The "Palestinians": 31 opportunities for statehood squandered in favor of genocide

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

31 flavors of *peace* but none of them taste good to the "Palestinians*.

Posturing & Pretense
Aggression
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Evasions
Supersession
Terror
Islamization &
Never-ending
Enmity

Posturing & Pretense
Aggression
Lies
Evasions
Supersession
Terror
Islamization &
Never-ending
Enmity

In my opinion, Israel's biggest mistake in handling the captured territories were to not give them back to Jordan immediately. Israel could have kept Jerusalem, and set the condition that any military presence by Jordanian troops in the west bank area, other than police actions, would trigger an attack. Jordan might not have agreed to the terms formally, but they know very well how to get along with Israel.

Jordan was a stable country whose king knew how to deal with Arafat and his ilk. Jordan might have joined hostilities against Israel in 1967, but would not have allowed the PLA or Hamas to launch attacks from its territory once the actual fighting ended. In fact, if Jordan had controlled the West Bank, there would have been no PLA or Hamas worthy of attention.

Arafat was a sociopathic, patholocally-lying, serial killer. If there were a hundred more negotiations in which Arafat was involved, there would be a hundred more incidents of treachery and sabotage of peace efforts. Israel made a fundamental mistake by negotiating with Arafat, rather than turning heaven and earth to bring Jordan back into the territories.

Arab leaders reject Israel’s peace offer, renew their promises of destruction and annihilation; and after a while they go to war again, and lose again, and Israel again offers peace. Repeat this process 31 times and you have the history of the Arab-Israel conflict in a nutshell.

Well, the so-called Arab 'Palestinians' are honest about one thing, and one thing only: They don't want peace.

Suffering seems to be the lot of these Arab Pals, so rather than build a productive society run by constitutional democratic principles, as have other societies, protecting the rights of the people, and working hard to make things work; they opt for warmongering dictatorship leaderships that keep the people perpetually oppressed with poverty, violence, self-imposed 'victimhood', collective hatred, rage against the Jews, suicidal imperatives, ignorance, and female oppressions; all this in true devotion to the dictates of a 7th century desert Arab warlord, Mohammad=Allah, and his theo-political 'teachings' scribbled into the Koran, which mostly sums up Islam.

Stand back and look at this: Arab 'Palestinians' repeatedly reject peace, democratic principles, constitutional law, human rights protections (all as 'man made laws'), so are unable to form a functional and peaceful productive society; but they accept Islamic principles (which in ideal form are Koranic Sharia), so suffering according to some primitive desert Arab's imperative to go and conquer in his name, to the impoverishment and social dislocations devoid of social justice, in order to destroy the Jews and their functioning, successful democratic society... What's wrong with this picture? Worse, what's wrong with the world to not call it, and put a stop to this unnecessary Arab self-imposed human suffering? It simply makes no sense.

But suffering is what Islam breeds. It is so evident in all the Islamic states, from Mali to Indonesia, that the people suffer. Even in so-called (almost) 'progressive' Islamic states like Malaysia, Turkey, Lebanon, AUE Dubai, (former) Tunisia, there are gross violations of human rights and Islamic attacks on principles of human equality and freedom of conscience, where due process of law is a whimsical thing, so suffering is embedded as well. It is much worse in the rest of the Islamic universe, where suffering is deeply embedded for the people: Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Yemen, Caucasus, the whole of North Africa, especially Sudan and Somalia, and then draconian Sharia in primitive, oil rich Saudi Arabia, where stonings and beheadings are a public pass-time. Never mind the Middle Eastern states like Jordan, Syria, where petty kingships rule with a draconian iron hand. That's what Islam produces, very few success stories, but much human suffering. And that is the world to which the Arab 'Palestinians' belong to. So they are meant to suffer. None can blame that on the Jews! Throwing the Jews out of Palestine (since no land grabbed by Arab conquerers can ever return to the 'infidels' per their Koran) will not change things for them one iota. All the 'peace' flotillas, humanitarian aid, humanistic (Christian based) sympathy, and mainstream hand wringing can never change the perpetual Islamic suffering reality. They do it all to themselves.

So what we get is this: "Arab leaders reject Israel’s peace offer, renew their promises of destruction and annihilation; and after a while they go to war again, and lose again, and Israel again offers peace. Repeat this process 31 times and you have the history of the Arab-Israel conflict in a nutshell." There is no way to change that reality, not unless they jettison Islam, as Turkey's Ataturk (almost) succeeded in doing. Otherwise, all you get for all your troubles trying to bring peace to the Middle East, or the rest of the Islamic world, is hatred, vengeance, poverty, famines, destruction, torture and death. So the people suffer. None can blame the Jews, nor the West for this. This suffering, exacerbated by their very high birth rates breeding more poverty, is what they have reaped from their Mohammad=Allah societal foundations. Throw in 'inshallah' fatalism, systemic corruption, slavish subservience, kat addiction, child 'suicide' bombings, 'honor' killings of women, and whipped up hatreds of all the 'others', and you have the perfect recipe for Allah-hell. The Arab-Israeli conflict pales as a small side show by comparison to the deeply embedded problems of the Islamic/Arab world. There is no 'road map to peace' that can ever save that. It's the Islam. Deep down, it's always Islam: war and more war, more poverty, more suffering, more cries for help and 'victimhood' while they lob missiles and suicide bombers at the non-Islamic 'other', especially Israel. You can't help those who will not help themselves, while they have their hand out. Suffering is what Islam is all about. Gaza and West Bank notwithstanding, they do it all to themselves... That is the sick reality of Islam, and even them recognizing Israel won't change it. This is beyond rescuing. Islam is dead.

A hard-hitting, no-holds barred book must be written, telling EVERYTHING about the heroic Zionists' struggle against their evil enemies. Including the evil role played by England, aiding jihad on the Jewish people and denying sanctuary in the Mandate - or anywhere - to the millions of the desperate Jewish civilians trying to flee from the Nazis. Millions who have tragically perished because England was obsessed with pleasing the Muslims. The unspeakable evil done unto the Jewish and Serb people by England and other Western democracies, including our USA, for that accursed goal of pleasing the Muslims. The evil.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Wow,what an article,it makes you sick to see how hatred of the Jews is responsible for so much violence by the Muslims.Now they say the 500,000 settlers in the West Bank are unjustified.I used to the same but now I think Israel has no choice.Read:

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/21/why-the-secular-israeli-government-has-supported-500000-jewish-settlers-in-the-occupied-area/

The name "Palestine" is the cognate of an ancient word meaning "Philistines" or "Land of the Philistines".
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People who couldn't organize themselves into a civilized state by the 20 century, and whose leaders are members of terrorist organizations would now like to "carve" thier country out of the guts of another organized, and democratic state?
Just out of curiosity, why can't they gain full citizenship status in countries like SA or Jordan?
A perfect example of hatred being stronger than reason...

When Gaza was surrended on GWB's dhimmi orders, Bill Gates spent $6,000,000 on a greehouse so that jobs would be saved. Sensible? Muslims looted it to the point of destruction. They would rather hold their bloody hands out of money-for-nothing rather than work. Muslims in Judea and Samaria also gave up jobs in Israel. Let's give up on them.

The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Abba Eban

So according to this article Palestine apparently never existed. What an amazing correction of history that has just taken place! All the Jews, Israelis, Zionists, Islam-haters, and Pam Geller can now rejoice! If it wasn't for the little fact that the entire world, except the Israeli govt of course, believes different.

And for all the uneducated, the word "phillistine" is the arabic word for Palestine. Oops! Currently referred to as "Ancient Palestine". Palestine was and still is wholly integrated in current academic studies including History, Theology, and Political Science. Not to mention stated in the Bible at least 3 times, the Torah, and Koran.

I'm amazed how u can make something so wrong sound so right. Keep up the good work Mr. Spencer!

The Philistines were not indigenous to the Levant. They were also known as 'Sea People' and are believed by archaeologists and historians to have been related to the Greeks; they came from over the sea and settled on part of the coast. They never ruled over or lived in the whole of the land of Canaan which is also called eretz Israel. And I don't think serious historians regard them as having any traceable living descendants today.

No 'Arab' Muslim inhabitant of the land of Israel who traces his or her ancestry to Bulgarian and Bosnian Slav converts to Islam - or Turks - resettled in Ottoman 'Palestine' after having been expelled from the Balkans by victorious non-Muslim freedom fighters, can possibly claim any sort of direct lineal descent from 'Philistines'...or from the Canaanites, for that matter. Nor can any Muslim whose ancestry is from Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt or North Africa - including the Berber parts of North Africa - who moved to 'Palestine' during the 18th and 19th and early 20th centuries, claim with a straight face to be *either* 'Philistine' *or* 'Canaanite'.

But Jews, no matter what part of the diaspora they come from, *can* prove that they are, genetically and linguistically, a Levantine Middle Eastern people. (The whole 'khazar' nonsense is, precisely, nonsense). Some, of course, never left eretz Israel at all; and there were always some Jews moving back there, whether from Christian lands or Muslim-controlled lands. A core group of Jews, within 'Christendom' and within Dar al Islam, never forgot who they were and never gave up their attachment to Jerusalem, Hebron, Bethlehem, Beersheba, and all the other places within eretz Israel.

Hugh Fitzgerald, on the whole business of 'the Palestinian people'.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/36458

Thursday, 14 July 2011
Fitzgerald: Identities Constructed Here

"The word "Palestinians" and the invention of the "Palestinian people" was a deliberate construct. It was not the term used, ever since there were Arabs in what Western Christendom called "Palestine."

'The phrase was never used by the local Arabs until after their defeat in the Six-Day War.

'And then, having jettisoned Shukairy a few years before, the Arabs collectively decided, with a little help from public-relations advisers in the West, Jimmy Carter among them, to thoroughly redo their presentation.

'The most important thing was to redefine the conflict. No longer are all those Arabs against a tiny Jewish state.

'No.

''Now, by an act of optical illusion, the tiny Jewish state would be transformed into a vast empire, this Greater Israel (why, the same BBC newscasters who routinely refer to Lebanon as that "tiny country" and to Jordan as that "tiny country" -- I hear it all the time -- for some reason never use that epithet with Israel. Never. Not once) which, even if it came into being, would be all of the size of Massachusetts, and less than one-one-thousandth the size of the Arab states...".

"But the absurdities pile up.

"It was time to rename the local Arabs, both those in the territories won by Israel that were part of the original Palestine Mandate (Gaza, the "West Bank" quondam Judea and Samaria), and those who had been called simply, and a bit too easily, "Arab refugees" -- by every single Arab spokesman at the U.N., the Arab League, and elsewhere -- living in those villages (always described as "refugee camps" though some are full-fledged cities, and all have stores and built-up areas; these are not tent cities -- the kind of thing that refugees in Darfur must endure) in Jordan, Lebanon, and so on...

'The term "Israeli" was not deliberately invented to score political points. Far from it. The Jews of Israel are really what is in play here, the survival of a Jewish state, of the right of the Jews to have a state.

'It is absurd to equate the deliberate and sinister creation of this fake "Palestinian identity" for political ends, with the simple term "Israeli" to describe those who are citizens of the state of Israel.

'So let's do it otherwise. Let's, more truthfully, talk about Arabs and Jews.

'Arabs and Jews in the Middle East.

'The Jews, who come from the Middle East, and a million of whom in 1948, having endured for centuries the life of dhimmis under Muslim rule (save in those places, such as North Africa, where the brief rule by European powers led to Jewish emancipation from the burden of living under Shari'a -- thanks in Algeria to the loi Cremieux of 1870) left, and most fled to the state of Israel.

'Do the Jews have a right to a state, a state that can be defended against permanent Muslim aggression, or do they not?

'And as for the local Arabs, whose numbers have been so exaggerated -- few bother to consult the Ottoman cadastral or demographic records, such as they are, in pronouncing on the subject of "Palestine" and fewer still put that "Palestine" and the non-Muslim and non-Arab minorities of the Middle East into their proper light, their proper perspective -- for the Kurds also, now is perhaps the time to add, have a right to an independent state, and Lebanon, by rights, should remain a haven, a final haven, for the Arabic-using Christians -- not all, by a long shot, are Arabs -- in the Middle East.

'So there it is.

'A Jewish state, permanently imperiled, and asked to voluntarily make itself still more imperiled.

'And the implacable relentless Arabs, using salami tactics, and their vast unearned wealth, to apply every kind of pressure to get the world's Infidels to join in the gang-up, and to push Israel back to clearly indefensible borders, without control of vital aquifers, without control of traditional invasion routes, eight miles wide at its waist, from Qalqilya to the sea.

'And this [Israel] is the one country, the only country, that the most persecuted tribe in human history, having recently been the victim of the most unbelievable crime in human history, that exists for that tribe to embody its national identity without any doubts or need to conform to what others would have.

'And on the other hand, there are the Arabs,

'who having denied or attempted to deny every non-Muslim and non-Arab people in North Africa and the Middle East -- Kurds and Berbers and now blacks in Darfur and Christian Copts and Maronites and Assyrians and Chaldeans and others -- their rights, in some cases their linguistic and cultural rights, in others their rights to control or profit from their own natural resources, in still other cases, to enjoy freedom from Arab political masters -- and those Arabs have denied these peoples the right to speak their own non-Arab languages (see the case of the Berbers), retain their own culture, have even mass-murdered them in the Sudan and Iraq, with the other Arabs looking on, openly or silently supporting them, and blocking all attempts to stop the murder.

'And those same Arabs, with their 22 states, have also been the beneficiaries of unmerited wealth, having nothing to do with their own efforts, their own industry or entrepreneurial flair.

'The rich Arabs and Muslims have received, for doing absolutely nothing, some ten trillion dollars since 1973 alone, and we all know the arms, and the luxurious palaces, and the call girls, and the yachts, and all the rest of it, that they have spent their money on, including the mosques and madrasas and Da'wa and propaganda on behalf of Islam -- through buying up journalists, creating academic centers, dangling possible contracts before greedy businessmen, and all the rest of it.

'The war in the Middle East is that between Arabs and Jews, not between “Israelis” and “Palestinians”.

'Long before there was an Israel, there were Jews living in Yemen, in Iraq, in Syria, in North Africa, in Iran (before expelled by the Muslims from the Jazirat al-Arab, they were even on the Arabian Peninsula; Hebrew lettering has been found on ruins in northwestern Saudi Arabia, Land of the Midianites).

'The appropriation of the term "Palestinian" -- as in "Palestinian people" -- and its deliberate promotion from adjective to noun (as in "the 'Palestinians'") -- was a deliberate and tendentious act of propaganda.'

'The term "Israeli" per contra, is nothing more than a description of "the citizens of a nation-state called Israel" (not all of whom, by the way, are Jews),

'and it would be far more accurate to describe the business in Annapolis, or Camp David, and the conflict itself, as being not between "Israeli" and "Palestinian" but between Arab and Jew,

'or still more accurately, between Believer and Infidel,

' for the source of the conflict is to be located in Islam, and the refusal in Islam to countenance an Infidel state or power, of any size, controlling land, of any amount, that was once ruled over by Muslims."

'If Israel happens to have been at the forefront of Arab Muslim efforts, that hardly means that the same claim is not made on Spain, Sicily, the Balkans, Greece, Bulgaria, Rumania, much of Hungary, almost all of India, and so on.

'Nor, of course, does the fact that places formerly part of Dar al-Islam are at the top of the Islamic To-Do List (Recover Lands), mean that the claim to the rest of the known world has disappeared, or would disappear, if the denizens of Dar al-Islam managed to recapture every inch of land once part of Dar al-Islam.

'No, they [the Muslims, of whom the Arab Muslims are traditionally 'the best of people' - dda] have bigger fish to fry -- the whole world.

'And surely at the SOAS there are books, if not courses, that will let you in on that not-exactly well-kept secret."...

'Read the U.N. records, the records of what every Arab said, threatening or cajoling, from 1948 or well before 1948, right up to the Six-Day War, and even for a short period beyond, and it is only then that, out of the blue, comes this phrase “the Palestinian people.”'.

A couple of other items that may be of interest to our newer posters and lurkers, who may not yet have encountered them.

First, from John Roy Carlson's classic "Cairo to Damascus", containing his first-hand observations of the I958 war during which the Jews of Israel successfully defended themselves against a massive onslaught from Arab Muslims bent on carrying out a full-scale jihad genocide (Carlson encountered one Arab Muslim who boasted to him, in Gaza, that the sea would be 'black' with the bodies of Jews, and another who openly declared his intention of slitting the throat of a Jew and **drinking the Jew's fresh blood**).

Carlson describes the so-called 'palestinian refugees'.

From the text proper, p.p 234-235 of the 1951 edition:
'Some fifty thousand Arabs had fled Jaffa'.

CARLSON'S NOTE: 
"This flight-psychosis, which prevailed among the Arabs and ultimately resulted in the frantic exodus of many Moslems and Christians, is a difficult phenomenon to explain. It was a mass hysteria induced by poor morale *and by fear of revenge and retributiion for the Arab massacres and lootings from 1920 on* {my emphasis added - dda}.

"Arab leaders - particularly in the Mufti's Higher Committee - urged residents to clear the fighting areas, promising them that Palestine would be cleared of Jews within thirty days after the Mandate ended.

"After the Jews had been pushed into the sea, Arab leaders said, Palestinians could return to their homes and at the same time share in Jewish booty. *They implied that those who refused to leave were pro-Zionist; such people were threatened with retribution.* {my emphasis added - dda}

"In contrast, I [Carlson] know of instances where the Jews begged the Arabs, particularly the Christian elements, to remain, guaranteeing their safety and full respect for property.

"These Christians, however, joined the fleeing Moslems, *fearing the promised retribution following the promised Arab victory* {my emphasis added - dda}.

"As an instance, the Armenians, who had always got along well with Arab and Jew alike, joined the panicky Moslems, *horror-stricken by the memory of the Turkish massacres* {my emphasis added - dda}.

"Wealthy merchants, physicians, bankers, politicians and other leaders were the first to leave. Later came the poorer elements until, by the time the Mandate expired, those remaining were largely only the ill and the aged, *the looters*, and the innocents.

"The exodus figure of 750 000 or more Arabs is sheer propaganda, a fictional number that cannot be supported by the facts. NOTA BENE - dda.

'The populace in the country from Jerusalem north to Jericho was not disturbed by the fighting, nor were the Arabs and Christians resident in the congested areas within the quadrangle formed by Ramallah, Tulkarm, Jenin, and Nablus - Palestinian territory [that is, 'territory formerly part of 'Palestine'] now annexed by Jordan.

"It must also be pointed out that many of the Moslem so-called refugees were homeless, nomadic wanderers in the first place.

*Poor, nonrefugee Arabs, such as those in Gaza {NOTA BENE - dda}, have claimed refugee status in order to qualify for American aid* {my emphasis added - dda}."

END QUOTE FROM CARLSON

Secondly, Martha Gellhorn's classic 1961 article from 'The Atlantic Monthly', entitled "The Arabs of Palestine", in which one will discover, among other things, that Gaza was compared to a 'prison' when occupied and ruled and run by...**Islamic Egypt**.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-arabs-of-palestine/4203/

Three other classic treatments of, or comments upon, the Jihad against the Jews.

1/

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/why_islam_will_never_accept_th.html

"Why Islam Will Never Accept the State of Israel"

By Steven Simpson, THE AMERICAN THINKER June 30 2010.

2/ Stephen Plaut's bleakly satirical "We Are Not Anti-Semites" which lays bare the real agenda of so many who side with 'the poor palestinians'.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=3CEC078B-97FB-40F6-9617-8447061C0998

"We Are Not Anti-Semites
By Steven Plaut
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, December 11, 2008

We have nothing against Jews as such.

We just hate Zionism and Zionists.

We think Israel does not have a right to exist.

But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such..." (and it goes on in that vein: if you haven't yet read it, click on the link and read it all, and then save a copy, to pass on to others).

And, thirdly, Larry Miller, on Israel, in November 2002.

http://www.jr.co.il/articles/politics/mideast.txt

I have been arguing for years with an Israeli friend of mine regarding what should be done concerning Palestine. I think the only answer is the No-State solution. This is what I emailed to my Israeli Friend early this year.

N O - S T A T E    S O L U T I O N

I’m beginning to think that the right solution to the problem is to relocate the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza into Jordan, and not give them a state at all. Instead they will become Jordanian citizens.

It would be interesting to see if the Palestinians would try the same shenanigans as they tried under King Hussein back in 1969, I suspect the current King of Jordan would dispose of that problem with the same alacrity that his father did. It would be interesting to see what the world opinion of the Palestinians would be at that point.

Now, Israel wouldn’t be allowed to ‘profit’ from this no-state solution, so the West Bank would become a no-man’s land under International law. It would be empty of any human habitation or occupation. Anyone found in that area would be subject to arrest or execution on the spot. That rule would apply to anyone, whether Israeli, Jordanian, Lebanese, Canadian etc. The West Bank would only exists as a buffer area to ensure Israel has secure borders, well, more secure borders than it has now .

The reason for making the West Bank a no-man’s land as opposed to Israel territory is to prevent any Israeli expansion into that territory. As Netanyahu himself pointed out to US President Obama, Israel must have defensible borders. If Israel expands its population into the West bank after the Palestinians move out, it will just create a new border that can’t be defended.

Gaza, on the other hand, would become de facto and de jure part of Israel. Those Palestinians who currently live in Gaza would be relocated in accordance with the no-state solution; but, Israel would be required to give fair compensation for property expropriated (same in West Bank).

Alternately, Israel, at its own discretion could allow the Gazan’s to remain and even become citizens of Israel.

There would be the proviso of course, that if any Gazan broke their oath of citizenship then that citizenship would be revoked AND the citizenship of the perpetrators immediate family and close relatives (cousins, aunts, uncles) would also be revoked. All affected family members would be removed to Jordan and all their property expropriated, this time with no compensation.

I think making the family or tribe accountable for the acts of its members might change things a bit. Now, the terrorist has to consider the fact that his decisions affect more than himself. He may get 72 virgins in Paradise but his entire family will be put into a living hell. Also, Palestinian-Israelis knowing of terrorists in their family group are more likely to report them than hide them.

I’m sure the above might be a tough sell, especially to Jordan who once before went through the nightmare of having the PLO within their midst. Even so, it seems to me that some carrot could be offered to Jordan for undertaking the risk.

The PLO and Hamas might have other ideas about the no-state solutions but ultimately, it will be the ‘every day’ Palestinians who decide the issue. They will have to vote on it.

If they are tired enough of the fighting and sacrifices they have made to the PLO ‘cause’ they may decide that being citizens of Jordan offers them more than the PLO or Hamas ever could.

This will especially be true if the International community promises to help the Palestinians by funding free good housing, free good education and decent jobs in Jordan.

Actually, improving Jordan’s economy by funding such endeavours might be the carrot to entice it to participate in the no-state solution. If Jordan was given the opportunity to become the Paris of the Middle East, as Lebanon once was, I think such a plan might sell.

PS.

In a later email to my friend I outlined economic incentives for Jordan that might make the carrot worth considering:

1) Help Jordan create several polytechnical institutions and Universities with an international standing. This would include associating these institutions with Harvard and Cal Tech and MIT etc. This would provide Jordan with available academics in the West for temporary teaching until Jordanian academics filled that role.

2)Poly-technical undergraduates of Jordan would be guaranteed at least one year as a fellow at one of the equivalent institutions in Israel or the US, Canada, etc. to expand their horizons and legitimize their academic credentials internationally.

3)Assistance with the establishment of Western-style manufacturing facilities in designated areas that would provide for trade with Western countries.

4)Assitance from Western Manufacturing experts in training the workforce and management force to ensure the new businesses would succeed.

So, Jordan would get quite a lot from such an arrangement. Even without oil it would have the potential to be an economic powerhouse and if trading with Israel can be effected, that may start changing the face in the Middle East.

The King of Jordan gains because he will have a population that gets educated and is happy because there is a real economy for it to use that education. Any tension between the population and the Royal government will be reduced over time.

In return, the Jordanian government would be responsible for the conduct of the new 'Jordanians' it took into its citizenry. This would mean if Hamas re-surged and tried to set up a missile attack site, Jordan would destroy that site along with the Hamas operatives operating it. Jordan would also agree to police the no-mans land between it an Israel, shooting anyone from its side entering that area.

So, the Palestinan problem goes where it belongs (to other Palestinians that we call Jordanians). At the same time there is peace, more security, real jobs, a much higher standard of living. The King of Jordan is secure and is the ruler of a kingdom that will be the envy of the rest of Islam.

This could strike a bigger blow against Islam than anything in its history. It would be ironic if stealth-Jihad was defeated by stealth-peace.

Hi everyone. I noticed some of you have been having some dealings with Real-Jew on 'things Palestinian'. I've been doing the same at another but older link

In case you are interested it's at:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/egypt-the-best-way-to-eliminate-someone-politically-is-to-accuse-him-of-having-ties-with-israel.html

I too took a shot at the Palestinian issue in case that argument is of any interest to anyone. I also had to deal with race and a few other things.

I do have a question for anyone that notices this posting.

When I was real young, a kid maybe, I saw a speech on television by Yasser Arafat and I think Abba Eban also presented a speech. It looked to be something before the UN. or a part of the UN.

The part that caught my attention was Yasser Arafat in his speech was talking about the Jews right to Israel and he said something to the effect "We are the Jews of the Bible" or maybe it was "We are the real Jews of the Bible.".

I have been hunting this down for the past couple of days because I wanted to see the exact context of this statement.

Why? Because I'm wondering if Real_Jew is a Palestinian but he is using that call name in whatever context Yasser Arafat was intending it.

I thought the quote might have come from Arafat's 1974 speech before the UN but came up blank.

Anyone here who has a good long term memory or a good knowledge of Arafat trivia that might be able to give me a clue as to what I might be remembering?