason for the volume is that the credibility of the anti-Jihad resistance movement has been called into question.

*** Islam translated: Surrender! ***

We need a new name. So does the Tea Party. Those crazy Moslems do have flair. Their name is so cool. And rat to the point.

"Hmm.....

Are there any "dead bodys" statistics for all this "acts of terror" for the EU or the USA?"

Too lazy or stupid to look for yourself?

Go to loonwatch. They'd be more than happy to show you some skewed statistics to show that Amish preachers killed more people with farm equipment in 200 years than mohammadans have in the 10 years since 9/11 thereby "proving" that mohammadans are not at all dangerous and Amish preachers are a threat to all mankind.

However, according to your loonwatch's interpretation of the FBI statistics only 6% of the terrorist attacks in the U.S. are carried out by mohammadans BUT according to CAIR the percentage of mohammadans in America is 2% (But we know CAIR over inflates everything, it's probably only 1%).

So, according to loonwatch, 2% of the population carries out 6% of the terror attacks.

So, you loons shoot yourselves in the foot, again.

"Are there any "dead bodys" statistics for all this "acts of terror" for the EU or the USA?"

Unknown,

You should tell me, since I am inferring the number of terror acts from the bar graph that you linked to and cited. I would presume that you had some familiarity with links that you give as a reference.

As far as dead bodies, here is a statistic for the drug war in Mexico:

"34,612 Deaths in Mexico’s Drug War in 4 Years, Mexican President Says"
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/34612-deaths-mexico-s-drug-war-4-years-m

The lesson to me is that the US desperately needs to control its borders. If we get a community of Mexican immigrants of any appreciable size who identify with the drug gangs, we could see that type of killing here in the US. Similarly, if we get a community of Muslims who do not identify with the Western culture, we could see more organized terror activity than the "lone wolf" attacks we have seen so far.

In point of fact, an organized attack can be far more devastating to a country than an opportunistic attack. The 9/11 attack was planned to cause a major disruption in the US economic and political life, and succeeded.

"And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death." Exodus 21.15

" Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants." Isaiah 14:21

I hope no one minds my reposting what I wrote when I first read this article, linked by poster Archibald Angel on the "Who added "Christian" and "Conservative" to Norway shooter's Facebook page yesterday?" thread:

Archibald Angel wrote:

Aftenposten.no is now reporting him as a counter-jihadist endorsing the views of Fjordman, Robert Spencer, and Bat Yeor.
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Thanks for posting this, Archibald. I don't read Norwegian–although I do read German, which has some linguistic similarities.

But the words "kristen", "konservativ", "nazi", "radikalisert", "fascisme", and "counterjihadist" are quite clear—as are the phrases "kulturekonservativ" and "terroristen varien norsk ektrem nasjonalist" (rough translation: "terrorism in the name of extreme Nordic nationalism").

The names Fjordman, Bat Yeor (sic), and Spencer—clearly Robert Spencer—are also clear. Describing (Oriana) Fallaci and Bat Ye'or in the English-language passage as "traditionally Fascist" could not be more grotesque.

These are both people who have spent much of their lives *working against Fascism*.

The implication, of course, is that Fjordman, Bat Ye'or, Robert Spencer and other anti-Jihadists inspire and support the sort of hideous terrorism we saw in Norway yesterday—when **nothing** could be further from the truth.

This Aftenposten article could not be more Orwellian.
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And, as noted, the fact that SIOE *rejected* this Nazi creep's application should prove their integrity, and nothing more.

Sheik Yer'Mami wrote:

Uhhh, some very smelly troll infestation here.
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You're not wrong, Sheik...

Re: "Similarly, if we get a community of Muslims who do not identify with the Western culture..."

Are you referring to patriotism by any chance? Patriotism is a foreign concept in Muslim cultures, even in their own native Arab countries. Expecting patriotism from Muslims immigrating to the West is a pipe dream.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/06/03/why-muslim-cultures-lag-behind/

too lazy I would say.....

Well even if Muslims comitted 6% of terror attacks on US soil their percentege in "dead bodies" must be bigger......

As far as I know 9/11 allone has caused more dead then all the lynchings of Blacks in US history....

and I want on Loonwach often....

Do they have "dead body" statistics or only "terror statistics" (were the majority are non deadly "terror attacks")?

IQ al Rassooli, it took me untill now to review lots of information to feel I now understand the situation, at the practical level. You have put into better words than I could have, about the analysis of what happened, perfectly-spot on. You've done a great analyticla job early on, IQ.

I've done a lot of observing of material, haven't yet hardly cracked the manifesto, but sampled it.

All info, I've so far seen, indicates this was primarily a long term (9 or more years)personally hidden agenda of a very intelligent (IQ wise), and stunningly dedicated and cunning individual of clear Norwegian descent. I know your name is Ibn publicly, sorry, just coincidence (about the IQ bit) (love your valuable sites (http://www.al-rassooli.org/ ) and contributions, too, FYI, BTW)

In no way do I condone or accept such resulting and revolting action that he executed, but sadly, I see his troubled conclusions, so invalid as they indeed are, both his action and excusing his actions wise, that he laid out in the manifesto.

BTW, some of his reasoning has been almost a copy of islamic reasoning, some not. No Christian is he, nor is or was he a Freemason, nor a commander, or others of his fancivul uniforms he has posed himself in. Any of those were pure fraud, not real, even if he had signed a membership log, it was not consistant with the fundamentals of Christianity, nor Freemasonary. Period, I know on my life! He was true to neither!

Ultimately, he went off the deep end, using a coldness that is usually seen in the former nazis and always in islam executioners, as well as so many many miscellaneous criminals throughout history.

If the full truth goes public, it is going to have some degree of effect around the world on thinking. Probably most often the wrong conclusions.

This is all about his reaction, I believe, to the global jihad. Attacks of islamic terroristic nature and sometimes worse, in every nation virtually. China, India, European Continent, Israel, Russia (Beslan, airports), South America, North America (Mexico, U.S. Canada), nowhere is not effected by islamic terrorism, today. Islam of course attacks its own, Shia against Sunni, etc. in civil war like actions, too. One only needs to open eyes very wide, to see it played out, globally. If anything drove him mad, like a mad scientist, it is the observations of truth that is in this paragraph.

All intelligent and successful leaders and notables in history since about 632 A.D. have made comments on the utter evil danger and absolutely inexcusable worthlessness, deadly and warlike nature of islam, since soon after its Medina version of the quran, was invented by mo.

The islamic destruction will build inexorably, the danger, deadlyness, and ultimately the reaction, because islam is defined by that fundamental dictum, above all, immutably, Surah 9.5. The Verse of the Sword!! THAT AND ALL ELSE OF ISLAM, STRIKES AT THE VERY HEART OF THE FREEDOM OF THE WORLD, along with the dictum, and allah authorization, to deceive/lie beyond belief (taqiyyah), and to withhold facts to make a bad thing appear to be good, (kitman)

All of history with islam shows an ebb and flow of carnage and bloodbaths, the greatest by far ever in history, these past 1370 or so years. Throughout the history of islam, it has been shown to be the ultimate battle between good and evil, period.

Islam is all about pure criminal behavior and death, at the fundamentals. Islam will win unless the free world of everyone learns, joins hands and banishes evil, on earth.

"Do they have "dead body" statistics or only "terror statistics" (were the majority are non deadly "terror attacks")?"

Loonwatch only made a pie chart using the FBI's statistics on terrorism which broke them down into terrorist groups. If I recall correctly the groups were Hispanic, Muslim extremist, Jewish extrmist, Left wing Extremist and Other.

Loonwatch makes no mention of who the various groups were in the larger groups, of course.

But if you look at the FBI'S site they do break down the individual groups in the larger groups and explenations/descriptions for what constitutes terror.

The Left wing extremists are tree huggers and PETA/WWF types who damage property, not actually kill anyone.

The bulk of the Hispanic groups are, believe it or not, NOT South American/Mexican drug cartels but socialist groups in Puerto Rico.

As for statistics on blacks, you will find that the death toll for Africans was and STILL IS higher, at the hands of Arab mohammadans than at the hands of "white Christian devils. But nice try at moral relativity there.

Funny thing you didn't mention the millions of deaths of White European slaves at the hands of Arab AND Ottoman mohammadans and their castrated African slaves or of the deaths and enslavement of American and English whites at the hands of the Barbery mohammadans.

@FalconEye

"You are pathetic Spencer, he mentions you over 30 times in his manifesto. You clearly have blood on your hands."

Is that so? Terrorists around the world committed crimes more heinous and more destructive than what happened at Oslo while shouting "Allahu Akbar", even in your own soil America many homegrown Jihadist shouting "Allahu Akbar" while killing innocent people(like that Nidal Malik Hasan at Fort Hood) yet US medias and government not even once link those crimes to Islam, clearly Allah has blood on his hands!

Nice work/analysis details, IC

It is interesting how these leftist/muslim trolls who despise Christianity don't seem perturbed that the muslim terrorist group Al Shabbab is preventing 'western' and 'christian' aid in Somalia, which may lead to the death of 2.2 million people. These leftist/muslim trolls like to chop off their noses to spite their faces.

The mind boggles how these trolls try to find a false moral equivalency between christianity and islam.

Hey Trolls: Try reading An Infidel's Guide to the Koran by our own dear Robert Spencer for a start. Or Understanding Muhammad by Ali Sina. Sina has offered a $50,000 reward to anyone who can DISPROVE that Muhammad was a murderer, rapist, assassin, thief, etc. etc. Jesus was a pacifist and healer. He didn't steal, rape or kill. BTW, I'm not a Christian.

I agree. Hear Hear!

Amen, msblue, well done.

I like your simply stated truth. That needs repeating so I hope you don't mind if I do so.

@ Mo

I have nothing better to do so I might as well pick up the slack.

First thing first, I'm going to disregard whether or not McVeigh was a christian or atheist or pastafarian or whatever else, because quite frankly I don't really care. Arguing about it isn't going to bring any of the people he killed back, nor is it going to change the steadfast opinions here.

If I neglected to say it last night, I'll say it now: to think that only islam is capable of senseless violence is folly. Islam has institutionalized violence, true, but any individual or group is just as capable of coming up with some sort of justification for it if they believe it'll suit their purposes. Christianity is no exception by any means.

A religion doesn't have to expressly condone violence for some yutz to commit violence in its name. If a guy blows up an abortion clinic for the sake of Christianity, that makes him a christian terrorist as far as I'm concerned because he did it for Christianity's sake, even if the bible forbids that sort of thing.

Well Alex, why aren't you living in Iran or trying to distribute Bibles in Saudi Arabia. You'd then learn straitght up the difference bettween Christianity and Islam. here you are, slagging off Christianity somewhere in the US or at least in the West, and nothing is happening to you. You are still intact. Nobody has harmed a single hair on your head or anywhere else. But criticise the Iranian regime in Iran or try spreading Christianity or any other faith other than Islam in Saudi Arabia and you're risking your life. So follow your principles and get out on the next plane bound for Tehran or Riyadh. In the name of God, GO! Bu then again, life is far too good for you here. Those awful Jews and Christians you despise so much have given you and your family far too good a life and the safety a Pakistani Christian could hardly dare dream about, for you to leave. For a Pakistani Christian who lives in fear of the Muslim mobs and has witnessed the burning down of his church and the slaughter of some of his best friends by Allah Akbar-screaming savages, two weeks of your cushy life here in the West would be the holiday of a lifetime for him and his family, and if there were justice in this world, you and your ungrateful ilk would be in his shoes and he in yours.

Well Alex, why aren't you living in Iran or trying to distribute Bibles in Saudi Arabia. You'd then learn straight up the difference bettween Christianity and Islam. here you are, slagging off Christianity somewhere in the US or at least in the West, and nothing is happening to you. You are still intact. Nobody has harmed a single hair on your head or anywhere else. But criticise the Iranian regime in Iran or try spreading Christianity or any other faith other than Islam in Saudi Arabia and you're risking your life. So follow your principles and get out on the next plane bound for Tehran or Riyadh. In the name of God, GO! But then again, life is far too good for you here. Those awful Jews and Christians you despise so much have given you and your family far too good a life and the safety a Pakistani Christian could hardly dare dream about, for you to leave. For a Pakistani Christian who lives in fear of the Muslim mobs and has witnessed the burning down of his church and the slaughter of some of his best friends by Allah Akbar-screaming savages, two weeks of your cushy life here in the West would be the holiday of a lifetime for him and his family, and if there were any justice in this world, you and your ungrateful ilk would be in his shoes and he in yours.

"If a guy blows up an abortion clinic for the sake of Christianity, that makes him a christian terrorist as far as I'm concerned because he did it for Christianity's sake, even if the bible forbids that sort of thing."

Please! Do you even see the logical disconence in this paragraph? Please read your own writing again, it's quite a doozy. If someone commits an act that is, by your own admission not condoned or even condemned by Christianity, that person is still considered a "Christian terrorist" and thus, you are free to make the ridiculous claim that Christianity is somehow violent?

So then, you're saying that all afilliations are automaticly besmerched by one person, even if the group as a whole says they do not condone, or even condemn the act? So if say an athiest boy scout leader who belongs to Alpha Cappa Whatta murders, the person should be considered a athiest boy scout Alpha Cappa Whatta terrorist? You're diving off the deep end, and I really hope you reconsider what you are saying.

I can get away with blasting Christianity all I want, but for how much longer? With right-wing blowhards like Bachmann running for public office, and with the possibility they could very well win, I imagine things could become like some craphole ME nation quite easily. That doesn't seem to register here with you people, sadly.

As it stands, I don't like you insinuating that the US is a christian nation in the sense that Christianity dictates political policy, nor do I care for the notion that Christianity is in any way responsible for making this country a beacon of freedom and democracy. If it was the way you're trying to imply, the country WOULD be like some craphole ME nation. Religion and politics don't mix, period. The FFs knew this, and that's why we have the Establishment Clause.

I don't even know where you're pulling this garbage from about how I should catch a plane to Saudi Arabia or wherever so I can learn a lesson about how great America's supposed christian morality is. The only lesson to learn is what a country becomes if religion dominates.

By your lack of logic, a guy who says the god of the war planet named Mars made him do it, means that as far as you're concerned, he is an obvious Martian! Gawd!

Ha Ha!

Islam commands itself to be the enemy and attack, forever, and Judeo Christianity commands the opposite (you know-peace love forgiveness, real family and living values, the Commandments, the other cheek?), at least in these days/decades/centuries, if ever some tiny part of the actual Holy Bible said otherwise, which doesn't matter. Because now is now, as far as ideological principles are concerned Not 600 A.D.

Islam didn't grow, evolve, it just froze totally in place as total darkness, period. It was invented that way, to be that way, period. It can't be islam and evolve.

And a person commiting an un Christian act, saying he is doing if for, or in the name of Christianity, is simply commiting an un Christian act, not for or as a Christian, even if it is a Mayan or Martian or islam, so claiming it. He would just be a Mayan or Martian or islamic terrorist.

The islam is the only one who can correctly, regretably and properly claim, by right of islam authorization and command, that he is an islamic terrorist, and can be so blamed, because it is the only pseudo-religion death cult on earth that orders such behaviors. None other actual religions so order such. That's why there are no other religious actual terrorists.

And if some people persist in labeling any of the religions as terrorists, except islam, they are being lazy and outrageoulsy irresponsible. Capish? Kennen sie nicht?

Go on, try blasting Islam in Saudi Arabia. You won't because you know what will happen to you if you do. Blasting Christianity is as easy as falling off a log, because nothing will happen to you. It is time the likes of yourself disciovered what real intolerance is like, so off you go to Riyadh and try hawking Bibles or Torahs there. Just get an Israeli stamp on your passport and try getting into Saudi Arabia. You don't know the meaning of intolerance because you've never faced it first hand, and that is because you live in a Christian country and you abuse the freedoms and lifestyle it gives you. And we all know you would fight tooth and nail against anyone who tried to exile you to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan.

Oops, read too fast, missed point 4 that he started a European civil war, not so, not that simple, at all.

And disagree, in last paragraph, that he had anything bottled up, he had plenty of lawful outlets for his possible frustration to blow off steam, or whatever form of psychopathology was troubling him. But he chose not to do so, and went underground in his own mind, by his own choice of internal psychological need, with a long dedicated effort of his scheme. And rather than test repeatedly his choices of thoughts for validity, he presumably sought only ways to find support and reinforcement for his illogic conclusions for action. He had in his mind twisted the thinking, not usually logic, of a bunch of others that he was reading, of wide diversity, with diverse axes to grind, even the troubled Ted Kuzinski, and fitted patterns of others and other groups, maybe even islam, to an illogical conclusion. Most other of your contentions, seem to be pretty much right, IQ, particularly as they apply to Anders and the sad political scene.

If the US was Islamic it would be like Saudi Arabia or Iran. And if you weren't a Muslim you'd be trying to get the hell out. It is the fortune of Americans that the US was founded upon Christian principles. And this fortune is trashed by the likes of yourself. The US is about 90% Christian. Now what would life be like for you and your family if it was only 5% Christian and about 90% Muslim, and you were one of the Christians, or Jewish? Probably little different to that of the Pakistani Christian living in Pakistan. It is fools like yourself who are a danger to Western civilization because you are an enabler of the worst kind of intolerance. Your moral equivalence blurs the lines between good and evil and right and wrong.

And you harp on about the dangers of one religion dominating. Lets look at Nigeria - about 45% Muslim and 45% Christian. No religion predominates numerically, but it cannot be pleasant to be a Nigerian Christian living anywhere near the borders between the Christian and Muslim parts of the country. Despite equal numbers, Christians are being persecuted there. And there is a warning of what will happen if Muslims make up even 30% of the population of the West. And one thing is certain - a country which is 90% Christian is a damned sight more pleasant to live in than one which is 90% Muslim. And not many Pakistani Christians would disagree with that.

Could you please answer my post?

Do you mean to say any and all affiliations should be considered as an origin for a crime by a person belonging to that group, even if that group does not advocate or even condemns such action? (See my example of the boy scout fraternity member)

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"I can get away with blasting Christianity all I want"

Indeed you can, but the "blasting" is not truth, but vile dishonesty and logically inconsistent straw men. You do not blame Christianity for what it condones (it's sins), but what it does not, and even condemns (Christianity's virtue). There's a word for people who do that: bigot. You are indeed a Christaphobic bigot.

"You shall know the truth and the Truth shall set you free" - Jesus Christ (John 8:23, NIV)
"A is A" - John Galt

Ah, Spirit, it would take too long to educate him to actual history and logic, he's had such a load of leftard talking points dumped onto him for so long. Maybe he is still in high school, or something. But you are game trying.
Seem to me he needs to start learning by observing, reading, and listening, and maybe crack open some Greek philosophy, and some logic text, and some non-revisionist world history and western civ, too, and comparitive Judeo/Christian texts. And a whole lot of Medina full revised quran familiarizations, 101, with the verse of the sword studied first, to see how it goes on and on. If not the PC leftard revised versions of above, they should bring him up to speed.

JW has consistently promotes a non-violent , ideological based anti-jihad approach. If anything, it redirects energy away from a confrontational and violent defence against the mounting frustrations resulting form the islamic encroachment and invasion taking place all around us. Thus serving an outlet outlet for many in their fight against jihad .
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You are so right, wakingwest.
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words.
I couldn't have put it better myself.

Istanbul_Chick,

I like your going to the original site and presenting the actual facts as a result of your research.

Let me try out some conclusions on you:

1) By far the greatest danger comes from organized groups that share a culture or viewpoint that is distinct from the community in which they live;

2) There is always a danger from "lone wolf" attackers who develop psychotic obsessions due to real or imagined grievances. Societies have to have defense mechanisms in place to limit the damage due to the "lone wolf" killer.

3) The main danger from Muslims in the US now is actually political rather than physical; Islam as a political philosophy is totally incompatible with the philosophy of the US constitution, but it is very possible for organized Muslims, such as CAIR, to use the political process to import aspects of Sharia law;

4) A certain amount of diversity is very healthy for society, even if it results in conflict or increased crime. For example, the existence of SWAT teams, a response to gang activity, would significantly decrease the reaction time to a lone wolf killer like Breivik.

sonofwalker,

You included this quote from wikipedia on Fjordman:

"Fjordman is no longer anonymus, but is Anders Behring Breivik who is seem responsible for the Oslo bombing and has committed the Utøya murders of 22nd July 2011."

Your posting is unclear, so I'm not sure if you endorsed this quote or not. However, we should state it unambiguously: "Fjordman is NOT Breivik."

Doing a little more research on the identity of the Oslo terrorist, BTNO is running a story, which, in translation, is titled “Blogs, but are not Fjordman.” BTNO quotes the founder of document.no, Hans Rustad, as saying that he met Fjordman after a debate and that he viewed him as “special, but not extreme.” BTNO also says, “Rustad also rejects the Behring Breivik is identical with the Norwegian blogger Fjordman, who is considered a key right-wing and anti-Islamic voice in Europe. - Fjordman has written on the Gates of Wienna all night, so I can categorically deny, says Rustad.

Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs also says, “the shooter is not Fjordman. I have met Fjordman, I know his identity, and he is not Anders Breivik. This is just a sinister attempt to tar all anti-jihadists with responsibility for this man’s heinous actions.”

http://europeson.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/oslo-bomber-identity-update/

Hi RonaldB:

I think sonofwalker was attacking the Wikipedia article. He is a long time poster here and has always been an anti-jihadist.

BTW, thank you for your posts on this thread. They were a paragon of reasonableness in the face of provocation.

@ Alex Fraser

"First thing first, I'm going to disregard whether or not McVeigh was a christian or atheist or pastafarian or whatever else, because quite frankly I don't really care."

First things, first, the proper way to write Christian is with a capital "C". Learn some respect, as well as grammar.

Second, since my question was a specific request for specific evidence for a specific assertion from Blank, tell me why I should bother reading the rest of your comment, much less responding? Why should I bother, when you have no interest in addressing my question? Why did you bother responding at all?

Goodbye.

I can get away with blasting Christianity all I want, but for how much longer? With right-wing blowhards like Bachmann running for public office, and with the possibility they could very well win, I imagine things could become like some craphole ME nation quite easily. That doesn't seem to register here with you people, sadly.

For those commenting from the G.S.E.A.R.S. position, it is frequently necessary to conflate imagined events with actual ones.

Bravo, Alex!

I wholeheartedyly agree with number three.

mohammadans in America are not roaming the streets killing kaffirs, but they support groups who are indeed trying to implement changes in our Democratic Republic from within. For me that is even more dangerous than them running around beheading kaffirs.

Number four, I somewhat agree with but only if the diversity is not forced. If dogs and cats choose to live together peaceably, fine. But throwing them in the same room together and expecting them to get along is naive at best.

1 and 2 are no brainers, which of course, the far left doesn't understand.

"I see that the Victorious JWers have outlasted the trolls. Bravo!

Was there really ever any doubt? ;-)"

Nope.

Neither lefties nor crazed murderers will stop me from defending my culture from third world, bronze age ideologies of arab male racism and misogyny.

"Go on, try blasting Islam in Saudi Arabia. You won't because you know what will happen to you if you do. Blasting Christianity is as easy as falling off a log, because nothing will happen to you. It is time the likes of yourself disciovered what real intolerance is like, so off you go to Riyadh and try hawking Bibles or Torahs there. Just get an Israeli stamp on your passport and try getting into Saudi Arabia. You don't know the meaning of intolerance because you've never faced it first hand, and that is because you live in a Christian country and you abuse the freedoms and lifestyle it gives you. And we all know you would fight tooth and nail against anyone who tried to exile you to Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan."

Youve got his number and that of all the leftards and mohammadans living in the West.

They NEVER put their money where their big mouths are.

"I don't even know where you're pulling this garbage from about how I should catch a plane to Saudi Arabia or wherever so I can learn a lesson about how great America's supposed christian morality is. The only lesson to learn is what a country becomes if religion dominates."

Yeah, so? Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia as a kaffir and "lern what a country becomes if religion dominates"?

You're a typical tunnel-visioned, cowardly moral/cultural relativist who hates Christianity.

I have no religion, but I live in "Christian dominated" America and life is pretty damn good for me. I do as I please without fear. Well, within the law and the "Christian" laws prevent me from harming others and or myself.

It was not the same for mohammadan majority *ALLEGEDLY* secular Turkey.

So, are you really comparing "Christian dominated" West to mohammadan dominated countries?

Seriously?

You're even dumber or more dishonest than I first suspected.