Germany: Turkish member of Berlin state parliament beaten for ordering pork sausage during Ramadan

Tolerance. No Compulsion In Religion Update: "Turkish MP was beaten for ordering pork sausage in Germany," from News (Armenia), August 11 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

BERLIN. - Turkish member of Berlin state parliament Orjam Mutluin was beaten in the restaurant, because he dared to order a sausage during Muslim Ramadan.

Turkish Radikal reports that the incident took place in the restaurant the owner of which is Turkish in one of famous streets of Berlin.

According to the report, the MP entered the restaurant and ordered a pork meat sausage. But the restaurant staff said that the MP should not eat pork sausage during the Ramadan. After short dispute the restaurant staff beat the MP.

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The restaurant staff said that the MP should not eat pork sausage during the Ramadan.
I thought that being a Muslim is not to eat Pork (Haram)
But by what the restaurant staff said, that it must be OK
to eat Pork the rest of the year ? Confused ? So am I.

During Ramadan, it's not OK to eat pork sausage but it's OK to watch porn!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-muslims-watchce-que-les-musulmans.html

On which famous Berlin street did this incident occur? Unter den Shariah?

If there ever existed normalcy; the Europeans supposed to have looked up, and would have seen the thickness of the dark cloud-set above them.

At that, they wouldn't have found themselves in this present state of Islamic stupor.

"The rain heavily pounding them, unfortunately is just beginning”.

A Turkish dork ordered some pork
All in the summer's heat,
The wait staff cried, "It's Ramadan!"
And him commenced to beat.

The Turk, full sore, fled out the door
From those who'd lost their grip --
The waiters cursed the kafir dog:
"He didn't leave a tip!"

Muslims are never allowed to eat pork, EVER...except for when they are.

No, they never do eat pork. Even the ones that drink alcohol, they never touch pork. Perhaps this unfortunate Turk is not a muslim, or just heavily secular.

This is hilarious!

He should have ordered a "Turkey sandwich", but he still probably been beaten for eating during Ramadan...

oh papa, you are priceless!
:)

but to comment on this incident...
folks, any and all of us jw readers, can write down 1001 headlines for 'tomorrow's news'
why?
we are not prophets. we just use common sense and extrapolation. there has not been yet an attrocity low enough that the musloids will not 'rise to the occasion' to commit. the reality is far stranger than fiction.

that being said, WHY, oh why are we not unilaterally proactive to better our environment literally and figuratively.
deportation of all musloids and their immediate and extended family to a designated musloid country!
hey! the rub'al khali is very large and very accomodating...
if the joooooos could have made the neghev desert bloom with flowers and life...surely musloids that have brought soooo many advancements to the west could do the same right? (sarc/off)

the answer to my thinking is that it is time we start to rattle the cage.
it is time that we trample their sensitivities...because we live in the west and we have free speech (so far..)and if it is ok for neo nazis to goose step in skokie illinois it CERTAINLY is more than ok to expose these fraudulent subhuman pos that have hussein the imposter as their valiant knight....

aaarrrrrrrrrgh don't get me started.

here are some more takes on this somewhat porky sounding story.

Mainstream Turkish media carries out anti-religious propaganda during Ramadan
In an interview with Today's Zaman, Mutlu denied the reports, saying: “I cannot understand how they media sources which published the distorted news reports over him make [sic] up such things. They are not true at all.

While confirming that he had an argument with two men, Mutlu said the incident did not develop as reported by the Turkish media."

Berlin MP charged in fight over currywurst
A Berlin Green Party parliamentarian has been charged with assault after he allegedly started a fight over the price of currywurst at a city snack stand last Friday.
...
Sausage seller, Oguzhan K., told the BZ newspaper that Berlin House of Representatives member Özcan Mutlu first complained about the €11 price of sausages, Fanta and fries before hitting him in the chest.

“He insulted my lunch as a ‘load of shit',” complained Oguzhan K., who sells the currywurst near the famed Brandenburg Gate. “Then he took off his glasses and hit me twice in the chest.”

Mutlu, who is an education expert for his party, describes the incident somewhat differently.
...
The whole issue is one of discrimination against him for eating during Ramadan, he said.

“This is precisely the intolerance against which I have been fighting for 20 years as a politician,” Mutlu told the newspaper.

Germany: Turkish member of Berlin state parliament beaten for ordering pork sausage during Ramadan
Tolerance.

I don't what to say. I aim speechless. Outraged. Somebody's gotta pay for this. And I'm afraid that the Pork Producers Council isn't up to he job.

The other white meat needs to stand up for itself.

*** 33:21 ***

There are many Moslems whose minds are open to dietary experimentation. I know this cuz I've served many Airport Cab drivers bacon slaps discreetly wrapped in brown paper. There's a revolution brewing out there I tellya, just like with all the young Persians hungering for freedom over there, secretly complaining about their Sumpreme Leader.

*** 33:21 ***

On the other hand, I'm conflicted about the idea of a Moslem politician getting beaten silly. I'm at a loss for words on that one, too.

That was brillitan, Papa Whiskey!

Serious query for any multiculturalists here:

What will you do when muslims do this to your fellow non-muslim citizens in your country?

Was he the only patron ordering and eating pork sausage that day? Or was he singled out because he may have been Muslim? Or were the restaurant staff enforcing their religion upon anyone they choose? Have other patrons given any testimony?

Gayle Farrow,

If the owner of the restaurant is a follower of the Hanafi Madhdhab (highly likely as he is from Turkey), then it is O.K. for him to sell pork and alcohol in his restaurant, so long as it is purchased/consumed by infidels. The fact that the Turkish MP ordered food (and pork at that) in his restaurant during Ramadhaan would be a double whammy in the eyes of even the most "liberal" Hanafi jurist.
All of this depends upon the religious status/identification of the patron involved, so if the MP was still identified as a Muslim by the owner of the restaurant, then the equivalent of the punishment meted out by the staff (a severe beating) or its equivalent would be handed out by a Shariah court anyways. On the other hand, if the MP were to be accused and convicted of open apostasy, that's a whole other ballgame...
At any rate, the philosophy and methodology behind this kind of "jurisprudence" has absolutely no place in ANY secular or western society and must be STOPPED from making inroads in our countries AT ALL COSTS.
But then again, what do I know, I'm just a filthy, hate-mongering islamophobe...

Let's take this crime to a fair hearing in a Sharia court. I assume they have them in Deutschland like they do over in Great Britain.

But the Teutonic Sharia jurists must be fair! I aim calling for justice here. That restaurant service staff was rude, and probably acted inappropriately.

Let's wait and see what Prez Barack Hussein has to say on this outrage. Nothing, I bet.

According to the report, the MP entered the restaurant and ordered a pork meat sausage. But the restaurant staff said that the MP should not eat pork sausage during the Ramadan. After short dispute the restaurant staff beat the MP.

Raven wrote, citing a further account:

Mutlu, who is an education expert for his party, describes the incident somewhat differently.
...
The whole issue is one of discrimination against him for eating during Ramadan, he said.

“This is precisely the intolerance against which I have been fighting for 20 years as a politician,” Mutlu told the newspaper.
................................

Uh...exactly what intolerance is that, MP Mutlu? The intolerance of your overbearing and violent coreligionists?

These sure weren't any Infidel Germans beating the stuffing out of you for ordering the currywurst special...

But the good parliamentarian saw an occasion for flogging (pun intended) the old horse of Muslim victimhood and took it—no matter how absurd under the circumstances...

There's no prohibition on eating during Ramadamn, only on eating during the dahytime. So, since the stories specifically mention Ramadamn, I assume that he was eating during daytime. So was he beaten for eating pork sausage (verboten at any time to Moslems) or for eating anything at all during the day in Ramadamn?
And what was a Moslem restaurant doing being open during daytime in Ramadamn? Or does "Hanafi jurisprudence" allow that too, as long as they only serve un-believers? Do they demand that their daytime patrons provide proof that they're non-Moslem? What kind of i.d. states one's religion?

The MP could always claim that he naturally thought, since it was a Moslem restaurant, that all their food would be halal, and that their sausages would be made from turkey.

Most likely is that they roughed him up after he objected to the bill. At 11 Euros (almost $16!) for a couple of sausages, some fries, and a Fanta, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd objected.

It could have been worse: he could have ordered a liter of pilsner instead of the Fanta.

I hope he's learned a lesson, and from now on will dine at the local gasthaus, and skip the Turkish grasy spoons.

One more thought: Under Shariah, does his family get to kill him for bringing dishonor on them for eating pork during the Ramadamn fast?

"One more thought: Under Shariah, does his family get to kill him for bringing dishonor on them for eating pork during the Ramadamn fast? "

hmmm.....

verhy interhesting point...

:)

Imam Abu Hanifa was indeed of the opinion that it is permissible to serve food during the daytime to the unbelievers during ramadan. He was also of the opinion that beer and certain other alcoholic beverages were permissible for muslims to drink as well. Some of the "reasoning" he uses in arriving at these and some of his other verdicts are downright hilarious for their sheer stupidity and absolute lack of logic. Much like the rest of the deen...
A cursory glance through both the "Kitaab ul-Aathaar" and "Fiqh al-Akbar" of Imam Abu Hanifa reveals the sheer imbecility and utter lack of ethics involved in the practice of shariah. But we already knew that...

The problem was he had to pay 11€ which is pretty much for two sausages in Berlin. But that's Mahoundian lifestyle, preach water and drink wine.

Here's another hit piece from the NYT, talking about that old "fascist" Geert Wilders:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/world/europe/14dutch.html

from the article cited by sanman

Willem Stuyter... broke in. “It’s already too late,” he said. “In 10 years this will be a Muslim state.”

When this happens I wonder if the left, after successfully having completed their neo-colonisation project, will go to bat for land and indigenous rights for the race of aboriginal Europeans.

As they did for example in Australian where the legislation goes like this piece of racist (apartheid legislation).

The Aboriginal Land Rights Act
"The Aboriginal Land Rights (Northern Territory) Act 1976 was the first attempt by an Australian government to legally recognise the Aboriginal system of land ownership and put into law the concept of inalienable freehold title. The Land Rights Act is a fundamental piece of social reform.

It is not perfect, and it needs improvement, but it has provided land for some Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory and so enabled them to maintain, and in some cases to re-establish, their cultural identity."

A law was created, by the same leftist mindset that calls at a drop of a hat any opponent that claims Europeans have a need for "cultural identity" a fascists (e.g. Geert Wilders, Sarrazin), that operates unabashedly on the basis of race (if you are not of the "Aboriginal Race" then you can not gain these rights).

Sanman wrote:

Here's another hit piece from the NYT, talking about that old "fascist" Geert Wilders:
..................................

Thanks for the link, Sanman. Of course, the stalwart Meinher Wilders is neither old nor a fascist.

The most egregious line (one of many):

Taboos about discussing ethnicity and race — founded in shame about delivering Dutch Jews to the Nazis — are long gone.
...........................................

**Appalling**. This associates concerns over the savagery of Islam with *enabling the Holocaust*. Grotesque—especially given the special animus Islam holds for Jews.

Guess the MP got the Mayor Bloomberg treatment.

Nothing but a bunch of worthless animals.
These 'people' are worse than the pigs they dont want to eat.

According to the German WELTONLINE it was not a cafe it was a Turkish hotdog stall IN FRONT of the Cafe Einstein in the Unter Den Linden. The MP ordered a hotdog. It is not stated it was pork. As the hotdog stall was Turkish it seems likely they were serving sausages of beef or some other variety of meat, not pork...... or is there any evidence Muslims eat pork on the quiet.

I don't get it. So, it is okay for them to eat Pork on regular days? And okay for this Turkish Muslim restaurant owner to cook and serve pork?

If their rules are so arbitrary and vary widely, why don't they leave each other alone?

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