Geller: Rick Perry, the stealth jihad candidate

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In "Perry's Problematic Pals" in the American Thinker today, Pamela Geller exposes yet another candidate who is complicit, wittingly or unwittingly, with stealth jihadist, pro-Sharia forces. Perry, and the other candidates, need to read Geller's Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance. Here is an excerpt of her Perry expose:

But Perry has been sucked into the propaganda vortex, and is now wielding his enormous power to influence changes in the schoolrooms and in the curricula to reflect a sharia compliant version of Islam. He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins. Perry has concluded at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and the Ismailis, including a comprehensive program to feed children in Texas public schools and taqiyya nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace. Another agreement stipulates that Texas officials will work with the Ismailis in the "fields of education, health sciences, natural disaster preparedness and recovery, culture and the environment." Perry let on that this was all about whitewashing Islam's bloody historical and modern-day record: "traditional Western education speaks little of the influence of Muslim scientists, scholars, throughout history, and for that matter the cultural treasures that stand today in testament to their wisdom."

It gets worse. Last March, Perry gave a speech in Dallas in the company of Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. Norquist was close to George W. Bush, and Perry's anti-tax, anti-Big Government rhetoric sounds like it's right out of Norquist's playbook. But there is a dark side to Norquist as well: Norquist's ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes -- who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005 -- are very active in "Muslim outreach." Six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an exposé explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 -- to show how Muslims rejected terrorism.

The only problem was that the ones with Bush didn't. To Bush's left sat Dr. Yahya Basha, president of the American Muslim Council, an organization whose leaders have repeatedly called Hamas "freedom fighters." Also in attendance was Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who on the afternoon of September 11 told a Los Angeles public radio audience that "we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list." And sitting right next to President Bush was Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Hamas-linked Islamic Society of North America, who once told a Muslim crowd chanting pro-Hezbollah slogans that "America has to learn if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come."

There is much more. Read it all.

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It is important to bring this stuff out, lest we nominate another George W. Bush; if that is what Rick Perry is.

Pamela Geller wrote: "He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis..."

When I sent this out to one of our political discussion groups a week or so back, a friend in Israel (who is active in Root & Branch, an interfaith organization) pointed out, Ismailis are a wholly peaceful (persecuted) sect of Islam. I would like to know more about this sect.

Geller (Norquist is the red flag): "It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office of an incurious president after the worst attack ever on American soil...."

"Incurious" is far too generous. I would say traitorous. For anyone who is interested in George W. Bush - his and his father's intimate financial dealings with our enemies - Bush was very compromised. That is putting it mildly.

Cain is crossed off the list...and now, so is Perry...The search for a real leader continues.

Sigh...this is very discouraging news. As of yesterday Perry is officially running for president, and by initial accounts will be a very strong contender for the GOP nomination, most likely duking it out with Mitt Romney.

Thank you, Pamela, for this enlightening bit of news about Perry's background of questionable dealings with Grover Norquist. One can be sure that the courting of Perry by pro-Islam lobbyists will now begin in earnest.

Perry has recently been castigated by the Left for involving himself in a (Christian) prayer service. One would like to think this indicates where his heart lies, but given that about half of the Christian denominations these days have gone multicultural and ceased to be Christian, one cannot be sure this is a reliable indicator of anything. It could be nothing more than a politician's pandering to his base. Indeed, when I listen to him I hear a politician speaking, mouthing general platitudes fashioned by speech writers more concerned with verbal form than substance, and delivered in golden tones (well, at least to the extent that anyone with a Texas accent as heavy as Perry's is able to do so).

The Evangelicals need to speak up, nay, make a very loud racket, and force Perry to declare himself firmly and unequivocally as being for God and the Constitution. No mush-mouthed contextualizing, no bin-Obamaesque bullsh*t exaggerations about the contributions made by Muslims to the history of the U.S., unequivocal support for Israel and condemnation of its enemies.

For our part, someone needs to undertake a thorough investigation, and soon, to look for any financial irregularities that may exist between Perry and the MB and its surrogates in the U.S., especially in terms of campaign contributions. If anything suspicious turns up, traced back to the source and exposed. And time's awasting. Filing for presidential candidates is in November.

What I found odd about Perry was that Texas had the best record for Accessible Businesses and Tourism of all the 48 contiguous States and since I had a few Inventions related to ECO-Accesible application , I emailed his ADA dept. for building some items there because I designed them as modular to employ Disabled persons or recent Vets for therapy to re-adjust to being home.
The person responded that they were leaving and gave the new email, I re-sent it but the person never got back to me. One of my items can be used in Hotels, Offices,Motels,and Cruise ships since Texas has about 13 shipping ports where 9 are Truck and Rail linked.

Never heard back and I really thought there might be an abandoned Auto Plant to covert because I also included some parts to be spot-welded in a jig similar to the car Unibody cage.
Maybe I just don't get it, but creating jobs and employing vets while assuring Texas to retain the Accessible Status for the USA should be something Perry would want. Oddly too, one item is posted on a NASA Invention site for Future products to make the world a better place,I made a ZERO-Gravity version expecting the return to the Moon in 1/6th Gravity.

"Riverdan" posted this on P. Geller's AT piece. I would like to know how extensive Perry's relationship is with Norquist. Norquist raises a huge red flag. If Perry and his people are not apprised of Norquist and his activities, I wonder why.


riverdan 26 minutes ago

In 2008, I spent many hours defending Sarah Palin against false charges of anti-Semitism from the Jewish left (which was very difficult for me, since I am Jewish). Three years later, I am defending Rick Perry, a righteous gentile, and the man who will be the most pro-Israel president in US history, from the same leftists - and now Pamela Geller? "Perry gave a speech...in the company of Grover Norquist" and that disqualifies him? Really? Perry does not just say he is pro-Israel. He has two decades of actual deeds helping the Jewish State. He created the Texas-Israel exchange in 1991 when he was Agricultural Commissioner and in 2007, he founded the Texas-Israel Chamber of Commerce. Perry is responsible for promoting research and providing billions of dollars in trade that have benefited both Americans and Israelis. He has received awards from the Israeli government and other organizations for his years of friendship, support and business ties with the Jewish state. He has a very good relationship with the Texas Jewish community and a few weeks ago, after a Houston couple was fined by their homeowner association for refusing to remove a small "mezuzah," he signed into law H.B. 1278 which bars HOA's from preventing residents to place religious objects on their doors.

He also helped stop the Gaza flotilla boat, "The Audacity of Hope" with his June 28 letter asking Eric Holder to bring the flotilla participants to justice for violating US law. And he is the first person ever to mention support for Israel in a speech declaring a candidacy for President. If you listened to that speech and his others, you would know that Perry is 100% on the side of traditional American and Judeo-Christian values. America needs Rick Perry to beat Obama in 2012. America needs a President Perry to put our citizens back to work and make our economy strong. Israel needs a President Perry to save it from the dangerous situation that Obama created. And for his five years in the Air Force, decades as a patriotic and talented public servant, twenty years as a friend to Israel, and his lifelong support of the Boy Scouts of America, Governor Perry does not deserve the above, baseless attack on his character - especially here on AT.

Thanks for the riverdan piece, wildjew.

It's a bit too slick, too laden with talking points jargon, for my taste.

Even if everything in Perry's favor is as stated in the riverdan piece, Perry still needs an independent investigation to verify all the claims. If he is as whistle clean as is claimed, then he should emerge unscathed. One of the things he could do would be to publicly distance himself from Grover Norquist, with a full explanation of the reasons for doing so.

America got suckered into electing a poseur during the last presidential election. We don't need to let it happen again. Perry, and all other presidential candidates, could do themselves, and us, a huge favor by loudly and publicly releasing their long-form birth certificates showing they meet the constitutional eligibility requirements for the presidency. And they all should release complete copies of their college transcripts. These would make nice campaign material highlighting Obama's disingenuous and insulting, and quite possibly illegal, efforts to conceal his own birth and academic records.

I'm sorry, but Perry is NOT a good republican candidate. In fact I don't think he's really a republican at all. 1988 he was Al Gore's campaign manager in this state. (He was a registered democrat then.) Did you all know this?

He expediently switched parties in the 90's and had very good luck since. He is a Texas Aggie, as were both Bushes. and God knows we don't need any more of them. Texas A & M is a huge player in the military-industrial complex.

While governor, he was active in supporting the trans-Texas corridor, which is a fast track way of losing our national soveriegnty by way of the single America; Canada Mexico America become one country. He is new world order guy.

He also wanted to force all Texas families to have their teenage girls to get the HPV vaccine. It turns out that the manufacterer of the HPV vaccine was a Big contributor to all of Perry's political ambitions.

Have you heard enough? You do NOT want this guy in the White House.

Eastview, you wrote: "One of the things he could do would be to publicly distance himself from Grover Norquist, with a full explanation of the reasons for doing so......"


Exactly. Tea party activists and their supporters (many) have educated themselves about the jihad threat, post 9/11.

Shame on us, if we are fooled once again.

n.a. palm, you raise some important points. There is no perfect candidate. Little doubt you can bring up some dirt on all the Republican candidates.

Yet there are certain red lines that must no be crossed. That is what this is about.

Thanks for the additional information about Perry, n.a. palm. Duly noted.

Anyone know who Perry's campaign advisers are? They and their backgrounds need to be investigated, too. Same for the largest financial contributors to his campaign - especially if any of them are linked, no matter how far removed the links may be via various forms of money laundering, to Saudi Arabia.

n.a.palm says:

"[Perry] also wanted to force all Texas families to have their teenage girls to get the HPV vaccine. It turns out that the manufacterer [sic] of the HPV vaccine was a Big contributor to all of Perry's political ambitions."

So, one must suppose that n.a.palm would not want us to elect a candidate to public office who advocated the universal immunization of children against polio, or measles or whooping cough, if the manufacturer of the vaccine was a "Big" contributor to that candiate's "ambitions." What rubbish!

This leads me to wonder: What, exactly, is the difference between requiring vaccination for polio, measles, etc. and HPV? Oh, wait. HPV infects women's reproductive organs if they have unprotected sex. So, n.a. plam, apparently for "morality" reasons, would prefer the freedom to leave his daughter vulnerable to die of cancer rather than OMG! have pre-marital sex.

How is this any different logically than forcing girls back into a burning school to die a horrible death lest they go out unveiled? How is this any different logically than stoning a girl to death for having pre-marital sex? In other words, how is n.a. palm distinguishable from the Wahabbi religious police?

For my money, I would much prefer to have George Bush in the Oval Office than the Manchurian Candidate for the Mullahs that we have now.

Bush was just ignorant.
Obama is malignant.

n.a.palm says:

"[Perry] also wanted to force all Texas families to have their teenage girls to get the HPV vaccine. It turns out that the manufacterer [sic] of the HPV vaccine was a Big contributor to all of Perry's political ambitions."

So, one must suppose that n.a.palm would not want us to elect a candidate to public office who advocated the universal immunization of children against polio, or measles or whooping cough, if the manufacturer of the vaccine was a "Big" contributor to that candiate's "ambitions."

This leads me to wonder: What, exactly, is the difference between requiring vaccination for polio, measles, etc. and HPV? Oh, wait. HPV infects women's reproductive organs if they have unprotected sex. So, n.a. palm, apparently for "morality" reasons, would prefer the freedom to leave his daughter vulnerable to die of cancer rather than OMG! have pre-marital sex.

How is this any different logically than forcing girls back into a burning school to die a horrible death lest they go out unveiled? How is this any different logically than stoning a girl to death for having pre-marital sex? In other words, how is n.a. palm distinguishable from the Wahabbi religious police?

For my money, I would much rather have George Bush in the Oval Office than the Manchurian Candidate for the Mullahs that we have now.

Bush was just ignorant.
Obama is malignant.

I have just had my first comment moderation over at the Jerusalem post -- on the first article about Rick Perry there:

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=233871

Orwellian Days Are Here Again. Just like when Obama was running. Perry is not Bush Jr. He's Obama Jr.

"Your comment must be approved by a moderator before appearing here."

This is a first. There have until now been many comments on many other things/people on many other articles.

What a SHAM!

last time when I posted a blog about herman Cain who orginally opposed building the down town mosque. I siad that Cain ai Dbag just like the rest of them and I was villified. last week cain appologized to CAIR. if anyone here think that there is acadidaye out here, republican, democrats, independet..etc...that is going to oppose Islamists, in anyway shpae or means are 5 to 9 year old kids still beliving in fairy tales.

Dot, not to worry. That sometimes happens to me depending on the content of my post. I post on the J. Post pretty regularly. Try re-posting using slightly different language. It's not a moderator. It's the wording. The word "Nazi" for example will bring up that moderator thing. Try it again.

In response the recommendation of a reader on another site, I Googled and came up with the following troubling piece:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Democratic challenger Bill White don't oppose Ground Zero mosque in New York
By WAYNE SLATER / The Dallas Morning Newswslater@dallasnews.com

Published 06 August 2010 08:07 AM
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AUSTIN - Gov. Rick Perry and Democratic challenger Bill White agree that while plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero have stirred controversy, they don't object to a local decision affirming the Islamic group's right to build it.

A New York City planning commission voted this week to clear the way for a planned Islamic community center and mosque near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Opponents say the project is an insult to the memory of the nearly 3,000 people killed at the site. A conservative advocacy group has filed suit seeking to stop construction......

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20100805-Texas-Gov-Rick-Perry-1029.ece


TO American Emotionalist: I respond to only one of your posts, since they appear identical: You are completely off base with your assumptions re my post......the hpv vaccinations were to be forced upon students via executive order, regardless of what their parents wished. If you think that's a good way to govern, then you are obviously a hopeless liberal, not an American Exceptionalist.

The other facts that I presented are certainly more ominous and worthy of serious consideration, not emotional diatribes such as yours.....

Wildjew said:

"'Incurious'" is far too generous. I would say traitorous. For anyone who is interested in George W. Bush - his and his father's intimate financial dealings with our enemies - Bush was very compromised. That is putting it mildly."

George W. Bush and his father were never of the same mind about Israel. His father's secretary of state, James Baker, was notoriously anti-Israel (and, I believe, anti-semitic) who famously stated that if the Israelis ever "really" wanted peace they knew his number.

On the other hand, George W. Bush, at tremendous cost of political capital, flew diplomatic cover for Israel for an unprecendented THIRTY-FOUR days to let Israel try to destroy Hizbullah, only to have the 3 stooges, Olmert-Livni-Barak, fubar that war.

BHO, the Manchurian Candidate for the Mullahs, openly courts the Muslim Brotherhood and he and his quisling attorney general have paved the way for unprecedented infiltration and subversion by the stealth jihadis than any previous administration.

As I said in my reply to n.a. palm's comment, W may have been ignorant but Obama is malignant.

Here was the comment -- in response to VANDAG complaining about Deborah Clemons' spam spam.

"What's wrong with spam? You don't like spam? Rick Perry is Republican spam!"

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And this is what I see happening at the Jerusalem Post today.

Defense of Judaism (which necessitates rejecting Christianity -- the faiths ARE different, you know) on religious articles* is being squelched. Ah, the whining and wringing of hands and comment deletion and "technical difficulties" (technical difficulties in a pigs eye!)

Does anti-Perry automatically equate to anti-Christian?

What a SHAM!

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*e.g., here http://blogs.jpost.com/content/christian-insecurity-and-jewish-problem-introduction-0

You would put words in my mouth? Get real!

So Nazi is the new N-word?

What a SHAM!

I didn't even say Nazi -- but aren't many thinking it?

I did say that every time I see this JTA article tagging Perry as a 'Friend of Jesus' I can't get the Convoy song out of my head. You're too green to remember it, I would wager.

***An' eleven long-haired Friends a' Jesus in a chartreuse micro-bus***

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cw+mccall/convoy_20026575.html

I can agree with you to a degree. I would like to think there are conservative candidates out there who will not cave. Maybe I am naive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4hYkfwuTY

Principled candidates are wise to stay away from certain issues, UNLESS they are asked a direct question or the issue presents itself, such as a jihad attack. With Islam, candidates need to be very careful how they respond to reporter's questions. They need to be schooled. They need to do their homework. It's a political minefield as Herman Cain discovered.

Dot, I'm not familiar with the Convoy song. Reading the lyrics, I have no idea what it's about. I got the impression reading about Perry's Christian faith, he (like former Pres. Bush) believes I've got a "nonstop" ticket straight to hell.

D. Schlussel wrote:

CAIR Network sent out an e-mail gushing over Rick Perry and linking to part of this gushing, drooling article about Perry and Islam, from the Houston Chronicle:

Gov. Rick Perry’s relationship with Muslims may set him apart

Gov. Rick Perry’s friendly relationship with some Texas Muslims was touted in a recent story on Salon.com.

While some other presidential candidates bring up concerns about American Muslims’ loyalty and decry Islamic law in the U.S., here’s a Christian, Republican politician who initiated a teacher-training program on Islamic history and has been friends for years with the Aga Khan, head of an Islamic sect called Ismailis, Salon points out. Perry even laid the first brick at the groundbreaking ceremony for an Ismaili worship center in Plano in 2005. . . .

“The Muslim community has a significant number of political conservatives, and they do support Perry,” said Mustafaa Carroll, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations in Houston. . . . Carroll notes that Muslims donated to President George Bush’s campaign and have given to Perry’s gubernatorial campaigns.

When HAMAS’ front in the U.S. (CAIR Network) and the Islamo-pandering mainstream media are in ecstasy over Rick Perry, it’s a pretty big sledgehammer of a hint:

He ain’t good for America.

If Rick Perry is the GOP nominee for President, I will throw away my vote and pull the Libertarian lever. I do not need Mohammed’s fave Republican in the White House anymore than I need Barack Obama there.

I hope Michele Bachmann and the other candidates pounce on HAMAS’ love affair with Rick Perry. And that it’s apparently mutual.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/40924/hamas-cair-netwk-in-love-with-rick-perry/

A presidential hopeful representing the republican party must posses an intellect and a heart which is resolute and passionate about keeping our nation safe, form without and from within.
That candidate has to be more than just "strong on defense" Nowadays, those who are awake and can smell the jihad under their noses, realize that our very liberty and lives are at risk. Liberal naiveté leading to lax preparedness has plummeted our national security since Nam.
Perry's record in acquiescence to islamic acceptance in his state demonstrates a capacity to carry the torch , the dying torch of the left.
Perry didn’t last long on my list, be firm on islam, sharia or join the dems.

I think you are a wishful thinker. I am not being oofensive or do want to offend you by any means. as this link you posted here about Michelle Buchman, she is the bigeest vermin of all. her and her husband are running a clinic I think it is is Kansas or Kentucky that they claim can cure homsexuals and ake them them hetrosexuals. so no she too is no good. our polital system is based on bribary, who ever give more gets more. it is that simple. unless and until this is changed nothing will get done. I wish someone like Bloomberg would run for president. I am not endorsing him by all means, or any billioner coservative to that matter who can use his/her money to be elcted, then we can start to see some changes.
M

Miriam, you don't offend me in the least. Bloomberg? Bloomberg is a huge proponent of the ground zero mosque. I think we need to stay focused on the fundamentals (the global and the stealth jihad) and not get sidetracked on Bachmann's religious faith, which like mine, supports the traditional definition of marriage between a husband and a wife.

i just said bloomberg as an example someone who has his own money and yes he is a proponent os the mosgue and as well he should be because he is an elected official and as an elected official he/she should support this as this is separation of church and states. anyone like this guy Rick Lazio who is trying to get in the office by mixing religion into poltick should be avoided like aplague. they are the sum of the sums. I rather have Hitler in the office than them. this mosque should not be built because of our efforts by exposing them.
M

Sorry for the double post. I didn't think the first one had gone through, so I edited it slightly and resubmitted it only to find both posted.

My experience in our local community here is that much of the opposition to HPV immunization was based on fundamentalist religious objections that the immunization of these girls was somehow "sending them the wrong message" that pre-marital sex is somehow permissible. That experience led me to conclude that whether adopted by legislation or executive order made no difference to the opponents. That led me to infer that your bringing up the HPV issue was a reflection of that sentiment. I didn't see how the HPV issue was otherwise at all relevant to the jihad issue.

That led me, quite frankly, to discount your other points because I was suspicious of your real agenda. For my part, I oppose religious extremism in all its forms. I have always taken comfort in the Jewish concept of "pikuach nefesh" or "preservation of life." This is a doctrine which holds that, if the issue is preservation of life, all the other rules must yield. Therefore, although under Orthodox Jewish law, abortion is not permitted, an abortion is permitted if it means saving the life of the mother. Similarly, although pre-marital sex is not sanctioned either, "pikuach nefesh" would support the immunization of children to prevent deadly disease even if it sends the "wrong message." Sadly, "pikuach nefesh" has not been adopted in Islam.

If I was mistaken in my inferences about your agenda and offended you as a result, I apologize. I will also grant you that the other points you raised are worthy of consideration. After Christie of New Jersey appointed a Brotherhood judge, and then Cain apologized to the Dallas wing of the Brotherhood, and now, this news about Perry, I fear that we have gone past the tipping point in the fight against jihad.

To paraphrase Churchill, we had the choice between war and dishonor. Our leaders have chosen dishonor and we will most assuredly have war. The lessons of history are bleak. In World War II, the failure to promptly and forcefully confront evil cost us 50,000,000 dead. I'm afraid the butcher's bill for our current follies will be much higher.

As for your comment about American Exceptionalism, this concept, to me, means that I am an avowed, politically incorrect, anti-multiculturalist. I firmly believe that the United States is the greatest country in the history of mankind. Unlike the morally relative left, I believe that it is self-evident to all but the delusional that our way of life and our beliefs and values are vastly superior to those of the 7th century barbarians that are waging war against us. I believe, therefore, that the ideals upon which this country were founded are worth fighting for and dying for, if necessary.

That said, I agree that government by fiat is not generally appropriate. However, I also draw a line between adulthood and childhood. I believe that children ought to be allowed to live long enough to become adults rather than be allowed to die in childhood for their parents' beliefs. Therefore, while I strongly oppose the government telling an adult what he or she can or can not do or eat or say (so long as they do not harm anyone else); I strongly support protecting children against the folly of their parents. That is why I have always supported court orders requiring medical treatment to save the life of a child of Christian Scientists or blood transfusions to save the life of a child of Jehovah's Witnesses, even though I would vigorously oppose such orders being imposed against adults.

Does that make me a liberal? I don't know. But does that diminish my belief in American Exceptionalism? Not at all. It is not at all inconsistent to support civil unions and still believe that this country represents a bastion of freedom in an intolerant world and is worth fighting and dying for.

Miriam, Bloomberg should be ashamed of himself, especially as he is Jewish. I do not see this as a church-state issue. It is a moral issue. If the Framers of our Constitution were alive today; if they could see the threat posed to the West by Islam which has vast petrodollars behind it, I believe the First Amendment would have been written very differently. Clearly, when they wrote 'Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof', they did not have Islam in mind. Too bad for us.

thank god for the jews! EVERYTHING that has to do with freedom/medicine/chemistry/science/physics/ space science/ there is a jew on top of it. while I can't comment for the founding father, there are many other ways that our government and elected officials can do to get the islamists and jihadists out of here before intevening and mixing apple and oranges. one of them is immigration.

wildjew -- you are no Jew. If you are who I think you are, you are an Islamist. If it were my world, I wouldn't give you a "nonstop ticket straight to hell" but I would certainly quarantine you somewhere until you 'get it.'

Get it??? Ha.

Several Comments in one posting:

Re Perry's relationship with the Agha Khan: Have the Ismailis made much trouble for anyone since Huleku Khan sacked the Alamut and massacred many of the sect's adherents back in the 1200's?

A further matter: What is wrong with a candidate, or, for that matter, and elected leader, having links and ties to as many constituency groups as possible?

Also, I would not accuse Wildjew of being an Islamist. I recall a good number of his posts over the years, and a pro-Israel slant to them with which I cannot agree 100%--even if I am generally pro-Israel myself. But, I note some of Wildjew's partisanship on certain issues, and he seems to be an avid student of who in American politics is pro-Israel or not.

"Miriam, Bloomberg should be ashamed of himself, especially as he is Jewish. I do not see this as a church-state issue. It is a moral issue."

Exactly.

Islam is not a religion. It is a totalitarian political system masquerading as a religion. Unless and until we collectively destroy the lie of the "religiosity" of Islam, it will destroy us with our own Constitution, namely the First Amendment. This point is utterly crucial.

"Cain is crossed off the list...and now, so is Perry...The search for a real leader continues."

Perry has a record on his support of islam, but Caim has statements and his debate answers. Did you hear his statement on islamic law during the debate?


Don't close the book on Herman Cain just yet, you may be throwing out a champion for this country against islam.

The Ismailis are perhaps the most westernized and West-friendly of all Islamic sects. I know several Ismailis and their westernized lifestyle and pro-individual rights stance actually irks many "more conservative" Muslims.

The wild one has a choir! That is never an indicator of anything just on these forums -- but rather it is an indication of multiplication of screen names and deception.

You know the routine.

Kepha, you wrote: "Also, I would not accuse Wildjew of being an Islamist. I recall a good number of his posts over the years, and a pro-Israel slant to them with which I cannot agree 100%--even if I am generally pro-Israel myself. But, I note some of Wildjew's partisanship on certain issues, and he seems to be an avid student of who in American politics is pro-Israel or not...."

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Why can you not agree 100% with me on Israel? What do you disagree with?


Dot, why in the world would you think I am an Islamist, based upon what I wrote today?

You wrote: "A further matter: What is wrong with a candidate, or, for that matter, and elected leader, having links and ties to as many constituency groups as possible?"

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Former President Bush courted the Muslim vote. In one of the debates he had with Gore, Bush said he would oppose using "secret evidence" (secret in order to protect the safety of the provider) in court in prosecutions against alleged terrorists. He said he would oppose racial profiling in order to appeal to the Muslim voter. Unbeknown to me at the time, Bush campaigned here in Florida with University of South Florida Islamic jihadist, Sami Al-Arain who pledged he would work Florida mosques in behalf of Bush. Grover Norquist boasted that Florida's Muslims delivered Bush the close vote. I'm not sure about working certain constituencies.

So who is your guy or gal, wild one, for president of the US of A? Spit it out and end your games.

Presently, I support Michele Bachmann because she seems to be solid. We'll see what she does in the months to come. She might let me down. I do not dismiss the concerns of conservatives who believe -- because of her lack of executive experience -- she cannot beat Obama, who likewise had no executive experience. Bachmann is 55. She and her husband run a business. She is a tax lawyer. She is in her third term in Congress after having served as a State Senator in Minnesota. Still, some / many believe that is not enough. No question, Rick Perry has extensive executive experience. That is why some are placing their hope in Perry.


In the final analysis I cannot imagine not voting for the Republican nominee (Nov. 2012) even if he is a weak candidate like Mitt Romney. We cannot afford another four years of Obama. He is ruining this nation.

That having been said, "if" Rick Perry is the nominee, this scrutiny he is being given by counter (anti) jihadists, I believe is healthy and necessary. The same holds true in the event he is the next president. Bush was largely given a pass in the public realm by conservatives and conservative activists. If you read Spencer's books for example, he is critical of Bush's policies but by and large conservative leaders feared taking on Bush in the public square for his terrible policies -- we feared it might help the opposition but this is wrong-headed. Had we done due diligence with Bush, we might not have Obama. But that is hindsight. We move forward.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. Why do you say I have multiple names and identities on this forum? Why do you think I am an Islamist?

"Why do you say I have multiple names and identities on this forum? Why do you think I am an Islamist?"

Because I think you are posting from Austin, Texas and are a Perry-lackey Islamist. As is (or will be) Michele Bachmann (i.e., empty suit with the right gender).

It is predetermined.

"Perry has a record on his support of Islam, but Cain has statements and his debate answers. Did you hear his statement on Islamic law during the debate?"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Maybe I am a political neophyte. I don't understand how Perry (or any politician) can balance his or her support for Israel on the one hand, with those who hate and want to destroy Israel on the other. At some point, it seems to me, a U.S. president will have to choose between the two. Bush rightly said, 'you are either with us or you are with the (Islamic) terrorists'.

In my view former President Bush ultimately chose Islam.

Apparently Frank Gaffney's organization is dissenting with P. Geller on Perry's associations with Aga Khan of the Ismaili sect. Justin Elliott, Salon.com wrote today:

The group's spokesman, Dave Reaboi, emailed Commentary's Alana Goodman:

Politico’s Ben Smith amplified a Salon report about Perry’s relationship with Aga Khan of the Ismaili sect of Shia Islam. As Salon’s in-house apologist for Islamism and crusader against conservatives, Justin Elliott clearly believed such a story, breathlessly told, would cause a great deal of friction between the Texas governor and the GOP base—who are rightfully concerned about the anti-Constitutional aspects of Shariah law in our own country, and are watching as Shariah is the rallying-cry of jihadists around the globe. That said, Perry’s relationship to Khan and the Ismaili’s, I predict, will not cause much of a stir. The Islamailis are a persecuted Shia minority in Saudia Arabia; indeed, Perry’s meeting with Khan could not have won him many friends there. Rather than reaching out– as both presidents Bush and Obama mistakenly did—to problematic organizations associated with the Muslim Brotherhood’s expressly political agenda, Perry’s choice to engage with a more ‘progressive’ group is a good sign.

And:

This story tells us more about Salon, Politico and other left-of-center media outlets than about Perry. Rather than engage on the substantive issues as regards to Islamism and the extent of the threat of groups with political motivations and histories of terrorist links, Elliott and Smith refuse to take their opponents seriously, thinking they’re 'poking the cage' of a Republican base too unsophisticated to know the difference between the Ismaili sect and, say, the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.salon.com/news/islam/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/15/perry_geller_gaffney

You say, "Had we done due diligence with Bush, we might not have Obama."

Obama was predetermined. As is Perry. False messianic overtones all up in the media.

I don't know how long you've been reading and / or posting on this site. I live in central Florida. I am a Jew. If you have concerns that I am a Muslim or an Islamist with multiple idendities on this site, why don't you contact Mr. Spencer? He has our information. In fact I would encourage you to contact him.

I do not believe in fatalism or determinism. God gave us free-will. We have choices. You might argue history is moving toward some kind of a trajectory. Still, man has choices. Not everything is predetermined. Foolish (largely uneducated) Americans voted for Barack Obama. Foolish, largely uneducated Americans continue to support Barack Obama.

Wildjew must mean taqiyya in basic English. Beat it, you.

Well, this is all very grim. I realize that these days *every* candidate is likely to be somewhat compromised vis-a-vis Islam, but to see a major candidate lavishly praised by CAIR and in support of the Ground Zero Mosque is deeply troubling.

American_Exceptionalist,

Thanks for the info about George W Bush (younger).

I persist in my view that Bush presided over truly disastrous decisions for the US, but I am always happy to get additional information.

I look at a presidential candidate not as someone who agrees with me, but as someone who can use logic and someone who can get the job done. Perry is a fundamentalist who wishes the idea of intelligent design taught in public schools. I find that view highly disagreeable...it is religious-based, has no scientific validity, and has no place in public schools.

Yet, as president, Perry would have minimum influence over what is taught in the schools. So, I tend to discount his religious views when I consider his efficient, job-creating performance.

Similarly, I don't really care what his position is on the Ground Zero Mosque. What I really want is to get control over immigration. If we stop permitting people who do not obey and accept the US culture and laws to enter the country, and who are too technically backward to have a prayer of making a living, they can build 3 mosques in New York, and I'll vote for the guy.

Finally, I really, really care about the wars that the US is in. We are in a near-recession, free-fall budget and trade deficits, and we are supporting 3 wars right now. You can cut out all the welfare great-grandmothers you wish, but you won't make up for funding 3 wars. I will support a necessary war, but Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya are strictly marginal to US interests. McCain criticized the Democrats as not sufficiently supporting the Libyan intervention, and I would vote 6 times for Obama before ever voting for McCain again.

wildjew - Everyone knows you're Jewish and not Muslim, and the "multiple identities" accusation is absurd and untrue. So, don't worry about it. Where this "Dot" came from, who knows.

This what Dallas Morning News reported. I disagree with Perry on this:

Opponents say the project is an insult to the memory of the nearly 3,000 people killed at the site. A conservative advocacy group has filed suit seeking to stop construction.

The plan has become an issue nationally, and in Texas, where private property rights, the authority of government and local control are all issues in the race for governor.

Perry, who has campaigned on states' rights and local control, said he would prefer that planners find another site far from Ground Zero. But he supports the right of local citizens to authorize it.

"I'm a big believer in freedom of religion but believe it would be best for all involved to put the facility elsewhere," Perry said. "However, zoning is a local responsibility and as a staunch supporter of the 10th Amendment, I do not think the federal government should take steps to intercede or overrule the wishes of local residents. The citizens of New York City will decide the fate of this building."

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20100805-Texas-Gov-Rick-Perry-1029.ece

Dot wrote:

wildjew -- you are no Jew. If you are who I think you are, you are an Islamist.
...........................

Dot, I do not always agree with WildJew—but he is an absolutely solid anti-Jihadist. He is *certainly* no Islamist—nothing could be further from the truth.

And no, *I* am not WildJew posting under another username. Nor am I Jan—as you assumed on another thread (although I have great respect for her posts).

Thanks. When someone asks me a 'when was the last time you beat your wife'(?) kind of question, I am not sure how or if I should answer.

"Dot, why in the world would you think I am an Islamist, based upon what I wrote today?"

Don't even bother with Dot the dodo, WildJew. She's accused miriamrove and myself of being stealth mohammadans and myself of having multiple accounts. Now I see she's accused graven of having multiple accounts and now she's accusing you of being mohammadan and having multipleaccounts because you said something her royal holy roller highness didn't like.

She's a few french fries short of a happy meal. She's too stupid to read and comprehend and thought that you were accusing her of using the word "nazi" on the JP post. She wasn't bright enough to figure out that you were simply using that word as an example.

She's a nasty piece of work who has the sense that JW is for and only her agend and seems to be on a crusade to alienate every user she disagrees with.

I suggest you and everyone else who's been falsely accused by this nutjob to email Mr. Spencer or Marisol. She's falsely and slanderously accused enough regular posters with proven track records that if enough of us complain she may be asked to tone it down or leave.

It is predetermined.

You can do that too? And I thought I was the only one...

I don't think Wildjew is an Islamist or any slamist...
Wildjew has lots of opinions, but not the bad one, 'Allah is God and Mahound is his messenger'...Wildjew has never typed ALLAHU AKBAR in capitals or any other way that I know of...

I'm positive Wildjew is not an Islamist because I predetermined it...

Gravenimage

Seconding that.


I don't like Perry, he gives me the creeps...I would have a hard time voting for him, but I suppose I would if he is the nominee, I would vote for Daffy Duck if he ran against Rasool Obama...

There is no way that wildjew is an Islamist. His long record of posts on this blog show that.

He just wrote this to gravenimage.

Thanks. When someone asks me a 'when was the last time you beat your wife'(?) kind of question, I am not sure how or if I should answer.

A real Muslim would have said...."So you want to know when did I last beat my wife?..."

"Which one?"

"Dot" is a clueless newbie here, a self-described "Christian," who has an unfortunate proclivity to hurl accusations at long-time, legitimate posters like Wildjew. About 3 weeks ago, she and her little friends accused Istanbul_Chick along the same lines. They misunderstood Miriam Rove, and when we jumped in to defend Miriam, they attacked us! The Chick and I made Caesar Salad out of 'em. "Dot" has no idea what's going-on here and should be dimissed as someone not to be taken seriously...

A few days ago Dot accused Wellington, of all people, to be an Islamist sympathizer. I posted a comment in his defense, and Dot immediately accused me of being another account of Wellington's. Dot made the same accusation against Undaunted.

A few of Dot's postings have been informative but many are disruptive in the manner seen on this thread.

Message to Dot: clean up your act or you will ultimately be banned, experience shows that Robert and Marisol have limited tolerance for these antics.

Norquist/Norquisling needs counterweights in Perry's camp. I never liked Pastor John Hagee's anti-Catholic rants--but I like him for reaching out to conservative Catholics in the political sphere, and think that the Evangelicals in his orbit can help counter Norq.

Dear closet Islamist:

I think you're right, WildJew, to think that--perhaps--the lefties would love to rattle us with the Aga Khan boogieman. Now, if it were, say, Tariq Ramadan--ahh, that would be a different, unmistakable red flag.

If Dot were to criticize me for the subject-verb agreement error I made in my last post - a real embarrassment for a Classics student - then I would have to accept it; but for her to attack Wellington and Undaunted and Istanbul_Chick as Islamic sympathizers is just bizarre.

Your advice to her is good. You might have told her to read carefully as well.


Yes. I have my suspicions that Dot may be PUI - posting under the influence. Anything is possible.

Pastor Hagee has often set my teeth on edge. He is a very effective speaker though. But like you, I don't care for his anti-catholic rants, even as he seems to support Israel.

One thing people forget is that without the Catholic Church, Spain might be entirely Muslim now. In fact, without the Catholics and the Orthodox Serbs, Europe might have been conquered long ago.

In Balkan Ghosts: A Journey Through History, Robert Kaplan quotes a Serbian nun, "Mother Tatiana," who complained to him:

"The greatness of Italy and the other nations of Europe was constructed over our bones."

She is partly right. It's long past time for Christians to set aside their differences and pay attention to what Islamic leaders have in mind.

As far as I can see, Mr. Perry has a lot of reading to do; and Robert Spencer's and Robert Kaplan's books ought to be on the reading list.

"The Chick and I made Caesar Salad out of 'em."

We sliced and diced, but it wasn't much of a challenge. It's not like we were up against the three wise men. :D

Reading through, it seems like she's accused just about everyone of being a mohammadan.

Better watch out, my friend, you'll be on her hit list next.;)

"A few days ago Dot accused Wellington, of all people, to be an Islamist sympathizer."

I'm glad I missed that one. I would have been banned for letting loose on that loon with both barrels. Wellington!?

That is beyond slanderous!

PUI! I like that one.

However, even a life long lush on a three day bender couldn't possibly construe anything Wellington posts as being sympathetic to the islamists.

For the record and a la Twain, reports of my intellectual death (it would indeed be intellectual death to be an Islamic sympathizer) are greatly exaggerated. And though I have had some disagreements with wildjew, to call him an Islamic sympathizer is beyond absurd. There's no figuring out some people, Muslims or other kinds of folks. In fact, it's hard at times to believe that we're all members of the same species. I'm tempted to think a strain of Homo erectus or Homo habilis, maybe even an Australopithecine species (e.g. afarensis), made it through an evolutionary time warp with modern appearances and therin lies the source of the problem. Just sayin'. And thanks to all those who came to my defense and wildjew's too. Much appreciated.

As for Perry, ah, yet another disappointment. Is there no Ronald Reagan out there with great political skill and knowledge of what is good and bad and ready to give another Evil Empire speech? Apparently not. Damn shame. We're still drifting.

It is important to bring this stuff out.

No, Jew, Herm Cain and Michelle Bachmann get this stuff out, Sarah Palin, too, not us. We can't get this stuff out cuz we don't have the media bandwidth, they do.

*** 33:21 ***

It's called bare knuckled politics based on verifiably accurate and urgently required ad hominem, the good old fashioned truth. Just like a hundred years ago, when campaigns weren't pretty but at least dealt with the obvious dangers and problems.

John McCain's performance early in his campaign with his attack on the N.C. Republican party for daring to run ads talking about Sen. Barack Hussein's ties to terrorism was an abdication of duty by the war hero. It was a truly sickening performance.

We know the likes of Trump, Romney and Santorum won't criticize Perry for being mozzed up, cuz they are Moslem-friendly. And, as a libertarian, Dr. Ron Paul is just plain flat out Moslem-confused.

*** 8:12 ***

Herm? Michelle? Is this not a big enough issue for you to talk about?

"A few days ago Dot accused Wellington, of all people, to be an Islamist sympathizer.

What? I missed that one. Well, if here were fairly accused of perhaps having acted as a double-agent, we then have a duty to fairly handle this allegation. We must focus our speculation on whether Wellington is working for the IJC or the OIC (or whatever the hell they're calling themselves this week).

So many speculations, so little time. But so many news entertainers.

Maybe the absent minded feature reporter from the New York Times who did the hatchet job on Spencer should pop the hood on old Wellington and see what intrigue might be percolating in the bowels of the Resistance.

Hi I_C,

Geez, I thought I was here among friends--kindred anti-islamic spirits. And now it comes out that you guys are a bunch of muslim trolls! And I may be next! Guess I'd better open those 2nd and 3rd accounts and prepare for battle!

And, BTW, I haven't forgotten her 2 little friends, either...

Hope you're enjoying our hot summer weather! Has to be better than Turkey, right?

G

Yes, our cover is blown!

We can't wipe our arses without instructions, or even settle an argument without arbitration from a bearded half wit with a third grade education, but we managed to infiltrate the ranks of these najis infidels!

That is until the intrepid detective dot discovered our nefarious plans and routed us out!

*EYEROLL*

I haven't forgotten them either. I usually ignore the three blind mice's posts but was reading WildJew's posts and saw that the holy roller used her powers of the holy spirit (burbon, I think) and tore into WildJew.

Actually, I wish I was in Istanbul because I miss the humidity and the breezes coming off of the sea.:)

You MISS the HUMIDITY? OK, that settles it: You're a troll, LOL! Between rust and dust, I'll settle (no pun intended) for dust. But I'm off to the mountains tomorrow to wade in an ice-cold stream and fly-fish. Fact: I have NEVER seen a muslim fly-fishing! A nice one-day break from life's realities.

I watch this place pretty closely but I missed the attack on Wellington. That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! Yep, Wellington and Robert Spencer...muslim trolls!

"...powers of the holy spirit (bourbon, I think)" BLOL!

A discussion rages about the presidential candidates Perry, Cain, Romney, Bachmann ect. Mostly right now it's about Perry. Sad part is a few years back, before Obama, Bush looked fairly good. Big disappointment!! Major disappointment!!!

Obama is every bit and more "the malignant one". He's done nothing positive for this country and I really feel he's just waiting for the next disaster to happen, so as not to let it go to "waste".

I knew last time not to vote for Obama, but he ended up winning the election anyway. I've even had discussions with people who think he deserves re-election, because he couldn't possibly be expected to clean up the prior presidents mistakes, and no amount of asking "what he's done" seems to help.

Get it right this time? We didn't get it right the last time (Obama or Bush the time before)!! We here on this site knew what he (Obama), was and he has lived up to every ulgy, destructive damming decision/choice, we knew he would make, and most of them he told us. WE KNEW IT!!!! But we put the bastard in office anyway. Maybe not the people on this blog, but 98% of American voters.

What are we going to do this time? I don't know! I don't know who to vote for. The Democrates are so far left one wonders if they haven't left the galexy ... then the Republicans, whoaaaa.... The one thing I can say about either of them is, that neither is for the middle class person. The Tea Party, do the have a chance in anything of winning? Don't know!!! As I said I don't know who to vote for .... So, me I'm just going to pray for wisdom.

I found this Post, on another blog, and I agree with it, so I am posting it here (no, maybe we cann't get everything on the list at once, but we can try).


"Congressional Reform Act of 2011

1. No Tenure / No Pension.
A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security
system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.

The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours
should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

Send this to people you know. Post this in Comments on web news pages."

If you think it has merit pass it on as the post states.

''And no, *I* am not WildJew posting under another username. Nor am I Jan—as you assumed on another thread (although I have great respect for her posts).''

Thanks, graven. The same to you. This 'Dot' also accused Dumbledoresarmy, of all people,(!!) of using different monikers. I don't know what she thinks she's playing at, but she's exceedingly annoying.

I think she *is* anti-islam, but on a web-site such as this, to accuse people like you, wildjew, Wellington, dda, Istanbul-chick, and others of being closet islamists, is proposterous, and potentially divisive. I think maybe I-C is right, and she's 'PUI.'

On moderation. And the 'Right'.

I found to my disgust that modding, basically code for shariah censorship is alive and well amongst the right here in Britain.

I sent a post to the right wing Tory supporting Spectator which was basically my intro and an excellent piece by respected commentator Douglas Murray.

No show.

Intrigued and annoyed in equal measure, I then decided by process of elimination, varying the message and re-sending, which part of his speech offended their islamophile sensibilities.

What apparently did it was a statement of absolute and impeccable honesty on Muslim immigration and their gross lack of integration.

This unavoidable truth was direct, straight to the point and obviously too blunt in approach for these mealy mouthed imposters.

This infection is not confined to the usual loony left suspects and as we are seeing from this post has infected the spectrum like some all pervasive virus.

Bush is an obvious as the original disseminator of the phoney 'religion of peace' meme which has since clouded all constructive critisism and our so called right is following this tragic misconception to the letter.

In the US I see Cain, Christ and now Perry flip flopping as they desperately attempt the all things to all men trick.

We've got Cameron and Hague doing precisely the same thing.

What will it take for these clowns to actually get it?

We've been bombed, we're constantly under obvious attack by the shariah brigade, our way of life is challenged and lawfare is becoming an epidemic.

Islam is at war with the West. It's not war as we know it but it's still there and contains all the objectives which warfare encompasses.

Unless our leaders acknowledge this state of affairs jihadi's will do their jihadi thing with impunity and the insane Breivics of this world will do their's.

Is this what they want?

We know Sarah Palin is not sharia compliant!
If she runs she has my vote and lots of others
will come her way. We need a total outsider to
turn DC around. Sarah Palin is the only person
capable of doing this. She is America's Man On
Horseback!

Aprilyn,

I have to say I deeply dislike the Congressional mandates you suggest.

One huge reason, more than sufficient in itself, is that by taking away the career prerogatives of the people in Congress, and making it difficult for them to stay in Washington over an extended period of time, you give extraordinary powers to the vested bureaucracy covered by civil service. This brings us to a system much like that in Britain, where parliament members come and go, but the bureaucracy calls the shots.


WAAAAAAY OT:

So inspiring - It just makes you think, How can we possibly lose this War against barbarism?

http://timetosignoff.com/video/?id=16545

Drafting Allen West is starting to look better all the time. West gets it. But is there a reason so many of these "good christian" prayer-meeting-holding GOP hopefuls can't understand the simple fact that Islam is implacably hostile to their religion as well as to the religious liberty that is the law of this land?

I hope Bolton will decide to enter the race just to give him the chance to ride herd on the Perrys and other clueless wonders and remind people what a real president would look like.

Thanks to American_Exceptionalist for defending women against those who appear to believe that preventing "pre-marital sex" is so damned all-fired crucial that women's lives should be sacrificed to it. Shame on anyone who takes that attitude. No, I don't want to hear what you imagine your god says about it. Shame.

Perhaps we might encounter a member of Homo sapiens neanderthalensis on occasion.

Yes, John C. Barlie, perhaps some of that sub-species managed to survive the ascent of Cro-Magnon Man and are still lurking around today after a good shave (of course this would exclude bearded Taliban and their ilk---ah, maybe they are Neanderthals after all in original hirsute form). I don't know about you but I'm still looking for some theory to explain how some human beings obviously aren't in possession of a full load of toys in their attic. They just can't be fully one of us, can they? Say it isn't so.

"Dot made the same accusation against Undaunted."

Show it to me or I won't believe it. Undaunted shares good stuff, e.g., the ricin article. "Stay alive, unerschrocken!"

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"A few of Dot's postings have been informative but many are disruptive in the manner seen on this thread."

Disruptive -- true -- and this soap opera you all have produced while another presidential poser is being hoist upon us is not?!?

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"Message to Dot: clean up your act or you will ultimately be banned, experience shows that Robert and Marisol have limited tolerance for these antics."

Like I haven't banned before? Get real!

Sincerely PUI of Truth,

Heidi2027

;)

hoist/foist

~whatever~

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/1945

Interesting, and especially since Chuck DeVore gave a glowing endorsement of Perry. Chuck is not known for sloppy thinking.

Pure bullshiite. Actually the TTC was a blunder of Perry's ONLY because he got a little ambitious on the plan. Lots of fake ranchers came out of the woodworks backed by regional governmental transit authorities who did not want private business playing in their sandbox.

Try checking Reason.org about this. They have numerous articles as well as a white paper on TTC. Perry actually invited them to help lay out the plan and advise the committee.

What we are seeing is in large a smear campaign sourced by Ron Paul and Organizing for America. Those who are willing to jump to conclusions will be duped, and duped easily.

Get the facts rather than rely on VERY dubious sources at best.

Any candidate who is for tax reform and no new taxes will have Grover in the background. It is just the way it is, no matter how anti-sharia they are.

To RonaldB,

I'm sorry you feel that way, my take is the framers of the Constitution did not intend for unlimited terms. Yes, there were some long term members, "Adams family" comes to mind.

I agree with what the "Poster" said "The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves."

Congressmen, give themselves regular pay increases that regular hard working people never see. They voted a multi-billon dollare "perk" system of; work-out gyms, saunas, swimming pool, hair cuts (at a reduced rate). They redecorate their offices to the tune of $ 100,000 + dollars. Even the food they eat "steaks" ect. are at reduced prices. Cars, airplane,staff perks, and unlimited free mailing the list just goes on and on.

The Poster" is correct when he states,"Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work." I'm tired of the Kennedy's, Republican and Democrate alike.

Most of these men and women act like we owe them!! And many of them donnt even show up for the job they wanted. They miss meetings, takes holidays, "junkets" to places most American can only read about. All with the working classes money.

I don't know the answer, but I for one am tired of the rich, attitude inflated, arrogant "jerks" that have the "balls" to say they are doing this for us. These people wouldn't know how to "earn" a wage much less to do anything for the common man.

I say - Go home, get a real job!! And I don't care if they can make millions at it!

I entirely agree. That's why Norq needs counterweights, to negate his Islamist influence.

Do you just make shit up as you go along? George W. Bush attended Yale, not Texas A&M, as did his daddy, George H. W. Bush. I wouldn't trust anything you write if you lie that blatantly.

As for Geller's accusations, they are way off base, as is shown here: http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/1945

America is not going to defeat Islamic terror (which we must do) without engaging moderate Muslims in the fight. They are the only ones who can change the attitudes of their co-religionists.

Geller's reference to the Assassins is accurate, but leaves out an important data point - that was in the 12th century.

If you don't do you homework and just buy whatever someone you like writes, then America will never get out of the mess we are in. We need intelligent, informed citizens if we are ever going to turn this thing around and save freedom.

With your standards, you will never find one.

He's been my governor for ten years, and I gotta tell you, that's the most hilarious lie I've seen written about him. I'm still laughing.

If all of your facts are as accurate as your claim that both Bushes went to Texas A&M, then readers can discount them entirely.

Whose lie what lie where the hell did I lie?

[Whose wine what wine where the hell did I dine -- Peter Frampton]

I'll quote him since you apparently can't be bothered to go read it for yourself.

"He is a Texas Aggie, as were both Bushes. and God knows we don't need any more of them. Texas A & M is a huge player in the military-industrial complex."

Both Bushes went to Yale.

Oh, wait, you meant this hilarious statement: "Perry is not Bush Jr. He's Obama Jr."

If you had any idea how silly that sounds to a Texan conservative....

1. That is not my comment.

2. How would you know what anything sounds like -- if you really were one, you would say 'Texas conservative.'

Clown!

You're too funny, Dot. Our country is sinking down the cesspool of communism, and you would rather waste your time arguing with people you don't even know who have been fighting this scourge longer than you have probably been alive. I don't need to give you my bona fides sweetie, because you haven't earned the right to see them.

Suffice it to say that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thinks I want to see his fides

Allen West sent this message to the local CAIR office who wanted an apology. His reply was "NUTS!"

Ugggh! Perry and TX Lieutenant Gov. David Dewhurst gave special recognition to Fetuhlla Gulen (see "Harmony" Charter Schools) for his "philanthropic" work. Check out what Gulen's doing today in Turkey. Arabs/Muslims put enormous amounts of investment money into Texas - all the more reason to suck up to them.

What a crock! How many Jews do you actually know in person who are from Texas? Probably none.

Try this on for size. I have very good friends in Texas, a couple, who have visited with Netanyahu in person as rockets were coming down around them. They were Jewish couple of the year for the entire state of Texas. Guess what, they LOVE Rick Perry. Husband has known Perry for DECADES as they are both big supporters of Boy Scouts, really big supporters with time and money. Wife has long been involved in education and has met Perry several times while lobbying for additional funds for the college she was on the board of. Her description is knowledgeable of all the facts, listens intently, tight with the purse strings, and always extremely fair and considerate.

Dot you don't know anything and JPost should be ashamed of itself for allowing such a dumb ignorant post, but them again there are lots of those on most websites of periodicals.

"Perry and TX Lieutenant Gov. David Dewhurst gave special recognition to Fetuhlla Gulen..."

Yet another strike against Perry! It is depressing that so many of our politicians are so obviously lacking in basic education about the facts of political Islam.

Would you have a link for that piece of information about Fetullah Gulen? Thanks.

"I have very good friends in Texas, a couple, who have visited with Netanyahu in person as rockets were coming down around them. They were Jewish couple of the year for the entire state of Texas. Guess what, they LOVE Rick Perry. Husband has known Perry for DECADES [blah blah blah]..."

Would a retort of "BFD" suffice? I'm going with that.

"How many Jews do you actually know in person who are from Texas? Probably none."

Not to dodge your question there, Citizen KKK, especially since you are telling me about me -- and wrongly.

I know precisely two Jews from Houston, Texas -- husband and wife -- whom my Methodist mother tried to convert from the day she met them until my parents retired out of state. (Forgive her, Lord.)

Would a retort of "BFD" suffice? I'm going with that.

It does for you apparently. Facts will never get in the way of your bias.

Dot, you are really getting tiring with your slanders, implying people here are sympathetic with the KKK, islamists or using sock puppets without evidence, all only because they disagree with you.

Kindly stop it.

I dunno, boys-n-girls. Looks like we're going to be picking from the lesser of two (or 3,4,etc.) evils again. The sad thing is that the majority of people seem to vote for the biggest "politician" of the bunch, which is obviously the worst thing they can do for our nation. The person who is the most charming, who looks good on TV and has far-reaching rhetoric. Just look what happened in '08. There was no logical reason to vote for Obama whatsoever. He charmed them into doing so. For God's sake, people have tattoos of this guy, and they knew noting about him!

I'm afraid Perry might just be capable of the same thing. He's a slickster. A smooth talker. And people are so fed up with Obama that they're willing to follow anyone who opposes his views. It's almost a knee-jerk reaction.

Those of us who have common sense don't seem to be the majority anymore. Very few Americans do their homework before entering the voting booth. Then they want to cry when things aren't turning out right, and start pointing fingers. That ridiculous debt ceiling debate was a prime example.

Sorry about the rant. I felt I just had to say what everyone here was already thinking...

I dunno, boys-n-girls. Looks like we're going to be picking from the lesser of two (or 3,4,etc.) evils again. The sad thing is that the majority of people seem to vote for the biggest "politician" of the bunch, which is obviously the worst thing they can do for our nation. The person who is the most charming, who looks good on TV and has far-reaching rhetoric. Just look what happened in '08. There was no logical reason to vote for Obama whatsoever. He charmed them into doing so. For God's sake, people have tattoos of this guy, and they knew nothing about him!

I'm afraid Perry might just be capable of the same thing. He's a slickster. A smooth talker. And people are so fed up with Obama that they're willing to follow anyone who opposes his views. It's almost a knee-jerk reaction.

Those of us who have common sense don't seem to be the majority anymore. Very few Americans do their homework before entering the voting booth. Then they want to cry when things aren't turning out right, and start pointing fingers. That ridiculous debt ceiling debate was a prime example.

Sorry about the rant. It really irks me that articles like this are right under peoples' noses, and they either aren't read, or not taken into consideration when the time comes to vote.

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