Why call it 'Pakistan'?

More on Sudan.

"Jihad In Sudan Redux"

Nubians in the frontline of Jihad threat.

http://bigpeace.com/jacobsgiller/2011/07/06/jihad-in-sudan-redux/

Well said and quite accurate that pakistan is stolen land and occupied by the enemy, along with every other piece of land stolen by muslims from non-muslims.

While many Indians lament the partition of India, in a way it was good because most of the more radical muslims ended up in Pakistan. Had they remained in India, they'd be voting themselves into power and they'd have the kind of situation that exists in Iran today.

The problem is that like the West, India is already run by anti-Indian leftists who are very pro-Islam. These traitors must be expelled from power and then Islam can be dealt with.

It is going to take America to fix the world, we need a strong anti-Islamic government. If only we could clone 536 Geert Wilders and replace all the members of Congress with them and one as president, the global problem of Islam could be solved.

Bravo! I honestly didn't realize that it has only been 63 years since the creation of that failed state. Thanks for the timely reminder. / Imagine the nerve of those British to create states. /sarc

How about calling it "Puke-istan?" Land of the Puke.

Yes! Yes! Yes! India (called Hindustan) existed long before pakistan even existed. All the muslims marauders came across India and looted the country. If one looks at kashmir, you would find a hindu-dominated land until the muslims came across the territory. Now, all pakistan...err, muslims..want is a seperate territory. You know what happens to the territory after it achieves its goal of independence? You guessed it. Hello pakistan!

Sorry Robert, I meant to say Muslim-dominated India. :)

Moorthy S. Muthuswamy, who co-authored Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War has an interesting lecture on why Pakistan lags behind India in its economic development, among other things, in these two vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-wuQTxdw8I

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1od2EnJEcYM

I think the creation of Pakistan was very much a British attempt to frustrate Indian nationalism and independence.The party that founded Pakistan was seen as more pro-Western then India and less likely to upset the old order and it shows in the level of corruption,poverty,and lack of functioning state institutions today. You can even say that Pakistan is a kind of mirror image of what India would have looked like if it had stayed a British colony and had not gained it's independence.Throughout the cold war the USA has also maintained Pakistan as a kind of buffer against India.Provided it with military equipment etc. Also together with Saudi Arabia they tried to Islamize the society because Islamism was seen as a bulwark against communism.It's a constant theme of history that the USA helped to establish vicious Islamist regimes and dictatorships in order to frustrate secular nationalism and communism.
Now one would think that after the fall of communism and 9/11 that policy would shift but it's still there to a very large degree.

Pakistan, including what is now Bangladesh, was created at the demand of the Moslems of the sub-continent, who could not bear to be a minority in a mostly-Hindu India. No doubt they remembered their treatment of the Hindus for the centuries before the arrival of the British, when almost all of the country was ruled by various Moslem emperors and kings, and expected retribution from the Hindus. The British would have preferred to create a single country, but the British financial situation was so desparate that they had to get out as soon as possible, and so accepted the partition. As it was, it was probably a good thing for India, since it removed the bulk of the Moslem population: were the three countries still united as a single India, it would be nearly 1/3 Moslem. Even so, many Moslems remain in India, like part of a malignant tumor that the surgeon missed: India is about 1/8 Moslem, and has the third-largest Moslem population in the world.
Incidentally, when the Moslem armies first raided India, in the 8th c. it was mostly Buddhist, not Hindu, and had been for centuries. It was Buddhist kings that defeated the first Moslem attacks. But there was a Hindu revival underway, and by the time the Moslem conquest began in earnest, ca. 1000 a.d., the country was again mostly Hindu.

According to Drudge, Obama's cutting back massively on our aid to Pakistan. Between this new development, the killing of Bin Ladin and the frequency of drone attacks, US Pakistani policy seems to be the ONE area where Obama has done better than his predecessor.

Muslim-occupied India. I love it.

Every Muslim in the Indian sub-continent is only a Muslim because one of his/her ancestors chose Islam rather than death.

Yes, I read in the book of Ian Morris; "Why the West rules, for now. Patterns of history and what they reveal about the future" that just prior to the advent of Islam in the Western civilizational bloc it was Christianity, in primarily the Roman empire and the barbaric kingdoms of the West, that was rapidly getting dominant and in the Eastern civilizational bloc, from Afghanistan through India and China and Japan, it was Buddhism that was very much in the ascendant. Zoroastrism in Persia was different of course, but it was also behaving like Christianity in a way.

Oh, why, oh why couldn't Christianity and Buddhism stayed the 2 dominant religions for a long, long time?! With Hinduism and Zoroastrism present and flourishing, sure, but without that wretched Islam. That would have been great, I thought.

A few years back i tried to tell a radio host what Pakistan meant in english, but they were so stupid and blind to taqqiyah that i was treated like i was going to make a racial slur like some islamophobe.

The Arabic is read from right to left, Stan in english does mean a Land or just land, "i" is like our word "of" , and "Pak" is equal to our "Pure" or unsoiled or untarnished.

Amazing how quickly I was censored for fear of a Muslim reporting the Station to the CRTC and risk losing their License or a fine. How sad that it's now the norm to assume Muslims are predisposed to violence and riots over any slight or perceived attack on islam, allah or Pedophile-Moe.

My Hindu ancestors were originally from Multan and Lahore (now in Pakistan - oops - muslim-occupied India). Thank God that my parents moved in India where I was born and then we came to Canada.

If we have remained in Multan and Lahore, there is no doubt in my mind that our family would have been forcibly converted to Islam or we would have perished during Partition in 1947. One of my relatives survived partition by pretending to be muslim and reciting from the koran. Muslims were chopping the balls off of hindu men and letting them bleed to death. Or maybe, I would be one of those muslim women living a life of hell under shariah law.Muslims killed 70-80 million hindus and wiped out thousands of years of Hindu achievements, science, culture and history or appropriated it as their own.

But, still, inspite of all of this, they are whining that they are the victims....

For all our newer readers, from the archives, something that Hugh Fitzgerald posted some years ago, on the subject of Pakistan.

It's a long posting, but well worth reading:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/blast-near-islamabads-red-mosque-kills-11.html#c428334

'I recently picked up at a book sale a copy of "The Miscellany," edited by P. Lal, and published in Calcutta. Issue #51 (June 1972), one of three devoted to the then recently-deceased, at age 41, of David McCutchion.

'An Englishman, David McCutchion was a lover of India, not of the william-dalrympish sort, that is the kind who loves the luxe of the Moghul court and its love intrigues, nor the kind of Englishman (also william-dalrympish) of the walking-across-half-a-continent-when-young sort, making use of local color of the human interest kind, often grizzled or wizened or wizenedly grizzled picturesque Muslims, to do the work for him (downmarket Byrons and Newbys, not to menton the now-unfashionable, because bookish, traveller Gide in "Le Retour du Tchad"), but a true scholar, an Indophile who studied brick temples in Bengal, and Indian writing, was a friend of Satyajit Ray and all sorts of interesting people in Calcutta who never get the attention in the West that all those anti-Western islamisant arundhati-roys manage to get.

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I read through The Miscellany #52 – and discovered a tribute from the Sanskrit (and Buddhism) scholar Richard Gombrich (son of E. H.), who opened his essay, titled “His Work Is Unrepeatable,” with this: “The recent death of Mr. David McCutchion in Calcutta at the age of 41 is a catastrophe for oriental studies.”

'Gombrich describes McCutchion as a scholar who “devoted all his time, his money, and his exceptional energy and enthusiasm, to the study of arts and monuments which are fast disappearing. He tramped all over Bengal, both West and East, taking notes and photographs; his knowledge of the countryside was famous.

"A self-taught photographer, he spared no pains to take the perfect shot; and he leaves well over ten thousand colour slides and as many black and white photographs of high professional quality…..

"His greatest specialities were Bengali temple architecture and terra-cotta sculpture, the latter a lost skill of whose monuments little is known to the wider world; he also studied and collected Bengali scroll paintings. He explored many other parts of India too, and recorded even Gupta temples previously unknown.”

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And a little more, taken from a website:


“David McCutchion (1930-1972), English-born scholar, Indophile and early critic of Raja Rao, was an authentic pioneer: in his short lifetime...made a major contribution to the study of Bengali temples...one of the first scholars to write on the now much commented subject of Indian Writing in English....

"Born in Coventry, David attended that city's King Henry VIII Grammar School. He made it to Cambridge University the hard way, on intellectual merit alone. He read Modern Languages (French and German) at Jesus College.

"After graduating in 1953, he taught English for two years in southern France. He went to India in 1957. He worked there first as an English teacher...and later, as Professor and then Reader in Comparative Literature at Jadavpur University, Calcutta....

"David's ground-breaking study of Bengali brick temples, The Temples of Bankura District, was published by Writers Workshop in 1972.”


"David McCutchion lived through the war made by West Pakistan (now Pakistan) on East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1970-71, a war in which Muslim fanatics in East Pakistan, locally called razakars, joined forces with the raping and murdering army of West Pakistan, accepting the argument that what was good for Pakistan – that is, staying one country – was necessarily good for Islam, and what was good for Islam was all that mattered.

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Here is how, in a letter from England to a friend, McCutchion described the behavior of Pakistan:


“…We are raising funds {for those in what was then East Pakistan being murdered by the army of West Pakistan and its local, fervently Muslim East Pakistani collaborators], and hope to see the Minister of Overseas Development.

"What do I think of it all? Appalling…Pakistan should never have existed – it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years.

"What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet?

"Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”

'One More Time:

"What do I think of it all? Appalling...Pakistan should never have existed -- it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years. What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet? Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan."

'Print out that last bit, and put it on your refrigerator, under the title: Pakistan.'

Posted by: Hugh at July 27, 2007 2:18 PM

New readers and posters here, who are not familiar with the subcontinent, if they wish a quick introduction to the subject of Islam and the ruin it wreaks in Pakistan, may do worse than read the chapters on 'Pakistan' in two books by V S Naipaul - 'Among the Believers' and 'Beyond Belief'. (He also bitingly describes the wretched fruits of increasingly-fervent and rapid Islamisation and sharia-isation in Iran, Malaysia and Indonesia).

In, 'Among the Believers' there is a chapter called "the disorder of the law".

Naipaul states, "Step by step, out of its Islamic striving, Pakistan had taken the rule of law that it had inherited from the British, and replaced it with nothing."

Another useful book is Dr Patrick Sookhdeo's account of the way in which those Christians who foolishly remained within Pakistan at Partition, have been and are being slowly and deliberately crushed by the Muslims. "A People Betrayed: The Impact of Islamization on the Christian Community in Pakistan".

I would bet my bottom dollar that the process of ever-worsening oppression, humiliation and degradation that he documents for Pakistani Christians, has been identical for those Hindus and Sikhs and Buddhists who did not flee Pakistan at Partition.

And, from a former (now sadly deceased) contributor to this forum, the archaeologist Necessitasnonhabetlegem, Dominic Tabrar-Synge), a devastating description of what Pakistani Muslims are doing to the relics of the pre-Islamic past.

IN THIS THREAD:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/02/pakistan-asks-eu-to-look-inwards-to-stop-radicalization.html

necessitasnonhabetlegem | February 11, 2007 12:51 AM

'The government of Pakistan actually controls very little of that country - most areas outside the capital are effectively self-governing and respond only to military pressure from the centre.

{Which, I suspect, was the case in all Islamic 'states' pretty much throughout the history of Islam...dda}

'Very little civilian authority remains, especially in the more remote areas, and sharia law predominates even in the larger towns.

'Pakistan is most certainly not safe for Western civilised people to visit.

'Furthermore, there is a widespread culture of bribery for everything from owning a vehicle to taking a taxi to shopping for necessities.

'In effect, law and order, as the average civilised Western person would understand those terms, has long since ceased to have any meaning; indeed, such meanings probably ceased to be relevant shortly after 1947.

{Now for the really harrowing bit - dda}

'A couple of years ago I was privileged to be allowed to join a study team looking into the rock carvings (petroglyphs) and inscriptions along the Karakorum Highway - part of the old 'Silk Road' network - which are, or, rather, were, some of the most historically important artifacts in Pakistan.

' I had read, naturally, the opinions of Professors Jettmar and Hauptmann (Heidelberg University) and also Professor A.H. Dani (Quaid-i-Azam University Islamabad, Pakistan) a most civilised moslem of the 'old school' so to speak) and I looked forward to a very civilised and enjoyable two months pottering about amongst some very interesting carvings.

'Well, I was never more mistaken in my life!

'The rock carvings are mainly, but not exclusively, in the area around the village of Chilas in the Diamir District and it cost the whole team almost two thousand pounds (three thousand US dollars) in bribes, and three weeks of time in Islamabad, to have our travel documents made good for the journey to Chilas.

'It cost us an additional one thousand five hundred pounds for the 'arrangement' of a military escort - an escort, incidentally, which was never provided; we were, instead, escorted, if that could be construed to be the correct word, by a group of what I can only describe as barbarian, gun-toting ruffians who had to be paid off in US dollars on a daily basis.

'When we finally got to Chilas - a nightmare journey which took three days - we had the added financial burden of having to pay a 'tax' to each and every mosk in the area in order to be allowed to stay there (this eventually came to over one-and-a-half thousand pounds) and various moslem clerics routinely searched our baggage for what they called 'illegal works' and 'the devil's machines' and which we came to realise meant Christian writings and anything that looked like having a purpose more than that of a simple camera.

'We had been told that there were some 45 sites on a stretch of the Indus of about 80 miles in length, and on both banks, with about 40,000 petroglyphs and 10,000 inscriptions in more than 15 writing systems and that the carvings were scraped, or chiseled in some cases, into the larger stones scattered about on the river banks and the lower flood banks of the river valley.

'Certainly there are at least that number of sites but at almost every site we visited systematic destruction of the carvings had obviously taken place.

'**At one site, a mere ten miles from Chilas, we witnessed for ourselves a group of locals, obviously under the directions of several clerics, systematically destroying the stones with large hammers, steel rods and sundry other tools.** {my emphasis - dda}

'When we attempted to remonstrate with these people we were physically attacked and our interpreter - a young man from Islamabad - told us that our attackers were telling us that they were deliberately destroying the works of the ungodly that the British put there so that they could come back and claim the place as their own again!

'No amount of reasoning and explanation seemed to get through to these people.

'Some three days later we did manage to convince one imam that these rocks were much older than the British colonial era

'and he turned to us and said, according to our translator, that ** if they (the rock inscriptions) were indeed as old as we claimed then they didn't matter and should be destroyed anyway for they obviously came from the mythical (his word) era before the coming of the prophet and so had no validity.** {my emphasis - dda}

'He added that because we were interested in them then they all had to be destroyed to save his people from the evil ways which we infidels brought with us.

'All of this, you understand, from a man who was counted amongst the folk of that area to be educated and knowledgeable!

'I'm not ashamed to admit that on the aeroplane home to London I wept - yes, really, I cried. Why?

'Because these damned barbarian moslems don't just want to rewrite the past, they want to destroy it also - they want to remove any evidence that anything is any different from that which they claim.

'They are doing it everywhere and all the time - robbing all of us of our past, cutting us off from our various identities, systematically destroying our sense of us.

'Even here, in civilised old Britain, I have encountered moslem youths who disrupt archaeological conferences, attempt to destroy archaeological sites, attack archaeologists and pervert knowledge in a desparate attempt to deny that the past ever contained anything other that islam..". END.