AFDI/SIOA 9/11 Freedom Rally: Stand Against Ground Zero Mosque and Durban III, Stand for America

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I will be travelling a great distance to attend this rally, as no distance is too far to go to stand for freedom and against tyranny, that which is Islam. I hope other Canadians will join me with our American brothers and sisters and other world-class freedom-fighters in support of the family members who lost loved ones in the worst terrorist attack ever on U.S. soil. If any of you attending see me in my "I Stand With Israel" t-shirt, please introduce yourself as I will be happy to meet likeminded patriots and lovers of freedom.

Long live Canada, the United States of America, Israel, and all other free countries the world over.

Ima

Folks, everybody:

Most of you probably know that I am enraged and frustrated. I am, and with good reasons: this country is on the wrong track, and has been for a long time. And now, it is on the brink of a Roman-Empire downfall. Bogged down in 2 atrociously costly hopeless wars, broke in the horrendous
$14.3 trillion debt that is without precedent in the entire world history, unable to pay its own way and living off the cash it keeps borrowing from China. Ironically, China now has a vested interest in the United States staying afloat, because it wants it to be there to pay back at least part of its debt. But China is increasingly nervous about the United States' solvency, and is seeking ways to extricate itself from keeping the US on life support. The current line-up of presidential candidates is a usual collection of no-goods. Whichever of them wins, the country will suffer even greater ruination. The sutiation is dire.
Folks, I have just sent the following e-mail to hero Rudy Giuliani, the only one who can save this country, just like he saved the New York City that was called "ungovernable" by everybody else under his 4 predecessors. My uncanny feel for people that never fails me tells me that Rudy is one of those great Italians who come at least once every century to be the best in the world at what they do, such as Leonardo da Vinci,Benvenutto Cellini, Antonio Stradivari, Niccolo Paganini and Enrico Fermi. He is our one and only savior. Please, everybody, send an e-mail to the Mayor Giuliani to info@giulianipartners.com and back me up on this:

Dear Mayor Giuliani:

I was one of the contributors to your 2008 presidential campaign. We met in Hunts Point, WA on Sep. 29, 2007. I was a short, stocky guy in a blue suit and with an accent.
Mayor, I have to confess: even as I was aiding your bid, I knew all along you will not make it through the primary. The Republican primaries crowd are all about anti-abortion Talibanism and prayer. You cannot compete in those events. The dumbest Dixie hick will out-Taliban and out-pray you. It is just not your kind of crowd. So, just break free from it and the Republican party.
Dear Mayor: all the polls show that the American people are ready for the third party, because the Ds and the Rs keep taking turns ruining this country. Which brings me to the point:
Please, Mayor, launch your own new party modeled on the Dutch Freedom Party led by Geert Wilders, a hero of Western civilization. May I suggest that you name it the Center Party. As the name implies, it will appeal to the sensible middle of the American people disillusioned with both the D's and R's who put saving this country ahead of the D's multiculturalism and the R's anti-abortionism. And if anyone can save it, it is you, just as you had saved the New York City after everybody else had given up on it. I believe in you, Mayor.
And please pick Paul Sperry, a true American hero, as your running mate. Bash both D and R as the failed parties they are, and pledge to lead America out of the swamp it is in.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions.

Very truly yours,

Ruslan Tokhchukov.

Please, please folks, let us stop venting and actually do something to make a difference. Everybody, even those who are not American citizens, please send an e-mail, just to get his attention. It does not have to be long. Just 1 line will do, such as: "Mayor Giuliani, please give a serious consideration to Mr. Tokhchukov's idea. We do need a third party". Please don't be lazy and send one, wether you agree with me or not on other things. This is not for me, this is for our country, and the entire Western civilization
You never know. This can lead to great things. It is a shame that we don't have a party like Geert's Freedom Party here in the United States. Are we not capable of at least following the Netherlands? But this will not happen if we just keep venting but not actually doing anything. If Rudy gets the Center Party going, I promise you all folks: I will quit being Enraged for good, and will turn positive toward this country. Please act now. Thank you all.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, Temporarily Not Enraged But Enthusiastic.

Who needs the official ceremony? Let's make the SIOA rally the place where patriots gather to remember that 9/11 was an act of war by devout Muslims against America.

While clergy and first responders are barred from the official ceremonies, both are welcome at the 9/11 Freedom Rally. And while White House guidelines forbid official 9/11 ceremonies from mentioning who attacked the U.S. on that day or why, the 9/11 Freedom Rally features more honest speakers.
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Both these strictures are *appalling*. Kudos to the Freedom Rally for allowing the truth to be told on both fronts.

More:

Free citizens are coming from all over the U.S. to attend the rally.
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And beyond, as well—as indicated by Ima Freeman, above. I'm sure there will be many more.

I fervently wish I could be there. I *will* be there, in spirit.

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AFDI and its Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) program are encouraging all Americans to stand against the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero and the anti-Semitic Durban III conference that will be held in New York City at the same time...
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Also appalling. Holding the Durban III conference in NYC is awful enough—to hold it during the 10th anniversary of 9/11 is especially grotesque.

President Bush was decent enough to boycott Durban II, after seen what a grotesque festival of virulent antisemitism the supposedly anti-racist original Durban conference was. Our ambassador walked out of that conference.

But what about now? Will Obama ignore this ugliness too–especially when it is held on our own soil? I wouldn't bet on it...

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The confirmed list of speakers includes Speakers include 9/11 family members, including Rosaleen Tallon, sister of hero firefighter and reservist in the United States Marine Corps, Sean Tallon, who was killed in the 9/11 attacks; Sally Regenhard, mother of hero firefighter Christian Regenhard, killed in the 9/11 attacks (Regenhard is an American activist who has become one of the leading voices for the families of the victims of the September); U. S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton; German MP René Stadtkewitz leader of Germany’s Freedom Party; Dr. Arieh Eldad, former candidate for Prime Minister of Israel, Member of the Knesset; Ezra Levant, TV anchor, newspaper columnist, author, founding publisher of the Western Standard magazine, the only Canadian media outlet to publish the Danish cartoons of Muhammad (livestreaming on SUN TV), Sudanese ex-slave and freedom fighter Simon Deng; the courageous ex-Muslim human rights activist Wafa Sultan; war hero and North Carolina Congressional candidate Ilario Pantano; popular radio host Joyce Kaufman; Helen Freedman, Americans for a Safe Israel; Darla Dawald, National Director of the Patriot Action Network; James Lafferty of the Virginia Anti-Sharia Taskforce (VAST); Coptic Christian activist Joseph Nassralla; Iraqi ex-Muslim Michael Paul; and others.
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**Wow**.

And the rest of the rally and the evening sound just as amazing.

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“Honor our war and stand for freedom and against the deception and lies being used to subdue us,” said AFDI Executive Director Pamela Geller. “We must show the jihadists we are unbowed in the defense of freedom.”
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Yes, indeed. Bravo!!

Remember and Never Forget ! http://goo.gl/RT7CG

That who attacked us and why cannot be mentioned is absolutely nuts. Not to mention shameful and pathetic.

9/11 occurred because Islam still exists. This is the long and the short of it. Assertions to the contrary are rooted in ignorance or mendacity.

I implore the organizers to secure access to a room in a building adjacent to the demonstration so that the crowd can be filmed from an adequate vantage point. This will prevent the MSM from once again under-counting the turnout.

Good idea, We need to show how many really showup for the freedom rally. I will be coming up from Philly. I was in the 2nd pen back from the stage. I think I'm gonna hang there again. Watching our six...if you will. Join me. I will have a name tag and sign making stuff...lol And the flag I bought there last year. I'm riding my MC up from Philly, if anybody else from my way wants to ride along.

It breaks my heart that I cannot be there. (No job=no money.)

To Mr. Spencer:

Last year's rally was effective to the extent that people who already agree with Mr. Spencer's point of view found that there were many others who had the same perspective. But we already knew that, since various polls have shown that 70% of the American population opposes the Ground Zero mosque. There is little evidence suggesting that last year's rally changed the minds of many people, or that it ignited a national discussion about the consequences of Islamic expansion, or even that it triggered some action that would effectively deter the Ground Zero mosque from being built.

I had predicted in advance that the strategy proposed for last year's rally, namely honoring the victims, shedding tears, and waving flags, would have little long-term consequence. This was based upon several factors. First, there were many nationally prominent people doing the same thing on that day (e.g. important government officials and various social groups), and they would get all the media attention as far as flag-waving and shedding tears goes. Second, the rally provided no significant drama (even the speech by Mr. Wilders seemed somewhat watered down from what I had expected), and the media will only cover such rallies if there is some drama to display on video. Third, as we all know the media is dishonest on the subject of Islam and actively attempts to downplay any honest criticism of Islamic expansion. Thus, they predictably underestimated the number of people who attended last year's rally.

In my judgment, one individual last year (namely the mustachioed pastor who threatened to burn the Koran) quickly got worldwide attention, and sparked much more discussion about what Islam actually is and the consequences of Islamic expansion, as compared to the thousands of participants at last year's rally promoted by Mr. Spencer. The mustachioed pastor did that by bringing out Islamic insanity as a consequence of a relatively trivial act (which actually was not even carried out by him until much later). Another individual who actually burned the Koran in New York last year on September 11 was fired from his government job. Both of these courageous individuals received a lot of FREE SUPPORT from a large number of people, including attorneys, even though the supporters may not themselves have wanted to engage in Koran-burning.

I raise these points to support my main conclusion, which is the following: TO OVERCOME THE NEXT HURDLE IN REDUCING ISLAMIC EXPANSION IN THE UNITED STATES, THE MOST EFFECTIVE STRATEGY IS TO BRING ISLAMIC INSANITY IN THE UNITED STATES TO THE FOREFRONT OF AMERICAN CONSCIOUSNESS AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. As a general matter, Americans are so conditioned to thinking thoughts such as everybody is a nice guy, all the religions should be equally respected, someone's religion should not be criticized, a religion is a matter of personal faith so Islam could not possibly have a political ideology, nothing intensely foul could happen in a country such as the United States, etc. etc. Because of such programming of the American mind, which begins in elementary school classrooms, Americans will take no effective action to oppose Islamic expansion until Islamic insanity IN THE UNITED STATES becomes so overwhelming that it cannot be ignored. (Americans pay little attention to Islamic insanity, or even other important events, elsewhere in the world.) Unless people who oppose Islamic expansion make active efforts to bring out Islamic insanity, that insanity will not spontaneously manifest itself at a large scale until there is a much higher percentage of Muslims in the United States, or until there is some major international incident. (Obviously, even the September 11 terrorist attacks were insufficient to trigger effective action by the American population to oppose Islamic expansion.) For this reason, stealth jihad and creeping sharia will continue in the United States unabated unless something effective is done.

I believe that the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks is a good opportunity to trigger some national debate on Islam, and possibly to initiate some effective actions against Islamic expansion. Waving flags and shedding tears alone will not do the job, even if accompanied by speeches. (The media uses sound bites, and they are likely to play only those parts of the speeches that serve the biases of the media.) I suggest a strategy, which I believe has never been done before in world history (Mr. Spencer should correct me with the facts if I am wrong), of CONFRONTING THE PUBLIC AND MEDIA WITH THE DEVASTATING FACTS ABOUT ISLAM IN A MANNER THAT THEY CANNOT AVOID.

I think the best way to do this is by using gigantic (e.g. 6 feet x 20 feet) signs containing the devastating facts. These signs can be made inexpensively (e.g. painted on bedsheets or large poster boards fastened together), and they may need two or more people to carry them, possibly mounted on large poles or wooden sticks. Below is the analysis that I posted last year regarding this strategy. (I believe that if my analysis had not been ignored, last year's rally would have been much more consequential.)

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THE REMAINDER OF THESE COMMENTS ARE FOR THOSE READERS WHO FEEL AN URGE TO SPEAK AND WHO WANT THEIR VOICES TO BE HEARD ALSO.

I THINK THAT THE BEST WAY TO HONOR THE 3000 PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED THAT DAY IS TO PUBLICLY IDENTIFY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHO THEIR REAL KILLER WAS. See if you agree with me on this. I say the 19 hijackers were merely hired hit men. I SAY THAT THE REAL KILLER WAS THE PROPHET OF ISLAM. That prophet made an offer of eternal paradise, limitless pleasure, and glory to people who would kill the unbelievers for the sake of Allah. His offer has been in place for 14 centuries. The hijackers merely accepted his offer. It was a contract killing on a massive scale, and not really much more. (I think that the hijackers have found out that they got cheated in that contract.)

If this point of view makes sense to you, or if you have other thoughts you want to express, I am offering the following suggestions for your consideration as to how to make your speech the most effective.

BENEFITS OF SIGNS AND BANNERS

If a lot of people appear at the rally, wave flags, and express sympathy for the victims, that will merely demonstrate that the organizers are able to assemble some sizable gathering. The number of people who actually appear will depend upon the weather, how many have been notified, and how easy it is for them to attend. After it is over, they will be labeled as flag-waving right wingers who are trying to capitalize upon the natural sympathy evoked by the victims of the terrorist attacks. There will be minor arguments about the estimate of how many people attended. The media will trot out Muslims who suffered in the same terrorist attacks, as well as families of the victims who are now supporting the Ground Zero mosque as a gesture of forgiveness. Muslims and mosque supporters, if they are determined to do so, will organize a counter-rally at some point which will probably have a larger number of people present. The whole affair will be seen as a competition for sympathy, and the net result will likely be no change in anybody's behavior or decision-making. Since 70% of the population is already against the mosque, if a very large number of people don't show up then the media will conclude that people do not feel strongly on this issue.

Moreover, if you were interested in having your voice heard, your voice will be limited to one tiny flag waving in a sea of several thousand.

Some people who attend such a rally try to have their voice heard by shouting slogans in a large group. While that approach may make you feel good because you have a lot of people on your side, to the media you will look like someone who is driven more by the emotion of a crowd rather than by knowledge and clear thinking. Also, Mr. Spencer's point would come into play -- namely that shouting slogans might appear to be inappropriate following a solemn ceremony. The slogans would only be heard for a short time, and the people shouting them would develop hoarse voices. There would undoubtedly be counter-demonstrators shouting opposing slogans.

People who use signs and banners will have substantial advantages. They will be communicating an idea that the media will not be able to ignore. It will be nearly impossible to distort that idea by selective editing or an inaccurate quotation. The communication will be quiet and will not interfere with the solemnity of the occasion. (You may want to not display your banner during the memorial itslef.) Furthermore, the idea will be communicated for hours as long as the sign or banner is on display.

It is possible to make gigantic banners by stitching together bedsheets and painting your message on the banner. The banners can be suspended from windows in nearby buildings, or they may be held up by walking sticks. (You might want to check with the NYPD regarding what types of poles they will not allow, but I doubt they would seize walking sticks. I don't know whether there are any laws or regulations pertaining to suspending banners from buildings.) If the NYPD were to take some action inhibiting your ability to express yourself, which I very much doubt that they would do, you would have a very strong case for violation of your First Amendment rights. In that situation, there would be lots of lawyers willing to represent you for free and you would become a national symbol for free speech. The bigger the banner is, the more likely that cameras will focus on it. Remember that a large number of the media representatives from around the world will probably be covering the event.

MAKING AN EFFECTIVE MESSAGE

If you decide to use a sign or banner, the first question that comes up is what your message should be. Some people think that strongly worded, emotionally charged messages such as "Mohammed was a pig!" or "Islam is like Naziism!" or "Send the Muslims back home!" are the most effective. But remember that your message is going to a wide audience, most of whom may not know much about Islam, and many of whom may be relatively neutral on the subject. They will have a very hard time understanding what rational basis, if any, you have for your message if it is of this type. You will be seen as an irrational hate monger if you use such a message, and it will actually work against your goal of opposing the mosque. You will be labeled as somebody who suffers from Islamophobia in that situation.

Many people who are formulating a message don't think about the difference between facts and conclusions. If your message consists of a conclusion, then you leave the viewer wondering about what the basis of your conclusion is and whether you are biased. You essentially deprive the viewer of the privilege of making up his or her own mind about the situation. You also do not communicate any useful information, other than the fact that you have come to a particular conclusion. Conclusions by themselves, even if they come from very influential people, are not very effective. They only have some influence upon people with a sheep-like mentality who have already decided that they will go along with whatever the influential person is saying. Most politicians speak in conclusions with relatively little facts behind them.

A powerful fact, on the other hand, is much more effective. It forces the viewer to draw his or her own conclusion based in part upon the fact that has been expressed. If the viewer refuses to accept the fact, he weakens his own position and appears to be dishonest or closed-minded. The person expressing a powerful fact always gets the upper hand.

I have been following the debate about the Ground Zero mosque, and it seems that the people involved have not understood this principle. I have not seen even one article in the mainstream media nor even one public presentation by any person in which the powerful facts relevant to this debate have been expressed.

As far as I am concerned, as soon as I am told that a mosque is being planned so close to Ground Zero, the most powerful facts have to do with the character of the prophet and the holy book that will be glorified in that mosque.

If you agree with this thinking, you might want to decide for yourself what you believe to be the most important single fact about Islam that should be known to the public. I have thought hard about this question, and in my opinion the most important fact is that the prophet of Islam beheaded over 600 captive Jews and saw their heads fall into trenches that had been dug for this purpose. (The fact that they were captive means that they posed little threat, and the fact that trenches were dug means that the prophet of Islam may have been one of the first major historical figures to make an industrial activity out of killing people.) I think this historical fact is so important that no person in the world should be considered reasonably well educated if he or she does not know this fact. (I thank Mr. Spencer for making this fact widely accessible in Western countries.) This fact goes a long way to explaining why the 19 hijackers attacked on September 11, and why every person who says that the prophet of Islam is a divine messenger in fact directly or indirectly supports violence against unbelievers.

Now I submit that any institution that glorifies such a prophet has no rightful place anywhere near where 3000 people were murdered, and especially if they were murdered in the name of that prophet. What can any reasonable person think in the face of this fact? How can Mr. Bloomberg support a mosque that will necessarily glorify such a prophet? How can Jon Stewart make jokes about people who oppose the mosque if he is forced to confront this fact? Why has this fact never entered the public discussion about the Ground Zero mosque?

If you believe that this fact should be known to the public, you can make a large banner that says "THE PROPHET OF ISLAM BEHEADED 600 CAPTIVE JEWS AS THEIR HEADS FELL INTO TRENCHES!" In small print below this fact, you can give the source which is the Sirah Rasul Allah (the biography of the prophet of Islam).

Here are some additional facts that you might want to put into banners, along with their sources:

Koran 9:5. Allah ordered Muslims to kill the unbelievers wherever they find them.

Koran 8:39. Allah ordered Muslims to fight the unbelievers until the religion in the entire world is for Allah alone.

Koran 8:12. Allah revealed to the angels: I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Koran 9:33. Allah has sent the prophet Mohammed to make Islam superior over all religions even though the disbelievers hate it.

There are about 150 other verses in the Koran that support violence against the unbelievers.

Sahih Al-Bukhari is universally recognized in the Islamic world as accurately describing the deeds of the prophet of Islam. Here are some of theose deeds:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88: The prophet of Islam married Aisha while she was six years old and started having sex with her while she was nine years old.

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: The prophet of Islam said, "If someone changes from his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Here is another interesting and important fact from June 2007:
2000 highly respected Islamic scholars and clerics of the Pakistani Ulema Council gave their highest honor to Osama Bin Laden.

There are many other similar facts to choose from, which you can find on this web site (JihadWatch) or on other web sites such as TheReligionOfPeace.com.

I don't think the television cameras will be able to avoid such banners. If you have a large banner with such a message, there is a fairly good chance that some reporter will want to interview you. So it will be important to make sure you are knowledgeable about the source of the fact in your banner.

If you want to have some fun with the media, and you don't mind spending a little extra money, you can carry such a banner with a factual quotation while wearing a burqa. (Make sure that bushy eyebrows and hairy arms are not showing if you are male.) The politically correct spineless mainstream media will be very afraid to criticize the fact that is expressed in your banner, since you will appear to be a devout Muslim. Nobody will be able to accuse you of being an Islamophobe. Meanwhile, members of the general public will get an accurate idea of what Islam truly is.

WHY THE RIGHT TIME IS NOW

I think that there is a very short time window for having a public discussion of the facts about Islam, and this rally may be one of the last important opportunities. Here is my reasoning.

In Europe, because of political correctness and the large influx of Muslims, it is now practically impossible to have a rational public discussion of the key facts about Islam. Mr. Wilders was on trial for doing nothing more than making an accurate movie about Islam. In the United States, I have found that practically on a daily basis there is some article in the mainstream media about so-called "Islamophobia" and about how Muslims are allegedly being victimized. This includes all major newspapers such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, USA Today, as well as the major networks such as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. They are all taking the position that they must allegedly "educate" the public about tolerance, religious freedom, and the prevention of bigotry. They are refusing to publish any article in which the facts and the points of view of people who oppose the mosque are discussed in a rational fashion. (I have actually tested this with the New York Times for example. To show that they are open-minded, they will publish comments containing opinions and conclusions from people who oppose the mosque. But when a comment contains devastating facts about Islam, they will almost invariably censor that comment.)

I think that the reality is that the mainstream media is suffering from "Factophobia" about Islam, which they refuse to admit.

On top of the labels of "Islamophobia" and "bigotry" that are being applied, pressure is mounting from the government and military to not criticize Islam. Their arguments are that criticism of Islam in the United States makes it easier for terrorist organizations to recruit members (I doubt that is true), and that it makes it harder for American soldiers to operate in Muslim countries (which is likely true to some extent).

The one thing that practically nobody talks about in full detail is the looming nuclear weapon threat from Iran. People are willing to admit that Iran is not too far away from developing a nuclear weapon, practically everybody argues against an attack on Iran, but nobody talks about the consequences when Iran has a nuclear weapon. What will happen almost certainly (and will be facilitated by the likely slow disintegration of Iraq as American forces decrease military activity) is that Iran will engage in more provocative and threatening rhetoric against the United States after it has a nuclear weapon. Right now, if a nuclear weapon is smuggled into the United States and detonated, we can be almost 100% certain that it was the work of rogue officers in the Pakistani military. This reality keeps Pakistani weapons under control. After Iran gets a bomb, and after Iranians begin making threatening comments, if a nuclear weapon is smuggled into the United States and detonated it will be very difficult to determine quickly whether it was Pakistani or Iranian. (The problem will be much worse if three Islamic countries have the bomb.) The US military will be morally paralyzed because it will not know who to retaliate against.

Because of the likely vociferous Iranian threat, and because of the irrational (and practically suicidal) state of mind of many military and government people in the Islamic countries, Americans will be under great pressure from the media and from government officials to avoid criticizing Islam for fear of provoking attack by a smuggled nuclear weapon or a smuggled dirty bomb.

Regarding the Ground Zero mosque, if there is not sufficiently effective opposition, the mosque supporters may actually be starting their construction work very soon. By that time, it may be too late to prevent the mosque from being built.

All of this means that we have a very short time window in which to have a thorough public discussion about what Islam actually is. And I very much doubt that within the next year it will be possible to organize another large rally regarding the Ground Zero mosque, given that commemoration of September 11 is one of the important factors contributing to this rally.

Finally, to my knowledge there has never been a public demonstration recorded on camera in human history in which the basic facts of the incitement to violence in Islamic religious doctrine were on public display in the form of large banners. (Mr. Spencer can correct me if I am wrong.) Those of you who choose to make your voices heard may be doing something that has never been done before. To all such people, I say:

Make some history on September 11, 2011.

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(I think this analysis is important enough that in the interests of free speech Mr. Spencer should put it on the main page of JihadWatch, even if he disagrees with it. The number of readers of the comments section is relatively small. Others may agree with my analysis, and it may prompt them into some effective action. I am hoping that we do not have another repeat of last year's rally, which was largely ineffective and overshadowed by the mustachioed pastor.)

Ugh. I'm afraid of what this rally will end up looking like. Just keep your protesters from doing anything stupid, Robert. If any of them get violent or something like that, it'll only undermine your cause.

I want to emphasize that I am not suggesting violence of any nature. THE PEOPLE EXPOSING THE DEVASTATING FACTS ABOUT ISLAM MUST REMAIN NON-VIOLENT EVEN IF PROVOKED BY ISLAM SUPPORTERS. Others should videotape the whole thing so it is clear who is doing the assaulting.

At the end of his talk at the last rally Steve Malzberg left us with a hint about why the mosque refuesed to leave though they recievd multiple extremely profitable offers to do so.

Here is a video showing what Mr. Malzberg. Might have meant.

Chapter 51 of the Koran has a passage about airborn jihad and the destruciton of non muslim nations. Propogandists might say that the chapter is about something else as there is other subject matter in the chapter. HOWEVER here's the kicker: The title of chapter 51 is THE WINNOWING WIND. There might be other subject matter in the chapter but it's meaning is in its title.

It has passages such as

"We sent the fatal wind against them"

"They saw the fireball and (variously translated - I double checked the claim myself in 4 translations) could not move / could not defend themselves / could not respond / could not get revenge".

"there was nothing left but dust"

Brother Rauf claims to be an Imam. Such people know everything there is to know about the Koran. He knew what was in chapter 51 before he chose the name and has not changed the name in a year.

This absolutely is The Jihad Mosque.

I don't think it will house munitions but it will be used as a headquarters for the Ikhwan's military grade subversion campagns.

Here is the short video about the passages in chapter 51, The Winnowing Wind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rxiB3i6FSs

This is a responce to R.C. but other people should read it as well.

Last years rally was completely peacefull and you know it.

The only incident that marred the event was a theatrical display put on by the astroturfers who had been employed by the Cordobists.

In one video on youtube we saw an african american man, dressed so as to be as visible as possible, being shouted down by 4 young women.

He had been shoving his way thru the crowd back and forth crossing and recrossing the street repeatedly. Shoving his way thru the crowd over and over and over again. Did he really need to cross that one section of the street so often? Of course not.

He said his hat was not a muslim hat. There are countless photos of muslim men all over the muslim world wearing just that style of hat.

The age of the 4 young women shouting him down was 10 years younger than the age of the other attendies of the event. But not 10 years younger than the average age of the attendees of the pro mosque event.

Those young women were shouting someone down. The behavior of shouting people down cannot be seen ANYWHERE else in videos of anti mosque supporters or anti jihadists.

Shouting people down can be seen in videos of LEFT WING COUNTER RALLIES TO anti jihadists. It is ONLY left wing astroturfers who do it.

Those 4 skanks were really working for the pro mosque astroturfers.

That man told an interviewer he worked at ground zero. But guess what. He don't work at ground zero. He was lying.

To Arthur: Perhaps you should start your own blog or website. That was a REALLY long post!

To: Truthiocity - Park/Chapter 51 might not be used to house munitions, but while building it, they might smuggle in a nuclear weapon and hide it there for use later. (Far-fetched I know, but possible)

And, I have re-written my little poem, which I shall post for the last time.

Remember, remember 11 September
The jihadists, towers and planes
Muslims cheering and milling
while watching the killing
Our people dying in flames

-W.D.

I'd like to respond to several of the posters here, but first I'll put in my two cents :

I feel sickened,because no matter how great our rally is the only way it's REALLY going to be effective is if it gets shown on the media. All types of media- otherwise we may as well be silent . I do not mean to be pessimstic but what I'm saying should be considered.

Think about it : even the people who joined the commemoraters and showed their approval of the super-mosque wouldn't be much more than perhaps a few words if the media hadn't captured it and got citizens excited and feeling more proud about America.

I'm not saying last year's effort was a failure, but it would have been so much more worthwhile if the media hadn't blacked it out. And that's exactly what happened ! I saw only a passing glance caught on camera and presented on the television. My newspaper did'nt mention one word about protesters. Of course I did'nt expect much more of them because they are a biased disgrace in favor of liberals. Neither was there anything in the magazines. The commemeration was covered but there was little or nothing said about protesters.

Anyhow : the question is, it seems to me, how do we get more attention ? We could walk on our hands , ride on elephants or have fireworks, but if the people beyond that area don't see it what difference does it make ? The media, as most of us know ,is a shameful leftist operation including magazines like "Newsweek" and papers like the New York Times.

Anybody have any ideas ?

To ENRAGEDSINCE1999 :

First let me say that I appreciate your efforts and believe we need more passion like yours,I think Giuliani , while he is a man to be admired , is pretty much retired from politics.

He is a good leader and understands leadership ( my conclusion after reading his book )but many people now seemed to have lost faith in him. That's because the public is fickle and they get itchy over his personal life, which they find somehow makes him a questionable character. Whether that is fair or not that's how it is, but I really don't think the voters will be enthused about him.

I do agree, however, that we certainly do need a party like Geert Wilders Freedom Party, but remember how much s--t he has had to take from stick-in-the-mud politically correct politicians and individuals who are suspicious of anything new. Wilders is one of those guys whom the public either loves or hates . ( I myself think he is a one in a million trailblazer ; a burner of old trash, sts- even when he's wrong he's fearless.) But we do need a Freedom Party !

I thank you for your contribution here and keep up the fight.

To ARTHUR : WOW ! I'm impressed-I can see youv'e done a lot of thinking and are really into the whole "crusade" . That is so, so good! Are you an assistant in this rally ?

You are right about the media, and if you have read my first chapter here you will know what I mean. Just let me add : you can't undersestimate the value of the media's attention . I might go as far as to say it's got so much power it's almost everything . Human beings are funny- they get engrossed in an issue, group, or individual not because those things deserve that fanfare and reverance, but just because it's exciting or famous or trendy. Stupid but true, and the max-media can cause all this.

About what you say about discussion on Islam : that's one of the great hurdles America never got over . Even in all those ten years there has been little improvement there. The taboo the liberalization of America has imposed on all of us is horrible and even destructive. The fact that talk about Islam , terrorists, or politics will be ommitted at the pro-mosque speeches is an example of what I mean. It's a real shame, because Islam itself is at the roots of this tragedy. To me, it is very depressing.

We must thank Pamela and Robert for their undaunted attention to the subject and unflappable spirit, btw . They do so well it's almost unbelievable.

I am going to try to be there even though it won't be easy.

My thanks to Prophet for his support of my ideas. Now if we can only get Spencer and Geller to see the light of day on this issue.

Jihad and radical islam is the problem and treat to USA and Human race.
All Muslim should
be responsible to destroy and eliminate this radical islam if not we should place a heavy fines for each loss, life or property to human race against Islamic nations and islamic

institutions. .

WE need these laws and claims of loss to islamic institutions. or this will never end and this beautiful world created by our for fathers will not be their for our grandchildren.

We need to curb their immigrations of islamic believers in free world as we have no freedom in their country soon they will take over our land by terror . Its better to be away and keep

they away.

We should make all muslim responsible for this radical islam terror and heavy fines should be imposed on islamic nations and muslim institution for human and property loss due to the radical islam.