Where American law and practice conflict with Islamic law and practice, American law and practice have to give way. That is the way it always is. Otherwise, there will be violence. "Police arrest 15 at Playland in dispute over Muslim headwear," by Rebecca Baker and Jonathan Bandler for LoHud.com, August 30 (thanks to all who sent this in):
RYE — A large disturbance broke out at Playland Park today when Muslim visitors got angry that the park was enforcing its ban on headgear by prohibiting the women from wearing their traditional head coverings on some rides.Police from at least nine other agencies converged on the park beginning at 3 p.m. after county police sought assistance in responding to the disturbance, which involved about 30 to 40 people. Twelve men and three women were arrested, mostly for disorderly conduct, and two park rangers were injured, authorities said. Two people were charged with felony assault after, officials said, they attacked park rangers.
The park was crowded with Muslims celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr, one of Islam's two major holidays. Most were from community groups around New York City as part of a day-long event arranged by the Muslim American Society of New York.
The Muslim American Society is the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. So it is no surprise that they expected the park to jump to do their bidding and change their policies to suit them.
Parks officials had “painstakingly” told the organizer about the headgear ban, said parks spokesman Peter Tartaglia, but he said that the rules might not have been communicated by the organizer to some attendees. The ban was implemented about four years ago to keep hats and other head coverings from landing on tracks and derailing rides.“It’s a safety issue on rides. If it’s a scarf, you could choke,” Tartaglia said.
Accounts of what had happened varied, but everyone agreed the dispute began after park-goers were told the headgear ban applied to women wearing traditional Muslim head coverings, known as hijabs.
Tartaglia said once word of that got out there were “a lot of unhappy people.”...
Lola Ali, 16, of Astoria said she had witnessed a group of girls and women wearing hijabs go to park security to confront them about the headgear issue.
Men within the park saw this and tried to intervene, Ali said, and the situation went downhill from there.
“They were beating down the girls then they started beating down the guys,” she said of the security officers.
Earlier, a park cashier told a Journal News reporter that a woman wearing a hijab either pushed or hit a ride operator who forbade her from going on the ride. She said a police officer tried to restrain the woman and the woman’s husband took offense, at which point a multiple-person fight broke out.
The park was never closed to attendees but for a time new visitors were not being allowed in. Crowds were being turned away at Playland Parkway and Forest Avenue. Officials said late in the afternoon that they were slowly reopening the park to new visitors and that the group’s religious ceremony planned for 9 p.m. could still occur....
Brooklyn resident Amr Khater, who had come to the park at about noon with his family, said his family was told about the hijab rule by park employees when they arrived.
“Everybody got mad, everybody got upset,” he said. “It’s our holiday. Why would you do this to us?”...
It's your holiday. That doesn't mean you can make Playland bend to your will and change its longstanding safety policies, that were not formulated in order to victimize you.
At 4:30 p.m., more than an hour and a half after the incident started, nearly three dozen cruisers blocked Playland's entrance and a helicopter was flying overhead. A reporter counted nearly 60 cruisers on the scene from various agencies....Playland's policies, posted on its website, include: "All items and clothing must be appropriately secured while on a ride; some smaller items can be stored/secured in cargo pockets or waist pouches. Hats must be secured, and jackets/sweaters must be worn properly and not around the waist while on a ride. Some rides do not allow backpacks, purses or head gear of any kind."...
Oh, the Islamophobia!
These Muslimas who are always crying modesty and piousness are just as violent and behave like thugs just like Muslim males.
Issues involving "distinctive" clothing,
rules set in place for objective reasons,
fighting,
yelling,
large numbers of angry "people" (whose common identity is not revealed but we soon enough learn from "context"),
police involvement,
arrests,
injuries,
I think I'm having a stereotypical Muslim moment. I better go have a lie-down,
Now about this whole business of Muslims being at a Western (and therefore decadent and therefore unislamic) amusement park, haven't the great islamic scholars of the ages had something to say about that?
Why,yes; glad you asked. Ayatolah Khomeini
- yes, that ever so lovable Khomeini - http://marcio9.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ayatollah-khomeini.jpg
rendered some rather sobering thoughts about human amusements:
The great prophet of Islam [Big Mo himself, -ed.] carried in one hand the Koran and in the other a sword; the sword for crushing the traitors and the Koran for guidance. … Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for other people. … We shall export our revolution to the whole world. Until the cry “There is no God but God” resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle.
This is the same Khomeini who said, "There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious."
Now seriously, muslimas, you're violating islam just by being in this park.
Oh, BTW, while Mo may have traipsed around the ancient world carrying a koran and a sword, neither of these, particularly the sword thingy, is allowed on the rides at Playland Park.
Think of all the fun you get meeting Muslims partying at Playland Parks. As the old song goes:
"Night or daytime, it's all playtime
Ain't we got fun?
Hot or cold days, any old days
Ain't we got fun"
And it gets funnier and funnier al the time. ;-)
“Everybody got mad, everybody got upset,” he said. “It’s our holiday. Why would you do this to us?”...
It's our country, so follow our rules or catch the next floating door back to the hellhole they kicked you out of.
Two weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Islamic attacks on our nation and these retrogrades are pulling this kind of shit?
What a pen full of pigs.
... a police officer tried to restrain the woman and the woman’s husband took offense,
Now don't be offending no Moslems, they take offense to that. The police shoulda just kissed their holier-than-thou asses and been done with it, just like two very important Westerchester County residents, Bill & Hillary, have made millions doing.
... at which point a multiple-person fight broke out.
Religious riot is more like it. And a puny one, true, nothing like the ones in India. But give this small pack of aggrieved Moslems a break, they're new to America, and this is a work in progress.
Complying with infidel safety rules at infidel institutions is UN-Islamic...
Wow, isn't it great we have Muslims here? They add so much.
What a pen full of pigs.
There are well established and proven best practices for handling pig pen populations. I'm not sure they're constitutional in this case, though. That depends on whether one wishes to accord human rights to them.
The Moslems, I mean.
hey did not the iranian khomeni said there was no fun in islam! how dare these muslims go to "Playland"!
... how dare these muslims go to "Playland"!
They were off duty, for Chrissakes. Moslems need a break like any working stiff, for example, like off duty cops.
And that's basically what Moslems are: cops. Cops of the moral universe, the police of ideals. Moslems are basically a SWAT team that constantly bitches and moans and bickers during the boring lulls between action sequences, when they quickly become a well tuned unit like a cloud of black flies on sheet, scripture sheet.
ok here i go again!
this could be the perfect example of 'the anatomy of deportation'...
golden opportunity folks!
do not let it go to waste!
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/family-sees-mother-strangled-by-hijab-in-freak-gokarting-accident-20100408-rvci.html
What a strange way to celebrate a pagan holiday. Always trying to break the rules, rules made to protect public safety. They were told in advance that no head wear was allowed but they expected preferential treatment because they think they are special. How humiliating it must be for them to be treated like what they are--- a gang of disruptive, rowdy, aggressive thugs who always resort to violence when they don't get their way. Before this is over, the park will be sued and forced to pay them for their pain, suffering, and embarrassment. Apologies will be made for failure to respect muslim sensitivities and discrimination against islam, and the owners and employees will be subjected to mandatory training on how to treat their superiors.
There's no telling how far it will go; they might end up owning the place. No price is too high to avoid offending savages. After all, multiculturalism, the most prized and sacred of all ideologies, would not be complete without belligerent, supremacist muslims to despoil every nook and cranny of American culture. Nothing is sacred to the alien invaders and they have no shame.
No Fear, thanks. I had forgotten about that incident. That would have been terrible to happen again.
I haven't been to Playland in years and years. It was a lot of fun. And, even then they were safety orientated. I remember the height rules and so on. They were strict.
What I notice from the various articles is that Playland was specific about their requirements to the tour operator and that some how it was not well passed on to all the people who joined the tour.
How does the organization miss some people and not others (considering Playland has specifically addressed this as a potential concern for any and all of their attendees)?
We haven't heard anything from the tour operator about their view of how this happened. That will be interesting to hear.
Some of the news articles mentioned that refunds had been offered.
I define and treat cultural sensitivity as a a person of a minority group being sensitive to and conforming to the culture, laws and norms of the majority. Muslims demand that others are sensitive to their culture. I demand that sensitivity and respect is a two way street.
Can you imagine how quick these creatures would be to sue if their headgear got caught in the machinery of an amusement park ride?
It's simple! Just switch off the power for the rides. Nothing moves until the headgear is taken off.
Here is a Westchester news video clip of the ridiculousness taken by a Muslim bystander.
http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=291019&position=1&news_type=news
"traditional head coverings"- that's a lie, just like everything else.
The hijabs, burqas, niqabs and other shrouds are spreading do to Islamization, Arab imperialism and jihad indoctrination.
Only a few decades ago, even in the most backward Islamic countries the freedom sack was not common.
Its pure terror, against their own women and against us, the kuffar.
Video: Cover women heads
– Quran 24:31, 33:59 fatwas & ahadith Sahih
http://newstime.co.nz/cover-women-heads.html
fatwa No. 11059 "... to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) [al-Noor24:31] ..."
Muslim source:
Da’wah: invitation to Islam is the highest duty of a Muslim
playing Taqiyyah: the Holy Deception (3:28, 16:106, 5:51)
"In this life, humans lose preciousness by inches, until they die"
Is America dieing or dead?
From this news, it is clear that some Companies and individual employees in US know the hour of the day in the fight against Islamic Tsunami; and of course their collective responsibility to protect civility in a free society.
It is the Politicians that - without doubt, are proving that "...a dog can eat the bone, hung on its neck"
Hysterical, thin skinned idiots reacting to the audacity of the kufar to enforce rules on THEM. After all it is THEIR holiday.
BTW " The Muslim holiday of Id al Fitr commemorates the end of the month of Ramadan. But did you know the feast was originally instituted as a celebration of the supremacy of Islam over non-Muslims?"
I guess they resented us showing them who's really supreme?
I'm sure that the males had to remove any skullcaps, also.
Don't forget that they were not only endangering themselves, but infidel riders as well. Not that they care about that, of course. But park officials were properly concerned about their own liability no matter who could have been endangered.
This combines three standard Muslim tactics of domination of public space, then playing the race card, followed by litigation jihad.
P.S. Now they are getting more confident, arrogant and aggressive as their numbers increase, watch out for some major stunts in the run up to Christmas.
But wait Muslims have always gotten their way prior to this. I mean Muslims are special here in the U.S., they always get their way.
And now when they are told they'll have to obey the local laws and rules the Muslim take it personal.
Here's what comes to mind when I think of this ordeal.
1. Muslims do not except any law except Sharia Law. That includes park laws, local laws, and federal laws. Muslims are never to obey any law other than Sharia Law. Being a Muslim is a full time commitment and submission to Islam.
2. Why should Muslims have to obey any other law at this late date? They haven't had to do so prior to this event.
3. Muslims like to be the victom. Haven't you ever noticed that they need to be the victom on ever issue. Americans have always bought into this in the past and sided with the Muslims. Now they have been told they have to obey the park laws and they instently become the victoms. Those wicked park security guards were picking on us Muslims again, says the Muslims.
4. Muslims always think they are innocent no matter what. They've been playing that trump card for several decades now. And again the Americans have always given into it.
5. I've learned that our legislators have very little knowledge of Islam. So they have to believe what the Muslims are telling them, because they don't know any better. Muslims have always been treated special so they expect it.
6. In the past its always been the non-Muslim that has gone to jail. So this if its true is a first. I'll bet a million dollars the charges are dropped prior to any court date. Why? Because it is not politically correct to jail a Muslim no matter what.
7. Muslims expect the host nation to give in to them on every issue. Its the host nation that must change for they Muslim, and not the Muslim change to the nations laws. Its always been that way so Muslims expect it.
8. Muslims have no respect for any other humans except Muslims. The world should have learned that back in the 7th and 8th century.
9. Muslims are commited, motivated,, submitted, to Sharia Law. There is no exceptions. Islams ideology needs no other culture, faith, laws, or friendships. Non-Muslims are thought of as kuffars and all kuffars should submit to Islam or be killed. That has been Islams I.D. card for 1400 years. I doubt if N.Y.'s park police will be able to change that.
10. In every case the Muslim is alawys innocent and all other Muslims will come too their aid against kuffars. We should all know that by now. If we haven't learned by now we may never learn anything about Islam and its Sharia Law.
In general kufars are ignorant human beings when it comes to Islam. But they are too proud to admit it.
I am glad that the police acted robustly. From the video that was posted above, http://www.news12.com/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=291019&position=1&news_type=news, I was not able to see undue force applied by the police.
I note that in the video clip the rioters were referred to as "Muslim-Americans" presumably to distinguish them from Lutheran-Americans or Baptist-Americans or (insert religious affiliation here)-Americans who are also known to riot at, how shall we say, the drop of a hat??
I note that one of the Moslem onlookers described the situation as starting when two girls were fighting (Which girls? A Moslem girl and a female ride operator? Who started it?) and other girls (Which girls? Other female ride operators? Other Moslem girls?) went to break it up (Ahh! Moslem girls then! "Religion of Peace," doncha know!), then followed by the police who got out of hand.
Is it just me or does this story sound like filth flies buzzing around a pile of poo?
I note that at the end of the clip a spokesman described how both sides got out of hand. Really! Do tell! So how is it that two park rangers had to be hospitalized yet none of the rioters were?
Moslems must either submit to Western law or they must leave Western lands. And we in the West have absolutely got to get over the reluctance we have of deporting lawless elements and their families, to the second degree of relation. We are under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant, to bend our laws for those who seek to supplant them altogether.
Obviously, since Mohammed himself was allowed to wear his turban when getting on the flying horse these people fail to understand that the safety standards and procedures for such wild rides have been improved in the last 1400 years.
Yep, and if an accident with the scraf did happen, the Muslims would sue the %$*& out of the park.
It's not as if accidents, fatal ones, dont happen, here is a report of it happening in an amusement park:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/family-sees-mother-strangled-by-hijab-in-freak-gokarting-accident-20100408-rvci.html
I'm sure there are more out there, but nooo, Muslims always think they are the victim of 'islamophobia' and/or they have a right to flaunt any infidel rules they want as they are 'superior and the best of humans'!
Then they wonder why non-Muslims have a problem with Islam. Sigh....
What do Muslims Really Celebrate on Id al-Fitr?
the celebration of a Muslim military victory over non-Muslims.
The Muslim holiday of Id al-Fitr is one of the two most important holidays on the Islamic calendar. Usually marked on the day after the last day of Ramadan, Id al-Fitr celebrates the end of the holy month of fasting. But it also has another meaning for Muslims that dates to the earliest days of Islam.
In 622 CE, the Muslim Prophet Muhammad and his small band of followers embarked on the hijjra and left the city of Mecca for Medina to the north. In Medina, the group found acceptance and safe haven. Secure there from their Meccan enemies, these early Muslims set about building up their war chests by raiding Meccan camel caravans that traveled between Damascus and the Levantine coast and the interior of the Peninsula. Those successful expeditions attracted even more followers to Islam and built up Muhammad's military forces as well as his financial coffers.
Two years later, in 624 CE, Muhammad felt strong enough to move against his old enemies, the pagan Quraish tribe that dominated Mecca. In the Battle of Badr, a smallish force of about 300 Muslims defeated a much larger Quraish force and brought back loads of booty. This battle was a significant turning point for Islam and is celebrated to this day as the Id al-Fitr.
Because 21st century Muslims are not always so eager to call attention to their celebration of a military victory over infidels, the real meaning of Id al-Fitr is often submerged beneath the overall celebration of the end of Ramadan.
The non-Muslim world, every bit as much a target for the forces of jihad today as it was in the 7th century, needs to understand the original meaning of this Islamic holiday so that it will not be fooled by disingenuous attempts to put an acceptable gloss on what is, in fact, the celebration of a Muslim military victory over non-Muslims.
Yes, the hijab-related death was completely avoidable.
As tempting as it may be permit Darwin it's way with the hijab on amusement park rides, common sense steps in as such foolishness brings undue risk to all amusement park passengers.
At the video link provided by VGardenz above, commenters reveal there is no such restriction at Six Flags Great Adventure amusement park which is confirmed in the park's online
Wonder if 6 Flags Great Adventure's 'Dress Code' changes after this incident at Rye Playland since they too offer their own Muslim Family Day .
Additionally, for those who might be considering going to Great Adventure in NJ . . .the Muslim Family Day is scheduled for September 16th from 10am to 10pm. Since the Six Flags web site DOES NOT mention any safety concerns about hijabs or loose fabric or headgear on amusement park rides, one might want to reconsider their patronage, on that day, based on the increased potential for unnecessary risks imposed by lack of such considerations.
So far, so Islamic. As most of us know but seemingly not our politicians, msm or mainstream opinion formers who would prefer to hide their heads in the sand, Islam is predicated on the Koran, the Hadith and Shariah.
To have any kind of insight or understanding of what drives their psyche one must at the very least have some knowledge of those drivers. Then and only then can we tackle this virus which first insinuates into our societies then when secure in the knowledge that our PC, multicultural and pluralistic systems will protect them, they attack.
That they are attacking the very democracy which ensure their security within western civilisations seems to elude this creed but that's another matter. And I think the seedling of their downfall outside the Dar al Islam.
Here's what the estimable Bat Yeor has to say by way of explanation.
'According to Islam, the political world is divided into "Houses," The first being Dar al Islam, or "House of Islam," - the Muslim nations and the second being Dar al Harb, or "House of War" - the non-Muslim nations. In effect, this second is a sort of "free fire zone" (my words) for Muslims. In between, there is often a condition known as Dar al Suhl, or "House of Truce," a status which may be achieved by a non-Muslim nation that enters into a Hudna (truce) with Dar al Islam.
The truce only lasts for 4 months, although it may be renewed for up to ten years according to Islamic Law, however in practice it was often extended for a longer period if Islam was not yet strong enough to defeat the non-believers. In return for being considered Dar al Suhl, a nation had to agree to certain conditions. Among these was to allow "Dawa," or proselytizing, as well as the construction of Mosques in their territory, which, of course, would provide for their weakening when the Hudna passed.'
She of course is right on the nail.
My view is that many Muslims who emigrate feel quite empowered by this set up and that they are, indeed entering the Suhl whereby we have relinquished our cultural, societal and legal hegemonies by way of multicultural tenets and that the land of the infidel is fair game.
That’s what’s going on here as their innate sense of superiority rises unhindered and bit by bit they are eating away at whatever stands we make against this gross invasion.
They’ve learned the game, the buzzwords, the liberal orthodoxies and now manipulate, threaten and as we see here, resort to violence when a minor setback to their sense of honour is encountered.
However, when countered by strength they wither and as our blitzkrieg attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan showed, all that braggadocio and bombast counts for naught when faced with an overwhelming and implacable force. Another example is the rule of British India by a mere handful of troops overseeing a land of over 500 million.
Where was the honour there? The answer is again discoverable within Islam and its archetypal spokesman, Bin Laden when he said,'people will always follow the strong horse'.
So, we who not only have strong horses but political, organisational, military and technological assets capable of dealing with our problems both domestically and internationally ignore all the warnings and plough on as if all the Koranic and islamist evidence is a mere joke.
We are, indeed lions lead by donkeys.
Great idea. Count me in.
Sheik yer'mami, thank you for pointing out the real origin of Eid al-Fitr. I didn't know!
I found this lurking in cyber-space.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/denmark/TPAH0GSV5DP79SJH2
"New Ali", who is apparently not a Muslim, is not particularly well informed, since he believes "thousands" of Muslims were murdered in Mecca, whereas in fact only one person was. But his description of the first Fitr is chillingly graphic.
uh hmmm ...I guess you missed my post above?
"BTW " The Muslim holiday of Id al Fitr commemorates the end of the month of Ramadan. But did you know the feast was originally instituted as a celebration of the supremacy of Islam over non-Muslims?"
I don't mind being ignored most of the time but blatant disregard needs to be addressed.
Sorry you felt ignored. But, as I said, I didn't know the origin of Fitr. So your comment about the "celebration of the supremacy of Islam over non-Muslims" was too vague to mean anything to me. I do tend to ignore remarks on this forum that deal with the general rather than the specific.
Sheik Yer'Mami wrote:
What do Muslims Really Celebrate on Id al-Fitr?
the celebration of a Muslim military victory over non-Muslims...
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Sheik Yer'Mami and when*pigs*fly, thanks for pointing out the ugly origins of the "holiday" of Eid al-Fitr. It always amazes me that clueless Kaffirs assume Eid is entirely benign.
when*pigs*fly wrote:
I don't mind being ignored most of the time but blatant disregard needs to be addressed.
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when*pigs*fly, this happens to anyone who posts here frequently, as you must have noticed. Sometimes someone will post a lengthy comment on some matter, and then you will find a comment a few posts down by someone who clearly has not read the first comment.
I have been in both positions—I've posted entire treatises on some matter or other and found that few of the subsequent posters seem to have read the comment—and I have also posted in a hurry on some thread where I have not had time to read the comments, then found to my embarrassment that someone else has already dealt with that exact same issue, often better than I have done.
None of this entails "blatant disregard". I have learned a *great deal* from many posters here, including yourself—but it is well to keep in mind that no one here is obligated to read all the comments, nor to heed them if they *have* read them.
This is a wonderful forum, but we are all just guests in the Jihad Watch "living room", and must act accordingly.
@ gravenimage
Thanks for your post. Yesterday was a bad day and the "blatant disregard" rubbed me the wrong way. I do not apologize for voicing my opinion and I feel that I do conduct myself well in the Jihad Watch "living room", better than some I could name. If you feel differently I know you will feel free to let me know.
wow...the bigotry and racism on this page....i serve the great nation as an NCO in the Air Force and to see the blatantly racist comments embarrasses the hell out of me and frankly is a slam and disrespect to my service to this country and to all those who have served this country....i can't believe i protect your rights to speak like this and I cant believe that americans have died protecting your rights to be racist bigots....yes it is true this situation got blown out proportion but it does not warrant racism!!
"to see the blatantly racist comments embarrasses the hell out of me"....." died protecting your rights to be racist bigots"......." it does not warrant racism!!"
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Exactly what "race" are you talking about?
im sorry, since there really isn't a word to describe the discriminatory comments made about the muslim religion....i felt racism was as close as i could get....but hey...nice way to deflect the actual bigotry on this thread!!!
discrimination, prejudice, bigot....pick one....sorry to offend by saying racist (insert sarcasm)....so pick one of the other three....
Maybe you would be happier in any islamofascist state then -- you know, the ones where women and anyone not muslime are treated legally as second class citizens and WORSE.
Since you consider the comments on this thread : ''discrimination, prejudice, bigot...'' , could you please explain how you would describe the behaviour of these *muslims* at this amusement park ?
when*pigs*fly wrote:
Thanks for your post. Yesterday was a bad day and the "blatant disregard" rubbed me the wrong way. I do not apologize for voicing my opinion and I feel that I do conduct myself well in the Jihad Watch "living room", better than some I could name. If you feel differently I know you will feel free to let me know.
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Not at all—I always look forward to your posts. Thanks for replying.
Melinda Martinez Grisby wrote:
wow...the bigotry and racism on this page....i serve the great nation as an NCO in the Air Force and to see the blatantly racist comments embarrasses the hell out of me and frankly is a slam and disrespect to my service to this country and to all those who have served this country....i can't believe i protect your rights to speak like this and I cant believe that americans have died protecting your rights to be racist bigots....yes it is true this situation got blown out proportion but it does not warrant racism!!
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Ms. Grisby, people here object to the idea that Muslims would respond to a simple and clearly posted safety measure by rioting, necessitating a hundred police officers to be called out, and *putting two park rangers in the hospital*, all while loudly claiming victimhood and discrimination.
I find it odd that you don't consider *this* to constitute a slam and disrespect to your service.
And keep in mind—while this is, too my knowledge, the first violent riot over the Hijab in America, I very much doubt it will be the last.
Women and girls who have balked at wearing the Hijab have been murdered, including a girl in Canada—Aqsa Parvez.
I don't believe this is what you and your fellow servicemen are fighting for, either.
1st of all, i stated in my post that the situation was blow out of proportion. I never said they were right in what they did.
2nd of all i never said the entire thread was full of bigots, i just stated that I had seen many racist comments.
let me show u the examples of what I mean.
"These Muslimas who are always crying modesty and piousness are just as violent and behave like thugs just like Muslim males."
"It's our country, so follow our rules or catch the next floating door back to the hellhole they kicked you out of."
"What a pen full of pigs."
"There are well established and proven best practices for handling pig pen populations. I'm not sure they're constitutional in this case, though. That depends on whether one wishes to accord human rights to them.The Moslems, I mean."
"No price is too high to avoid offending savages. After all, multiculturalism, the most prized and sacred of all ideologies, would not be complete without belligerent, supremacist muslims to despoil every nook and cranny of American culture. Nothing is sacred to the alien invaders and they have no shame. "this could be the perfect example of 'the anatomy of deportation'"
"Moslems must either submit to Western law or they must leave Western lands."
So please tell me these comments that I pulled directly from this forum are not at all in the least bit discriminatory, prejudice and bigotry.
This is what people die to defend.
Now I'm sure I will get the load of bullshit free speech blah blah blah , however it doesn't make it right to say it.
Oh and lets not forget that I and thousands of others defend this countries freedom of religion, so all this bullshit being said that they need to return to "their country" makes me laugh, considering Islam is found in most of the countries around the world.
Muslims and Islam have been in this country for decades, this is not something new people, they just didnt show up here in the last ten years.
and for those of you who sit here and claim to be good christians, let me remind you, it is not your place to judge and for damn sure not to speak the way you speak of another's religion.
hmmmm....sounds like the civil rights act that many fought so hard for had just been completely trampled and disrespected.
oh and lets not forget, stereotyping means grouping together a whole race, religion, ect on the actions of a few....not all muslims act this way and not all muslims are terrorists and jihadist.
last but not least....have any of you idiots thought that you do add fuel to the fire for the Muslim extremists....when they see you hatred towards them they only have more ammunition to further tier cause....wake up people,,,dont fuel the fire.
my experiences while deployed to Iraq and interacting with the people have showed me a much different side of what i "thought" were muslim practices and I can tell you that a lot of what is being posted is a lot of ignorant people who spend their day on google, net surfing "facts" and not actually taking the time out to speak to Muslims who do not share the terrorists view points, because the majority of muslims do not.....very few actually have extreme islamic views.
Gravenimage has eloquently answered your post, but I note you make no substantive reply to any of her points. A few things *I* would like you to answer :
1. You say : ''1st of all, i stated in my post that the situation was blow out of proportion. I never said they were right in what they did.''
Isn't it true to say that 'what they did', was to deliberately disregard the safety rules of the park (designed as much for *their* benefit as anyone elses) and attempt to force the park rangers to abrogate the rule in *their* favour ? Thereby *causing* a situation which resulted in many other people having their day of pleasure spoiled ? These are the actions/behaviours of spoiled brats who demand that everyone aquiesces to *their* wants.
'' Lola Ali, 16, of Astoria said she had witnessed a group of girls and women wearing hijabs go to park security to confront them about the headgear issue.
Men within the park saw this and tried to intervene, Ali said, and the situation went downhill from there.''
They deliberately went to park security to *confront* them about the rule, *which they had been told about in advance.*
I'd be interested to read your opinion about this - these muslims clearly consider themselves 'special' and above the rules enforced for everyone else - is this your idea also ?
The men who 'saw this and tried to intervene...' What sort of 'intervention' ? Clearly, from the fact it was park security people who were *hospitalised*, not the sort of intervention that consists of, 'ok,everyone, just calm down, the rules are for *our* safety, after all.'
So, *who* actually blew the situation out of proportion - the park security, the police, or the *muslims* themselves ?
2. You said :
''2nd of all i never said the entire thread was full of bigots, i just stated that I had seen many racist comments''
Actually, what you said was this:
''wow...the bigotry and racism on this page....i serve the great nation as an NCO in the Air Force and to see the blatantly racist comments embarrasses the hell out of me and frankly is a slam and disrespect to my service to this country and to all those who have served this country....i can't believe i protect your rights to speak like this and I cant believe that americans have died protecting your rights to be racist bigots....yes it is true this situation got blown out proportion but it does not warrant racism!!''
Also, this :
''im sorry, since there really isn't a word to describe the discriminatory comments made about the muslim religion....i felt racism was as close as i could get....but hey...nice way to deflect the actual bigotry on this thread!!!''
And this:
''discrimination, prejudice, bigot....pick one....sorry to offend by saying racist (insert sarcasm)....so pick one of the other three....''
Certainly reads to me that you consider the entire thread to be 'full of bigots'.
3. The comments you choose as examples of bigotry:
''bigotry:
obtuse or narrow-minded intolerance, especially of other races or religions'' - my dictionary definition.
i) 'These Muslimas who are always crying modesty and piousness are just as violent and behave like thugs just like Muslim males."'
From reading the post, it's clear it *was* the muslimas who started it, by 'confronting' the park security, and the muslim males then *escalated* the situation. Is this 'bigotry', or just a statement of truth ?
Or are you one of those who regard a truth you don't *like*, as evidence of bigotry ?
ii) "It's our country, so follow our rules or catch the next floating door back to the hellhole they kicked you out of."
Strongly put, perhaps, but again, I see no evidence of 'bigotry' - You don't agree that people are obligated to follow the rules/laws of the country they choose to live in ?
iii) ''What a pen full of pigs." Colourful and descriptive, but again, not untrue - do you not think these people's behaviour was piggish in the extreme ? (pigs have the rep of being greedy, and inconsiderate towards their own species).
iv)''There are well established and proven best practices for handling pig pen populations. I'm not sure they're constitutional in this case, though. That depends on whether one wishes to accord human rights to them.The Moslems, I mean."
Now, this one I *do* agree with you on - unpleasant, and bigoted in the sense of the implication that muslims are undeserving of human rights, because they are muslims.
(v) ''No price is too high to avoid offending savages. After all, multiculturalism, the most prized and sacred of all ideologies, would not be complete without belligerent, supremacist muslims to despoil every nook and cranny of American culture. Nothing is sacred to the alien invaders and they have no shame. "this could be the perfect example of 'the anatomy of deportation'"
Did they not behave like savages ? Famous def: 'a savage is one who laughs when he hurts you, and howls when you hurt him.' I think 'multikulti' is garbage. That's not bigotry, that's my opinion. muslims in this instance, and in many other instances chronicled by JW, *are* belligerent and supremacist - how else would *you* describe this sort of behaviour ?
vi) ''Moslems must either submit to Western law or they must leave Western lands."
What's bigoted about that ? Should muslims be exempt from the laws others obey ?
From your examples, only *one* could be termed, in my opinion, as bigoted.
Indeed, it is the *muslims* who have been shown up as bigots,in that they showed obtuseness, and intolerance, over a rule designed for their own safety.
You said:
''Muslims and Islam have been in this country for decades, this is not something new people, they just didnt show up here in the last ten years.''
No, indeed, and all the more reason they should obey the laws, and not try to get special status.
Also:
''and for those of you who sit here and claim to be good christians, let me remind you, it is not your place to judge and for damn sure not to speak the way you speak of another's religion''
I understood that the right to free speech, even and especially if it offends someone, was enshrined in your Constitution ? Am I wrong on this ?
You also said:
''hmmmm....sounds like the civil rights act that many fought so hard for had just been completely trampled and disrespected.''
If I may:
''A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places. Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. Various jurisdictions have enacted statutes to prevent discrimination based on a person's race, sex, religion, age, previous condition of servitude, physical limitation, national origin, and in some instances sexual orientation.''
Can you please explain in what way you consider these muslims civil rights to have been trampled on ? Or disrespected ? Were they not being treated equally when they were told the rules applied to everyone ? In what way do you consider them to have been disrespected ?
You said:
''oh and lets not forget, stereotyping means grouping together a whole race, religion, ect on the actions of a few....not all muslims act this way and not all muslims are terrorists and jihadist.''
I cannot agree with your assessment of 'the actions of a *few* - there was a *large* contingent of muslims at this park, demanding that the rules be changed in their favour. Equally, if you read JW on a regular basis, you will see that 'muslims behaving badly' is common throughout the islamic world, and increasingly common where there is a growing muslim presence in the West. I would agree, however, that not all muslims are terrorists and jihadists.
You said:
''last but not least....have any of you idiots thought that you do add fuel to the fire for the Muslim extremists....when they see you hatred towards them they only have more ammunition to further tier cause....wake up people,,,dont fuel the fire.''
I find it hard to get my head around this comment - you seem to be saying that we mustn't react to the bad behaviour of muslims because that will make them worse, and conversely, if we *don't* react, that will make muslims give up jihad ? All I can say to that is to suggest you might want to follow the news more closely, and read more JW articles. You may not agree with Mr. Spencer or other contributors, but you cannot fault them for accurate and truthful reporting.
Lastly, you said:
''my experiences while deployed to Iraq and interacting with the people have showed me a much different side of what i "thought" were muslim practices and I can tell you that a lot of what is being posted is a lot of ignorant people who spend their day on google, net surfing "facts" and not actually taking the time out to speak to Muslims who do not share the terrorists view points, because the majority of muslims do not.....very few actually have extreme islamic views''
I, personally, would be very interested in hearing about your experiences whilst in Iraq, and your experiences of 'muslim practices' which you say are totally different from the facts to be gleaned from the Internet, islamic websites, YouTube, Al-Jazeera, books, encyclopaedias, articles, magazines,the pronouncements of myriad imams and muslims, and even the msm. I hope you will come back and share these experiences with Jihad Watchers - I like to learn.
Obviously you either A. cant read or B. interpret thing on how you see fit.....as I said before
'1st of all, i stated in my post that the situation was blow out of proportion. I never said they were right in what they did.''
which means as it is directly stated....I NEVER SAID THEY WERE RIGHT IN WHAT THEY DID, AND THE SITUATION WAS BLOWN OUR OF PROPORTION"... but since you want to right a term paper on throwing my whole statement out of context and somehow twisting it to saying I agree with "them" and also saying that I said everyone was wrong including the "security guards". however the truth of the matter is that I meant what i said exactly how i said it. "they" meaning the muslims, were wrong....my apologies for not specifically spelling it out for you but i assumed a person with common sense would understand the context of such a simple statement.
BTW, thanks for quoting the whole article again...I read it the first time and I can read just fine, but thanks for clarifying everything that I CORRECTLY interpreted EXACTLY what the author was saying. I didnt misinterpret anything about the article and i had no problems with the article. What I had a problem with was the statements in the thread.
as for #2....I was paraphrasing, once again my apologies for not directly quoting myself which I didnt feel i needed to since it was my statement....again common sense would agree to that. Also, i f you had been reading the previous comments to my original comment then you would know that i was responding to the person who commented on my original comment....But I see, once again, you completely through it all out of context and again twisted into something completely different .
This i find to be hilarious since you directly quote me in everything I have said and then you say "Certainly reads to me that you consider the entire thread to be 'full of bigots'." because if i had said this entire thread was full of bigots i would have said that, which you should have quoted me on, but you didnt because i never said that. i said some posts were discriminatory...(paraphrasing, so please dont freak out because i didnt directly quote myself)
now as far as all the things i pulled from the thread as what i felt was discriminatory...i will make this short and sweet....replace muslim with christian, (this is hypothetical, so please do not read to much into it, because this is called an example)....so replace muslim with christian, jew, black, mexican, white....whatever you choose, and then look at it and let see if it doesnt sound discriminatory then....because as a person with an open mind and a non stereotypical attitude, i can see it, but most close minded people cannot.
Now I said before, for those of you who like to pull the free speech card, as I see you have, and i quote
"I understood that the right to free speech, even and especially if it offends someone, was enshrined in your Constitution ? Am I wrong on this ?"
you are right, we are entitled to free speech, Even if it offends someone, but I know, growing up in a good christian home with good Christian values, my mother also taught me not to offend someone and treat others how i would want to be treated. Just because we have the right to be assholes doesnt meant we should. Which brings to me this question...
We have the right to freedom of religion, which is ALSO enshrined in our constitution. AM I WRONG ON THIS?
as much as people would like to say America is a Christian country is completely wrong. Yes the majority of AMericans are christian, but that does not make America a Christian country. Wasnt this country founded on the prospect of having a freedom of religion, and also isnt that why we have separation of church and state....hmmm...or let me guess....we get to pull what we want from the constitution and ONLY agree to what we want to agree with....wow...kinda sounds like how the muslims in this article behaved....they want to pick and choose what laws to abide by. Looks like you and SOME of the others on this post are not to different then the muslims in the article.
And as far as my experience go....are you ready for the shocking thing I am about to say?...brace yourself...ok..here goes...
I spent 6 months with the iraqi's. I lived in their compound, worked with them for 10-12 hrs a day 6 days a week. Now for a culture and religion who treat woman like crap, I felt that the iraqis were not going to take to me and would not take orders from a female american. Well they proved me wrong.They were actually very kind to me, were very cooperative with me.and always did what I asked of them to do. I actually had more respect, trust, and report from the iraqi's then a lot of my male counterparts did. They welcomed me into their homes, I sat with their families and ate wonderful meals with them, they would stand when I walked into a room. They were very generous to me, in fact so generous that I had to refuse gifts and other things because it wasnt professional of me to accept them. This offended them, but after explaining the reason to them they understood. I actually still keep in contact with many of the iraqis that i advised and trained. I would sit with them for hours after work, asking them questions about their religion and culture and many of the things they told me made realize that us Westerners really do not have actual concept of their lives. yes, we get info off the internet and hear the "experts" talk, but the way they live and act is completely different, and until you sit with them and talk to them like human beings and not as a religious concept most people would see that.Now this is just a small example of what i experienced....
Now I agree in other countries, woman are more suppressed, but this s not true for all muslims. Lets nor forget India has the highest population of Muslims and there are many successful, educated woman. But flip to Afghanistan and the woman are not treated well. Matter of fact two of my iraqi doctors were married to iraqi woman doctors themselves.
This is were i say stereotyping comes into play....You see a muslim and you assume they are all a certain way. Its not the religion that dictates their lives, even though it has a big part in it, but it is also their culture and their country.
before 9-11 most people wouldn't really say to much about muslims or sit here and say the things they say about it. Osama bin laden really shed a negative light on the muslim community and now every despised them and their religion. however islamic extremists are a small percentage of the muslim population and we cannot throw all muslims into this group. To be frank, how Americans treat muslims is the same way Americans treated Japanese Americans after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Now that does not make what these specific muslims did at this amusement park right, in fact how they acted was wrong. but there are a lot of other things Americans do to mistreat muslims all the time, but somehow Americans always seem to justify it in one or another allowing this to go on.
I, Melinda Grisby, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, FOREIGN and DOMESTIC; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
This means i will defend the constitution for all AMERICANS regardless of race, religion, and sex. Whether it be in the deserts of Iraq or the mountains if Afghanistan, wether it be at the grocery store or on a blog. i take my duty seriously and have taken it seriously for the last 10 1/2 years and will continue to defend and protect those right until the day die. Which is more than what most of you will ever do!!!