Libya: Senior rebel allied with National Transitional Council once spent time with al-Qaeda in Afghanistan

The world is left to hold its breath and cross its fingers that this group will somehow pull a tolerant, stable, pluralistic democracy that respects civil liberties and human rights out of its hat. They may pull off an election, but a democracy is only as good as the values that inform its participants. And where Sharia is enshrined in the draft constitution as the highest law of the land, there is that much more reason for skepticism. "RPT-Senior Islamist rebel is veteran Gaddafi foe," by William MacLean for Reuters, August 27:

LONDON, Aug 26 (Reuters) - A senior Islamist rebel reported to have helped depose Muammar Gaddafi is a skilled guerrilla leader and veteran dissident who led a failed revolt in Libya in the 1990s and once spent time with al Qaeda leaders in Afghanistan, security experts say.
Abdel Hakim Belhadj, reported by Arab media to have been prominent in the assault on Tripoli, helps lead an Islamist group that has fought in close cooperation with the main rebel National Transitional Council (NTC), analysts say.
The Libyan Islamic Movement for Change (Al-Haraka Al-Islamiya Al Libiya Lit-Tahghir), is made up of former members of the now defunct Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) that once plotted against Gaddafi from Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.
Belhadj, in his late 40s and also known as Abu Abdullah al-Sadeq, is a highly skilled leader, said Noman Benotman, a former associate and fellow LIFG commander.
Benotman said he was concerned that some Western officials would seize on his presence in Tripoli to try to argue that militant Islamists were about to try to hijack the revolution.
In fact, Belhaj was capable of seeing the importance of suppporting the NTC, he said.
"The burden on him now must be very great. I hope and believe he is capable of taking very wise decisions and analysing correctly the struggle he has recently waged."
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the NTC on Thursday that one of its commitments was now to take "a firm stand against violent extremism", a remark seen by some analysts as a reference to Islamist fighters in its ranks. [...]
Belhadj, in common with many Arab dissidents who sought refuge in 1990s Afghanistan, had dealings with Osama bin Laden there, but opposed al Qaeda's transnational anti-Western campaign including its Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, Benotman said.
Instead, Belhadj spent his time in Afghanistan trying to rebuild LIFG networks back inside Libya in its campaign to replace Gaddafi with an Islamic state, Benotman said.

Hoping for jihadists-turned-pragmatists, who will also use that pragmatism to build a modern state:

"He has more of a political mindset than a religious mindset," he said. "He always managed to keep a distance between bin Laden and our struggle (in Libya)."
Camille Tawil, a historian of North African Islamist militancy, has said Belhadj sought refuge in Afghanistan in 1999 after Gaddafi's security men had decimated LIFG networks.
The LIFG was careful not to emulate al Qaeda's practice of acting as a "state within a state" in Afghanistan -- a criticism often levelled privately against bin Laden by supporters of the ruling Taliban at that time, he wrote in a Jan 9, 2009 briefing for the Jamestown Foundation think-tank.
When al Qaeda in 2007 announced a merger with the LIFG, Belhadj and his fellow leaders -- by then in Libyan prisons -- rejected the move and in 2009 publicly renounced violence.

Sharia imposed by any means is still Sharia.

In an Aug. 3 briefing paper published by the British Quilliam think tank where he now works, Benotman said al Qaeda-style global jihadists were present in the rebellion but they were a minority.

A Tiny Minority of Extremists?

In contrast, Belhadj's Libyan Islamic Movement for Change accepted the idea of a new democratic Libya and "they have made it clear they will engage in and participate in any political process in the post-Gaddafi era.

Once again: a democracy is only as good as the values that inform its participants.

"Because they accept the democratic system they cannot be considered 'jihadists' in the international understanding of the term. They are also opposed to more extreme jihadists such as those from al Qaeda," he said.

He's gaining "moderate" credentials, because he's not as bad as the next guy.

After the U.S-led invasion of Afghanistan, Belhadj fled to Iran and later south-east Asia where he is believed to have been arrested. He was handed over to Libya in 2004 in circumstances that remain unclear.
Under a programme of political reconciliation promoted by Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, Belhadj and other imprisoned LIFG leaders began talks with the government in 2007 that led to the release from prison of hundreds of LIFG members and other Islamists. Belhadj himself was freed on March 23, 2010.
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Like many countries in the region, Libyan society is tribal. The tribe is primary in the loyalty of most of the people.

Democracy in the western sense will simply not work in Libya. Tribal politics are generally very complex. It's hard to imagine a scenario where US State Department interference will not make matters worse. Is the jihadist and Islamist or is he not? The ones who should make that determination are the tribal leaders, who will have to live with their choice. If they are wrong, they'll see their wives and daughters encased in burkhas and shut out of education, just like Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Why am I not surprised that such news about the new Libyan regime comes trickling out of the woodwork?

Like many countries in the region, Libyan society has been brainwashed by Islamic cleric's and rulers. Egypt. Libya, Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and any other Islamic country has made it choice. They have submited and they are Islamic. Many other countries are on the line waiting to see which way they will fall.

A country is either for Islam or is not Islam. The free world in general does not began to understand Islam or Sharia Law. And until it does it can not effectivelly evalueate such issues. The free world wants to believe Islam is like their nation in principle. But that is clearly not true.

If Islam were a huge torch, the rest of the world be like an ice berg standing in its way. Which is to say one day the torch will burn its way through and past the ice berg as it melts from the heat of the torch.

Make no mistake the two can never be good neighbors. Islam is like an ideology all its own. It hasn't room for any other ideology. If it says it does it is lieing. Look around the world and see for yourself. Islam doesn't want to get along with kuffars (non-Mulims). Islam fully intends to force other cultures to submit to Islam or be killed. They have told the free world this a hundered times.

What made us think Egypt and Libyia would be better countries after the rebels won success.? Haven't we learned anything after decades of this deadly nonesense.? These things are very clear to me: Islam will never admit guilt, Islam will never except kuffars as Godly humans, and Islam is very very commited and successful with their jihad world wide. It is like cancer, it can not be seen but it is a deadly killer just the same.

Until the free world completly understands Islam and its bloody past, it will never take the jihad or Islam seriously. It is true that, "you must know your enemy before you can deal with him properly". So far the free world can't even see that Islam is an enemy.

The ignorants is the scariest thing about all of this not Islams sick ideology. Those of us whom are educated with Islams past are thought to be bigots and full of hate towards the Muslims. And yet no Muslim has ever died at the hands of telling the truth. Truth be known Muslims are being harmed by following the teachings of Islam.

One thing is certain, Islam and non-Muslims (kufars) will never be good neighbors no matter how much the kuffar shows kindness or is understanding towards Islam. Because that is seen as a weakness by the Muslims. It could be said that we kuffars are our own worsed enemy because of our understandings of civil law and forgiveness and our poor understandings of Islam.

We keep hoping for a better tomorrow and happier times. But Islam doesn't think like we kuffars do. Islam will be happy when the last kuffar is killed and not one day before that.

Sorry, I'm repeating myself. "Happy Trails".....

''We keep hoping for a better tomorrow and happier times. But Islam doesn't think like we kuffars do. Islam will be happy when the last kuffar is killed and not one day before that.''

And then they will really go to town on killing each other.

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