Iraq: Kurdish mullah says female genital mutilation is obligatory in Shafi'i Islamic jurisprudence, blames "Jewish" conspiracy against it

Is this guy some kind of Islamophobe? We have often quoted the Shafi'i jurisprudence manual Umdat al-Salik (The Reliance of the Traveler), here on many matters, including female genital mutilation, noting problems with the most common English translation. Enterprising amateur apologists have turned up in the comments section to claim that it's just one book that we've plucked out of the ether to defame Islam.

One problem there is that Umdat al-Salik was, in fact, certified as "reliable" by none other than al-Azhar University in Egypt. What's their excuse for not only failing to kick it to the curb, but taking the step of certifying it? They ought to know a "misunderstanding" of Islam when they see it.

And then there's this guy, corroborating the same teachings of the Shafi'i school, and invoking chapter and verse of the Qur'an (4:34) to defend a man's "right" to beat his wife. Gee, he must have some funky translation. That's what all the apologists tell us. And yet here is an Islamic cleric who seems to have his decoder ring on backwards.

"Female Genital Mutilation 'Is an Obligation' Says Mullah in Iraqi-Kurdistan," by Thomas v. der Osten-Sacken for Stop FGM Kurdistan, August 15, via the Assyrian International News Agency:

A mullah in Iraqi-Kurdistan talked in a Friday sermon about the new bill against domestic violence that passed the parliament of Iraqi Kurdistan in June. This law also forbids the practice of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM). Various clerics and members of Islamic groups started a campaign against this law and demand from the president of the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) Mr. Massud Barzani not to sign the bill.
The mullah is one of the outspoken opponents of this bill. In his sermon he defends FGM as a Islamic practice of the Shafi'i law school. Additionally he defends the right of men to beat their women and children.
Here is a translation of some excerpts from his sermon:
A woman has the right to protest if her husband looks at her in a grim way. Allah says if a woman disobeys her husband he has the right to beat her, but the lashes should be according to the Sharia. It has conditions. (With the bill against domestic violence) the Kurdish Parliament has rejected Quranic law. (...) The parliament has also decreed that children should never be beaten for any reason. Even if the father comes home and the girl has a mobile phone in her hand that is not an excuse for beating her.
Of course she is a girl and will be encouraged in this bad world of today, she will have her mobile in front of her father flirting with boys and exchanging love phrases.. The father must sit cross handed in front of her, he must either kill himself if he has the least bit of honour left -- saying that if he doesn't do that he will lose his afterlife (...)- or he must assault his daughter who already has the numbers of the police stored on her mobile, calls this organization or that and complains that her father abuses her. The man will be put in jail for 6 months, and if the girl is not satisfied she can let him stay for 3 years and rot in jail. They will fine him 5 million ID. Is this the struggle for Kurdistan we are doing here? Is this the religion we have left? The situation is very dangerous but no one will follow you to the battlefield. The people don't have guts. If the people do have courage I will be the first to block Barzani's path. (....)
Then they come to the issue of circumcision. They have no problems left except the issue of female circumcision in Kurdistan. The mothers and sisters of more than half of your party members were circumcised. This means that you insult your own grandmother. You insult your own mother. You accuse them of ignorance. You dishonour your dead grandfather and burn his coffin for allowing the circumcision of your mother. Circumcision is a tenant [sic] of Islamic law (sharia). (...) (This bill is) to satisfy the Jews who in the conference of the Jews in Beijing discussed that female circumcision should be banned. You obey their orders and disregard the Sharia of Allah (...).

Not just the Jews. The Jews at a conference in Beijing. The conspiracy gets around!

They say if a mullah, a religious man, a father, a mother, a doctor or anyone else even mentions circumcision could be a good thing for women or if a woman feels uncomfortable and says that her mood was disturbed by that statement, she can complain to one of these organizations and agencies and they will take the mullah (...) to jail. (...) They can jail you for saying that circumcision is a good thing. The Imam Shafi'i (most Iraqi-Kurds belong to the Shafi'i law school) said circumcision is good! Aren't you following his denomination? Didn't the KRG president say that he is a Shafi'i? Your denomination says FGM is good, and that is why I am saying it is good. If you are honest in your denomination then don't accept this discussion to be held in the parliament. Imam Shafi'i is one of those who say that FGM is an obligation, that girls and women should be circumcised (...)
If I get asked about the religious ruling on FGM I must keep my silence and not dare to open my mouth. I must request to avoid this subject. As soon as I utter that FGM is good then they can arrest me. (...) If you don't accept this Mr. President you are the one who receives the project. You might say that you don't approve of the MPs. The people will love you for doing that. (...)
No longer should they ridicule our religion and believes [sic] and honours. We have made you president, you have the parliament and the oil and the money and no one is bothering you, why don't you leave our religion and honour intact?...

The full transcript and video can be found at the Stop FGM Kurdistan web page.

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As we've here before:
"Islam is a Zionist Plot"

if you compare female GM to a man, he would lose his penis! let this SOB lose his!

Last night in a dream I received the following revelation from Allah explaining to me the religious necessity for FGM:

Thus saith the Merciful One:

"Without the genital mutilation of Moslem females on earth they'll be no virgins in heaven for the martyrs to enjoy."

I don't know about you, but this makes perfectly good sense to me. Mutilated females become the virgin brides of Allah's Endless Paradise of Carnal Delights. This is their reward in the afterlife. However, an unmutilated female can redeem herself by strapping on a suicide belt and blowing up a Jew or infidel enemy. Such acts are highly pleasing to Allah

If God made all humans, and God is perfect and can't make mistakes, then what right do mere mortals have to decide whether cut off this or that part of the body designed by the Creator of the Universe as an expression of perfection?

If God had thought a clitoris was superfluous to requirements, He wouldn't have created one in the first place.

(Personally, I think it was a wonderful idea!)

This Mullah's a clown!

FGM is on the increase in England, but nothing is allowed to be said about it. Mutilating young girls is a very sick practise, and has no place in any society.
Islam is not a society, it is a cult. Cutting out a womens cliterous means nothing to the members of this cult. For them its just like casterating a bull, or slitting an animals throat, or cutting the head from an infidel. As long as they can inflict pain and suffering somewhere on somebody or some creature they,re happy. Just like any cult, the sicker the mind the more your revered.

We have special places in Britian for people like the mad mullah, they,re called asylums.

Did the Elders of Zion convene a meeting in China and forget to notify me? Oy!

OT

Just now in the News (Today Show) "zebibah-boy" al-Zawahiri was calling for "Holy War against America!"

How primitive can you get?! Uh America - You starting to comprehend Islam now? It's all about war, peace has nothing to do with it.

The mullah complains that if he complains, he will be thrown in jail. So, how is it that he is delivering a sermon complaining about not being able to complain that FGM is actually good for the women?

The real mystery is not that there are reprehensible people like him who are vicious and ignorant, but that the critical faculties of their parishioners are so degenerate that they honor these vicious, ignorant men.

I don't doubt that most Muslims in the US would not carry out these practices, especially those who have been here for a generation or more. I also don't doubt that as we bring in more Muslim immigrants, the practice will begin to take hold, and it will become dangerous for any Muslim to oppose them.

That is why I would vote for any Republican (or Democrat) who will put an effective bar to further Muslim immigration, even if he (or she) supports the rights of Muslims to build the Ground Zero Mosque.


FGM is happening right now in my suburban town in MN, USA.
Government officials just look the other way . . .

We talkin' Moslima genital mutilation by Moslem Men here? Great!

Two things:

1) Female circumcision is a happy feel good word intended to deflect. The proper name is clitoridectomy, as in snipping off the tiny organ made up of nerve endings that has made the world spin round for 2 or 3 million years now.

"Female circumcision" would result in the opposite of the intended effect: sexual pleasure for the woman.

2) I'm so proud of the frank and fearless talk on this sordid topic from our woman leaders: Sarah, Michelle, Debbie, Ba-Ba, Kirsten, Ann, Joy, Ellen, Oprah, Rachel... the whole gang of self-identified feminists. They don't back done. From anything.

"FGM is happening right now in my suburban town in MN, USA.
Government officials just look the other way . . ."

Well, obviously, it needs to be a major felony to instigate or abet any case of FGM, including a US citizen or resident sending a girl abroad to have the procedure done.

But, but, but all of the "learned scholars" of islam who "debate" or contribute articles on islam in the MSM tell me that FGM is NOT islamic and is "just an African tradition that has nothing to do with islam!"

All of you "learned scholars" lurking here should pounce on this kurd-turd for being...islamophobic! And you need to pounce on him with cries of "racist" "ignorant redneck" and "prostitute" for "disrespecting islam!"

But you never will....


APF:

It's not just "snipped off" - it's dug out by the root, down to the very bone itself.

I could almost, but not quite, excuse the Muslim community overseas for implementing this outrage (why didn't it come up in the Zayed-Spencer debate??!!). After all, they are still intellectually living in the 7th Century or thereabouts so some amount of barbarism can be expected, but not condoned.

What really has me flabbergasted is how some over here, who should know better, condone it or stay silent about it.
I'm not talking about uneducated dolts I'm talking about academics and near academics.

Below is part of a comment I sent to a Jihad Watcher the last time this topic came up.

You said The West always assumes that any harmful practice is due to simple ignorance, and is ill-equipped to recognize anything darker...such as Islam..

I agree with you but as I'm about to show, you may be understating the case.

Have a look at this New York Times article on how even a postdoctoral candidate not only supports it but went through it and is now, for lack of a better word, proselytizing for it. Ignorance was never the issue with FGM.

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/a-new-debate-on-female-circumcision/

Did you notice how she even tried to pass off the screams and tears as relating to womanly joy! I have never looked at Anthropology as being anywhere near a science but after reading the article I have to wonder if it is even a worthwhile endeavour.

This brings up an interesting point. There is an overwhelming willingness to blame patriarchal societies for FGM. I have to wonder if that is the right attribution.

A while ago, I ran across an article, well a posting, that put the blame on women. I laughed it off until I read the NYT article above. Now I have some doubts.

The link to the posting is
http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2009/04/female-circumcision-is-female-idea.html


Certainly, one of the major questions we have to be asking is "Where the hell are the feminists on this issue." They were certainly vocal enough in my day over far less egregious matters. Their silence is telling, but what is it telling.

Even Germaine Greer, the icon of the feminist movement, has failed to suitably weigh in on the issue. Considering her stature in the world of women's issues this is a dark cloud indeed. It may not be Islam dark; but it is troubling.

If anything, Greer condones FGM as is suggested by the following excerpt from a 1984 book review of Sex and Destiny


Miss Greer praises or condones practices in underdeveloped countries—abruptly dismissing clitoridectomy and the unbelievably barbaric practice of female circumcision—that she would never tolerate in her own.

The full review, if anyone cares it at:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/sex-and-destiny-by-germaine-greer/

Certainly, that review is old but I haven't found anything yet that indicates she did an about-face.


the U(seless)N(ations) should publically out law the practice world wide and order the arrest of anyone who performs such evil butchery.

A sadist defending the right of sadists to continue to HURT women and girls for fun.

Oh the "But its an African tradition" line. So why is it so prevalent amongst women in Iraqi Kurdistan? And has occured far off in Indonesia? The answer is blaringly obvious.


I'm wondering why Dr. Ahmadu, presumably an American citizen and life-long resident of America, felt compelled to travel to her ancestral homeland and undergo genital mutilation in a tribal ritual so she could "become a woman in accordance with our unique and powerful cultural heritage". If her ties and loyalty to Sierra Leone and the Kono tribe are so strong, why is she in America?

People from 'unique', non-Western cultures who emigrate to the West either practice their primitive, tribal traditions in private, or they make a big deal of them and then 'lament' the shocked reactions of Westerners. Since I am not a proponent of multiculturalism or tribalism for a variety of reasons, people like Dr. Ahmadu disgust me. They exploit everything the West has to offer that their barren, primitive netherworlds will never have and then declare the superiority of their native culture and accuse Westerners of cultural imperialism. What the Kono tribe does in Sierra Leone is of no interest to me but their cultural traditions are not compatible with ours. I hope she takes her Western education back to Sierra Leone and uses it to improve conditions in her native hellhole.

If there isn't yet a 'Kono community' in America, she will probably establish one so she can practice her 'unique and powerful cultural heritage' in the comfort, safety, and modernity of the U.S. How convenient for her.

Hi Susanp.

Good reply. It looks like you asked the same questions I did but also couldn't make sense of what this 'scientist' is up to.

I have been concerned with pseudo-sciences like anthropology and sociology for years. To me they always looked like the social engineering wing of the establishment'. When the establishment wanted to 'tinker' with our society, they would hire these 'scientists' to produce a paper justifying the need for the social engineering project.

Now, Dr. Amadu is a different kettle of fish altogether. She reminds me of some of the 'way-out-there' academics from the heyday of the women's liberation movement, albeit her ideas are the antithesis of what the women's lib movement stood for.

This women is not just giving academic approval, she is proselytizing as far as I can see. That is just sick.

By the way, I hadn't thought of the use of tribalism in the way you just applied it. When I use this term, it is to avoid using the word race, which I think is a figment of human imagination.

I prefer your use because it also handles multiculturalism in a similar fashion. What I'm driving at is that just because a society exists doesn't mean it is, or has, a culture. It may just have tribal cohesion.

This may mean there is a way of arguing around 'cultural relativism'. So when the Politically Correct doinks try to argue there is no difference (morally) between our culture and another 'culture', it may be possible to counter their argument by proving they may be making an apples and oranges comparison.

As an example, the West is a culture but Islam is not a culture. It is a tribal (multi-tribal) organization given cohesion by a set of codes of conduct.

If so, then Islam it is not 'protected' under the liberal left's concept that all cultures are equal.

Therefore our culture is right to react against Islamization because we are reacting to a tribal structure not a culture with equal validity to our own.

Because Islam is not a culture, it is proper to expect its adherents to assimilate into our culture.


Interesting. Thanx for the idea.

Is there any limit to absurdity and foolishness??? Are they so retarded as to blame any and everything on Jews? I'd read an American blogger who stayed in Yemen for few years reporting that the 'Khat leaf' chewing delirious population there believes that the Jews spray chemicals on their crops from planes flying at 'invisible heights!' These chemicals are a part of Jewish 'conspiracy' to render the Arab Yemeni men incapable of 'making children'.

Imagine planes flying at 'invisible heights' and targeting some Muhammed so-and-so's crop so that Mu...... is infertile!? How will a plane target farms from 'invisible heights' when there is something called 'Wind' in between? You God forsaken Idiots!!??

And the more I read around, talk to such 'intelligent folks' on chats, read Robert's articles, follow news debates, it becomes disheartening! In times when the whole humanity should be designing smarter chips, helping the poor, removing ignorance, defeating incurable diseases and all the goodness, instead, we have Millions of such morons at hand spinning bizarre c**p and contributing nothing more than Suicide bombings and more Jihad!!

And the politicians want multiculturalism with these idiots surviving on tax payer's money; contributing nothing to society other than cr*p conspiracies and Jihad! I guess politicians beat these guys in moron-O-meter!

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